History YMMV / BatmanBegins

13th May '18 4:59:36 AM jormis29
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** Linus Roache, who played Thomas Wayne, would go on to play [[Series/LawAndOrder Michael Cutter]].

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** Linus Roache, Creator/LinusRoache, who played Thomas Wayne, would go on to play [[Series/LawAndOrder Michael Cutter]].
6th May '18 12:38:05 AM Anicomicgeek
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* RaceLift:
** In the superhero film featuring Batman, white actor Liam Neeson plays Ra's al Ghul, who is traditionally depicted in Batman comics to be of Arab descent.
** In the comics, Commissioner Loeb is white. He is played by black British actor Colin [=MacFarlane=] in the film.
26th Feb '18 10:25:54 AM VisitorAlex
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** "I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or a cruel decision that equals the same as murder?]]



* BrokenBase: "I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or a cruel decision that equals the same as murder?]]
11th Feb '18 12:30:48 PM StardustSoldier
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Rachel Dawes. Is she the moral center of the film and justified in [[spoiler:not dating Bruce until his time as Batman is done]], or is she a preachy PuritySue who seems to be in love with an idealization of Bruce, not the real man (and vice versa Bruce is in love with an idealization of Rachel but not the woman herself)? This only upped with ''The Dark Knight''.
** It doesn't help that she's apparently meant to be a tough, crusading career woman but due to Katie Holmes feeling more like a high school cheerleader trying to hang out with the big kids, Rachel ends up feeling more like a naïve twit who's in way over her head.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Rachel Dawes. Is she the moral center of the film and justified in [[spoiler:not dating Bruce until his time as Batman is done]], or is she a preachy PuritySue character who seems to be in love with an idealization of Bruce, not the real man (and vice versa Bruce is in love with an idealization of Rachel but not the woman herself)? This only upped with ''The Dark Knight''.
** It doesn't help that she's apparently meant to be a tough, crusading career woman but due to Katie Holmes feeling more like a high school cheerleader trying to hang out with the big kids, Rachel ends up feeling more like a naïve twit who's in way over her head.
Knight''.
11th Feb '18 12:27:43 PM StardustSoldier
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* BrokenBase:
** "I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or cruel decision that equals the same as murder?]]
* CriticalDissonance: Despite an overall Website/RottenTomatoes approval rating of 85%, ''Batman Begins'' holds a rather mixed percentage of 62% from the site's Top Critics (i.e., main news publications and magazines), with critics jarred by the serious tone of the film (although some, like Creator/RogerEbert, gave the film rave reviews). Since then, the film has become highly regarded in light of the genre becoming more respected within the industry, particularly once people saw what ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' built on top of the foundation of ''Begins''.

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* BrokenBase:
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BrokenBase: "I won't kill you, [[spoiler:but I don't have to save you." Justified loophole to Batman's one rule, or a cruel decision that equals the same as murder?]]
* CriticalDissonance: Despite an overall Website/RottenTomatoes approval rating of 85%, ''Batman Begins'' holds a rather mixed percentage of 62% from the site's Top Critics (i.e., main news publications and magazines), with critics jarred by the serious tone of the film (although some, like Creator/RogerEbert, gave the film rave reviews). Since then, however, the film has become highly regarded in light of the genre becoming more respected within the industry, particularly once people saw what ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' built on top of the foundation of ''Begins''.
11th Feb '18 12:26:04 PM StardustSoldier
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* CriticalDissonance[=/=]VindicatedByHistory: Despite an overall Website/RottenTomatoes approval rating of 85%, ''Batman Begins'' holds a rather mixed percentage of 62% from the site's Top Critics (i.e., main news publications and magazines), with critics jarred by the serious tone of the film (although some, like Creator/RogerEbert, gave the film rave reviews). Since then, the film has become highly regarded in light of the genre becoming more respected within the industry, particularly once people saw what ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' built on top of the foundation of ''Begins''.

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* CriticalDissonance[=/=]VindicatedByHistory: CriticalDissonance: Despite an overall Website/RottenTomatoes approval rating of 85%, ''Batman Begins'' holds a rather mixed percentage of 62% from the site's Top Critics (i.e., main news publications and magazines), with critics jarred by the serious tone of the film (although some, like Creator/RogerEbert, gave the film rave reviews). Since then, the film has become highly regarded in light of the genre becoming more respected within the industry, particularly once people saw what ''Film/TheDarkKnight'' built on top of the foundation of ''Begins''.
21st Jan '18 4:43:44 PM DrakeClawfang
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* DesignatedVillain: William Earle, the Wayne Enterprises CEO. As [[http://www.centives.net/S/2012/the-ceo-wayne-enterprises-deserves/ Centives this article discusses]], most of the business decisions he makes during the film are perfectly legitimate, he seems to honestly care for the Wayne family but balances it with intelligent business management, and we have no evidence he's helping the villains or doing anything else illegal. The one wrong thing he does is fire Fox and try to cover up the paper trail linking the stolen microwave emitter to Wayne Enterprises.
** It should be noted, however, that despite not doing anything objectively ''wrong'' per se, he's still trying to lead the company down a path that Bruce obviously doesn't want for his father's legacy. Firing an employee simply for asking questions about something he's specifically been ''ordered to take care'' of and then going so far as to ''taunt'' him about it was also a real dick move on his part.

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* DesignatedVillain: William Earle, the Wayne Enterprises CEO. As [[http://www.centives.net/S/2012/the-ceo-wayne-enterprises-deserves/ Centives this article discusses]], most of the business decisions he makes during the film are perfectly legitimate, he seems to honestly care for the Wayne family but balances it with intelligent business management, and we have no evidence he's helping the villains or doing anything else illegal. However, he's doing things with the company that the Waynes would not have, so he's treated as an antagonist. The one objectively wrong thing he does is fire Fox Fox, taunt him over it, and try to cover up the paper trail linking the stolen microwave emitter to Wayne Enterprises.
** It should be noted, however, that despite not doing anything objectively ''wrong'' per se, he's still trying to lead the company down a path that Bruce obviously doesn't want for his father's legacy. Firing an employee simply for asking questions about something he's specifically been ''ordered to take care'' of and then going so far as to ''taunt'' him about it was also a real dick move on his part.
Enterprises.
19th Dec '17 4:05:07 AM CaellachTigerEye
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** The film itself isn't wholly clear on whether Joe Chill is a SympatheticMurderer: besides that his desperation was driving him, was the reason he couldn't look an adult Bruce in the eyes a sign of his penitence, just plain cowardice, or a mixture? And did he really claim that Thomas Wayne "Begged. Like a dog", or was that simply Falcone cruelly twisting the knife to try and break Bruce's resolve? On the flipside, the film does make clear that while Bruce's inability to forgive him isn't wrong, his attempt at ''vengeance'' for catharsis isn't an acceptable option.



** Chill gunning down Martha Wayne simply for screaming.

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** Chill gunning down Martha Wayne simply for screaming.screaming, and the murder of the Waynes in general; while the film still works to humanise him somewhat, it also makes clear that his actions ''are'' unforgivable and even Chill himself openly acknowledges this.
15th Sep '17 1:32:21 PM CaptainCrawdad
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** Depending on how you interpret some of Scarecrow's dialogue, he could be a case of EvenEvilHasStandards. When Falcone says there's "an answer" to idealistic prosecutors, Crane says he doesn't want to know. Is it indignation, or just fear of the potential consequences of knowing that information? When Ducard says that Crane thought the league's plan was to hold Gotham to ransom, does this mean he wouldn't have supported genocide, or that he only got involved because he saw something in it for him?
8th Sep '17 4:18:40 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* FirstInstallmentWins:
** Inverted; the movie's two sequels were what drew attention to ''Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy''.
** Played straight for those who felt underwhelmed by the sequels' lacks of gritty atmosphere that was noticable in ''Begins''.
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