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* {{Narm}}: Sure, someone might think about Valentine's Day being like heteronormative hell, but how many would actually say it out loud? Although in later cycles it might become...
* NarmCharm: Once the audience becomes aware that Anna is paranoid that people make fun of her for her sexuality behind her back (and it's implied that she's justified in thinking that), it might feel like she's trying to bait someone into proving her right. Or like she's just refusing to be cowed by her fellow students.



* {{Narm}}: Sure, someone might think about Valentine's Day being like heteronormative hell, but how many would actually say it out loud? Although in later cycles it might become...
* NarmCharm: Once the audience becomes aware that Anna is paranoid that people make fun of her for her sexuality behind her back (and it's implied that she's justified in thinking that), it might feel like she's trying to bait someone into proving her right. Or like she's just refusing to be cowed by her fellow students.
* QuestionableCasting:
** While it isn't a bad performance, Zoey Deutch is much more Adorkable than the [[HiddenDepths Sam]] from the book. She also comes across as more put-together than an actual teenager, probably the result of the film's DawsonCasting (Deutch was 21 when she made the movie).
** The entire main group, in general, come off as more clean-cut than their book counterparts.



* WTHCastingAgency:
** While it isn't a bad performance, Zoey Deutch is much more Adorkable than the [[HiddenDepths Sam]] from the book. She also comes across as more put-together than an actual teenager, probably the result of the film's DawsonCasting (Deutch was 21 when she made the movie).
** The entire main group, in general, come off as more clean-cut than their book counterparts.
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** Okay, so Lindsay, Elody, Ally and Juliet are going to be walking around with massive amounts of guilt. Also, her family and little sister will be heartbroken. And Kent is going to be left with a [[ShipTease few hints]] from Sam, and not just much else. Let's just stick with the noble sacrifice angle, okay?

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** Okay, so Lindsay, Elody, Ally and Juliet are going to be walking around with massive amounts of guilt. Also, her family parents and little sister will be heartbroken. And Kent is going to be left with a [[ShipTease few hints]] from Sam, and not just much else. Let's just stick with the noble sacrifice angle, okay?

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* WTHCastingAgency: While it isn't a bad performance, Zoey Deutch is much more Adorkable than the [[HiddenDepths Sam]] from the book. She also comes across as more put-together than an actual teenager, probably the result of the film's DawsonCasting (Deutch was 21 when she made the movie).

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* WTHCastingAgency: WTHCastingAgency:
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While it isn't a bad performance, Zoey Deutch is much more Adorkable than the [[HiddenDepths Sam]] from the book. She also comes across as more put-together than an actual teenager, probably the result of the film's DawsonCasting (Deutch was 21 when she made the movie).

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* Is Lindsay a JerkassWoobie, or just a complete {{Manipulative B|astard}}itch with a total LackOfEmpathy?

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* ** Is Lindsay a JerkassWoobie, or just a complete {{Manipulative B|astard}}itch with a total LackOfEmpathy?



* FridgeHorror: Okay, so Lindsay, Elody, Ally and Juliet are going to be walking around with massive amounts of guilt. Also, her family and little sister will be heartbroken. And Kent is going to be left with a [[ShipTease few hints]] from Sam, and not just much else. Let's just stick with the noble sacrifice angle, okay?

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* FridgeHorror: FridgeHorror:
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Okay, so Lindsay, Elody, Ally and Juliet are going to be walking around with massive amounts of guilt. Also, her family and little sister will be heartbroken. And Kent is going to be left with a [[ShipTease few hints]] from Sam, and not just much else. Let's just stick with the noble sacrifice angle, okay?



* [[HoYay Les Yay]]: In the movie, the four girls are all very touchy, especially Lindsay/Sam. They call each other bae and say they belong together. Lindsay even kisses Sam multiple times. One time, this leaves a lipstick mark, and Sam sits there smiling.

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* [[HoYay Les Yay]]: Yay]]:
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In the movie, the four girls are all very touchy, especially Lindsay/Sam. They call each other bae and say they belong together. Lindsay even kisses Sam multiple times. One time, this leaves a lipstick mark, and Sam sits there smiling.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Lindsay a JerkassWoobie, or just a complete {{Manipulative B|astard}}itch with a total LackOfEmpathy?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
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Is Lindsay a JerkassWoobie, or just a complete {{Manipulative B|astard}}itch with a total LackOfEmpathy?



* {{Squick}}: Mr. Daimler actually kissing and groping one of his students can set this off for some readers for quite understandable reasons.

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* {{Squick}}: {{Squick}}:
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Mr. Daimler actually kissing and groping one of his students can set this off for some readers for quite understandable reasons.



* ValuesDissonance: There are multiple references to "lezzing out" or "lesbos", as well as the girls cheerfully speculating about a minor character being foribly closeted, and their interactions with each other can come across as GayBravado (with all of its Unfortunate Implications). This can make the book feel uncomfortable in the later half of the 2010s and beyond, due to the growing awareness that even if it isn't active hate or condemnation, having their sexuality "othered" can still have negative mental health effects on LGBT teens and contribute to overall stigma and fear of coming out.
** Mental illness is explicitly a widespread problem in the town where the novel is set (the main characters' high school was at one point dubbed by the media as "Suicide High"). Today there would be likely be a strong student-led movement to improve mental health resources.

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* ValuesDissonance: There are multiple references to "lezzing out" or "lesbos", as well as the girls cheerfully speculating about a minor character being foribly closeted, and their interactions with each other can come across as GayBravado (with all of its Unfortunate Implications). This can make the book feel uncomfortable in the later half of the 2010s and beyond, due to the growing awareness that even if it isn't active hate or condemnation, having their sexuality "othered" can still have negative mental health effects on LGBT teens and contribute to overall stigma and fear of coming out.
** Mental illness is explicitly a widespread problem in the town where the novel is set (the main characters' high school was at one point dubbed by the media as "Suicide High"). Today there would be likely be a strong student-led movement to improve mental health resources.
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Unfortunate Implications is now Flame Bait.


* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Lindsay a JerkassWoobie, or just a complete [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative Bitch]] with a total LackOfEmpathy?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Lindsay a JerkassWoobie, or just a complete [[ManipulativeBastard Manipulative Bitch]] {{Manipulative B|astard}}itch with a total LackOfEmpathy?



*** Even if she doesn't [[spoiler: save Juliet, she still becomes a better person and her death may cause a change in the school's dog-eat-dog social dynamic.]]

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*** Even if she doesn't [[spoiler: save Juliet, she still becomes a better person and her death may cause a change in the school's dog-eat-dog social dynamic.]]dynamic]].



* LesYay: Oh girl, where do we start? As mentioned on the main page the PseudoRomanticFriendship is really high in this book. The girls are rather close and don't have boundaries some friends would have. We can stress "Woah Lesboing out much"..."Maybe". Are actual quotes out of this book.

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* LesYay: [[HoYay Les Yay]]: Oh girl, where do we start? As mentioned on the main page the PseudoRomanticFriendship is really high in this book. The girls are rather close and don't have boundaries some friends would have. We can stress "Woah Lesboing out much"..."Maybe". Are actual quotes out of this book.



* ValuesDissonance: There are multiple references to "lezzing out" or "lesbos", as well as the girls cheerfully speculating about a minor character being foribly closeted, and their interactions with each other can come across as GayBravado (with all of its UnfortunateImplications). This can make the book feel uncomfortable in the later half of the 2010s and beyond, due to the growing awareness that even if it isn't active hate or condemnation, having their sexuality "othered" can still have negative mental health effects on LGBT teens and contribute to overall stigma and fear of coming out.

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* ValuesDissonance: There are multiple references to "lezzing out" or "lesbos", as well as the girls cheerfully speculating about a minor character being foribly closeted, and their interactions with each other can come across as GayBravado (with all of its UnfortunateImplications).Unfortunate Implications). This can make the book feel uncomfortable in the later half of the 2010s and beyond, due to the growing awareness that even if it isn't active hate or condemnation, having their sexuality "othered" can still have negative mental health effects on LGBT teens and contribute to overall stigma and fear of coming out.



* LesYay: In the movie, the four girls are all very touchy, especially Lindsay/Sam. They call each other bae and say they belong together. Lindsay even kisses Sam multiple times. One time, this leaves a lipstick mark, and Sam sits there smiling.

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* LesYay: [[HoYay Les Yay]]: In the movie, the four girls are all very touchy, especially Lindsay/Sam. They call each other bae and say they belong together. Lindsay even kisses Sam multiple times. One time, this leaves a lipstick mark, and Sam sits there smiling.



* WhatTheHellCastingAgency: While it isn't a bad performance, Zoey Deutch is much more Adorkable than the [[HiddenDepths Sam]] from the book. She also comes across as more put-together than an actual teenager, probably the result of the film's DawsonCasting (Deutch was 21 when she made the movie).

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* WhatTheHellCastingAgency: WTHCastingAgency: While it isn't a bad performance, Zoey Deutch is much more Adorkable than the [[HiddenDepths Sam]] from the book. She also comes across as more put-together than an actual teenager, probably the result of the film's DawsonCasting (Deutch was 21 when she made the movie).
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* Narm: Sure, someone might think about Valentine's Day being like heteronormative hell, but how many would actually say it out loud? Although in later cycles it might become...

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* Narm: {{Narm}}: Sure, someone might think about Valentine's Day being like heteronormative hell, but how many would actually say it out loud? Although in later cycles it might become...
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* WhatTheHellCastingAgency: While it isn't a bad performance, Zoey Deutch is much more Adorkable than the [[HiddenDepths Sam]] from the book. She also comes across as more put-together than an actual teenager, probably the result of the film's DawsonCasting (Deutch was 23 when she made the movie).

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* WhatTheHellCastingAgency: While it isn't a bad performance, Zoey Deutch is much more Adorkable than the [[HiddenDepths Sam]] from the book. She also comes across as more put-together than an actual teenager, probably the result of the film's DawsonCasting (Deutch was 23 21 when she made the movie).
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Romantic Two Girl Friendship has been renamed to Pseudo Romantic Friendship. All misuse and ZC Es will be deleted and all other examples will be changed to the correct trope.


* LesYay: Oh girl, where do we start? As mentioned on the main page the RomanticTwoGirlFriendship is really high in this book. The girls are rather close and don't have boundaries some friends would have. We can stress "Woah Lesboing out much"..."Maybe". Are actual quotes out of this book.

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* LesYay: Oh girl, where do we start? As mentioned on the main page the RomanticTwoGirlFriendship PseudoRomanticFriendship is really high in this book. The girls are rather close and don't have boundaries some friends would have. We can stress "Woah Lesboing out much"..."Maybe". Are actual quotes out of this book.
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%%Author's note: If this example also applies to the book, then move it up to the above section.
* Narm: Sure, someone might think about Valentine's Day being like heteronormative hell, but how many would actually say it out loud? Made worse because the audience hears it on every single cycle.

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%%Author's note: If this example also applies to the book, then move it up to the above section.
* Narm: Sure, someone might think about Valentine's Day being like heteronormative hell, but how many would actually say it out loud? Made worse because Although in later cycles it might become...
* NarmCharm: Once
the audience hears becomes aware that Anna is paranoid that people make fun of her for her sexuality behind her back (and it's implied that she's justified in thinking that), it on every single cycle.might feel like she's trying to bait someone into proving her right. Or like she's just refusing to be cowed by her fellow students.

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** Even if it's bittersweet, it's still much happier than the original outcome. [[spoiler:Sam would have died in both versions, but in this one there's no chance that her friends will be hurt or face criminal charges, and Juliet probably survives. Maybe not as happy as the book paints it, but definitely not totally negative.]]



** Also, [[spoiler:Juliet, who is frequently accused of being a psychopath, will be found with the dead body of Sam, who was known for bullying Juliet. As far as we can tell, there weren't any witnesses, and it's possible that the truck driver did not see what happened. How many people are going to believe Juliet when she says that Sam pushed her out of the way of an incoming vehicle? If anything, the bullying is only going to get even worse for Juliet, especially now that the one person who ultimately cared about her is dead.]]
*** [[spoiler:On the other hand, considering [[AnguishedDeclarationOfLove the way that Sam was acting to her friends that day,]] it wouldn't be crazy for people to conclude that Sam was also DrivenToSuicide before coming across Juliet.]]



* FridgeHorror: Because the audience does not learn the aftermath of [[spoiler:Sam's HeroicSacrifice]], it is easy to interpret it as an EsotericHappyEnding. [[spoiler:Juliet, who is frequently accused of being a psychopath, will be found with the dead body of Sam, who was known for bullying Juliet. As far as we can tell, there weren't any witnesses, and it's possible that the truck driver did not see what happened. How many people are going to believe Juliet when she says that Sam pushed her out of the way of an incoming vehicle? If anything, the bullying is only going to get even worse for Juliet, especially now that the one person who ultimately cared about her is dead.]] %%Author's note: If this example also applies to the book, then move it up to the above section.

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* FridgeHorror: Because See the audience does not learn the aftermath of [[spoiler:Sam's HeroicSacrifice]], section above. Suffice it is easy to interpret it as an EsotericHappyEnding. [[spoiler:Juliet, who is frequently accused of being a psychopath, will be found with the dead body of Sam, who was known for bullying Juliet. As far as we can tell, there weren't any witnesses, and it's possible say that the truck driver did not see what happened. How many people are going movie does nothing to believe Juliet when she says that Sam pushed her out of eliminate the way of an incoming vehicle? If anything, the bullying is only going to get even worse for Juliet, especially now that the one person who ultimately cared about her is dead.]] EsotericHappyEnding interpretations.
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* Narm: Sure, someone might think about Valentine's Day being like heteronormative hell, but how many would actually say it out loud? Made worse because the audience hears it on every single cycle.



* UnintentionallySympathetic: Aside from her treatment of Juliet, Lindsey bad behaviour towards her friends is massively downplayed. The flashbacks to her worst moments towards other students in the past also don't make an appearance.

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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Aside from While her terrible treatment of Juliet, Lindsey Juliet remains, Lindsey's bad behaviour towards her friends is massively downplayed. The flashbacks to her worst moments towards other students in the past also don't make an appearance. This means that TheReasonYouSuckSpeech that Sam gives her comes off as way less earned.

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** Is Kent a NiceGuy with a soft-spot for his ChildhoodFriend? Or is he a DoggedNiceGuy who's way too persistent, even though Sam makes it clear she's not interested and she's in a relationship with another guy? Does he feel like Sam is going down the wrong path or does he just want her to never grow away from the person that he remembers? The "this isn't you" note, especially in the movie, can come across as either a well-deserved WhatTheHellHero or a really presumptuous guilt-trip he didn't have a right to send.





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\n* ValuesDissonance: There are multiple references to "lezzing out" or "lesbos", as well as the girls cheerfully speculating about a minor character being foribly closeted, and their interactions with each other can come across as GayBravado (with all of its UnfortunateImplications). This can make the book feel uncomfortable in the later half of the 2010s and beyond, due to the growing awareness that even if it isn't active hate or condemnation, having their sexuality "othered" can still have negative mental health effects on LGBT teens and contribute to overall stigma and fear of coming out.
** Mental illness is explicitly a widespread problem in the town where the novel is set (the main characters' high school was at one point dubbed by the media as "Suicide High"). Today there would be likely be a strong student-led movement to improve mental health resources.


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* UnintentionallySympathetic: Aside from her treatment of Juliet, Lindsey bad behaviour towards her friends is massively downplayed. The flashbacks to her worst moments towards other students in the past also don't make an appearance.
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* WhatTheHellCastingAgency: While it isn't a bad performance, Zoey Deutch is much more Adorkable than the [[HiddenDepths Sam]] from the book. She also comes across as more put-together than an actual teenager, probably the result of the film's DawsonCasting (Deutch was 23 when she made the movie).
** The entire main group, in general, come off as more clean-cut than their book counterparts.
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Dewicking per TRS decision.


** There's also Sam and Anna having a moment getting high in the bathroom and Anna putting her head on Sam's shoulder. A scene that along with the fact Anna has a lighter shaped like a naked female torso that she is BiTheWay.

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** There's also Sam and Anna having a moment getting high in the bathroom and Anna putting her head on Sam's shoulder. A scene that along with the fact Anna has a lighter shaped like a naked female torso that she is BiTheWay.bi.
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* FridgeHeartwarming: The seven day cycle not only allowed Sam to make amends, [[spoiler: it may have also allowed her moments of closure with her friends, particularly Izzy, Lindsay, and Kent.]]

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* FridgeHeartwarming: HeartwarmingInHindsight: The seven day cycle not only allowed Sam to make amends, [[spoiler: it may have also allowed her moments of closure with her friends, particularly Izzy, Lindsay, and Kent.]]
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* YouDontLookLikeYou: Sam is a green-eyed blonde on the cover of the novel, but she's not in the movie.

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* YouDontLookLikeYou: Sam is a green-eyed blonde on the cover of the novel, but she's not in the movie.movie, considering she is portrayed by hazel-eyed brunette Zoey Deutch.
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* FridgeHorror: Because the audience does not learn the aftermath of [[spoiler:Sam's HeroicSacrifice]], it is easy to interpret it as an EsotericHappyEnding. [[spoiler:Juliet, who is frequently accused of being a psychopath, will be found with the dead body of Sam, who was known for bullying Juliet. As far as we can tell, there weren't any witnesses, and it's possible that the truck driver did not see what happened. How many people are going to believe Juliet when she says that Sam pushed her out of the way of an incoming vehicle? If anything, the bullying is only going to get even worse for Juliet, especially now that the one person who ultimately cared about her is dead.]] %%Author's note: If this example also applies to the book, then move it up to the above section.
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* FridgeHeartwarming: The seven day cycle not only allowed Sam to make amends, [[spoiler: it may have also allowed her moments of closure with her friends, particularly Izzy, Lindsay, and Kent.]]
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*** Maybe not [[spoiler: her life, but her soul. Without Sam's intervention, Juliet may have been doomed to an afterlife of perpetual anger and grief. By showing that she cared enough to listen to Juliet's side of the story, Sam would have helped her move on.]]

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\n** Sam has this reaction In-Universe when she accidentally witnesses her teachers tongue-kissing.




** There's some of this between Sam and Anna (who is a lesbian in the movie.) At one point, it looks like they're about to kiss, but then Sam just bursts out a question about whether Anna ever feels like her days are repeating.

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** There's some of this between Sam and Anna (who is a lesbian in the movie.) At one point, it looks like they're about to kiss, but then Sam just bursts out a question about whether Anna ever feels like her days are repeating.repeating.
* YouDontLookLikeYou: Sam is a green-eyed blonde on the cover of the novel, but she's not in the movie.

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*** Even if she doesn't [[spoiler: save Juliet, she still becomes a better person and her death will likely cause a change in the school's dog-eat-dog social dynamic.]]

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*** Even if she doesn't [[spoiler: save Juliet, she still becomes a better person and her death will likely may cause a change in the school's dog-eat-dog social dynamic.]]



** Sam's internal thought that Leader Lindsay agrees they can stay in. "I could kiss her."



** If you thought we were down here, nope. Let's also mention the Pugs, a completely different girl posse with similar levels. Tara Flute even crawls under and into a changing room to help Sam zip up a dress she can't fit into without help.

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** If you thought we were down done here, nope. Let's also mention the Pugs, a completely different girl posse with similar levels. Tara Flute even crawls under and into a changing room to help Sam zip up a dress she can't fit into without help.
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* LesYay: Oh girl, where do we start? As mentioned on the main page the RomanticTwoGirlFriendship is really high in this book. The girls are rather close and don't have boundaries some friends would have. We can stress "Woah Lesboing out much"..."Maybe". Are actual quotes out of this book.
** During one scene Lindsey hops on top of Sam and makes humping motions.
** There's the sleepover where they dance around in tank tops and boxers with this quote, "Lindsey bends over and wiggles her butt at us. "Kiss it", Elody's response? "Maybe I will." Elody dives fo her, pretending like she's going to."
** There's also Sam and Anna having a moment getting high in the bathroom and Anna putting her head on Sam's shoulder. A scene that along with the fact Anna has a lighter shaped like a naked female torso that she is BiTheWay.
** Despite picking on her for years at this point when Sam goes to describe Juliet she often comes up with "she's pretty". She also makes similar descriptions of Marian, Juliet's little sister.
** If you thought we were down here, nope. Let's also mention the Pugs, a completely different girl posse with similar levels. Tara Flute even crawls under and into a changing room to help Sam zip up a dress she can't fit into without help.
* {{Squick}}: Mr. Daimler actually kissing and groping one of his students can set this off for some readers for quite understandable reasons.


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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Still happens with Lindsey, who isn't given as much of an on-screen PetTheDog but still to some level.
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*** Even if she doesn't [[spoiler: save Juliet, she still becomes a better person and her death will likely cause a change in the school's dog-eat-dog social dynamic.]]

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*** Even if she doesn't [[spoiler: save Juliet, she still becomes a better person and her death will likely cause a change in the school's dog-eat-dog social dynamic.]]]]
* LesYay: In the movie, the four girls are all very touchy, especially Lindsay/Sam. They call each other bae and say they belong together. Lindsay even kisses Sam multiple times. One time, this leaves a lipstick mark, and Sam sits there smiling.
** There's some of this between Sam and Anna (who is a lesbian in the movie.) At one point, it looks like they're about to kiss, but then Sam just bursts out a question about whether Anna ever feels like her days are repeating.
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** It's also possible to interpret that [[spoiler:Juliet died as well, meaning that Sam's sacrifice wasn't as meaningful as it should have been.]]

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** It's also possible to interpret that [[spoiler:Juliet died as well, meaning that Sam's sacrifice wasn't as meaningful as it should have been.]]
*** Even if she doesn't [[spoiler: save Juliet, she still becomes a better person and her death will likely cause a change in the school's dog-eat-dog social dynamic.
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* FridgeHorror: Okay, so Lindsay, Elody, Ally and Juliet are going to be walking around with massive amounts of guilt. Also, her family and little sister will be heartbroken. And Kent is going to be left with a [[ShipTease few hints]] from Sam, and not just much else. Let's just stick with the noble sacrifice angle, okay?

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* FridgeHorror: Okay, so Lindsay, Elody, Ally and Juliet are going to be walking around with massive amounts of guilt. Also, her family and little sister will be heartbroken. And Kent is going to be left with a [[ShipTease few hints]] from Sam, and not just much else. Let's just stick with the noble sacrifice angle, okay?okay?
** It's also possible to interpret that [[spoiler:Juliet died as well, meaning that Sam's sacrifice wasn't as meaningful as it should have been.]]
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* FridgeHorror: Okay, so Lindsay, Elody, Ally and Juliet are going to be walking around with massive amounts of guilt. Also, her family and little sister will be heartbroken. And Kent is going to be left with a [[ShipTease few hints]] from Sam, and not just much else. Let's just stick with the noble sacrifice angle, okay?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Lindsay a JerkassWoobie, or a [[ManipulativeBastard ManipulativeBastard]] with a total LackOfEmpathy?

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Lindsay a JerkassWoobie, or just a complete [[ManipulativeBastard ManipulativeBastard]] Manipulative Bitch]] with a total LackOfEmpathy?
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Lindsay a JerkassWoobie, or a [[ManipulativeBastard ManipulativeBastard]] with a total LackOfEmpathy?

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