History YMMV / Casablanca

8th Dec '17 9:46:43 AM DocWildNole
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* IdiotPlot: A huge deal of needless drama could’ve been solved had Rick had the good sense to talk to Ilsa like an adult about why she’d left.

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* IdiotPlot: A huge deal of needless drama could’ve been solved had Rick had the good sense to talk to Ilsa like an adult about why she’d left.left, or at least the good sense to stay sober enough to listen.
8th Dec '17 9:44:41 AM DocWildNole
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** "[[{{Irony}} It's December 1941 and all of America is asleep...]]" From the date on the marker Rick signs at the very beginning, the movie runs from December 2 to December 5, and given that all goes well, Victor will arrive in the US on [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII December 7, 1941]], just in time for America to "wake up".
** Victor's defiant line "Even Nazis can't kill that fast." This was written before the general public knew at the time of the millions of Jews in Nazi concentration camps being killed at an unprecedented speed via methods like gas chambers.

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** "[[{{Irony}} It's December 1941 and I bet they're asleep all of America is asleep...over America.]]" From the date on the marker Rick signs at the very beginning, the movie runs from December 2 to December 5, and given that all goes well, Victor will arrive in the US on [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII December 7, 1941]], just in time for America to "wake up".
** Victor's defiant line "Even Nazis can't kill that fast." This was written before the general public knew at the time of the millions of Jews in Nazi concentration camps being killed at an unprecedented speed via methods like gas chambers.



** Along with a touch of FairForItsDay -- Rick clearly respects Sam, and it's heavily implied that Sam stays with Rick out of genuine concern for Rick rather than money or foolish loyalty.



*** Then again, he ''is'' on staff along with the others. Arguably lampshaded near the beginning of the film in the scene where Ferrari tried to "buy" Sam; Rick responded with "I'm not in the business of selling people".

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*** Then again, he ''is'' on staff along with the others.others named in the scene -- Abdul (bouncer for casino) Sasha (bartender) and Karl (cafe manager & bookkeeper). Arguably lampshaded near the beginning of the film in the scene where Ferrari tried to "buy" Sam; Rick responded with "I'm not in the business of selling people".
26th Nov '17 3:35:05 PM dsneybuf
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* ItWasHisSled: The plane scene and "We'll always have Paris" is... uh... kinda obvious. It's even the iconic scene shown at Disney's Hollywood Studios for its famous movies tour.

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* ItWasHisSled: The plane scene and "We'll always have Paris" is... uh... kinda obvious. It's It was even the iconic scene shown at Disney's Hollywood Studios for its famous movies tour.Studios' Ride/TheGreatMovieRide.
15th Nov '17 8:49:51 PM danlansdowne
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*** Then again, he ''is'' on staff along with the others. Arguably lampshaded near the beginning of the film in the scene where Ferrari tried to "buy" Sam; Rick responded with "I'm not in the business of selling people".
5th Nov '17 3:00:13 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** The "La Marseillaise" scene becomes even more brilliant if you know that "Die Wacht am Rhein", the song the German officers were singing, had origins rooted in the historical French-German enmity.
28th Oct '17 10:35:53 PM vifetoile
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** Ilsa. The classic interpretation is that Ilsa is truly helpless to her feelings for Rick, and his words to Victor are a noble gesture to put his romantic rival's mind at ease and make sure they'll be happy together. However, Ilsa tries everything from reason to begging to threatening Rick with death in order to get those papers for Victor before she kisses him and finally melts his reserve. And remember, this woman has been sticking with Victor through some truly hairy situations, the willing and loyal accomplice to the most wanted spy in Nazi-occupied territories. Whatever feelings she may still have for Rick, it's no stretch to imagine that she's faking that helpless damsel act, and willing stay with Rick if it that's her only means of getting her husband to safety once and for all.

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** Ilsa. The classic interpretation is that Ilsa is truly helpless to her feelings for Rick, and his words to Victor are a noble gesture to put his romantic rival's mind at ease and make sure they'll be happy together. However, Ilsa tries everything from reason to begging to threatening Rick with death in order to get those papers for Victor before she kisses him and finally melts his reserve. And remember, this woman has been sticking with Victor through some truly hairy situations, the willing and loyal accomplice to the most wanted spy in Nazi-occupied territories. Whatever feelings she may still have for Rick, it's no stretch to imagine that she's faking that helpless damsel act, and willing to stay with Rick if it that's her only means of getting her husband to safety once and for all.
10th Sep '17 7:05:57 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** This might also have been an in-joke on Warner Brothers' part--the previous year, Bogart had been playing a New York gangster fighting a group of Nazis led by Veidt in ''All Through The Night.''

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** This might also have been an in-joke on Warner Brothers' part--the previous year, Bogart had been playing a New York gangster fighting a group of Nazis led by Veidt in ''All Through The Night.''Film/AllThroughTheNight.''
17th Jul '17 10:19:58 AM ClintEastwood
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** Ebert would later amend his view slightly, stating in his 2007 review of Film/TheAssassinationOfJesseJamesByTheCowardRobertFord that he thinks Renault [[BiTheWay "plays for both teams"]].

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** Ebert would later amend his view slightly, stating in his 2007 review of Film/TheAssassinationOfJesseJamesByTheCowardRobertFord ''Film/TheAssassinationOfJesseJamesByTheCowardRobertFord'' that he thinks Renault [[BiTheWay "plays for both teams"]].
17th Jul '17 10:18:47 AM ClintEastwood
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* AwardSnub: Considering the movie did win Best Picture and Best Director awards, it's not a major complaint. But Creator/HumphreyBogart - playing the iconic role of Rick - lost out Best Actor to Paul Lukas for ''Film/WatchOnTheRhine'', Creator/ClaudeRaines lost Best Supporting Actor to Charles Coburn for ''Film/TheMoreTheMerrier'', and Creator/IngridBergman wasn't even nominated for Best Actress (instead being cited for her work in ''For Whom the Bell Tolls'').

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* AwardSnub: Considering the movie did win Best Picture and Best Director awards, it's not a major complaint. But Creator/HumphreyBogart - playing the iconic role of Rick - lost out Best Actor to Paul Lukas for ''Film/WatchOnTheRhine'', Creator/ClaudeRaines Creator/ClaudeRains lost Best Supporting Actor to Charles Coburn for ''Film/TheMoreTheMerrier'', and Creator/IngridBergman wasn't even nominated for Best Actress (instead being cited for her work in ''For Whom the Bell Tolls'').
8th Jul '17 2:29:06 PM ading
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* TrueNeutral: Captain Renault seems to be having just as much fun when he's collaborating with the Nazis as when he's resisting them. He even flat-out says at one point that he "blows with the wind."



** Even back in the day, Renauld's use of the ScarpiaUltimatum was supposed to come across as scummy and rotten. But given his charming, likable demeanour and [[spoiler: apparently sincere HeelFaceTurn by the end of the film]], it's apparent that nearly a century's worth of civil rights and feminism have made it ''even more scummy than that''.

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** Even back in the day, Renauld's Renault's use of the ScarpiaUltimatum was supposed to come across as scummy and rotten. But given his charming, likable demeanour and [[spoiler: apparently sincere HeelFaceTurn by the end of the film]], it's apparent that nearly a century's worth of civil rights and feminism have made it ''even more scummy than that''.
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