History YMMV / CelticMythology

23rd Jul '16 11:24:19 AM nombretomado
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* MemeticBadass: Cú Chulainn has shown up on BadassOfTheWeek, and his penchant for ridiculous quantities of bloodshed has become a RunningGag on Bettermyths.com (which also claims that he was immune to the Pains of Ulster because he ripped them out of his stomach and beat the crap out of them until they turned into guns. And then he shot the pope. Just 'cause).

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* MemeticBadass: Cú Chulainn has shown up on BadassOfTheWeek, Website/BadassOfTheWeek, and his penchant for ridiculous quantities of bloodshed has become a RunningGag on Bettermyths.com (which also claims that he was immune to the Pains of Ulster because he ripped them out of his stomach and beat the crap out of them until they turned into guns. And then he shot the pope. Just 'cause).
1st Nov '15 1:57:44 AM Blackie62
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** Cuchulainn, period. He accidentally killed his only son, accidentally pissed off the goddess of war just because he was too exhausted after a battle to bother with another strenuous activity, and died a slow and agonizing death. (Still died like a badass though. He tied himself to a standing stone as he was dying because he wanted to die standing up. No-one went near his corpse for ages because they were scared shitless he might still be alive. In the end they only decided it was safe because the birds had started eating him... and then his sword arm ''coincidentally'' fell and decapitated someone who tried to loot his corpse.)

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** Cuchulainn, period. He accidentally killed his only son, accidentally pissed off the goddess of war just because he was too exhausted after a battle to bother with another strenuous activity, and died a slow and agonizing death. (Still (He Still died like a badass though. He tied himself to a standing stone with his intestines as he was dying because he wanted to die standing up. No-one went near his corpse for ages because they were scared shitless he might still be alive. In the end they only decided it was safe because the birds had started eating him... and then his sword arm ''coincidentally'' fell and decapitated someone who tried to loot his corpse.)
24th Oct '15 4:12:16 AM Morgenthaler
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* WhatAnIdiot: For someone whose epithet is "the Wily," Emer's father King Forgall isn't particularly bright. He disapproved of Cuchulainn for some unmentioned reason, so he tried to marry Emer to someone else. Repeat: ''He tried to force '''{{The Chosen One}}'s''' intended bride to marry someone else.'' Luckily, the other "suitors" were too [[GenreSavvy terrified of Cuchulainn's potential retribution]] to accept. On the other hand, he ''still'' locked her up and started guarding against Cuchulainn's return, which resulted in Cu Chullain going on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge to save/elope with Emer.

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* WhatAnIdiot: For someone whose epithet is "the Wily," Emer's father King Forgall isn't particularly bright. He disapproved of Cuchulainn for some unmentioned reason, so he tried to marry Emer to someone else. Repeat: ''He tried to force '''{{The Chosen One}}'s''' intended bride to marry someone else.'' Luckily, the other "suitors" were too [[GenreSavvy terrified of Cuchulainn's potential retribution]] retribution to accept. On the other hand, he ''still'' locked her up and started guarding against Cuchulainn's return, which resulted in Cu Chullain going on a RoaringRampageOfRevenge to save/elope with Emer.
19th Sep '15 11:30:03 PM Fauxlosophe
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* HoYay: Cuchulainn with Ferdia, his childhood friend whom he meets and fights with again in adulthood. Not only do they kiss, they do it three times.
** May be a severe case of Misplaced trope, kissing, especially multiple times on the cheeks or even briefly on the lips is a common form of greeting valued friends acquaintances and relatives right up to the modern day in Europe without any kind of sexual connotations.
** However, any traces of homosexual behaviour were eliminated from known Celtic records after conversion to Christianity, so it could also be a relic of the pre-Christian version.
** Considering the story involved Cuchulainn "piercing Ferdia's ''anus''", it seems to be the case of a barely disguised myth.
** And there ARE a lot of LGBT-oriented rituals that explicitly invoke Cuchulainn and Ferdiad. Whether they work or not, the figures in question certainly don't mind.

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* HoYay: Cuchulainn with The interactions of Cú Chulainn and Ferdia, his childhood friend whom he meets and fights with again in adulthood. Not only do they kiss, they do seem to invoke this at times. It is difficult to tell as if it three times.
** May be a severe
were the case of Misplaced trope, kissing, especially multiple times on that the cheeks or even briefly on the lips is a common form of greeting valued friends acquaintances and relatives right up to the modern day in Europe without two had any kind sort of sexual connotations.
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relationship, later retellings would have downplayed or removed any traces explicit reference as homosexuality as it became taboo (There is little to no reliable record of how Pagan Celts viewed homosexual behaviour were eliminated from known Celtic records after conversion relationships). Though any Neo-Pagans are willing to Christianity, so it could also be a relic of take the pre-Christian version.
** Considering the story involved Cuchulainn "piercing Ferdia's ''anus''", it seems to be the case of a barely disguised myth.
** And there ARE a lot of LGBT-oriented rituals that explicitly invoke Cuchulainn
subtext and Ferdiad. Whether they work or not, the figures in question certainly don't mind.run with it.



* MemeticBadass: Cu Chulainn has shown up on BadassOfTheWeek, and his penchant for ridiculous quantities of bloodshed has become a RunningGag on Bettermyths.com (which also claims that he was immune to the Pains of Ulster because he ripped them out of his stomach and beat the crap out of them until they turned into guns. And then he shot the pope. Just 'cause).

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* MemeticBadass: Cu Chulainn has shown up on BadassOfTheWeek, and his penchant for ridiculous quantities of bloodshed has become a RunningGag on Bettermyths.com (which also claims that he was immune to the Pains of Ulster because he ripped them out of his stomach and beat the crap out of them until they turned into guns. And then he shot the pope. Just 'cause).



** In "The Wasting Sickness of Cu Chulainn." Cu Chulainn spends a year bedridden from [[YourMindMakesItReal nightmares about two women whipping him nonstop]]. When Emer finds out where he's been all this time she heads over to Emain Macha, [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan shakes him out of it]], and berates ''the Kings of Ireland'' for not having the balls to help, all the while complaining that she has spent a full year without her husband's company.
** When Emer finds out that Cuchulainn is sleeping with some random sidhe girl called Fand, she marches over with a knife to cut a bitch. What does Fand, this supposedly superior-in-all-ways woman, do? ''[[DamselInDistress Stand there and cry.]]'' Meanwhile, Emer starts ''challenging Cuchulainn to a fight''--if he wins he can leave her for Fand, and if SHE wins he stays with Emer. Does Emer care that Cuchulainn [[CurbStompBattle outclasses her]] and doesn't want to put his own wife in horrible danger? No. In fact, she ''[[RefugeInAudacity calls him a pussy]]'' for being afraid to answer a woman's challenge.
* NightmareFuel: The Irish hero Cú Chullain is a scary guy at the best of times, but his ''rístrad'' (a [[UnstoppableRage battle madness]] taking the form of some sort of convulsion brought about in moments of extreme indignation) is another matter (see [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cu_chulainn#The_Cattle_Raid_of_Cooley this description]]). Anyone watching this would no doubt have so pretty nasty nightmares - providing Cú Chullain doesn't kill them before they have a chance to get to sleep again.

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** In "The Wasting Sickness of Cu Chulainn." Cu Chulainn spends a year bedridden from [[YourMindMakesItReal nightmares about two women whipping him nonstop]]. When Emer finds out where he's been all this time she heads over to Emain Macha, [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan shakes him out of it]], and berates ''the Kings of Ireland'' for not having the balls to help, all the while complaining that she has spent a full year without her husband's company.
** When Emer finds out that Cuchulainn Cú chulainn is sleeping with some random sidhe sídhe girl called Fand, she marches over with a knife to cut a bitch. What does Fand, this supposedly superior-in-all-ways woman, do? ''[[DamselInDistress Stand there and cry.]]'' Meanwhile, Emer starts ''challenging Cuchulainn Cú Chulainn to a fight''--if he wins he can leave her for Fand, and if SHE wins he stays with Emer. Does Emer care that Cuchulainn Cú Chulainn [[CurbStompBattle outclasses her]] and doesn't want to put his own wife in horrible danger? No. In fact, she ''[[RefugeInAudacity calls him a pussy]]'' for being afraid to answer a woman's challenge.
* NightmareFuel: The Irish hero Cú Chullain Chullainn is a scary guy at the best of times, but his ''rístrad'' (a [[UnstoppableRage battle madness]] taking the form of some sort of convulsion brought about in moments of extreme indignation) is another matter (see [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cu_chulainn#The_Cattle_Raid_of_Cooley this description]]). Anyone watching this would no doubt have so pretty nasty nightmares - providing Cú Chullain Chulainn doesn't kill them before they have a chance to get to sleep again.


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** One account of the Fianna claims that a young Arthur was in such envy of the Fianna's hounds that he sailed to Ireland in hopes to stealing them, only for Finn to send out 9 of his trusted warriors to hunt him down (Including his son Oisín). The nine of them managed to ambush and slaughter 27 of Arthur's Knights. Arthur himself was spared only by the intervention of Oscar/Osgar, Finn's grandson and afterwards Arthur left for Britain as an grateful ally and friend to the Fianna.
***Even though he was suddenly aged two hundred years on his return to Ireland, Oisín still managed to toss a boulder up a hill with ease. In general, the Fianna seem to be almost superhuman in some accounts; Aside from their skills in battle, accounts of their meeting with Saint Patrick often remark that even in old age, they towered over the average Irish peasant of the day. Further, in some accounts, Caoilte as long as Oisín without the aid of fairy magic, living two hundred years for no reason other than that Old Age was afraid to take him.
14th Sep '15 5:48:44 PM AlleyOop
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** May be a severe case of Misplaced trope, kissing, especially multiple times on the cheeks or even briefly on the lips is a common form of greeting valued friends acquaintances and relatives right up to the modern day in Europe without any kind of sexual connotations. Especially given the Rest of Cu Chulainn's sexual proclivities. ([[SarcasmMode Because bisexuality doesn't exist.]])[[note]]imbecile[[/note]]

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** May be a severe case of Misplaced trope, kissing, especially multiple times on the cheeks or even briefly on the lips is a common form of greeting valued friends acquaintances and relatives right up to the modern day in Europe without any kind of sexual connotations. Especially given the Rest of Cu Chulainn's sexual proclivities. ([[SarcasmMode Because bisexuality doesn't exist.]])[[note]]imbecile[[/note]]
26th Mar '15 3:38:24 AM jormis29
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* MagnificentBastard: Lugh, thought by some myth-tracers to share a concept-God with Loki of NorseMythology. The key difference here being that the Celts didn't have anything against tricksters and so Lugh spends his life a badass rather than being tortured.

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* MagnificentBastard: Lugh, thought by some myth-tracers to share a concept-God with Loki of NorseMythology.Myth/NorseMythology. The key difference here being that the Celts didn't have anything against tricksters and so Lugh spends his life a badass rather than being tortured.
4th Jan '15 5:52:34 PM Naiant
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** Cuchulainn, period. He accidentally killed his only son, accidentally pissed off the goddess of war just because he was too exhausted after a battle to bother with another strenuous activity, and died a slow and agonizing death. (Still died like a badass though. He tied himself to a tree as he was dying because he wanted to die standing up. No-one went near his corpse for ages because they were scared shitless he might still be alive. In the end they only decided it was safe because the birds had started eating him... and then his sword arm ''coincidentally'' fell and decapitated someone who tried to loot his corpse.)

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** Cuchulainn, period. He accidentally killed his only son, accidentally pissed off the goddess of war just because he was too exhausted after a battle to bother with another strenuous activity, and died a slow and agonizing death. (Still died like a badass though. He tied himself to a tree standing stone as he was dying because he wanted to die standing up. No-one went near his corpse for ages because they were scared shitless he might still be alive. In the end they only decided it was safe because the birds had started eating him... and then his sword arm ''coincidentally'' fell and decapitated someone who tried to loot his corpse.)
19th Nov '14 3:34:13 AM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: There are a couple for Taliesin's past self in his origin story. Cerridwen was brewing the potion of Awen (Knowledge or Inspriration depending on the translator) for her son [[TheGrotesque Morfran]], who was so ugly he could never leave the house, with the intention being that people would look past that if he was [[HiddenDepths smart]]. And then Gwion Bach steals it after all that effort (albeit accidentally) and goes on to not only become a folk hero with no repercussions but also get reincarnated as someone ungodly beautiful, while Cerridwen and her son are [[ChuckCunninghamSyndrome never mentioned in his story ever again]].
** It wings all the way around to a double example when Morfran's only mentioned 'ugly' feature was his jet black skin. Which is probably coincidental, given how unlikely it is anyone involved had ever so much as seen an African, but still.
19th Oct '14 8:03:28 AM Angeldeb82
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* CreepyAwesome: Cu Chulainn
* CrowningMomentOfAwesome:
** In "The Wasting Sickness of Cu Chulainn." Cu Chulainn spends a year bedridden from [[YourMindMakesItReal nightmares about two women whipping him nonstop]]. When Emer finds out where he's been all this time she heads over to Emain Macha, [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan shakes him out of it]], and berates ''the Kings of Ireland'' for not having the balls to help, all the while complaining that she has spent a full year without her husband's company.
** When Emer finds out that Cuchulainn is sleeping with some random sidhe girl called Fand, she marches over with a knife to cut a bitch. What does Fand, this supposedly superior-in-all-ways woman, do? ''[[DistressedDamsel Stand there and cry]]''. Meanwhile, Emer starts ''challenging Cuchulainn to a fight''--if he wins he can leave her for Fand, and if SHE wins he stays with Emer. Does Emer care that Cuchulainn [[CurbStompBattle outclasses her]] and doesn't want to put his own wife in horrible danger? No. In fact, she ''[[RefugeInAudacity calls him a pussy]]'' for being afraid to answer a woman's challenge.
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming:
** When Math ap Mathonwy saw Goewin crying about having to leave him after [[MoralEventHorizon being raped by Gwidion]], he decides to [[HappilyMarried marry her]] so [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome no one will dare speak ill of her for it without having to answer to him]].

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* CreepyAwesome: Cu Chulainn
Chulainn.
* CrowningMomentOfAwesome:
** In "The Wasting Sickness of Cu Chulainn." Cu Chulainn spends a year bedridden from [[YourMindMakesItReal nightmares about two women whipping him nonstop]]. When Emer finds out where he's been all this time she heads over to Emain Macha, [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan shakes him out of it]], and berates ''the Kings of Ireland'' for not having the balls to help, all the while complaining that she has spent a full year without her husband's company.
** When Emer finds out that Cuchulainn is sleeping with some random sidhe girl called Fand, she marches over with a knife to cut a bitch. What does Fand, this supposedly superior-in-all-ways woman, do? ''[[DistressedDamsel Stand there and cry]]''. Meanwhile, Emer starts ''challenging Cuchulainn to a fight''--if he wins he can leave her for Fand, and if SHE wins he stays with Emer. Does Emer care that Cuchulainn [[CurbStompBattle outclasses her]] and doesn't want to put his own wife in horrible danger? No. In fact, she ''[[RefugeInAudacity calls him a pussy]]'' for being afraid to answer a woman's challenge.
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming:
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** When Math ap Mathonwy saw Goewin crying about having to leave him after [[MoralEventHorizon being raped by Gwidion]], he decides to [[HappilyMarried marry her]] so [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome no one will dare speak ill of her for it without having to answer to him]].



** May be a severe case of Misplaced trope, kissing, especially multiple times on the cheeks or even briefly on the lips is a common form of greeting valued friends acquaintances and relatives right up to the modern day in Europe without any kind of sexual connotations. Especially given the Rest of Cu Chulainn's sexual proclivities ([[SarcasmMode Because bisexuality doesn't exist]])[[note]]imbecile[[/note]].

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** May be a severe case of Misplaced trope, kissing, especially multiple times on the cheeks or even briefly on the lips is a common form of greeting valued friends acquaintances and relatives right up to the modern day in Europe without any kind of sexual connotations. Especially given the Rest of Cu Chulainn's sexual proclivities proclivities. ([[SarcasmMode Because bisexuality doesn't exist]])[[note]]imbecile[[/note]]. exist.]])[[note]]imbecile[[/note]]


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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome:
** In "The Wasting Sickness of Cu Chulainn." Cu Chulainn spends a year bedridden from [[YourMindMakesItReal nightmares about two women whipping him nonstop]]. When Emer finds out where he's been all this time she heads over to Emain Macha, [[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan shakes him out of it]], and berates ''the Kings of Ireland'' for not having the balls to help, all the while complaining that she has spent a full year without her husband's company.
** When Emer finds out that Cuchulainn is sleeping with some random sidhe girl called Fand, she marches over with a knife to cut a bitch. What does Fand, this supposedly superior-in-all-ways woman, do? ''[[DamselInDistress Stand there and cry.]]'' Meanwhile, Emer starts ''challenging Cuchulainn to a fight''--if he wins he can leave her for Fand, and if SHE wins he stays with Emer. Does Emer care that Cuchulainn [[CurbStompBattle outclasses her]] and doesn't want to put his own wife in horrible danger? No. In fact, she ''[[RefugeInAudacity calls him a pussy]]'' for being afraid to answer a woman's challenge.
28th Sep '13 2:08:09 PM Sharysa
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** The Fate of the Children of Lir, and the story of Enya. Distinctly depressing takes on Christian conversion.

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** The Fate of the Children of Lir, and the story of Enya. Distinctly Enya, Aengus' foster-daughter in "The House of the Two Pails." A notably depressing takes take on Christian conversion.
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