History YMMV / Ben10UltimateAlien

20th Jul '17 2:00:55 AM Loekman3
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power (via absorbing and nearly killing Alan and was stated to have done the same to the rest of the Plumber's Helpers). which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he [[MoralEventHorizon endangered an entire space station of innocent students]] for the sake of killing Argit. Yes, Ben may have been out of line when considering putting Kevin down after Kevin had only really tried to murder an officer who obviously had it coming but bear in mind, that he is ''only'' considering it. As Kevin's crimes get closer and closer to crossing the MoralEventHorizon [[labelnote:Examples]] Kevin endangering hundreds of innocent people to kill one conman, absorbing the energies of his friends and even his girlfriend's energy with little regard as to whether they die from the process and attempting to kill Ben on multiple occasions [[/labelnote]], Ben starts to get more desperate and less willing to find plans that ''might'' stop Kevin and turns to plans that '''will''' stop the threat he poses. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was through the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor. So while Ben nearly did cross the MoralEventHorizon,he was ultimately doing the right thing in doing so.


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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power (via absorbing and nearly killing Alan and was stated to have done the same to the rest of the Plumber's Helpers). which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he [[MoralEventHorizon endangered an entire space station of innocent students]] for the sake of killing Argit. Yes, Ben may have been out of line when considering putting Kevin down after Kevin had only really tried to murder an officer who obviously had it coming but bear in mind, that he is ''only'' considering it. As Kevin's crimes get closer and closer to crossing the MoralEventHorizon [[labelnote:Examples]] Kevin endangering hundreds of innocent people to kill one conman, absorbing the energies of his friends and even his girlfriend's energy with little regard as to whether they die from the process and attempting to kill Ben on multiple occasions [[/labelnote]], Ben starts to get more desperate and less willing to find plans that ''might'' stop Kevin and turns to plans that '''will''' stop the threat he poses. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was through the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor. So while Ben nearly did cross the MoralEventHorizon,he was ultimately doing the right thing in doing so.
4th Jul '17 3:30:25 AM SavageSamurai
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4th Jul '17 3:20:44 AM SavageSamurai
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he [[MoralEventHorizon endangered an entire space station of innocent students]] for the sake of killing Argit. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was through the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor. So while Ben nearly did cross the MoralEventHorizon,he was ultimately doing the right thing in doing so.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power (via absorbing and nearly killing Alan and was stated to have done the same to the rest of the Plumber's Helpers). which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he [[MoralEventHorizon endangered an entire space station of innocent students]] for the sake of killing Argit. Yes, Ben may have been out of line when considering putting Kevin down after Kevin had only really tried to murder an officer who obviously had it coming but bear in mind, that he is ''only'' considering it. As Kevin's crimes get closer and closer to crossing the MoralEventHorizon [[labelnote:Examples]] Kevin endangering hundreds of innocent people to kill one conman, absorbing the energies of his friends and even his girlfriend's energy with little regard as to whether they die from the process and attempting to kill Ben on multiple occasions [[/labelnote]], Ben starts to get more desperate and less willing to find plans that ''might'' stop Kevin and turns to plans that '''will''' stop the threat he poses. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was through the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor. So while Ben nearly did cross the MoralEventHorizon,he was ultimately doing the right thing in doing so.
4th Jul '17 2:11:41 AM SavageSamurai
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he endangered an entire space station of students for the sake of killing Argit. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was throuh the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he [[MoralEventHorizon endangered an entire space station of students innocent students]] for the sake of killing Argit. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was throuh through the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor. So while Ben nearly did cross the MoralEventHorizon,he was ultimately doing the right thing in doing so.
4th Jul '17 2:08:26 AM SavageSamurai
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Despite being called out on it both InUniverse and out, Ben was actually doing the right thing in his decision to kill Kevin. Considering that Ben with Kevin's help couldn't even defeat Aggregor and Kevin has essentially become a much more powerful version of Aggregor, it is understandable why Ben viewed Ultimate Kevin as a much more genuine threat than his previous foes. While villains such as Vilgax and the Highbreed had a much more lasting effect, Ben was still able to defeat them at nearly every turn. Inversely Aggregor was able to defeat Ben's team at every turn and even [[TheChessmaster manipulated them into]] [[UnwittingPawn helping him.]] Even his defeat came at great personal cost so its understandable to see why Ben is treating Ultimate Kevin much more seriously despite Kevin lacking Aggregor's intelligence. As Absolute Power showed, once Kevin had his fill on revenge, he moved onto gaining more power which undoubtedly would lead to Kevin eventually making his way to the Forge of Creation and absorbing the Celestialsapien baby, this time without the adequate firepower to stop him. It is also particularly notable how Ben doesn't actually try to put Kevin down until he endangered an entire space station of students for the sake of killing Argit. As Alien Force showed, the only methods to reverse his mutation was throuh the Dominus Librium (which Ben did not know was still functional) and destroying the Ultimatrix which would have disastrous consequences if it failed (via removing another potential method to stop Kevin). Its only when Ben actually starts fighting to kill that he can actually stop Kevin and in turn Aggregor.
16th Jun '17 8:52:46 PM Angeldeb82
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* CreatorsPet: Inverted with Aggregor; he is fairly popular amongst the fans for being an [[MagnificentBastard extremely competent villain]], but the writing staff apparently dislikes him, and the one who came up with his design even admitted being embarassed with it. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen He apparently was going]] [[http://ask.fm/DerrickJWyatt/answer/120506341492 to have a minor role for the Rooter story arc]] in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' ([[BackForTheDead where he was going to be killed off, with that]]), but the idea was dropped because the writers were in no hurry to bring him back.

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* CreatorsPet: Inverted with Aggregor; he is fairly popular amongst the fans for being an [[MagnificentBastard extremely competent villain]], but the writing staff apparently dislikes him, and the one who came up with his design even admitted being embarassed embarrassed with it. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen He apparently was going]] [[http://ask.fm/DerrickJWyatt/answer/120506341492 to have a minor role for the Rooter story arc]] in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' ([[BackForTheDead where he was going to be killed off, with that]]), but the idea was dropped because the writers were in no hurry to bring him back.



** Also, [[spoiler:Jennifer Nocturne developed StockholmSyndrome, even to the point of having feelings with Carl Nesmith (Captain Nemesis)]]. Five months later, Creator/KristenStewart, whom Jennifer Nocturne is an {{Expy}} of, [[spoiler:cheats on Robert Pattinson, having a brief affair with director Rupert Sanders]]. Boy did the show predict what would happen to Kristen Stewart...

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** Also, [[spoiler:Jennifer Nocturne developed StockholmSyndrome, even to the point of having feelings with Carl Nesmith (Captain Nemesis)]]. Five months later, Creator/KristenStewart, whom Jennifer Nocturne is an {{Expy}} of, [[spoiler:cheats on Robert Pattinson, having a brief affair with director Rupert Sanders]]. Boy Boy, did the show predict what would happen to Kristen Stewart...



** Will Harangue is what a [[SpiderMan Jonah J. Jameson]] {{Expy}}, the only real difference beside his look being that he is an anchorman instead of a newspaper director and is pursuing Ben, a character created by Man of Action, instead of Spidey. A few years later come ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'', which Man of Action is working on... and where Jonah J. Jameson is portrayed as an Anchorman instead of a newspaper director.

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** Will Harangue is what a [[SpiderMan [[Franchise/SpiderMan Jonah J. Jameson]] {{Expy}}, the only real difference beside his look being that he is an anchorman instead of a newspaper director and is pursuing Ben, a character created by Man of Action, instead of Spidey. A few years later come ''WesternAnimation/{{Ultimate Spider-Man}}'', which Man of Action is working on... and where Jonah J. Jameson is portrayed as an Anchorman instead of a newspaper director.



* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: There were some complaints that it was too similar to the previous series, due to sharing the same general tone, artstyle, and format.

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* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: ItsTheSameNowItSucks: There were some complaints that it was too similar to the previous series, due to sharing the same general tone, artstyle, and format.



*** Four Arms was given a design that was either a ShoutOut to [[MortalKombat Goro]] or [[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars the Green Martians]], complete with very little clothing and a ponytail. The fandom (and Derrick) weren't pleased, and he was given a more traditional look in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' with a BadassMoustache, which while still divisive, wasn't as loathed as his design here.

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*** Four Arms was given a design that was either a ShoutOut to [[MortalKombat [[Franchise/MortalKombat Goro]] or [[Literature/JohnCarterOfMars the Green Martians]], complete with very little clothing and a ponytail. The fandom (and Derrick) weren't pleased, and he was given a more traditional look in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10Omniverse'' with a BadassMoustache, which while still divisive, wasn't as loathed as his design here.



** A rare villainous example. There is a small but loud section of fans who think Charmcaster can never be forgiven after [[DealWithTheDevil what]] [[KillEmAll she]] [[OmnicidalManiac did]] in "Enemy of My Frenemy", completely ignoring her blatant portrayal as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds AntiVillain within that very episode, her FreudianExcuse, and that she ''realized'' her wrongdoing after her DespairEventHorizon and became a neutral character afterward [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor stuck between good and evil but genuinely working at becoming better.]] Even [[WordOfGod Geoff Thorne, writer of "Couples Retreat"]] was baffled by the flak some members of the fandom gave Charmcaster.
** These members of the fandom also ended up inspiring other members of the fandom to go to the ''opposite'' extreme and [[DracoInLeatherPants absolve Charmcaster of all her wrongdoing and portray her as a pure victim.]] One would think the concept of an AntiVillain would be easier to understand for all these people, but apparently Charmcaster can only be the "Anti" or the "Villain" in their eyes, the notion that she's a morally gray character is [[IncrediblyLamePun alien to them.]]

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** A rare villainous example. There is a small but loud section of fans who think Charmcaster can never be forgiven after [[DealWithTheDevil what]] [[KillEmAll she]] [[OmnicidalManiac did]] in "Enemy of My Frenemy", completely ignoring her blatant portrayal as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds AntiVillain within that very episode, her FreudianExcuse, and that she ''realized'' her wrongdoing after her DespairEventHorizon and became a neutral character afterward [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor stuck between good and evil but genuinely working at becoming better.]] better]]. Even [[WordOfGod Geoff Thorne, writer of "Couples Retreat"]] was baffled by the flak some members of the fandom gave Charmcaster.
** These members of the fandom also ended up inspiring other members of the fandom to go to the ''opposite'' extreme and [[DracoInLeatherPants absolve Charmcaster of all her wrongdoing and portray her as a pure victim.]] One would think the concept of an AntiVillain would be easier to understand for all these people, but apparently Charmcaster can only be the "Anti" or the "Villain" in their eyes, the notion that she's a morally gray character is [[IncrediblyLamePun [[JustForPun alien to them.]] them]].



** Despite undergoing CharacterDevelopment, Julie has once again began to become this, due to her having to TookALevelInJerkass due to her unable to stand Ben's fame going into his head, breaking up with Ben the first time as a result before getting back together with him (and then breaking up with him again in the ''Omniverse'' series) before finally joining an evil cult that she thought was a charitable service and even initially refusing to listen to Ben when he suspects the cult of being evil. As a result, her ''Omniverse'' appearances, which were her last appearances in the Ben 10 franchise, have been nothing more but a TakeThatScrappy to the character.

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** Despite undergoing CharacterDevelopment, Julie has once again began to become this, due to her having to TookALevelInJerkass [[TookALevelInJerkass Take a Level in Jerkass]] due to her unable to stand Ben's fame going into his head, breaking up with Ben the first time as a result before getting back together with him (and then breaking up with him again in the ''Omniverse'' series) before finally joining an evil cult that she thought was a charitable service and even initially refusing to listen to Ben when he suspects the cult of being evil. As a result, her ''Omniverse'' appearances, which were her last appearances in the Ben 10 franchise, have been nothing more but a TakeThatScrappy to the character.



** The ultimate fate of [[spoiler:Kwarrel, the prisoner who taught Kevin to control his anger.]]

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** The ultimate fate of [[spoiler:Kwarrel, the prisoner who taught Kevin to control his anger.]]anger]].



** Eon being [[spoiler:a future AlternateSelf of Ben]] is barely touched upon, despite all the potential for drama and stories it had. We don't even learn how [[spoiler:he became evil]]

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** Eon being [[spoiler:a future AlternateSelf of Ben]] is barely touched upon, despite all the potential for drama and stories it had. We don't even learn how [[spoiler:he became evil]]evil]].
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Jury Rigg may be a more combat-capable Grey Matter, but unlike Fasttrack, he averts ReplacementScrappy by being a hilarious little HeroicComedicSociopath.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse:
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Jury Rigg may be a more combat-capable Grey Matter, but unlike Fasttrack, he averts ReplacementScrappy by being a hilarious little HeroicComedicSociopath.



* EvilIsSexy: Aggregor is the first ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' BigBad to not be a hideous monster and actually be reasonably attractive, with long hair and an open shirt too.
** At least he was until his OneWingedAngel form.

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* EvilIsSexy: EvilIsSexy:
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Aggregor is the first ''WesternAnimation/{{Ben 10}}'' BigBad to not be a hideous monster and actually be reasonably attractive, with long hair and an open shirt too.
** *** At least he was until his OneWingedAngel form.



* FoeYay: Darkstar, as usual, has this for Gwen.

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* FoeYay: FoeYay:
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Darkstar, as usual, has this for Gwen.



* HarsherInHindsight: In the episode "Revenge of the Swarm", Ben and the others find out from a janitor that Elena's father had died. Kevin asks if he's telling the truth, the janitor replies "Anyone can die anytime". Wouldn't you know around the same time the episode aired [[spoiler: DwayneMcDuffie passed away]]?

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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In the episode "Revenge of the Swarm", Ben and the others find out from a janitor that Elena's father had died. Kevin asks if he's telling the truth, the janitor replies "Anyone can die anytime". Wouldn't you know around the same time the episode aired [[spoiler: DwayneMcDuffie passed away]]?



* HilariousInHindsight: When asked if Zombozo would return, [[WordOfGod Dwayne McDuffie]] said "not if he knows what's good for him". One of the first villains confirmed for the next series is Zombozo. Looks like he ''doesn't'' know what's good for him.

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
** It's revealed in ''The Forge of Creation'' that Alien X was locked and one of the reasons was to prevent other characters like Albedo from accessing it in case they got hold of Ben's Omnitrix. Then come ''Ben 10,000 Returns'', when Paradox explains an alternate universe where Albedo did use Alien X, only to stay motionless for a year.
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When asked if Zombozo would return, [[WordOfGod Dwayne McDuffie]] said "not if he knows what's good for him". One of the first villains confirmed for the next series ''Omniverse'' is Zombozo. Looks like he ''doesn't'' know what's good for him.



* HoYay: Parodied with [[spoiler: Clone]] Ben and Kevin in a car in "Duped".

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* HoYay: HoYay:
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Parodied with [[spoiler: Clone]] Ben and Kevin in a car in "Duped".



* JerkassWoobie: For some viewers, Gwen's cousin Sunny became this by the end of the episode she appeared in [[spoiler: due to [[TheScrappy Grandma Verdona]] vocally favoring Gwen over her ''right in front of her!'']]

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* JerkassWoobie: JerkassWoobie:
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For some viewers, Gwen's cousin Sunny became this by the end of the episode she appeared in [[spoiler: due to [[TheScrappy Grandma Verdona]] vocally favoring Gwen over her ''right in front of her!'']]



* MagnificentBastard: Aggregor; the guy is an incredibly savvy for who remains unstoppable for his whole story arc by tricking the protagonists into reaching his goals for him. He only get ''one'' defeat in all his appearance, and it took [[spoiler:Kevin [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificing]] his sanity by [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity absorbing energy from the Ultimatrix]] to finally defeat him. Sadly, he ends up as an AntiClimaxBoss when Kevin inflicts a CurbStompBattle on him and [[HijackedByGanon takes over as the new bad guy]], but he still remains a memorably competent villain]].

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* MagnificentBastard: MagnificentBastard:
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Aggregor; the guy is an incredibly savvy for who remains unstoppable for his whole story arc by tricking the protagonists into reaching his goals for him. He only get ''one'' defeat in all his appearance, and it took [[spoiler:Kevin [[HeroicSacrifice sacrificing]] his sanity by [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity absorbing energy from the Ultimatrix]] to finally defeat him. Sadly, he ends up as an AntiClimaxBoss when Kevin inflicts a CurbStompBattle on him and [[HijackedByGanon takes over as the new bad guy]], but he still remains a memorably competent villain]].



* MoralEventHorizon: Alot of dark stuff happens in this show, but one case is unanimously agreed upon as a Moral Event Horizon: Captain Nemesis [[spoiler:becomes the first successful hands-on murderer in the series. He kills several people, including a random motorist ''just to steal his car''. Even his PetTheDog moment at the very end doesn't bring him back across the line.]]
* ReplacementScrappy: [[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Fasttrack]] has become a big one for [[FragileSpeedster XLR8]]. Not only is his design less creative than the raptor-on-wheels [=XLR8=], WordOfGod has stated he's [[CreatorsPet stronger and faster than XLR8]], too. And since [=XLR8=] was an EnsembleDarkhorse, this is not a good thing.

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* MoralEventHorizon: Alot of dark stuff happens in this show, but one case is unanimously agreed upon as a Moral Event Horizon: upon: Captain Nemesis [[spoiler:becomes the first successful hands-on murderer in the series. He kills several people, including a random motorist ''just to steal his car''. Even his PetTheDog moment at the very end doesn't bring him back across the line.]]
* ReplacementScrappy: ReplacementScrappy:
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[[SuspiciouslySimilarSubstitute Fasttrack]] has become a big one for [[FragileSpeedster XLR8]]. Not only is his design less creative than the raptor-on-wheels [=XLR8=], WordOfGod has stated he's [[CreatorsPet stronger and faster than XLR8]], too. And since [=XLR8=] was an EnsembleDarkhorse, this is not a good thing.



* RonTheDeathEater: A rare villainous example. There is a small but loud section of fans who think Charmcaster can never be forgiven after [[DealWithTheDevil what]] [[KillEmAll she]] [[OmnicidalManiac did]] in "Enemy of My Frenemy", completely ignoring her blatant portrayal as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds AntiVillain within that very episode, her FreudianExcuse, and that she ''realized'' her wrongdoing after her DespairEventHorizon and became a neutral character afterward [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor stuck between good and evil but genuinely working at becoming better.]] Even [[WordOfGod Geoff Thorne, writer of "Couples Retreat"]] was baffled by the flak some members of the fandom gave Charmcaster.

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* RonTheDeathEater: RonTheDeathEater:
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A rare villainous example. There is a small but loud section of fans who think Charmcaster can never be forgiven after [[DealWithTheDevil what]] [[KillEmAll she]] [[OmnicidalManiac did]] in "Enemy of My Frenemy", completely ignoring her blatant portrayal as a WoobieDestroyerOfWorlds AntiVillain within that very episode, her FreudianExcuse, and that she ''realized'' her wrongdoing after her DespairEventHorizon and became a neutral character afterward [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor stuck between good and evil but genuinely working at becoming better.]] Even [[WordOfGod Geoff Thorne, writer of "Couples Retreat"]] was baffled by the flak some members of the fandom gave Charmcaster.



* TheScrappy: [[IntendedAudienceReaction Intentional or not]], Will Harangue sometimes overplays this, due to his tendencies to [[KarmaHoudini get out of punishment scot-free]], [[{{Hypocrite}} behavior that contradicts his own self-professed ideals]], and generally just being a {{Jerkass}} through and through. Him ''siding with alien invaders'' in the next series just because they got rid of Ben likely hasn't helped him.

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* TheScrappy: TheScrappy:
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[[IntendedAudienceReaction Intentional or not]], Will Harangue sometimes overplays this, due to his tendencies to [[KarmaHoudini get out of punishment scot-free]], [[{{Hypocrite}} behavior that contradicts his own self-professed ideals]], and generally just being a {{Jerkass}} through and through. Him ''siding with alien invaders'' in the next series just because they got rid of Ben likely hasn't helped him.



* {{Squick}}: No matter how "randomized" her DNA is, it can be a little unsettling to notice how much [[spoiler: Eunice]] and [[spoiler: Gwen]] favor... or worse, how she and [[spoiler: ''[[ScrewYourself Ben]]'']] resemble each other. Or, for the [[spoiler: Ben/Gwen]] shippers, she could be a dream come true.

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No matter how "randomized" her DNA is, it can be a little unsettling to notice how much [[spoiler: Eunice]] and [[spoiler: Gwen]] favor... or worse, how she and [[spoiler: ''[[ScrewYourself Ben]]'']] resemble each other. Or, for the [[spoiler: Ben/Gwen]] shippers, she could be a dream come true.



* TearJerker: The fate of [[spoiler: Victor and Elena Validus. Turns out Victor died offscreen in an experment and that the Hive used Elena as a secondary Queen to survive, making her believe everything they do is just what she wants them to do and she's in control. Ultimately, unable to allow Ben's death, she manages to regain control and kill herself along with the Queen. What makes it even more of a TearJerker is that TheStinger reveals it was in vain as the Hive survived.]]
** [[spoiler: Less of one now--Turns out Elena somehow survived too and is even crazier. She brought two buildings to life to try and kill Kevin when he got too close to figuring out she was impersonating Julie.]]

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* TearJerker: TearJerker:
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The fate of [[spoiler: Victor and Elena Validus. Turns out Victor died offscreen in an experment and that the Hive used Elena as a secondary Queen to survive, making her believe everything they do is just what she wants them to do and she's in control. Ultimately, unable to allow Ben's death, she manages to regain control and kill herself along with the Queen. What makes it even more of a TearJerker is that TheStinger reveals it was in vain as the Hive survived.]]
** *** [[spoiler: Less of one now--Turns out Elena somehow survived too and is even crazier. She brought two buildings to life to try and kill Kevin when he got too close to figuring out she was impersonating Julie.]]



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Old George was a fairly well-received character, with an intriguing air and mystery to him, but [[spoiler: he dies]] before we can learn much more about him or his backstory, including the question of ''how'' he's immortal.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter:
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Old George was a fairly well-received character, with an intriguing air and mystery to him, but [[spoiler: he dies]] before we can learn much more about him or his backstory, including the question of ''how'' he's immortal.



* WhatAnIdiot: [[spoiler: Ben deciding that Kevin needs to die in order to stop him is arguably this, as Ben makes almost no effort to resolve the situation peacefully. One attempted murder on a guy who obviously had it coming (before this it had been brutal beatings and they had apparently never caught up until this point), and Ben's all for killing him.]]

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* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot:
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[[spoiler: Ben deciding that Kevin needs to die in order to stop him is arguably this, as Ben makes almost no effort to resolve the situation peacefully. One attempted murder on a guy who obviously had it coming (before this it had been brutal beatings and they had apparently never caught up until this point), and Ben's all for killing him.]]
7th Jan '17 9:36:52 AM nombretomado
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** Also, [[spoiler:Jennifer Nocturne developed StockholmSyndrome, even to the point of having feelings with Carl Nesmith (Captain Nemesis)]]. Five months later, KristenStewart, whom Jennifer Nocturne is an {{Expy}} of, [[spoiler:cheats on Robert Pattinson, having a brief affair with director Rupert Sanders]]. Boy did the show predict what would happen to Kristen Stewart...

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** Also, [[spoiler:Jennifer Nocturne developed StockholmSyndrome, even to the point of having feelings with Carl Nesmith (Captain Nemesis)]]. Five months later, KristenStewart, Creator/KristenStewart, whom Jennifer Nocturne is an {{Expy}} of, [[spoiler:cheats on Robert Pattinson, having a brief affair with director Rupert Sanders]]. Boy did the show predict what would happen to Kristen Stewart...
3rd Nov '16 6:02:23 PM Etheru
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** Ben's immaturity in ''Alien Force'' is heavily downplayed, making him a bit smarter and more responsible as he was in the first two seasons of that series. The result is more of a comfortable mixture of the traits that people liked in ''Alien Force'', but still kind of prone to poorly thought out and emotional responses.

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** Ben's immaturity in ''Alien Force'' is heavily downplayed, making him a bit smarter and more responsible as he was in the first two seasons of that series. The result is more of a comfortable mixture of the traits that people liked in ''Alien Force'', but still kind of prone to poorly thought out and emotional responses.responses the first series had.
3rd Nov '16 6:01:52 PM Etheru
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* CharacterRerailment: Vilgax, while not as monstrous as he was in the initial series, is made into a MagnificentBastard. [[spoiler: He successfully tricks Diagon!]]

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* CharacterRerailment: CharacterRerailment:
** Ben's immaturity in ''Alien Force'' is heavily downplayed, making him a bit smarter and more responsible as he was in the first two seasons of that series. The result is more of a comfortable mixture of the traits that people liked in ''Alien Force'', but still kind of prone to poorly thought out and emotional responses.
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Vilgax, while not as monstrous as he was in the initial series, is made into a MagnificentBastard. [[spoiler: He successfully tricks Diagon!]]


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* ItsTheSameSoItSucks: There were some complaints that it was too similar to the previous series, due to sharing the same general tone, artstyle, and format.
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