History YMMV / BatmanBegins

17th May '17 11:03:00 AM Owlorange1995
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* {{Narm}}: Shane Rimmer's lines [[MrExposition as a water technician]] as Ra's Al Ghul's train hurtles towards him are perhaps the clunkiest and worst-written in the entire franchise. Fans of Podcast/RiffTrax can almost hear Mike say "got that audience?" in the background. Nevertheless, he puts the required effort into them, and the audience feels happy when he survives.

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* {{Narm}}: NarmCharm: Shane Rimmer's lines [[MrExposition as a water technician]] as Ra's Al Ghul's train hurtles towards him are perhaps the clunkiest and worst-written in the entire franchise. Fans of Podcast/RiffTrax can almost hear Mike say "got that audience?" in the background. Nevertheless, he puts the required effort into them, and the audience feels happy when he survives.
26th Apr '17 2:51:07 PM clarkd1486
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* RaceLift:
**In the superhero film featuring Batman, white actor Liam Neeson plays Ra's al Ghul, who is traditionally depicted in Batman comics to be of Arab descent
19th Apr '17 6:08:10 PM Animeking1108
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* DesignatedHero: As ''WebVideo/HonestTrailers'' pointed out, Bruce commits a lot of crimes in his pursuit of justice, including arson (burning down the League of Shadows dojo), vigilante interrogation, property damage (the aforementioned dojo arson, as well as many cars and buildings with the Tumbler), manslaughter (the people that died in the fire, including the [[spoiler: fake Ra's Al Ghul]], and MurderByInaction (leaving [[spoiler: the real Ra's Al Ghul for dead]]). This is something that is thankfully rectified in the sequels.
2nd Mar '17 7:02:26 AM NightShade96
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* BrokenBase: "I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or cruel decision that equals the same as murder?]]

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"I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or cruel decision that equals the same as murder?]]



* FirstInstallmentWins: Inverted; the movie's two sequels were what drew attention to ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''.

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* FirstInstallmentWins: FirstInstallmentWins:
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Inverted; the movie's two sequels were what drew attention to ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga''.''Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy''.



** Scarecrow seeing a demon Batman [[spoiler:after being dosed on his own fear gas]] also happened in ''Batman:TAS'', specifically his debut, "Nothing to Fear".

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** Scarecrow seeing a demon Batman [[spoiler:after being dosed on his own fear gas]] also happened in ''Batman:TAS'', ''Batman: TAS'', specifically his debut, "Nothing to Fear".



** Which is how we now know [[MemeticMutation Batman is responsible for Eddard Stark's death]].

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** *** Which is how we now know [[MemeticMutation Batman is responsible for Eddard Stark's death]].
20th Jan '17 2:57:36 AM NNinja
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* DesignatedLoveInterest: The general opinion towards Rachel Dawes.
2nd Nov '16 10:55:19 PM TheNewBig
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** The CEO who takes over Wayne Enterprises after Thomas & Martha's deaths can fall victim to this. Is he a {{Jerkass}} RegentForLife for refusing to hand the company over to Bruce; or is he justified in not handing the company over to Bruce, as young Master Wayne was pronounced dead ''several years ago'' and has no experience in the business world? Is he a {{Jerkass}} for firing Lucius Fox, or is he simply cutting costs by ditching a division that's losing them money? See InformedWrongness below as well.

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** The CEO who takes over Wayne Enterprises after Thomas & Martha's deaths can fall victim to this. Is he a {{Jerkass}} RegentForLife for refusing to hand the company over to Bruce; or is he justified in not handing the company over to Bruce, as young Master Wayne was pronounced dead ''several years ago'' and has no experience in the business world? Is he a {{Jerkass}} for firing Lucius Fox, or is he simply cutting costs by ditching a division that's losing them money? See InformedWrongness below as well.



** It should be noted, however, that despite not doing anything objectively ''wrong'' per se, he's still trying to lead the company down a path that Bruce obviously doesn't want for his father's legacy. Firing an employee simply for asking questions about something he's specifically been ''ordered to take care'' of was also a real dick move on his part.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Joe Chill seems to get this a lot, with many calling attention to the fact that he doesn't appear to actively ''enjoy'' his needless murder of a boy's parents in front of him, even going so far as to call the deaths an ''accident.'' Even ''if'' that could apply to Thomas, which, granted, is debatable, Martha's death was anything but unintentional.

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** It should be noted, however, that despite not doing anything objectively ''wrong'' per se, he's still trying to lead the company down a path that Bruce obviously doesn't want for his father's legacy. Firing an employee simply for asking questions about something he's specifically been ''ordered to take care'' of and then going so far as to ''taunt'' him about it was also a real dick move on his part.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Joe Chill seems to get this a lot, with many calling attention to the fact that saying he doesn't appear to deserves sympathy points for not actively ''enjoy'' ''enjoying'' his needless murder of a boy's parents in front of him, even going so far as to call the deaths an ''accident.'' Even ''if'' that could apply to Thomas, which, granted, is debatable, Martha's death was anything but unintentional.
2nd Nov '16 10:48:43 PM TheNewBig
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** And, perhaps most of all, whether Joe Chill genuinely meant it when he claimed to regret shooting Bruce's parents. Falcone claims Chill told him Thomas "begged like a dog", but is he to be believed?
23rd Aug '16 10:10:31 PM TimeLordVictorious
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** Averted with Creator/LiamNeeson as Henri Ducard/[[spoiler: Ra's Al Ghul.]] Liam Neeson already fit the mentor type due to usually playing good guys, [[spoiler: but gets a chance to show off his abilities to play the villain after TheReveal]].
23rd Aug '16 8:57:11 AM DeadlyAssassin
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* BrokenBase: "I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or cruel decision that equals the same as murder?[[note]]Though from a legal perspective, no, it isn't murder since he was trying to stop a highly dangerous terrorist attempting to set off a chemical weapon, he could have beaten him to a bloody pulp and snapped his neck, and the law likely would not have held him responsible if that's what Batman considered necessary to stop a dangerous madman.[[/note]] ]]

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* BrokenBase: "I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or cruel decision that equals the same as murder?[[note]]Though from a legal perspective, no, it isn't murder since he was trying to stop a highly dangerous terrorist attempting to set off a chemical weapon, he could have beaten him to a bloody pulp and snapped his neck, and the law likely would not have held him responsible if that's what Batman considered necessary to stop a dangerous madman.[[/note]] ]]murder?]]
8th Aug '16 6:34:06 PM TheNewBig
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* DesignatedHero: Batman's recklessness could rival Superman's in ''Film/ManOfSteel.'' His best solution to preventing an execution in the League of Shadows was to set the dojo on fire, killing [[spoiler:the fake Ra's Al Ghul and God knows how many other people]], he causes a lot of collateral damage with the Tumbler, and he [[spoiler:intentionally leaves Ra's Al Ghul for dead rather than arresting him]]. This is especially jarring, because the Batman in this film claimed to have a ThouShaltNotKill rule. This is something that thankfully gets better in ''Film/TheDarkKnight''.
* DesignatedVillain: William Earle, the Wayne Enterprises CEO. As [[http://www.centives.net/S/2012/the-ceo-wayne-enterprises-deserves/ Centives this article discusses]], most of the business decisions he makes during the film are perfectly legitimate, he seems to honestly care for the Wayne family but balances it with intelligent business management, and we have no evidence he's helping the villains or doing anything else illegal. The one wrong thing he does is fire Fox and try to cover up the paper trail linking the stolen microwave emitter to Wayne Enterprises, but that alone doesn't justify Bruce's decision to fire him without telling him.

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* DesignatedHero: Batman's recklessness could rival Superman's in ''Film/ManOfSteel.'' His best solution to preventing an execution in the League of Shadows was to set the dojo on fire, killing [[spoiler:the fake Ra's Al Ghul and God knows how many other people]], he causes a lot of collateral damage with the Tumbler, and he [[spoiler:intentionally leaves Ra's Al Ghul for dead rather than arresting him]]. This is especially jarring, because the Batman in this film claimed to have a ThouShaltNotKill rule. This is something that thankfully gets better in ''Film/TheDarkKnight''.
* DesignatedVillain: William Earle, the Wayne Enterprises CEO. As [[http://www.centives.net/S/2012/the-ceo-wayne-enterprises-deserves/ Centives this article discusses]], most of the business decisions he makes during the film are perfectly legitimate, he seems to honestly care for the Wayne family but balances it with intelligent business management, and we have no evidence he's helping the villains or doing anything else illegal. The one wrong thing he does is fire Fox and try to cover up the paper trail linking the stolen microwave emitter to Wayne Enterprises, but Enterprises.
** It should be noted, however,
that alone despite not doing anything objectively ''wrong'' per se, he's still trying to lead the company down a path that Bruce obviously doesn't justify Bruce's decision want for his father's legacy. Firing an employee simply for asking questions about something he's specifically been ''ordered to fire him without telling him.take care'' of was also a real dick move on his part.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Joe Chill seems to get this a lot, with many calling attention to the fact that he doesn't appear to actively ''enjoy'' his needless murder of a boy's parents in front of him, even going so far as to call the deaths an ''accident.'' Even ''if'' that could apply to Thomas, which, granted, is debatable, Martha's death was anything but unintentional.


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** Chill gunning down Martha Wayne simply for screaming.
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