History YMMV / Ben10UltimateAlien

17th Oct '17 3:04:34 PM Isaac_Heller
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** Also, many people feel that Charmcaster's FaceHeelTurn in "Enemy of My Frenemy" was unnecessary or poorly written, and worse, she's left stuck in the HeelFaceRevolvingDoor afterwards and her storyline is then left unconcluded by the end of the series, and [[AuthorExistenceFailure all things considered, it might never BE concluded]].

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** Also, many people feel that Charmcaster's FaceHeelTurn in "Enemy of My Frenemy" was unnecessary or poorly written, and worse, she's left stuck in the HeelFaceRevolvingDoor afterwards and her storyline is then left unconcluded by the end of the series, series. [[spoiler: While ''Omniverse'' did continue it with Charmcaster being less depressed and [[AuthorExistenceFailure all things considered, steered her into a more positive direction at the end, it might never BE concluded]].needed to apply BroadStrokes retcons to it in order to do so.]]
6th Oct '17 10:35:15 PM Galaxithea
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* NightmareFuel:
**Surprisingly, Ultimate Echo Echo can come across as this. His "Sonic Doom" attack - in which his sonic discs duplicate to surround an enemy and trap them in a chamber of intense sound waves - is the only one of Ben's attacks specifically designed to '''kill''' someone. His [[ComputerVoice cold, emotionless robot voice]] doesn't help either.
---> '''Gwen (referring to her plan to [[spoiler: return Ultimate Kevin back to normal instead of killing him]])''': "Ben, you promised we'd try it my way first!"
---> '''Ultimate Echo Echo''': "Yeah... ''[[ILied I lied.]]''" *pushes Gwen away*
6th Sep '17 7:29:32 AM Larkmarn
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* CompleteMonster:
** Vilgax becomes the herald for [[EldritchAbomination Diagon]] before betraying and killing his master and stealing his power, hoping to use it to mind control all life in the universe.
** Aggregor is an Osmonian warlord who was wantonly murderous in his quest to achieve omnipotence. Aggregor killed aliens by absorbing their energy and matter to gain their powers. Generally this caused his victims to turn into desiccated husks, but for his plans to become powerful enough to reassemble the Map of Infinity, he turned five aliens into energy and absorbed them into himself. Aggregor killed Magister Prior Gilhil by stabbing him in the back, killed two other Plumbers by sucking them into space, and absorbed the life and powers of a pacifistic alien [[ForTheEvulz just because he could]]. His two most vile crimes, however, were when he nearly destroyed an entire inhabited world by stealing a component from the device that kept the planet from breaking apart, and when he tried to [[WouldHurtAChild kill and absorb a baby alien]] capable of {{Reality Warp}}ing to complete his [[AGodAmI ascension into godhood]].

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* CompleteMonster:
** Vilgax becomes the herald for [[EldritchAbomination Diagon]] before betraying and killing his master and stealing his power, hoping to use it to mind control all life in the universe.
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CompleteMonster: Aggregor is an Osmonian warlord who was wantonly murderous in his quest to achieve omnipotence. Aggregor killed aliens by absorbing their energy and matter to gain their powers. Generally this caused his victims to turn into desiccated husks, but for his plans to become powerful enough to reassemble the Map of Infinity, he turned five aliens into energy and absorbed them into himself. Aggregor killed Magister Prior Gilhil by stabbing him in the back, killed two other Plumbers by sucking them into space, and absorbed the life and powers of a pacifistic alien [[ForTheEvulz just because he could]]. His two most vile crimes, however, were when he nearly destroyed an entire inhabited world by stealing a component from the device that kept the planet from breaking apart, and when he tried to [[WouldHurtAChild kill and absorb a baby alien]] capable of {{Reality Warp}}ing to complete his [[AGodAmI ascension into godhood]].
31st Aug '17 8:07:31 AM SeptimusHeap
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** In the episode "Revenge of the Swarm", Ben and the others find out from a janitor that Elena's father had died. Kevin asks if he's telling the truth, the janitor replies "Anyone can die anytime". Wouldn't you know around the same time the episode aired [[spoiler: DwayneMcDuffie passed away]]?

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** In the episode "Revenge of the Swarm", Ben and the others find out from a janitor that Elena's father had died. Kevin asks if he's telling the truth, the janitor replies "Anyone can die anytime". Wouldn't you know around the same time the episode aired [[spoiler: DwayneMcDuffie Creator/DwayneMcDuffie passed away]]?
28th Aug '17 8:36:39 AM HarmoniousPussy
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* CompleteMonster: Aggregor is an Osmonian warlord who was wantonly murderous in his quest to achieve omnipotence. Aggregor killed aliens by absorbing their energy and matter to gain their powers. Generally this caused his victims to turn into desiccated husks, but for his plans to become powerful enough to reassemble the Map of Infinity, he turned five aliens into energy and absorbed them into himself. Aggregor killed Magister Prior Gilhil by stabbing him in the back, killed two other Plumbers by sucking them into space, and absorbed the life and powers of a pacifistic alien [[ForTheEvulz just because he could]]. His two most vile crimes, however, were when he nearly destroyed an entire inhabited world by stealing a component from the device that kept the planet from breaking apart, and when he tried to [[WouldHurtAChild kill and absorb a baby alien]] capable of {{Reality Warp}}ing to complete his [[AGodAmI ascension into godhood]].

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* CompleteMonster: CompleteMonster:
** Vilgax becomes the herald for [[EldritchAbomination Diagon]] before betraying and killing his master and stealing his power, hoping to use it to mind control all life in the universe.
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Aggregor is an Osmonian warlord who was wantonly murderous in his quest to achieve omnipotence. Aggregor killed aliens by absorbing their energy and matter to gain their powers. Generally this caused his victims to turn into desiccated husks, but for his plans to become powerful enough to reassemble the Map of Infinity, he turned five aliens into energy and absorbed them into himself. Aggregor killed Magister Prior Gilhil by stabbing him in the back, killed two other Plumbers by sucking them into space, and absorbed the life and powers of a pacifistic alien [[ForTheEvulz just because he could]]. His two most vile crimes, however, were when he nearly destroyed an entire inhabited world by stealing a component from the device that kept the planet from breaking apart, and when he tried to [[WouldHurtAChild kill and absorb a baby alien]] capable of {{Reality Warp}}ing to complete his [[AGodAmI ascension into godhood]].
25th Jul '17 4:12:14 AM Theokal3
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** Will Harangue is what a [[Franchise/SpiderMan Jonah J. Jameson]] {{Expy}}, the only real difference beside his look being that he is an anchorman instead of a newspaper director and is pursuing Ben, a character created by Man of Action, instead of Spidey. A few years later come ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'', which Man of Action is working on... and where Jonah J. Jameson is portrayed as an Anchorman instead of a newspaper director.

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** Will Harangue basically is what a [[Franchise/SpiderMan Jonah J. Jameson]] {{Expy}}, the only real difference differences beside his look being that he is an anchorman instead of a newspaper director and is pursuing Ben, a character created by Man of Action, instead of Spidey.Spider-Man. A few years later come ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'', which Man of Action is working on... and where Jonah J. Jameson is portrayed as an Anchorman anchorman instead of a newspaper director.
20th Jul '17 2:00:55 AM Loekman3
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power (via absorbing and nearly killing Alan and was stated to have done the same to the rest of the Plumber's Helpers). which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he [[MoralEventHorizon endangered an entire space station of innocent students]] for the sake of killing Argit. Yes, Ben may have been out of line when considering putting Kevin down after Kevin had only really tried to murder an officer who obviously had it coming but bear in mind, that he is ''only'' considering it. As Kevin's crimes get closer and closer to crossing the MoralEventHorizon [[labelnote:Examples]] Kevin endangering hundreds of innocent people to kill one conman, absorbing the energies of his friends and even his girlfriend's energy with little regard as to whether they die from the process and attempting to kill Ben on multiple occasions [[/labelnote]], Ben starts to get more desperate and less willing to find plans that ''might'' stop Kevin and turns to plans that '''will''' stop the threat he poses. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was through the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor. So while Ben nearly did cross the MoralEventHorizon,he was ultimately doing the right thing in doing so.


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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power (via absorbing and nearly killing Alan and was stated to have done the same to the rest of the Plumber's Helpers). which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he [[MoralEventHorizon endangered an entire space station of innocent students]] for the sake of killing Argit. Yes, Ben may have been out of line when considering putting Kevin down after Kevin had only really tried to murder an officer who obviously had it coming but bear in mind, that he is ''only'' considering it. As Kevin's crimes get closer and closer to crossing the MoralEventHorizon [[labelnote:Examples]] Kevin endangering hundreds of innocent people to kill one conman, absorbing the energies of his friends and even his girlfriend's energy with little regard as to whether they die from the process and attempting to kill Ben on multiple occasions [[/labelnote]], Ben starts to get more desperate and less willing to find plans that ''might'' stop Kevin and turns to plans that '''will''' stop the threat he poses. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was through the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor. So while Ben nearly did cross the MoralEventHorizon,he was ultimately doing the right thing in doing so.
4th Jul '17 3:30:25 AM SavageSamurai
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4th Jul '17 3:20:44 AM SavageSamurai
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he [[MoralEventHorizon endangered an entire space station of innocent students]] for the sake of killing Argit. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was through the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor. So while Ben nearly did cross the MoralEventHorizon,he was ultimately doing the right thing in doing so.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power (via absorbing and nearly killing Alan and was stated to have done the same to the rest of the Plumber's Helpers). which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he [[MoralEventHorizon endangered an entire space station of innocent students]] for the sake of killing Argit. Yes, Ben may have been out of line when considering putting Kevin down after Kevin had only really tried to murder an officer who obviously had it coming but bear in mind, that he is ''only'' considering it. As Kevin's crimes get closer and closer to crossing the MoralEventHorizon [[labelnote:Examples]] Kevin endangering hundreds of innocent people to kill one conman, absorbing the energies of his friends and even his girlfriend's energy with little regard as to whether they die from the process and attempting to kill Ben on multiple occasions [[/labelnote]], Ben starts to get more desperate and less willing to find plans that ''might'' stop Kevin and turns to plans that '''will''' stop the threat he poses. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was through the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor. So while Ben nearly did cross the MoralEventHorizon,he was ultimately doing the right thing in doing so.
4th Jul '17 2:11:41 AM SavageSamurai
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he endangered an entire space station of students for the sake of killing Argit. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was throuh the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he [[MoralEventHorizon endangered an entire space station of students innocent students]] for the sake of killing Argit. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was throuh through the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor. So while Ben nearly did cross the MoralEventHorizon,he was ultimately doing the right thing in doing so.
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