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Evil Is Sexy TRS; this has become an objective, in-universe trope.
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* EvilIsSexy: Usually the consensus with Kappa, finding him attractive, mostly due to his actor.
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The episode proved divisive on its discussion page
* AssPull: To some viewers, David [[MoralEventHorizon murdering Cliff's family]] in the end seemed uncharacteristically cruel of him considering the episode mostly depicted him as a realistically flawed man consumed by grief rather than a psychopath in the making, not to mention [[AmbiguouslyEvil how terrible of a human being he'd have to be deep down]] to do all of this despite being a family man himself. Those who share this opinion tend to agree the episode only ended [[DownerEnding the way it did]] because it's ''Black Mirror''.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: As discussed on the show's subreddit, some viewers believe another arguably more interesting story direction would've been David using Cliff's replica to [[{{Revenge}} hunt down the cult]] that massacred his family, at the cost of Cliff's time with his family and, more than likely, the replica's physical status. But instead, [[AntiClimaxBoss the cult is arrested shortly after the murders]] and David is instead sent on a downward spiral concluding with him murdering Cliff's family.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: As discussed on the show's subreddit, some viewers believe another arguably more interesting story direction would've been David using Cliff's replica to [[{{Revenge}} hunt down the cult]] that massacred his family, at the cost of Cliff's time with his family and, more than likely, the replica's physical status.integrity. But instead, [[AntiClimaxBoss the cult is arrested shortly after the murders]] and David is instead sent on a downward spiral concluding with him murdering Cliff's family.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While David was already teetering on the horizon by attempting to seduce his coworker's wife away from him and taking advantage of their kindness in the process, he crosses it when he murders his Cliff's family in the end, either out of revenge for Lana rejecting him or to teach Cliff how it feels to be in his position.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While David was already teetering on the horizon by attempting to seduce his coworker's wife away from him and taking advantage of their kindness in the process, he crosses it when he murders his Cliff's family in the end, either out of revenge for Lana rejecting him or to teach Cliff how it feels to be in his position.position.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: As discussed on the show's subreddit, some viewers believe another arguably more interesting story direction would've been David using Cliff's replica to [[{{Revenge}} hunt down the cult]] that massacred his family, at the cost of Cliff's time with his family and, more than likely, the replica's physical status. But instead, [[AntiClimaxBoss the cult is arrested shortly after the murders]] and David is instead sent on a downward spiral concluding with him murdering Cliff's family.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot: As discussed on the show's subreddit, some viewers believe another arguably more interesting story direction would've been David using Cliff's replica to [[{{Revenge}} hunt down the cult]] that massacred his family, at the cost of Cliff's time with his family and, more than likely, the replica's physical status. But instead, [[AntiClimaxBoss the cult is arrested shortly after the murders]] and David is instead sent on a downward spiral concluding with him murdering Cliff's family.
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** While Cliff isn’t a great person, Imagine being in his position. Your friend and coworker ended up losing his family and unable to even go back to Earth, so you give him a chance to go back to Earth, and he starts abusing that gratitude to try and hook up with your wife, and when you start to work on your relationship, your friends murders your family, and you are now stuck with your families killer, unable to kill him or do anything as vengeance.
** David himself. He was forced to witness a hippie cult butcher his family and was unable to attend their funeral because he was moored in space and unable to return home for four years. Not only that, but with his replica destroyed, the only way he could be temporarily relieved of boredom and loneliness is by using Cliff's replica... That said, none of this justifies his actions, particularly at the end of the episode.
** David himself. He was forced to witness a hippie cult butcher his family and was unable to attend their funeral because he was moored in space and unable to return home for four years. Not only that, but with his replica destroyed, the only way he could be temporarily relieved of boredom and loneliness is by using Cliff's replica... That said, none of this justifies his actions, particularly at the end of the episode.
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** While Cliff isn’t a great person, Imagine imagine being in his position. Your friend and coworker ended up losing his family and unable to even go back to Earth, so you give him a chance to go back to Earth, and he starts abusing that gratitude to try and hook up with your wife, and when you start to work on your relationship, your friends friend murders your family, and you are now stuck with your families family's killer, unable to kill him or do anything as vengeance.
** David himself. He was forced to witness a hippie cult butcher his family and was unable to attend their funeral because he was moored in space and unable to return home for four years. Not only that, but with his replica destroyed, the only way he could be temporarily relieved of boredom and lonelinessis was by using Cliff's replica... That said, none of this justifies his actions, particularly at the end of the episode.
** David himself. He was forced to witness a hippie cult butcher his family and was unable to attend their funeral because he was moored in space and unable to return home for four years. Not only that, but with his replica destroyed, the only way he could be temporarily relieved of boredom and loneliness
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** While Cliff isn’t a great person, Imagine being in his position. Your friend and coworker ended up losing his family and unable to even go back to Earth, so you give him a chance to go back to Earth, and he start abusing r that gratitude to try and hook up with your wife, and when you start to work on your relationship, your friends murders your family, and you are now stuck with your families killer, unable to kill him or do anything as vengeance.
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** While Cliff isn’t a great person, Imagine being in his position. Your friend and coworker ended up losing his family and unable to even go back to Earth, so you give him a chance to go back to Earth, and he start starts abusing r that gratitude to try and hook up with your wife, and when you start to work on your relationship, your friends murders your family, and you are now stuck with your families killer, unable to kill him or do anything as vengeance.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While he was already teetering on the horizon by attempting to seduce his coworker's wife away from him and taking advantage of their kindness in the process, he crosses it when he murders his Cliff's family in the end, either out of revenge for Lana rejecting him or to teach Cliff how it feels to be in his position.
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* MoralEventHorizon: While he David was already teetering on the horizon by attempting to seduce his coworker's wife away from him and taking advantage of their kindness in the process, he crosses it when he murders his Cliff's family in the end, either out of revenge for Lana rejecting him or to teach Cliff how it feels to be in his position.
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* TheWoobie: Imagine being in Cliff’s position. Your friend and Co-Worker ended up losing his family and unable to even go back to Earth, so you give him a chance to go back to Earth, and he start abusing r that gratitude to try and hook up with your wife, and when you start to work on your relationship, your friends murders your family, and you are now stuck with your families killer, unable to kill him or do anything as vengeance.
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* TheWoobie: JerkassWoobie:
** While Cliff isn’t a great person, Imagine being inCliff’s his position. Your friend and Co-Worker coworker ended up losing his family and unable to even go back to Earth, so you give him a chance to go back to Earth, and he start abusing r that gratitude to try and hook up with your wife, and when you start to work on your relationship, your friends murders your family, and you are now stuck with your families killer, unable to kill him or do anything as vengeance.vengeance.
** David himself. He was forced to witness a hippie cult butcher his family and was unable to attend their funeral because he was moored in space and unable to return home for four years. Not only that, but with his replica destroyed, the only way he could be temporarily relieved of boredom and loneliness is by using Cliff's replica... That said, none of this justifies his actions, particularly at the end of the episode.
* MoralEventHorizon: While he was already teetering on the horizon by attempting to seduce his coworker's wife away from him and taking advantage of their kindness in the process, he crosses it when he murders his Cliff's family in the end, either out of revenge for Lana rejecting him or to teach Cliff how it feels to be in his position.
** While Cliff isn’t a great person, Imagine being in
** David himself. He was forced to witness a hippie cult butcher his family and was unable to attend their funeral because he was moored in space and unable to return home for four years. Not only that, but with his replica destroyed, the only way he could be temporarily relieved of boredom and loneliness is by using Cliff's replica... That said, none of this justifies his actions, particularly at the end of the episode.
* MoralEventHorizon: While he was already teetering on the horizon by attempting to seduce his coworker's wife away from him and taking advantage of their kindness in the process, he crosses it when he murders his Cliff's family in the end, either out of revenge for Lana rejecting him or to teach Cliff how it feels to be in his position.
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* TheWoobie: Imagine being in Cliff’s position. Your friend and Co-Worker ended up losing his family and unable to even go back to Earth, so you give him a chance to go back to Earth, and he start abusing r that gratitude to try and hook up with your wife, and when you start to work on your relationship, your friends murders your family, and you are now stuck with your families killer, unable to kill him or do anything as vengeance.
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* TheWoobie: Imagine being in Cliff’s position. Your friend and Co-Worker ended up losing his family and unable to even go back to Earth, so you give him a chance to go back to Earth, and he start abusing r that gratitude to try and hook up with your wife, and when you start to work on your relationship, your friends murders your family, and you are now stuck with your families killer, unable to kill him or do anything as vengeance.vengeance.
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AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While it barely changes things, did David kill Lana and her son because of her rejection of him? Was it, in his mind, a way of proving that Cliff was “ungrateful” for his family? Was it just to get back at Cliff for having everything that David lost? Or perhaps some mixture of all three?
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While it barely changes things, did David kill Lana and her son because of her rejection of him? Was it, in his mind, a way of proving that Cliff was “ungrateful” for his family? Was it just to get back at Cliff for having everything that David lost? Or perhaps some mixture of all three?
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AlternateCharacterInterpretation: While it barely changes things, did David kill Lana and her son because of her rejection of him? Was it, in his mind, a way of proving that Cliff was “ungrateful” for his family? Was it just to get back at Cliff for having everything that David lost? Or perhaps some mixture of all three?
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* EvilIsSexy: Usually the consensus with Kappa, finding him attractive, mostly due to his actor.
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* TheWoobie: Imagine being in Cliff’s position. Your friend and Co-Worker ended up losing his family and unable to even go back to Earth, so you give him a chance to go back to Earth, and he start abusing r that gratitude to try and hook up with your wife, and when you start to work on your relationship, your friends murders your family, and you are now stuck with your families killer, unable to kill him or do anything as vengeance.
