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Flamebait now.
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* UnfortunateImplications: A lot of the implications of Wanda becoming [[HystericalWoman insane and irrational]] when she learns of her lost children. [[http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4427/the-problem-of-the-scarlet-witch-when-bad-girls-go-good-but-not-for-good/ An article published soon after the story ran]] identified five different unfortunate implications.
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* UnfortunateImplications: A lot of the implications of Wanda becoming [[HystericalWoman insane and irrational]] when she learns of her lost children. [[http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4427/the-problem-of-the-scarlet-witch-when-bad-girls-go-good-but-not-for-good/ An article published soon after the story ran]] identified five different unfortunate implications.
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* UnfortunateImplications: A lot of the implications of Wanda becoming [[HystericalWoman insane and irrational]] when she learns of her lost children. [[http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4427/the-problem-of-the-scarlet-witch-when-bad-girls-go-good-but-not-for-good/ An article published soon after the story ran]] identified five different unfortunate implications.implications.
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* BrokenBase: With this story, NothingIsTheSameAnymore and Bendis began a series of heavy changes to the Avengers. Those changes were highly controversial: Some people liked them, because they removed the Avengers from the eternal shadow of the X-Men and Spider-Man franchises and placed them at the center of the Marvel Universe. Other people hated the changes, as the characterization of Wanda had little in common with the beloved ComicBook/KurtBusieksAvengers.
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* BrokenBase: With this story, NothingIsTheSameAnymore and Bendis began a series of heavy changes to the Avengers. Those changes were highly controversial: Some people liked them, because they removed the Avengers from the eternal shadow of the X-Men and Spider-Man franchises and placed them at the center of the Marvel Universe. Other people hated the changes, as the characterization of Wanda had little in common with the beloved ComicBook/KurtBusieksAvengers.[[ComicBook/TheAvengersKurtBusiek Kurt Busiek era]].
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Explain the reason for each side to love or hate the story. Without it it is a ZCE.
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* BrokenBase: With this story, NothingIsTheSameAnymore and Bendis began a series of heavy changes to the Avengers. Those changes were highly controversial: Some people liked them, and some people ''hated'' them.
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* BrokenBase: With this story, NothingIsTheSameAnymore and Bendis began a series of heavy changes to the Avengers. Those changes were highly controversial: Some people liked them, because they removed the Avengers from the eternal shadow of the X-Men and some Spider-Man franchises and placed them at the center of the Marvel Universe. Other people ''hated'' them.hated the changes, as the characterization of Wanda had little in common with the beloved ComicBook/KurtBusieksAvengers.
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In-universe example, already listed in main page
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** A drunk Tony Stark yells at Hank Pym: "Don't you have a wife to beat!?"
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* UnfortunateImplications: A lot of the implications of Wanda becoming [[HystericalWoman insane and irrational]] when she learns of her lost children. [[http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4427/the-problem-of-the-scarlet-witch-when-bad-girls-go-good-but-not-for-good/ An article published soon after the story ran]] identified five different unfortunate implications.
* WhatAnIdiot: Hawkeye's quiver of exploding Arrows is set on fire and is about to explode.
--> '''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him unarmed.
--> '''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice by doing a TakingYouWithMe and is killed.
* WhatAnIdiot: Hawkeye's quiver of exploding Arrows is set on fire and is about to explode.
--> '''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him unarmed.
--> '''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice by doing a TakingYouWithMe and is killed.
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* UnfortunateImplications: A lot of the implications of Wanda becoming [[HystericalWoman insane and irrational]] when she learns of her lost children. [[http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4427/the-problem-of-the-scarlet-witch-when-bad-girls-go-good-but-not-for-good/ An article published soon after the story ran]] identified five different unfortunate implications.
* WhatAnIdiot: Hawkeye's quiver of exploding Arrows is set on fire and is about to explode.
--> '''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him unarmed.
--> '''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice by doing a TakingYouWithMe and is killed.implications.
* WhatAnIdiot: Hawkeye's quiver of exploding Arrows is set on fire and is about to explode.
--> '''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him unarmed.
--> '''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice by doing a TakingYouWithMe and is killed.
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* HilariousInHindsight: This story was partly designed to clear out some of the supporting ''Avengers'' characters to make room for more popular characters. The story killed Vision, Hawkeye and Scott Lang, and made Scarlet Witch the bad guy. A decade later, all four of these characters would become heavily featured in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, making them more popular
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* HilariousInHindsight: This story was partly designed to clear out some of the supporting ''Avengers'' characters to make room for more popular characters. The story killed Vision, Hawkeye and Scott Lang, and made Scarlet Witch the bad guy. A decade later, all four of these characters would become heavily featured in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, making them more popular and famous than some of the characters who replaced them.
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Must explain why it wasn't seen as a problem at first.
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* HilariousInHindsight: This story was partly designed to clear out some of the supporting ''Avengers'' characters to make room for more popular characters. The story killed Vision, Hawkeye and Scott Lang, and made Scarlet Witch the bad guy. A decade later, all four of these characters would become heavily featured in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, making them more popular than many of the characters who replaced them.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: This event is seen by many as the catalyst for a lot of Marvel's DarkerAndEdgier storylines in the future. After this event, CrisisCrossover would become a staple for the franchise, occurring almost every year. Not only that, majority of future conflicts would end up becoming a Hero vs Hero event from one crisis to another such as ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen''.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: This event is seen by many as the catalyst for a lot of Marvel's DarkerAndEdgier storylines in the future. After this event, CrisisCrossover would become a staple for the franchise, occurring almost every year. Not only that, majority of future conflicts would end up becoming a Hero vs Hero event from one crisis to another such as ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen''.
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* HilariousInHindsight: This story was partly designed to clear out some of the supporting ''Avengers'' characters to make room for more popular characters. The story killed Vision, Hawkeye and Scott Lang, and made Scarlet Witch the bad guy. A decade later, all four of these characters would become heavily featured in the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, making them more popular than many of the characters who replaced them.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: This event is seen by many as the catalyst for a lot of Marvel's DarkerAndEdgier storylines in the future. After this event, CrisisCrossover would become a staple for the franchise, occurring almost every year. Not only that, majority of future conflicts would end up becoming a Hero vs Hero event from one crisis to another such as ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen''.
* FranchiseOriginalSin: This event is seen by many as the catalyst for a lot of Marvel's DarkerAndEdgier storylines in the future. After this event, CrisisCrossover would become a staple for the franchise, occurring almost every year. Not only that, majority of future conflicts would end up becoming a Hero vs Hero event from one crisis to another such as ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen''.
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* MemeticMutation: Hawkeye screaming "Not like this!! Not like this!!" just prior to his death became a meme for a while.
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Poor Jack of Hearts, he did not deserve to die that way. Poor Scott Lang, he did not deserve to die that way. No, wait a moment. Let's better say that again, but only for Scott.
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Poor Jack of Hearts, he did not Hearts and Scott Lang really didn't deserve to die that way. Poor Scott Lang, he did not deserve to die that way. No, wait a moment. Let's better say that again, but only for Scott. way.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Hawkeye's quiver of exploding Arrows is set on fire and is about to explode.\\
'''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him unarmed.\\
'''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice by doing a TakingYouWithMe and is killed.\\
'''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him unarmed.\\
'''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice by doing a TakingYouWithMe and is killed.\\
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* WhatAnIdiot: Hawkeye's quiver of exploding Arrows is set on fire and is about to explode.\\
explode.
--> '''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves himunarmed.\\
unarmed.
--> '''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice by doing a TakingYouWithMe and is killed.\\
--> '''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him
--> '''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice by doing a TakingYouWithMe and is killed.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: This event is seen by many as the catalyst for a lot of Marvel's DarkerAndEdgier storylines in the future. After this event, CrisisCrossover would become a staple for the franchise, occurring almost every year. Not only that, majority of future conflicts would end up becoming a Hero vs Hero event from one crisis to another such as ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' and ''ComicBook/AvengersVsXMen''.
** Hawkeye's StupidSacrifice has become one for him. After he comes back, a lot of his friends bring up how stupid it was of him to do that. Even Deadpool [[TakeThat mocks him]] indirectly for it in his own story.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Hawkeye's quiver of exploding Arrows is set on fire.
'''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him unarmed.
'''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice and is killed.
'''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him unarmed.
'''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice and is killed.
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* WhatAnIdiot: Hawkeye's quiver of exploding Arrows is set on fire.
fire and is about to explode.\\
'''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves himunarmed.
unarmed.\\
'''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice by doing a TakingYouWithMe and is killed.\\
'''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him
'''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice by doing a TakingYouWithMe and is killed.\\
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* UnfortunateImplications: A lot of the implications of Wanda becoming [[HystericalWoman insane and irrational]] when she learns of her lost children. [[http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4427/the-problem-of-the-scarlet-witch-when-bad-girls-go-good-but-not-for-good/ An article published soon after the story ran]] identified five different unfortunate implications.
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* UnfortunateImplications: A lot of the implications of Wanda becoming [[HystericalWoman insane and irrational]] when she learns of her lost children. [[http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4427/the-problem-of-the-scarlet-witch-when-bad-girls-go-good-but-not-for-good/ An article published soon after the story ran]] identified five different unfortunate implications.implications.
*WhatAnIdiot: Hawkeye's quiver of exploding Arrows is set on fire.
'''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him unarmed.
'''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice and is killed.
*WhatAnIdiot: Hawkeye's quiver of exploding Arrows is set on fire.
'''You'd expect:''' Him to ''simply take the quiver off'' and run clear, surviving, even if it leaves him unarmed.
'''Instead:''' He commits a StupidSacrifice and is killed.
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Poor Jack of Heart's, he did not deserve to die that way. Poor Scott Lang, he did not deserve to die that way. No, wait a moment. Let's better say that again, but only for Scott.
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Poor Jack of Heart's, Hearts, he did not deserve to die that way. Poor Scott Lang, he did not deserve to die that way. No, wait a moment. Let's better say that again, but only for Scott.
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* HilariousInHindsight: This story was partly designed to clear out some of the supporting ''Avengers'' characters to make room for more popular characters. The story killed Vision, Hawkeye and Scott Lang, and made Scarlet Witch the bad guy. A decade later, all four of these characters would become heavily featured in the MarvelCinematicUniverse, making them more popular than many of the characters who replaced them.
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* HilariousInHindsight: This story was partly designed to clear out some of the supporting ''Avengers'' characters to make room for more popular characters. The story killed Vision, Hawkeye and Scott Lang, and made Scarlet Witch the bad guy. A decade later, all four of these characters would become heavily featured in the MarvelCinematicUniverse, Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, making them more popular than many of the characters who replaced them.
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* HilariousInHindsight: This story was partly designed to clear out some of the supporting ''Avengers'' characters to make room for more popular characters. The story killed Vision, Hawkeye and Scott Lang, and made Scarlet Witch the bad guy. A decade later, all four of these characters would become heavily featured in the MarvelCinematicUniverse, making them more popular than many of the characters who replaced them.
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* BrokenBase: With this story, NothingIsTheSameAnymore and Bendis began a series of heavy changes to the Avengers. Those changes were highly conroversial, some people liked them, and some people hated them.
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* BrokenBase: With this story, NothingIsTheSameAnymore and Bendis began a series of heavy changes to the Avengers. Those changes were highly conroversial, some controversial: Some people liked them, and some people hated ''hated'' them.
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\"critical research failure\" is for general knowledge, not for continuity
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* CriticalResearchFailure: The {{Continuity Snarl}}s wouldn't have happened had Creator/BrianMichaelBendis bothered to do the research on continuity--but that would've meant this story either not happening at all or at least in the form in did happen given one of those snarls was Wanda remembering her sons.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: The {{Continuity Snarl}}s wouldn't have happened had Creator/BrianMichaelBendis bothered to do the research on continuity--but that would've meant this story not happening at all or at least in the form in did happen given one of those snarls was Wanda remembering her sons.
* NeverLiveItDown: Besides the invoked cases, do we need to be reminded, ''once again'', that the Scarlet Witch was an "important" member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? 50 years ago, blackmailed into the group, left it at the first chance she got (after 2 or 3 adventures), but as they say, "Once an evil mutant..."
* NeverLiveItDown: Besides the invoked cases, do we need to be reminded, ''once again'', that the Scarlet Witch was an "important" member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? 50 years ago, blackmailed into the group, left it at the first chance she got (after 2 or 3 adventures), but as they say, "Once an evil mutant..."
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* CriticalResearchFailure: The {{Continuity Snarl}}s wouldn't have happened had Creator/BrianMichaelBendis bothered to do the research on continuity--but that would've meant this story either not happening at all or at least in the form in did happen given one of those snarls was Wanda remembering her sons.
*NeverLiveItDown: NeverLiveItDown:
** Besides the invoked cases, do we need to be reminded, ''once again'', that the Scarlet Witch was an "important" member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? 50 years ago, blackmailed into the group, left it at the first chance she got (after 2 or 3 adventures), but as they say, "Once an evil mutant..."
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** Besides the invoked cases, do we need to be reminded, ''once again'', that the Scarlet Witch was an "important" member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? 50 years ago, blackmailed into the group, left it at the first chance she got (after 2 or 3 adventures), but as they say, "Once an evil mutant..."
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* CriticalResearchFailure: The {{Continuity Snarl}}s wouldn't have happened had Creator/BrianMichaelBendis bothered to do the research on continuity--but that would've meant this story not happening at all or at elast in the form in did happen given one of those snarls was Wanda remembering her sons.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: The {{Continuity Snarl}}s wouldn't have happened had Creator/BrianMichaelBendis bothered to do the research on continuity--but that would've meant this story not happening at all or at elast least in the form in did happen given one of those snarls was Wanda remembering her sons.
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* CriticalResearchFailure: The {{Continuity Snarl}}s wouldn't have happened had Creator/BrianMichaelBendis bothered to do the research on continuity--but that would've meant this story not happening at all or at elast in the form in did happen given one of those snarls was Wanda remembering her sons.
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** A drunk Tony Stark yells at Hank Pym: "Don't you have a wife to beat!?"
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Unusually, Idiot Ball isn\'t listed as a YMMV trope. Moving.
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* IdiotBall: Writer John Rogers actually helped [[TropeCodifier popularize this term]] in [[http://kfmonkey.blogspot.ca/2005/02/comics-womb-crazy.html a blog post about this very storyline]]. Notable examples include Hawkeye having no way other than suicide to keep his trick arrows from killing everyone around him; Dr. Strange not knowing what happened to Wanda's children even though he delivered them himself; and finally the Avengers' decision to let Wanda's terrorist supervillain father take her away at the end.
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* IdiotBall: Writer John Rogers actually helped [[TropeCodifier popularize this term]] in [[http://kfmonkey.blogspot.ca/2005/02/comics-womb-crazy.html a blog post about this very storyline]]. Notable examples include Hawkeye having no way other than suicide to keep his trick arrows from exploding; Dr. Strange not knowing what happened to Wanda's children even though he delivered them himself; and finally the Avengers' decision to let Wanda's terrorist supervillain father take her away at the end.
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* IdiotBall: Writer John Rogers actually helped [[TropeCodifier popularize this term]] in [[http://kfmonkey.blogspot.ca/2005/02/comics-womb-crazy.html a blog post about this very storyline]]. Notable examples include Hawkeye having no way other than suicide to keep his trick arrows from exploding; killing everyone around him; Dr. Strange not knowing what happened to Wanda's children even though he delivered them himself; and finally the Avengers' decision to let Wanda's terrorist supervillain father take her away at the end.
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* UnfortunateImplications: A lot of the implications of Wanda becoming [[HystericalWoman insane and irrational]] when she learns of her lost children. [[http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4427/the-problem-of-the-scarlet-witch-when-bad-girls-go-good-but-not-for-good/ An article published soon after the story ran]] identified five different unfortunate implications of this story.
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* UnfortunateImplications: A lot of the implications of Wanda becoming [[HystericalWoman insane and irrational]] when she learns of her lost children. [[http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4427/the-problem-of-the-scarlet-witch-when-bad-girls-go-good-but-not-for-good/ An article published soon after the story ran]] identified five different unfortunate implications of this story.implications.
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* NeverLiveItDown: Besides the invoked cases, do we need to be reminded, ''once again'', that the Scarlet Witch was an "important" member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? 50 years ago, blackmailed into the group, left it at the first chance she got (after 2 or 3 adventures), but as they say, "Once an evil mutant..."
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* IdiotBall: Writer John Rogers actually helped [[TropeCodifier popularize this term]] in [[http://kfmonkey.blogspot.ca/2005/02/comics-womb-crazy.html a blog post about this very storyline]]. Notable examples include Hawkeye having no way other than suicide to keep his trick arrows from exploding; Dr. Strange not knowing what happened to Wanda's children even though he delivered them himself; and finally the Avengers' decision to let Wanda's terrorist supervillain father take her away at the end.
* NeverLiveItDown: Besides the invoked cases, do we need to be reminded, ''once again'', that the Scarlet Witch was an "important" member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? 50 years ago, blackmailed into the group, left it at the first chance she got (after 2 or 3 adventures), but as they say, "Once an evil mutant...""
* UnfortunateImplications: A lot of the implications of Wanda becoming [[HystericalWoman insane and irrational]] when she learns of her lost children. [[http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4427/the-problem-of-the-scarlet-witch-when-bad-girls-go-good-but-not-for-good/ An article published soon after the story ran]] identified five different unfortunate implications of this story.
* NeverLiveItDown: Besides the invoked cases, do we need to be reminded, ''once again'', that the Scarlet Witch was an "important" member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? 50 years ago, blackmailed into the group, left it at the first chance she got (after 2 or 3 adventures), but as they say, "Once an evil mutant...
* UnfortunateImplications: A lot of the implications of Wanda becoming [[HystericalWoman insane and irrational]] when she learns of her lost children. [[http://www.comicsbulletin.com/columns/4427/the-problem-of-the-scarlet-witch-when-bad-girls-go-good-but-not-for-good/ An article published soon after the story ran]] identified five different unfortunate implications of this story.
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Poor Jack of Hearths, he did not deserve to die that way. Poor Scott Lang, he did not deserve to die that way. No, wait a moment. Let's better say that again, but only for Scott.
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Poor Jack of Hearths, Heart's, he did not deserve to die that way. Poor Scott Lang, he did not deserve to die that way. No, wait a moment. Let's better say that again, but only for Scott.
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* BrokenBase: With this story, NothingIsTheSameAnymore and Bendis began a series of heavy changes to the Avengers. Those changes were highly conroversial, some people liked them, and some people hated them.
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* BrokenBase: With this story, NothingIsTheSameAnymore and Bendis began a series of heavy changes to the Avengers. Those changes were highly conroversial, some people liked them, and some people hated them.them.
* NeverLiveItDown: Besides the invoked cases, do we need to be reminded, ''once again'', that the Scarlet Witch was an "important" member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? 50 years ago, blackmailed into the group, left it at the first chance she got (after 2 or 3 adventures), but as they say, "Once an evil mutant..."
* NeverLiveItDown: Besides the invoked cases, do we need to be reminded, ''once again'', that the Scarlet Witch was an "important" member of the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants? 50 years ago, blackmailed into the group, left it at the first chance she got (after 2 or 3 adventures), but as they say, "Once an evil mutant..."
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Poor Jack of Hearths, he did not deserve to die that way. Poor Scott Lang, he did not deserve to die that way. No, wait a moment. Let's better say that again, but only for Scott.
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