History YMMV / Arrow

8th Feb '16 3:26:58 PM NNinja
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Moral Event Horizon CANNOT be crossed twice, let alone three times. You crossed it, then you're irredeemable, end of discussion.
** And for those audience members who were suckered into thinking Malcolm had redeemed himself by taking in Thea, [[spoiler: he recrosses and then obliterates the MEH by brainwashing Thea into killing Sara and forcing Oliver's hand to save his cowardly butt from Ra's al Ghul.]] ** And if you ''still'' think he's finally redeemed himself by season 4, especially after saving the team in the season 3 finale, he once again sails over the line by [[spoiler: planning to resurrect Vandal Savage, an immortal mass murderer who, as the ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'' trailers show, will only get ''much'' worse down the line.]]
6th Feb '16 3:38:45 AM Silverblade2
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Trivia
* DieForOurShip[=/=]ShipToShipCombat: Between the three most prominent women in Oliver's life, there's some serious hate being tossed towards them from fans of the others.
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* DieForOurShip[=/=]ShipToShipCombat: DieForOurShip: Between the three most prominent women in Oliver's life, there's some serious hate being tossed towards them from fans of the others.

* IKnewIt: Who didn't see [[spoiler:The Calculator being revealed as Felicity's father]] coming?
4th Feb '16 10:20:46 PM NSlayton5
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* IKnewIt: Who didn't see [[spoiler:The Calculator being revealed as Felicity's father]] coming?
4th Feb '16 3:42:19 PM VeryMelon
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** A good chunk of the reason that Season 3 suffers SeasonalRot are the PacingProblems- elaborated in [[http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/05/20/arrow-season-3-review IGN's review of the season as a whole]]: *** Firstly, however you might [[BuryYourGays feel]] [[UnfortunateImplications about]] [[spoiler:Sara Lance's]] [[StuffedInTheFridge death]] and [[DroppedABridgeOnHim how it]] [[BackForTheDead was handled]], it took place in Episode 1 and the mystery took ''eight episodes'' to resolve; this had the unfortunate domino effect of delaying Ra's al Ghul's emergence of the BigBad beyond cameos. It also means that the CliffHanger with [[spoiler:Oliver's apparent death]] happened right before the show went on a six-week hiatus, which made the [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot quick resolution]] to it (including the AssPull that [[spoiler:he survived a massive fall due to "determination and will"]]) a WriterCopOut - something that would be averted if it occurred 2 or 3 episodes sooner. *** Secondly, the crossover with ''Series/TheFlash2014'' across the two shows, which could have happened 2-4 episodes earlier without damaging the pacing of the spin-off and also complying with the above pacing issues. *** Thirdly, this also led to wasted potential in terms of exploring Starling City and Team Arrow [[spoiler:trying to move on from his "death"]], which only took 3 episodes and thus didn't have the time to be explored in greater depth. The Brick arc was well-timed overall as it helped Laurel's StoryArc, and was a fresh change of pace for the story, but ending on episode 12 means that over half the season is over with little progress on the main story arc - ending on episode 10 or 11 would have given more breathing room, especially if {{Filler}} were cut down on. *** Fourth, the subsequent arcs of Malcolm training Oliver and Ra's al Ghul [[spoiler:framing him for murder]], as a collective, themselves take up too much time (7 episodes overall) - more than is necessary to start with, but also further dragging down the narrative. In particular, Quentin Lance [[spoiler:turning on Oliver]] doesn't could have been cut down an episode or two, made worse by the character dropping off the radar until the season finale. Furthering ''that'' issue, [[ArrowS3E14TheReturn a pair]] [[ArrowS3E17SuicidalTendencies of episodes]] during this time force the main narrative to take a backseat (to Slade Wilson and the Suicide Squad, respectively), which only contributes to the sense of ArcFatigue and DarknessInducedAudienceApathy. *** Finally, all these factors combined give the last arc - which features [[spoiler:Oliver as Al Sah-him]] - barely any time to be developed or breath in the final 4 episodes, the final product feeling like a rushed conclusion that doesn't even fully resolve or answer all necessary questions (complete with an AntiClimaxBoss in Ra's al Ghul, whose plan isn't fleshed out enough to make sense in context). Compound this with a tedious flashback arc - that suffers ArcFatigue due to not having enough narrative on it - and it definitely feels like the show is suffering from its own set of growing pains.

* PacingProblems: A good chunk of the reason that Season 3 suffers SeasonalRot - elaborated in [[http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/05/20/arrow-season-3-review IGN's review of the season as a whole]]: ** Firstly, however you might [[BuryYourGays feel]] [[UnfortunateImplications about]] [[spoiler:Sara Lance's]] [[StuffedInTheFridge death]] and [[DroppedABridgeOnHim how it]] [[BackForTheDead was handled]], it took place in Episode 1 and the mystery took ''eight episodes'' to resolve; this had the unfortunate domino effect of delaying Ra's al Ghul's emergence of the BigBad beyond cameos. It also means that the CliffHanger with [[spoiler:Oliver's apparent death]] happened right before the show went on a six-week hiatus, which made the [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot quick resolution]] to it (including the AssPull that [[spoiler:he survived a massive fall due to "determination and will"]]) a WriterCopOut - something that would be averted if it occurred 2 or 3 episodes sooner. ** Secondly, the crossover with ''Series/TheFlash2014'' across the two shows, which could have happened 2-4 episodes earlier without damaging the pacing of the spin-off and also complying with the above pacing issues. ** Thirdly, this also led to wasted potential in terms of exploring Starling City and Team Arrow [[spoiler:trying to move on from his "death"]], which only took 3 episodes and thus didn't have the time to be explored in greater depth. The Brick arc was well-timed overall as it helped Laurel's StoryArc, and was a fresh change of pace for the story, but ending on episode 12 means that over half the season is over with little progress on the main story arc - ending on episode 10 or 11 would have given more breathing room, especially if {{Filler}} were cut down on. ** Fourth, the subsequent arcs of Malcolm training Oliver and Ra's al Ghul [[spoiler:framing him for murder]], as a collective, themselves take up too much time (7 episodes overall) - more than is necessary to start with, but also further dragging down the narrative. In particular, Quentin Lance [[spoiler:turning on Oliver]] doesn't could have been cut down an episode or two, made worse by the character dropping off the radar until the season finale. Furthering ''that'' issue, [[ArrowS3E14TheReturn a pair]] [[ArrowS3E17SuicidalTendencies of episodes]] during this time force the main narrative to take a backseat (to Slade Wilson and the Suicide Squad, respectively), which only contributes to the sense of ArcFatigue and DarknessInducedAudienceApathy. ** Finally, all these factors combined give the last arc - which features [[spoiler:Oliver as Al Sah-him]] - barely any time to be developed or breath in the final 4 episodes, the final product feeling like a rushed conclusion that doesn't even fully resolve or answer all necessary questions (complete with an AntiClimaxBoss in Ra's al Ghul, whose plan isn't fleshed out enough to make sense in context). Compound this with a tedious flashback arc - that suffers ArcFatigue due to not having enough narrative on it - and it definitely feels like the show is suffering from its own set of growing pains.
3rd Feb '16 1:58:48 PM ApolloThunderflame
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** And then there's [[spoiler: her being paralysed from the waist down following an attack by the Ghosts]], which seems that it mostly served as a means to make her ''more'' like [[ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey Oracle]], something which, though praised by some who want to see a character like Oracle appear on screen in order to provide representation for [[spoiler: handicap viewers]], while others feel its rather degrading and insulting to act like Oracle's disability is what's important about her character rather than her ability to overcome it [[note]]Barbara Gorgon became Oracle after she was paralysed, as a way to redirect her skills in a manner which made her just as useful, if not more so, than she was as Batgirl; Felicity, meanwhile, was already the computer person, and thus, doesn't 'need' to go through such a change to make her useful in that regard. As a result, it ends up mostly as just a shocking reveal.[[/note]]
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** And then there's [[spoiler: her being paralysed from the waist down following an attack by the Ghosts]], which seems that it mostly served as a means to make her ''more'' like [[ComicBook/BirdsOfPrey Oracle]], something which, though praised by some who want to see a character like Oracle appear on screen in order to provide representation for [[spoiler: handicap viewers]], while others feel its rather degrading and insulting to act like Oracle's disability is what's important about her character rather than her ability to overcome it [[note]]Barbara Gorgon Gordon became Oracle after she was paralysed, as a way to redirect her skills in a manner which made her just as useful, if not more so, than she was as Batgirl; Felicity, meanwhile, was already the computer person, and thus, doesn't 'need' to go through such a change to make her useful in that regard. As a result, it ends up mostly as just a shocking reveal.[[/note]]
29th Jan '16 2:26:49 PM Larfleeze
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It isn't ALL members of the League. Only the one to become Ra's had to destroy their hometown.
** The reveal that to join the League of Assassins one must destroy their home town and go through brainwashing to remove individuality. Though it gave reason for why Oliver couldn't just become Ra's and remodel the League into a non-lethal world-wide vigilante force as Ra's previously suggested, it completely contradicts a lot of what we know about the previous League initiates (neither Sara nor Malcolm underwent either of these, given they both retained their individual personalities and feelings), and it raises the question as to why the League wanted Malcolm's head for destroying the Glades when that's supposedly ''exactly what they want initiates to do in the first place''.
27th Jan '16 10:00:41 PM ablackraptor
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Its YMMV; not all fans will feel that way so don't speak for all of them.
** Many fans complained that the Season 3 flashbacks in Hong Kong were boring and didn't seem necessary to the plot, so come Season 4 Flashback! Oliver [[spoiler: being forced back to Lian Yu for an ARGUS mission under orders from Amanda Waller.]] Though this one didn't actually take at all, as just about all the fans quickly started calling it the worst flashback storyline so all, and severely suffering from having no clear connection to the present day story beyond letting the show retcon John Constantine into the 'verse.
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** Many fans complained that the Season 3 flashbacks in Hong Kong were boring and didn't seem necessary to the plot, so come Season 4 Flashback! Oliver [[spoiler: being forced back to Lian Yu for an ARGUS mission under orders from Amanda Waller.]] Though this one didn't actually take at all, as just about all the many fans quickly started calling it the worst flashback storyline so all, and severely suffering from having no clear connection to the present day story beyond letting the show retcon John Constantine into the 'verse.
27th Jan '16 7:14:55 PM mlsmithca
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* MagnumOpus: Season 2 is hailed as the best season by most of the fanbase for a variety of reasons: Oliver taking up the ThouShaltNotKill mantle, abandoning season 1's practice of confining comic book characters to one-shot appearances or EasterEgg[=s=] and introducing a slew of comic characters, making the transition from realism to a more fantastical feel relatively smoothly, the incredible amount of world-building, the raised emphasis on humor, or setting up Arsenal and Deathstroke.
24th Jan '16 3:42:52 PM nombretomado
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** Isabel Rochev, but being played by SummerGlau will do that. This started to reverse itself with her reveal as Ravager, due to her entire motivation being little more then petty revenge against a dead man.
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** Isabel Rochev, but being played by SummerGlau Creator/SummerGlau will do that. This started to reverse itself with her reveal as Ravager, due to her entire motivation being little more then petty revenge against a dead man.
22nd Jan '16 11:40:37 AM Animeking1108
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** If Lonnie Machin didn't cross it when [[spoiler: he tortured the girl he kidnapped even though he had no reason to keep her in his clutches]], then he definitely crossed it when he [[spoiler: tried to kill Damian Dahrk's wife and daughter as revenge for firing him]].
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