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Freudian excuse doesn’t make sense here.
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** Carmen can be either seen as a strong, independent and willed woman or a mindless hedonistic bimbo led by her hormones, depending on viewer. There's also the circumstances regarding the story: is Carmen really in love with Don José or Escamillo? Does her leaving Don José provoke his jealousy, or does his jealousy [[FreudianExcuse provoke her leaving him]]?
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** Carmen can be either seen as a strong, independent and willed woman or a mindless hedonistic bimbo led by her hormones, depending on viewer. There's also the circumstances regarding the story: is Carmen really in love with Don José or Escamillo? Does her leaving Don José provoke his jealousy, or does his jealousy [[FreudianExcuse provoke her leaving him]]?him?
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* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler: Carmen is murdered by her ex-boyfriend]].
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* ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler: Carmen [[spoiler:Carmen is murdered by her ex-boyfriend]].
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* SignatureSong: "Habanera" and "Toreador Song"
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* SignatureSong: "Habanera" and "Toreador Song"Song".
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Don José. He is tragic, yes, but he's still responsible for his own actions due to his own jealousy and possessiveness. Yet many productions of the opera seem to expect viewers to blame Carmen for everything he does and treats him like a hapless victim rather than his own person. Cristiano Chariot, who oversaw the 2018 Florence production, was concerned that Don José's killing of Carmen would lead to real-life {{Crazy Jealous Guy}}s to commit similar crimes, which influenced his own take on it.
* ValuesDissonance: Carmen's portrayal as a HotGypsyWoman, FemmeFatale, and [[RoguishRomani criminal]] draws on a lot of old racist stereotypes of Romani women, and at least a few modern productions try to make Carmen [[FreudianExcuse more sympathetic]] and less stereotypical. But at the time it was written, even depicting Roma in the opera was controversial.
* ValuesDissonance: Carmen's portrayal as a HotGypsyWoman, FemmeFatale, and [[RoguishRomani criminal]] draws on a lot of old racist stereotypes of Romani women, and at least a few modern productions try to make Carmen [[FreudianExcuse more sympathetic]] and less stereotypical. But at the time it was written, even depicting Roma in the opera was controversial.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Don José. He is tragic, yes, but he's still responsible for his own actions due to his own jealousy and possessiveness. Yet Yet, many productions of the opera seem to expect viewers to blame Carmen for everything he does and treats him like a hapless victim rather than his own person. Cristiano Chariot, who oversaw the 2018 Florence production, was concerned that Don José's killing of Carmen would lead to real-life {{Crazy Jealous Guy}}s to commit similar crimes, which influenced his own take on it.
* ValuesDissonance: Carmen's portrayal as a HotGypsyWoman, FemmeFatale, and [[RoguishRomani criminal]] draws on a lot of old racist stereotypes of Romani women, and at least a few modern productions try to make Carmen [[FreudianExcuse more sympathetic]] and less stereotypical. But at the time it was written, [[FairForItsDay even depicting Roma in the opera wascontroversial.controversial]].
* ValuesDissonance: Carmen's portrayal as a HotGypsyWoman, FemmeFatale, and [[RoguishRomani criminal]] draws on a lot of old racist stereotypes of Romani women, and at least a few modern productions try to make Carmen [[FreudianExcuse more sympathetic]] and less stereotypical. But at the time it was written, [[FairForItsDay even depicting Roma in the opera was
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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: The final-act duet between Carmen and Don José, during which Carmen [[DefiantToTheEnd stands up to]] [[CrazyJealousGuy Don José]] -- even after [[YouCantFightFate she knows that he will most likely]] [[IfICantHaveYou kill her if she doesn't leave]] [[BadassBaritone Escamillo]] for him. In other words, she leaves him for Escamillo and refuses to let Don José take her back simply BecauseDestinySaysSo.
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* SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome: The final-act duet between Carmen and Don José, during which Carmen [[DefiantToTheEnd stands up to]] [[CrazyJealousGuy Don José]] -- even after [[YouCantFightFate she knows that he will most likely]] [[IfICantHaveYou kill her if she doesn't leave]] [[BadassBaritone leave Escamillo]] for him. In other words, she leaves him for Escamillo and refuses to let Don José take her back simply BecauseDestinySaysSo.
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The story has enough room for a more negative interpretation of the character, so it may make more sense to say that "traditional" productions expect us to side with him.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Don José. He is tragic, yes, but he's still responsible for his own actions due to his own jealousy and possessiveness. Yet the story seems to expect viewers to blame Carmen for everything he does and treats him like a hapless victim rather than his own person. Cristiano Chariot, who oversaw the 2018 Florence production, was concerned that Don José's killing of Carmen would lead to real-life {{Crazy Jealous Guy}}s to commit similar crimes, which influenced his own take on it.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Don José. He is tragic, yes, but he's still responsible for his own actions due to his own jealousy and possessiveness. Yet many productions of the story seems opera seem to expect viewers to blame Carmen for everything he does and treats him like a hapless victim rather than his own person. Cristiano Chariot, who oversaw the 2018 Florence production, was concerned that Don José's killing of Carmen would lead to real-life {{Crazy Jealous Guy}}s to commit similar crimes, which influenced his own take on it.
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*ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler: Carmen is murdered by her ex-boyfriend]].
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*UnintentionallySympathetic: Due to the fact that she ReallyGetsAround, Carmen is meant to be viewed as a typical RoguishRomani. Nowadays, however, Carmen gains more sympathy points thanks to ValuesDissonance, sympathy for women who suffer DomesticAbuse.
