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23rd May '16 8:00:22 PM Angeldeb82
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* BaseBreaker: Rachel Dawes. Is she the moral center of the film, and justified in [[spoiler:not dating Bruce until his time as Batman is done]], or a preachy PuritySue who seems to be in love with an idealization of Bruce, not the real man (and vice versa - Bruce is in love with an idealization of Rachel but not the woman herself)? This only upped with ''The Dark Knight''.

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* BaseBreaker: Rachel Dawes. Is she the moral center of the film, and justified in [[spoiler:not dating Bruce until his time as Batman is done]], or a preachy PuritySue Purity Sue who seems to be in love with an idealization of Bruce, not the real man (and vice versa - Bruce is in love with an idealization of Rachel but not the woman herself)? This only upped with ''The Dark Knight''.



* DesignatedHero: Batman's recklessness could rival Superman's in ''Film/ManOfSteel.'' His best solution to preventing an execution in the League of Shadows was to set the dojo on fire, killing [[spoiler: the fake Ra's Al Ghul and god knows how many other people]], he causes a lot of collateral damage with the Tumbler, and he [[spoiler: intentionally leaves Ra's Al Ghul for dead rather than arresting him]]. This is especially jarring, because the Batman in this film claimed to have a ThouShaltNotKill rule. This is something that thankfully gets better in ''Film/TheDarkKnight.''

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* DesignatedHero: Batman's recklessness could rival Superman's in ''Film/ManOfSteel.'' His best solution to preventing an execution in the League of Shadows was to set the dojo on fire, killing [[spoiler: the fake Ra's Al Ghul and god God knows how many other people]], he causes a lot of collateral damage with the Tumbler, and he [[spoiler: intentionally leaves Ra's Al Ghul for dead rather than arresting him]]. This is especially jarring, because the Batman in this film claimed to have a ThouShaltNotKill rule. This is something that thankfully gets better in ''Film/TheDarkKnight.''



-->-->'''Ducard''': Once I had a wife... my great love... she was ''[[{{Film/Taken}} taken]]'' from me.

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-->-->'''Ducard''': Once I had a wife... my great love... she was ''[[{{Film/Taken}} taken]]'' ''{{Film/taken}}'' from me.
20th Apr '16 8:07:32 AM GothicProphet
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* {{Narm}} Shane Rimmer's lines [[MrExposition as a water technician]] as Ra's Al Ghul's train hurtles towards him are perhaps the clunkiest and worst-written in the entire franchise. Fans of Podcast/RiffTrax can almost hear Mike say "got that audience?" in the background. Nevertheless, he puts the required effort into them, and the audience feels happy when he survives.

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* {{Narm}} {{Narm}}: Shane Rimmer's lines [[MrExposition as a water technician]] as Ra's Al Ghul's train hurtles towards him are perhaps the clunkiest and worst-written in the entire franchise. Fans of Podcast/RiffTrax can almost hear Mike say "got that audience?" in the background. Nevertheless, he puts the required effort into them, and the audience feels happy when he survives.
16th Apr '16 9:38:15 AM TrollBrutal
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* {{Narm}} Shane Rimmer's lines [[MrExposition as a water technician]] as Ra's Al Ghul's train hurtles towards him are perhaps the clunkiest and worst-written in the entire franchise. Fans of Podcast/RiffTrax can almost hear Mike say "got that audience?" in the background. Nevertheless, he puts the required effort into them, and the audience feels happy when he survives.
-->'''Old Water Technician:''' ''The pressure's coming straight for the main hub under Wayne Tower, and if that pressure reaches us, the whole water supply, right across the city is gonna blow!''
-->'''Old Water Technician:''' ''Evacuate the building. We're right on top of the main hub, and it's gonna blow!''



* TookTheBadFilmSeriously: Well, it's actually more a case of bad lines than bad film (the film itself happens to be a good start to a perfect trilogy), but Shane Rimmer's lines [[MrExposition as a water technician]] as Ra's Al Ghul's train hurtles towards him are perhaps the clunkiest and worst-written in the entire franchise. Fans of Podcast/RiffTrax can almost hear Mike say "got that audience?" in the background. Nevertheless, he puts the required effort into them, and the audience feels happy when he survives.
-->'''Old Water Technician:''' ''The pressure's coming straight for the main hub under Wayne Tower, and if that pressure reaches us, the whole water supply, right across the city is gonna blow!''
-->'''Old Water Technician:''' ''Evacuate the building. We're right on top of the main hub, and it's gonna blow!''
16th Apr '16 9:30:45 AM TrollBrutal
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* EarlyInstallmentWeirdness: Minor example. Many people are well aware of the odd, almost memetic, gravelly voice Christian Bale uses when Wayne is in his Batman persona. It's very pronounced in the two sequels, but if you watch this film, you'll see that Bale hardly uses the gravelly voice at all! He mostly only speaks in a slight whisper.
10th Jan '16 3:50:33 PM Dragon101
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* BrokenBase: "I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or cruel decision that equals the same as murder? [note]Though from a legal perspective, no it isn't murder- since he was trying to stop a highly dangerous terrorist attempting to set off a chemical weapon, he could have beaten him to a bloody pulp and snapped his neck and the law likely would not have held him responsible if that's what Batman considered necessary to stop a dangerous madman[/note] ]]

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* BrokenBase: "I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or cruel decision that equals the same as murder? [note]Though [[note]] Though from a legal perspective, no it isn't murder- since he was trying to stop a highly dangerous terrorist attempting to set off a chemical weapon, he could have beaten him to a bloody pulp and snapped his neck and the law likely would not have held him responsible if that's what Batman considered necessary to stop a dangerous madman[/note] madman [[/note]] ]]
10th Jan '16 3:49:37 PM Dragon101
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* BrokenBase: "I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or cruel decision that equals the same as murder?]]

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* BrokenBase: "I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or cruel decision that equals the same as murder?]]murder? [note]Though from a legal perspective, no it isn't murder- since he was trying to stop a highly dangerous terrorist attempting to set off a chemical weapon, he could have beaten him to a bloody pulp and snapped his neck and the law likely would not have held him responsible if that's what Batman considered necessary to stop a dangerous madman[/note] ]]
23rd Oct '15 2:14:08 PM Morgenthaler
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*** In answer to the first question, it is a pretty clear case of him covering his own ass. If he knows what Falcone intends to do to Rachel, then he is also an accessory to that crime. If he does not, he can claim that he though Falcone was just going to threaten her or something. That's why Falcone says "Yes you do. [Want to know]" He knows what Crane's up to, and wants him to share the risk.
*** "Yes you do" means that he recognizes that Crane is a {{Sadist}}. On the one hand Crane is GenreSavvy enough to know that the less he knows about what happens to Rachel Dawes, the less he has to lie about it later; on the other hand, Crane is a sick bastard who hates her and the idea that she died some horrible death makes him smile.
11th Oct '15 1:04:45 PM Mario1995
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* TheyJustDidntCare: Not to the film itself, but the Creator/ABCFamily promo falls into this entirely. The people who made the promo had a major case of ComicallyMissingThePoint with the much-maligned voice-over line "He fights for family, and lives for love." [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSe6tvfedb0 See for yourself]].
12th Aug '15 6:13:10 AM Animeking1108
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* DesignatedHero: Batman's recklessness could rival Superman's in ''Film/ManOfSteel.'' His best solution to preventing an execution in the League of Shadows was to set the dojo on fire, killing [[spoiler: the fake Ra's Al Ghul and god knows how many other people]], he causes a lot of collateral damage with the Tumbler, and he [[spoiler: intentionally leaves Ra's Al Ghul for dead rather than arresting him]]. This is something that thankfully gets better in ''Film/TheDarkKnight.''

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* DesignatedHero: Batman's recklessness could rival Superman's in ''Film/ManOfSteel.'' His best solution to preventing an execution in the League of Shadows was to set the dojo on fire, killing [[spoiler: the fake Ra's Al Ghul and god knows how many other people]], he causes a lot of collateral damage with the Tumbler, and he [[spoiler: intentionally leaves Ra's Al Ghul for dead rather than arresting him]]. This is especially jarring, because the Batman in this film claimed to have a ThouShaltNotKill rule. This is something that thankfully gets better in ''Film/TheDarkKnight.''
12th Aug '15 6:08:02 AM Animeking1108
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* DesignatedHero: Batman's recklessness could rival Superman's in ''Film/ManOfSteel.'' His best solution to preventing an execution in the League of Shadows was to set the dojo on fire, killing [[spoiler: the fake Ra's Al Ghul and god knows how many other people]], he causes a lot of collateral damage with the Tumbler, and he [[spoiler: intentionally leaves Ra's Al Ghul for dead rather than arresting him]]. This is something that thankfully gets better in ''Film/TheDarkKnight.''


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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: One major complaint about this movie is how the Scarecrow was treated. Despite being built up as a major threat, he [[spoiler: gets gassed by Batman and is last seen in the movie getting Tased by Rachel]].
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