History YMMV / Arrow

12th Dec '17 5:40:41 PM Epicazeroth
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** The Season Four finale, and Season 4 in general, was so widely despised that [[Website/{{Reddit}} /r/Arrow]] turned itself into a ''Series/Daredevil2015'' subreddit for months and posted a discussion thread for the latter's first episode, which is now the third highest upvoted post ''of all time'' on the sub. Another redditor posted a picture of the cast of ''Series/AgentsOfShield'' which became '''the highest upvoted post of all time on /r/Arrow'''.

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** The Season Four finale, and Season 4 in general, was so widely despised that [[Website/{{Reddit}} /r/Arrow]] turned itself into a ''Series/Daredevil2015'' subreddit for months and posted a discussion thread for the latter's first episode, which is now the third fourth highest upvoted post ''of all time'' on the sub. Another redditor posted a picture of the cast of ''Series/AgentsOfShield'' which became '''the highest upvoted post of all time on /r/Arrow'''.



** There was a ''massive'' one over the ending of the 2017 crossover, where Felicity [[spoiler:interrupted the long-awaited (if impromptu) wedding of Barry and Iris (which had been the focal point of the crossover), ministered by Diggle, so the latter could also marry her and Oliver. Rather than being seen as "sweet", like how the writers most likely intended, it was seen as a rude and self-centered move on the part of Felicity as it was essentially hijacking Barry and Iris' moment, one that they had been working towards their ''entire'' lives, to the point that Oliver got heat for even agreeing to it]]. Fans went '''ballistic'''; not because of [[spoiler:the actual marriage (most had resigned themselves to the eventuality)]], but over how it happened. Felicity, quite literally, became the biggest scrappy in ''the entire Arrowverse fandom'' for this, as nearly everyone who watched the crossover, including those who didn't care about her or ''Arrow'' beyond the crossover, and those who actually shipped Olicity, hated it. The ''Arrow'' [[Website/{{Reddit}} subreddit]] had an even worse meltdown than they did after the Season Four finale: the mods posted a thread entirely dedicated to allowing redditors to vent about it, and a poll was started over whether or not the subreddit should become a ''[[Series/ThePunisher2017 Punisher]]'' subreddit for the foreseeable future. (The results were a resounding "Yes".) One redditor posted a picture of Frank Castle, which is now the second most upvoted post of all time on /r/Arrow. But what really indicates how pissed off the subreddit was about the crossover's ending is when another redditor posted a picture of the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' cartoon (which has a notorious hatedom) -- and it ended becoming the subreddit's ''fourth highest upvoted post of all time''.

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** There was a ''massive'' one over the ending of the 2017 crossover, where Felicity [[spoiler:interrupted the long-awaited (if impromptu) wedding of Barry and Iris (which had been the focal point of the crossover), ministered by Diggle, so the latter could also marry her and Oliver. Rather than being seen as "sweet", like how the writers most likely intended, it was seen as a rude and self-centered move on the part of Felicity as it was essentially hijacking Barry and Iris' moment, one that they had been working towards their ''entire'' lives, to the point that Oliver got heat for even agreeing to it]]. Fans went '''ballistic'''; not because of [[spoiler:the actual marriage (most had resigned themselves to the eventuality)]], but over how it happened. Felicity, quite literally, became the biggest scrappy in ''the entire Arrowverse fandom'' for this, as nearly everyone who watched the crossover, including those who didn't care about her or ''Arrow'' beyond the crossover, and those who actually shipped Olicity, hated it. The ''Arrow'' [[Website/{{Reddit}} subreddit]] had an even worse meltdown than they did after the Season Four finale: the mods posted a thread entirely dedicated to allowing redditors to vent about it, and a poll was started over whether or not the subreddit should become a ''[[Series/ThePunisher2017 Punisher]]'' subreddit for the foreseeable future. (The results were a resounding "Yes".) One redditor posted a picture of Frank Castle, which is now the second most upvoted post of all time on /r/Arrow. But what really indicates how pissed off the subreddit was about the crossover's ending is when another redditor posted a picture of the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' cartoon (which has a notorious hatedom) -- and it ended becoming the subreddit's ''fourth ''fifth highest upvoted post of all time''.
11th Dec '17 7:20:41 AM Netherman14
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** Black Siren: An unrepentent criminal who [[CardCarryingVillain revels in her evilhood]] and has no intention of [[HeelFaceTurn turning good]], or someone who feels sorry [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone for her downward spiral into villainy]] and wants a way out into a better happier life?
9th Dec '17 10:09:21 PM Agronac919
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* AcceptableTargets: On a meta-level, Marc Guggenheim and Wendy Mericle. The series went downhill ever since they took over as showrunners that tearing them new assholes for their lackluster decisions and writing are what majority of fans enjoy doing despite their differing opinions over the show's characters.

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On a meta-level, Marc Guggenheim and Wendy Mericle. The series went downhill ever since they took over as showrunners that tearing them new assholes for their lackluster decisions and writing are what majority of fans enjoy doing despite their differing opinions over the show's characters.characters.
** Also on a meta-level, [[CreatorsPet Felicity]] [[TheScrappy Smoak.]] By the infamous ending of Crisis On Earth-X, all good will towards the character had been stabbed, beaten, burnt alive, then had it's ashes kicked for good measure and people just want her to go away with her only real defenders being Olicity shippers. Unlike Guggenheim and Mericle, [[UnacceptableTargets this does ''not'' extend to Emily,]] outside of the more unsavory trolls, who is at worst viewed as a lackluster actor but [[NiceGirl wonderful human being]] by detractors.
6th Dec '17 10:32:15 AM DustSnitch
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** ComicBook/RasAlGhul is, as ever, a BadassGrandpa and WarriorPoet of the highest order, leads a cabal of assassins, and [[HeroKiller damn near]] ''[[HeroKiller killed]]'' Oliver in their first duel [[CurbStompBattle with ease]].

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** ComicBook/RasAlGhul is, as ever, a BadassGrandpa and WarriorPoet of the highest order, leads a cabal of assassins, and [[HeroKiller damn near]] ''[[HeroKiller killed]]'' Oliver in their first duel [[CurbStompBattle with ease]].



** Matt Nable as ComicBook/RasAlGhul. Not necessarily directed at the actor himself, but the fact that they're casting a white guy to play Ra's Al-Ghul. [[Film/BatmanBegins Again.]] Of course, when he appears for the first time on the show, and instead of the traditional Ra's Al-Ghul look or even Creator/LiamNeeson's look, he's some scruffy white guy with an awkward accent, the criticism becomes more understandable. [[spoiler:Then he goes and proves himself an AffablyEvil BadassGrandpa who easily defeats Oliver yet shows no malice toward him, which may well lessen the skepticism.]]

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** Matt Nable as ComicBook/RasAlGhul. Not necessarily directed at the actor himself, but the fact that they're casting a white guy to play Ra's Al-Ghul. [[Film/BatmanBegins Again.]] Of course, when he appears for the first time on the show, and instead of the traditional Ra's Al-Ghul look or even Creator/LiamNeeson's look, he's some scruffy white guy with an awkward accent, the criticism becomes more understandable. [[spoiler:Then he goes and proves himself an AffablyEvil BadassGrandpa a vilain who easily defeats Oliver yet shows no malice toward him, which may well lessen the skepticism.]]
6th Dec '17 7:32:17 AM ajitter89
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** After the highly despised action [[spoiler: Oliver and Felicity performed at the end of ''Series/CrisisOnEarthX'', the next episode of ''[[Series/TheFlash2014 The Flash]]'', makes it clear that while they [[AllLovingHero kindly allowed the two to do so]], [[{{Supercouple}} Barry and Iris]] are rightfully angry that Oliver and Felicity hijacked their wedding, with Iris snarking at their behalf, and Barry chucking their wedding gift into the return pile. It could almost read that "[[MorePopularSpinoff The Flash]]" and it's writers and creative team, were calling out "Arrow".]]
6th Dec '17 4:55:11 AM Nyame
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** And Felicity, while generally liked, gets a lot of criticism from fans of the Lance sisters due to the increased prominence of her character, her replacing Laurel as the primary love interest, and being completely flawless as a character and having little development.

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** And Felicity, while generally liked, gets a lot of criticism from fans of the Lance sisters due to the increased prominence of her character, her replacing Laurel as the primary love interest, and being completely flawless as a character and having little development. At least, this was the case for the first two seasons -- Season Three and onward, Felicity's character took a turn for the worst, become more and more of a MarySue EscapistCharacter, to the point that by Season Six, she was literally ''the'' most hated character in the Arrowverse fandom. While shipping is large part of why fans want her gone, it is ''far'' from the only reason.
4th Dec '17 9:07:08 AM Gregzilla
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** Season 5 gives us Tina Boland. [[spoiler:She is set to become Laurel's successor as the Black Canary and was immediately introduced after the appearance of Black Siren, the fan-favorite to take the mantle, and was given tons of CharacterShilling by other characters at the expense of continuity (she is revealed to be Dinah Drake, who is already introduced as Laurel and Sara's mother). The writers also prop her in social media a lot and would defend her against detractors by going out of their way to build her up on social media. The Season 5 finale even had Earth-1 Laurel's father saving Tina from Black Siren and props her as Black Canary. Season 6 then had Vigilante's SecretIdentity compromised to a lackluster degree just to prop her even more.]]

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** Season 5 gives us Tina Boland. [[spoiler:She is set to become Laurel's successor as the Black Canary and was immediately introduced after the appearance of Black Siren, the fan-favorite to take the mantle, and was given tons of CharacterShilling by other characters at the expense of continuity (she is revealed to be Dinah Drake, who is already introduced as Laurel and Sara's mother). The writers also prop her in social media a lot and would defend her against detractors by going out of their way to build her up on social media.there. The Season 5 finale even had Earth-1 Laurel's father saving Tina from Black Siren and props her as Black Canary. Season 6 then had Vigilante's SecretIdentity compromised to a lackluster degree just to prop her even more.]]
1st Dec '17 5:14:12 PM Agronac919
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** Parodied and then played straight with Oliver/[[Series/Supergirl2015 Kara]]. The ship became the #1 CrackShip for those looking to mock [[RomanticPlotTumor Olicity]] but Crisis On Earth-X [[AscendedMeme having their counterparts as a married couple]] actually earned the ship a lot of fans. Helped that despite being [[ThoseWackyNazis LITERAL NAZIS,]] more people found Oliver-X's drive to [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes save Kara-X]] more genuinally romantic then Felicity's Wangst about her relationship with Oliver, and that Kara's main relationship with Mon-El is also disliked, albeit on a lesser level.
30th Nov '17 2:55:12 PM alezfilm869
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** Black Siren, an especially good example, since she's played by the same actress as Earth-1 Laurel, but she's still much, ''much'' sexier.
30th Nov '17 10:39:15 AM dmcreif
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** The Season Four finale, and Season 4 in general, was so widely despised that [[Website/{{Reddit}} /r/Arrow]] turned itself into a ''Series/{{Daredevil}}'' subreddit for months and posted a discussion thread for the latter's first episode, which is now the third highest upvoted post ''of all time'' on the sub. Another redditor posted a picture of the cast of ''Series/AgentsOfShield'' which became '''the highest upvoted post of all time on /r/Arrow'''.

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** The Season Four finale, and Season 4 in general, was so widely despised that [[Website/{{Reddit}} /r/Arrow]] turned itself into a ''Series/{{Daredevil}}'' ''Series/Daredevil2015'' subreddit for months and posted a discussion thread for the latter's first episode, which is now the third highest upvoted post ''of all time'' on the sub. Another redditor posted a picture of the cast of ''Series/AgentsOfShield'' which became '''the highest upvoted post of all time on /r/Arrow'''.



** There was a ''massive'' one over the ending of the 2017 crossover, where Felicity [[spoiler:interrupted the long-awaited (if impromptu) wedding of Barry and Iris (which had been the focal point of the crossover), ministered by Diggle, so the latter could also marry her and Oliver. Rather than being seen as "sweet", like how the writers most likely intended, it was seen as a rude and self-centered move on the part of Felicity as it was essentially hijacking Barry and Iris' moment, one that they had been working towards their ''entire'' lives, to the point that Oliver got heat for even agreeing to it]]. Fans went '''ballistic'''; not because of [[spoiler:the actual marriage (most had resigned themselves to the eventuality)]], but over how it happened. Felicity, quite literally, became the biggest scrappy in ''the entire Arrowverse fandom'' for this, as nearly everyone who watched the crossover, including those who didn't care about her or ''Arrow'' beyond the crossover, and those who actually shipped Olicity, hated it. The ''Arrow'' [[Website/{{Reddit}} subreddit]] had an even worse meltdown than they did after the Season Four finale: the mods posted a thread entirely dedicated to allowing redditors to vent about it, and a poll was started over whether or not the subreddit should become a ''[[Series/ThePunisher Punisher]]'' subreddit for the foreseeable future. (The results were a resounding "Yes".) One redditor posted a picture of Frank Castle, which is now the second most upvoted post of all time on /r/Arrow. But what really indicates how pissed off the subreddit was about the crossover's ending is when another redditor posted a picture of the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' cartoon (which has a notorious hatedom) -- and it ended becoming the subreddit's ''fourth highest upvoted post of all time''.

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** There was a ''massive'' one over the ending of the 2017 crossover, where Felicity [[spoiler:interrupted the long-awaited (if impromptu) wedding of Barry and Iris (which had been the focal point of the crossover), ministered by Diggle, so the latter could also marry her and Oliver. Rather than being seen as "sweet", like how the writers most likely intended, it was seen as a rude and self-centered move on the part of Felicity as it was essentially hijacking Barry and Iris' moment, one that they had been working towards their ''entire'' lives, to the point that Oliver got heat for even agreeing to it]]. Fans went '''ballistic'''; not because of [[spoiler:the actual marriage (most had resigned themselves to the eventuality)]], but over how it happened. Felicity, quite literally, became the biggest scrappy in ''the entire Arrowverse fandom'' for this, as nearly everyone who watched the crossover, including those who didn't care about her or ''Arrow'' beyond the crossover, and those who actually shipped Olicity, hated it. The ''Arrow'' [[Website/{{Reddit}} subreddit]] had an even worse meltdown than they did after the Season Four finale: the mods posted a thread entirely dedicated to allowing redditors to vent about it, and a poll was started over whether or not the subreddit should become a ''[[Series/ThePunisher ''[[Series/ThePunisher2017 Punisher]]'' subreddit for the foreseeable future. (The results were a resounding "Yes".) One redditor posted a picture of Frank Castle, which is now the second most upvoted post of all time on /r/Arrow. But what really indicates how pissed off the subreddit was about the crossover's ending is when another redditor posted a picture of the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'' cartoon (which has a notorious hatedom) -- and it ended becoming the subreddit's ''fourth highest upvoted post of all time''.
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