History YMMV / Arrow

26th Jun '17 7:30:19 PM DustSnitch
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* UnexpectedCharacter: John Constantine, a magical DC character from a cancelled show on another network, appears in the fourth season to introduce magic to a show mainly concerned with [[BadassNormal Badass Normal]]s.

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John Constantine, a magical DC character from a cancelled show on another network, appears in the fourth season to introduce magic to a show mainly concerned with [[BadassNormal Badass Normal]]s.Normal]]s.
** It was assumed Nyssa was the permanent stand-in for Talia al-Ghul in the Series/{{Arrowverse}}, since Nyssa took Talia's role as Heir to the Demon, a foe-romantic interest of the hero, and one of the world's assassins. Then, three seasons after Nyssa first appeared, Talia popped into the show long after the League of Assassins had lost relevance.
26th Jun '17 7:08:42 PM DustSnitch
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* UnexpectedCharacter: John Constantine, a magical DC character from a cancelled show on another network, appears in the fourth season to introduce magic to a show mainly concerned with [[BadassNormal Badass Normal]]s.
22nd Jun '17 10:52:10 PM Snowy66
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** "Curtis' balls."[[note]]The name Rene uses to describe Mr. Terrific's T-Spheres became a hit.[[/note]]

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** "Curtis' balls."[[note]]The name nickname Rene uses to describe Mr. Terrific's T-Spheres became a hit.[[/note]]



** "I did X because I WANTED TO! AND I LIKED IT!". Following "Kapushion", and Oliver's [[spoiler: confession to Prometheus that he, unknown to everyone, himself included, enjoys or enjoyed killing.]]

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*** This meme then lead to comparisons with Savitar over on ''Series/TheFlash2014'' who characters say is "one step ahead".
** "I did X because I WANTED TO! AND I LIKED IT!". Following [[note]]Following "Kapushion", and Oliver's [[spoiler: confession to Prometheus that he, unknown to everyone, himself included, enjoys or enjoyed killing.]]]][[/note]]
22nd Jun '17 7:51:35 AM Rebu
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*** In "Honor Thy Fathers", [[spoiler:Chase appears almost literally ten steps ahead of Oliver, on a staircase, just like the meme.]]

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*** ** In "Honor Thy Fathers", [[spoiler:Chase appears almost literally ten steps ahead of Oliver, on a staircase, just like the meme.]]
17th Jun '17 11:26:40 PM lalaTKG
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** As of the 100th episode is [[spoiler:Oliver still in love with Laurel? While it makes sense in his version of a perfect world that he never went on the boat and never became a vigilante with his parents alive, it's notable that in the perfect world the simulation gives him, he's engaged to Laurel and not Felicity. Even after he understands that the world is fake, and after he says his goodbyes to his parents, when the goodbye comes to Laurel, he is shown to be reluctant to go. He tells her that he loves her, and that she deserved better then him. When he goes to leave, he looks back for a few seconds as if he is considering staying before he finally goes. All of this has led fans to questioning whether Oliver only said all of that stuff to try and give this Laurel (who to her knowledge has been in love with the simulation version of Oliver and dating him for years) some closure on the fact the man that she loves is vanishing rather than just going without a word, or if this is Oliver telling all the words he wishes he could have said to the actual Laurel before her death and the whole situation was a realization for him that even with her death, he still has feelings for her. [[Recap/ArrowS5E10WhoAreYou "Who Are You?"]] continues on this, as Oliver tries to see the light in Black Siren--even when she's adamant on proving otherwise--with the rationale that he won't fail her like he did his Laurel.]]

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** As of the 100th episode is [[spoiler:Oliver still in love with Laurel? While it makes sense in his version of a perfect world that he never went on the boat and never became a vigilante with his parents alive, it's notable that in the perfect world the simulation gives him, he's engaged to Laurel and not Felicity. Even after he understands that the world is fake, and after he says his goodbyes to his parents, when the goodbye comes to Laurel, he is shown to be reluctant to go. He tells her that he loves her, and that she deserved better then than him. When he goes to leave, he looks back for a few seconds as if he is considering staying before he finally goes. All of this has led fans to questioning whether Oliver only said all of that stuff to try and give this Laurel (who to her knowledge has been in love with the simulation version of Oliver and dating him for years) some closure on the fact the man that she loves is vanishing rather than just going without a word, or if this is Oliver telling all the words he wishes he could have said to the actual Laurel before her death and the whole situation was a realization for him that even with her death, he still has feelings for her. [[Recap/ArrowS5E10WhoAreYou "Who Are You?"]] continues on this, as Oliver tries to see the light in Black Siren--even when she's adamant on proving otherwise--with the rationale that he won't fail her like he did his Laurel.]]
14th Jun '17 12:44:02 AM KJMackley
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** The overall portrayal of Slade Wilson / Deathstroke started off strong, but gradually diminished as the character wrapped up Season Two and especially a lackluster return appearance in Season Three. In part due to his reliance on Mirakuru making him TheJuggernaut (he was too powerful with Mirakuru and too easy to defeat when BroughtDownToNormal) but also his singular focus on getting revenge on Oliver got old. Manu Bennet himself was quite vocal about how he became less intimidating and one note. [[spoiler: His return in the final episode of Season Five outright says that it took time for the Mirakuru to burn out of his system and bring him back to his right mind. He remembers everything, but is sane again. He holds up his promise to help Oliver, still with a touch of uncertain loyalty, while also getting a number of badass rescues and action scenes]].
12th Jun '17 6:47:24 AM Piterpicher
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** The fanbase has become largely split into two camps: comics fans who hate the show post-Season 2 (or in some cases, post-Season 3's mid-season finale) and those who don't. Critics of modern ''Arrow'' tend to cite poor writing (especially the elevation of Felicity), low production values and disrespect for the comics, while fans tend to appreciate the show for focusing more on Felicity and the drama aspects of the show. A quick look at Twitter and Tumblr versus YouTube and Reddit shows how polarized opinions on the show have become.

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** The fanbase has become largely split into two camps: comics fans who hate the show post-Season 2 (or in some cases, post-Season 3's mid-season finale) and those who don't. Critics of modern ''Arrow'' tend to cite poor writing (especially the elevation of Felicity), low production values and disrespect for the comics, while fans tend to appreciate the show for focusing more on Felicity and the drama aspects of the show. A quick look at Twitter and Tumblr versus YouTube Website/YouTube and Reddit shows how polarized opinions on the show have become.
1st Jun '17 2:34:25 PM immortalfrieza
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* Curtis has degenerated into this after he joins Team Arrow for real in season 5. While initially enjoyed for basically being a male Felicity and all that brings, fans have have become less accepting of the character since he became a superhero himself. This is due to the fact that other than Felicity who doesn't fight Curtis is easily the worst fighter in Team Arrow to the point that even random mooks give him trouble and it isn't until he invents and starts using his T Spheres that he's even able to really contribute in a fight. It's also started grating on fans nerves that Curtis acts awkward and bumbling and cracks jokes during most of his screentime particularly at moments it's obvious he should be serious, and that he lacks any real role the rest of Team Arrow doesn't do besides being the "tech guy," a role Felicity largely takes up.

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* ** Curtis has degenerated into this after he joins Team Arrow for real in season 5. While initially enjoyed for basically being a male Felicity and all that brings, fans have have become less accepting of the character since he became a superhero himself. This is due to the fact that other than Felicity who doesn't fight Curtis is easily the worst fighter in Team Arrow to the point that even random mooks give him trouble and it isn't until he invents and starts using his T Spheres that he's even able to really contribute in a fight. It's also started grating on fans nerves that Curtis acts awkward and bumbling and cracks jokes during most of his screentime particularly at moments it's obvious he should be serious, and that he lacks any real role the rest of Team Arrow doesn't do besides being the "tech guy," a role Felicity largely takes up.
1st Jun '17 2:32:57 PM immortalfrieza
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* Curtis has degenerated into this after he joins Team Arrow for real in season 5. While initially enjoyed for basically being a male Felicity and all that brings, fans have have become less accepting of the character since he became a superhero himself. This is due to the fact that other than Felicity who doesn't fight Curtis is easily the worst fighter in Team Arrow to the point that even random mooks give him trouble and it isn't until he invents and starts using his T Spheres that he's even able to really contribute in a fight. It's also started grating on fans nerves that Curtis acts awkward and bumbling and cracks jokes during most of his screentime particularly at moments it's obvious he should be serious, and that he lacks any real role the rest of Team Arrow doesn't do besides being the "tech guy," a role Felicity largely takes up.
28th May '17 3:31:18 PM DeCarta
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** The only semblance of explanation we get for Prometheus' seemingly preternatural knowledge of Oliver and his friends is that [[spoiler:Talia al Ghul investigated him. While one can certainly expect a daughter of Ra's al Ghul to be highly competent, this doesn't explain how Prometheus learned about the Legends (and time travel even existing, for that matter), Black Siren, or the circumstances of Shado's death.]]



* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The closing scene in ''Broken Hearts''. After not speaking for the entire episode, Damien Darhk is last seen being forced into his prison cell, but reveals that he secretly hid a ring in his mouth the entire time. However, this ring he stashed away does absolutely nothing plot-relevant since he utilizes his magic without it and has never required anything outside his enchanted idol to grow his powers. So what was the point of showing that he brought a ring with him into prison in TheStinger seeing as how it never gets referenced ever again?

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The closing scene in ''Broken Hearts''. After not speaking for the entire episode, Damien Darhk is last seen being forced into his prison cell, but reveals that he secretly hid a ring in his mouth the entire time. However, this ring he stashed away does absolutely nothing plot-relevant since he utilizes his magic without it and has never required anything outside his enchanted idol to grow his powers. So what was the point of showing that he brought a ring with him into prison in TheStinger seeing as how it never gets referenced ever again?



* Prometheus, who is a badass [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] and is considered as the show's best {{Big Bad}}s along with Slade Wilson and Malcolm Merlyn.

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* ** Prometheus, who is a badass [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] and is considered as the show's best {{Big Bad}}s along with Slade Wilson and Malcolm Merlyn.



** Carried over from ''[[Series/TheFlash2014 The Flash]]'', [[spoiler:Black Siren]] has quite a few fans for [[EvilIsSexy a few]] [[DarkActionGirl good reasons]]. [[spoiler:That her arrival means a return to the series for Katie Cassidy doesn't hurt either.]]



* EvilIsSexy: [[spoiler:Beneath his mask, Prometheus is played by the handsome Josh Segarra.]]

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** Malcolm Merlyn, both for his [[SharpDressedMan sharp]] [[BadassInANiceSuit attire]] and for being played by John Barrowman.
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[[spoiler:Beneath his mask, Prometheus is played by the handsome TallDarkAndHandsome Josh Segarra.]]



** [[spoiler: Evelyn Sharp crosses it when she [[DisproportionateRetribution teams up with Prometheus to take down Oliver as revenge for being the Hood,]] and betrays the identities of her teammates in the process.]]

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** [[spoiler: Evelyn Sharp crosses it when she [[DisproportionateRetribution teams up with Prometheus to take down Oliver as revenge for being the Hood,]] and betrays the identities of her teammates in the process. If that failed to put her over the line, her actions in "Kapiushon", where she not only helps Prometheus psychologically torture Oliver, but smugly rubs it in when Oliver finally breaks, certainly does.]]



** Evelyn Sharp, a teen wunderkind who stole [[spoiler:Laurel's identity as Black Canary (including the Canary Cry which InUniverse was made only for Laurel to use per Cisco's design) to kill Ruve Darhk as revenge for Hive killing her family, nearly destroying Black Canary's legacy in the process]]. Many were hoping she'd never been seen again, only for it to be announced she'd be joining Team Arrow in Season 5 [[CompositeCharacter as]] [[WesternAnimation/YoungJustice Artemis]]. However, she has been gradually redeeming herself due to the fact that she's the only member of the new team not named Rory--who has magical powers--to [[KnowWhenToFoldEm realize her limitations]] as a rookie vigilante. [[spoiler:Then [[Recap/ArrowS5E7Vigilante "Vigilante"]] establishes Artemis as a [[TheMole Mole]] for Prometheus, and we're right back to square one.]]

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** Evelyn Sharp, a teen wunderkind who stole [[spoiler:Laurel's identity as Black Canary (including the Canary Cry which InUniverse was made only for Laurel to use per Cisco's design) to kill Ruve Darhk as revenge for Hive killing her family, nearly destroying Black Canary's legacy in the process]]. Many were hoping she'd never been seen again, only for it to be announced she'd be joining Team Arrow in Season 5 [[CompositeCharacter as]] [[WesternAnimation/YoungJustice Artemis]]. However, she has been gradually redeeming herself due to the fact that she's the only member of the new team not named Rory--who has magical powers--to [[KnowWhenToFoldEm realize her limitations]] as a rookie vigilante. [[spoiler:Then [[Recap/ArrowS5E7Vigilante "Vigilante"]] establishes Artemis as a [[TheMole Mole]] for Prometheus, and we're right back to square one. Her smug behaviour in the rest of the season, to say nothing of [[MoralEventHorizon helping Prometheus torture Oliver until his spirit breaks]], only increase her hatedom.]]



** In "Lian Yu", [[spoiler:Malcolm Merlyn is apparently killed in an unceremonious (albeit [[VillainsDyingGrace selfless]]) manner, and Evelyn Sharp is abandoned by Prometheus and left to die when he destroys Lian Yu.]]



** Captain Boomerang. A prominent member of ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'' Rogues in the comics is reduced to a standard VillainOfTheWeek during the crossover between the two shows and his beef is more with Team Arrow than Team Flash. And because this character appears in then-upcoming ''Film/SuicideSquad2016'', [[ExiledFromContinuity this is probably the]] [[PutOnABus last we'll ever see of him]]. [[spoiler:At least he wasn't killed off like Deadshot and Amander Waller.]]

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** Captain Boomerang. A prominent member of ''Series/{{The Flash|2014}}'' Rogues in the comics is reduced to a standard VillainOfTheWeek during the crossover between the two shows and his beef is more with Team Arrow than Team Flash. And because this character appears in then-upcoming ''Film/SuicideSquad2016'', [[ExiledFromContinuity this is probably the]] [[PutOnABus last we'll ever see of him]]. [[spoiler:At least he wasn't killed off like Deadshot and Amander Waller. [[BackForTheDead Not until "Lian Yu", anyway]].]]



** [[spoiler: Black Siren, Laurel's Earth-2 Doppelganger makes an appearance in the next season, [[DeadPersonImpersonation posing as the Earth-1 Laurel]]. [[Recap/ArrowS5E10WhoAreYou A lot of development is given to the character]], [[TraumaCongaLine explaining that]] the loss of her Oliver (on Earth-2, it was Robert Queen who came back from the ''Queen's Gambit'' shipwreck) and then becoming a meta after her move to Earth-2 Central City coincided with the Particle Accelerator Explosion [[StartOfDarkness led her down a very dark path]]. This would make for an intriguing redemption storyline, as Oliver hopes to bring this Laurel back to the light after he failed [[TheLostLenore his Laurel]], right? Unfortunately Black Siren simply shows that she was EvilAllAlong and rejects any attempts of rejection. After her introduction episode she's not seen again.]]

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** [[spoiler: Black Siren, Laurel's Earth-2 Doppelganger makes an appearance in the next season, [[DeadPersonImpersonation posing as the Earth-1 Laurel]]. [[Recap/ArrowS5E10WhoAreYou A lot of development is given to the character]], [[TraumaCongaLine explaining that]] the loss of her Oliver (on Earth-2, it was Robert Queen who came back from the ''Queen's Gambit'' shipwreck) and then becoming a meta after her move to Earth-2 Central City coincided with the Particle Accelerator Explosion [[StartOfDarkness led her down a very dark path]]. This would make for an intriguing redemption storyline, as Oliver hopes to bring this Laurel back to the light after he failed [[TheLostLenore his Laurel]], right? Unfortunately Black Siren simply shows that she was EvilAllAlong and rejects any attempts of rejection. After her introduction episode she's not seen again.With the announcement that she'll be returning as a regular character in Season 6, there remains a chance that this will end up being a subversion.]]



** [[spoiler:Black Siren taking Prometheus' word when he promises her that Quentin won't be harmed. The very first thing Prometheus asked her to do was impersonate her dead Earth-1 counterpart to emotionally and psychologically torture his enemies, and she knows him to be a consummate liar. Quentin even lampshades how worthless Prometheus' word is when she tells him about the arrangement. Sure enough, Prometheus' endgame involves both Quentin and Black Siren being left behind on Lian Yu as Prometheus blows the entire island to kingdom come.]]



** Season 5 luckily has it happening for real, with a large infusion of fresh blood on the team, a pointed end to everyone keeping secrets from each other (perfectly exemplified by Felicity only taking one episode to admit to Ragman her role in his hometown's destruction), and even the flashbacks becoming engaging again as they finally cover Oliver's introduction into the Bratva and have regular direct connections to the present day story.

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** Season 5 luckily has it happening for real, with a large infusion of fresh blood on the team, a pointed end to everyone keeping secrets from each other (perfectly exemplified by Felicity only taking one episode to admit to Ragman her role in his hometown's destruction), and even the flashbacks becoming engaging again as they finally cover Oliver's introduction into the Bratva and have regular direct connections to the present day story. By the end of the season, many fans and critics are hailing it as the best yet, due in no small part to the higher emotional stakes, compelling villain, the return of beloved characters, and an [[IncrediblyLamePun explosive]] finale that was quickly considered one of the series' best episodes.
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