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18th Apr '18 1:25:04 PM ProfessorGrimm
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** Season 6, which has the unenviable task of coming after the well-received Season 5. The first sign of trouble came with [[spoiler:the season premiere revealing that the entirety of Team Arrow survived, with the only casualty on Lian Yu being Samantha Clayton, a character no one particularly cared for, thus invalidating season 5's big cliffhanger.]] Other criticisms are too much focus on Oliver's son William whom doesn't serve much purpose other than to distract Oliver his duty in keeping the city safe, Warner Bros forcing Slade into exile, because of the DCEU, polarizing villains in the form of Michael Emerson's Cayden James, and later Richardo Diaz, who simply don't have the menace or charisma that Prometheus had. The New Recruits sinking even into more unpopularity by breaking off from Team Arrow and forming their own team and acting like petulant brats any time they have to work with their own comrades -- Dinah in particular after [[spoiler: her former boyfriend Vigilante is killed and she's only obsessed with killing Black Siren and will attack ''anyone'' who gets in her way, even Quentin. The whole schism arc simply drags well pass its welcome and consumes the second half of the season.]] In fact episode 6x17: "Brother in Arms" has the dubious distinction of being the first episode where less than a million people tuned into watch (ironically, though, it is seen as one of the season's best episodes and a potential return to form by many critics). If there is a silver lining, it's that the season was so negatively received that it was announced that Guggenheim and Mericle would not be show runners for Season 7; Mericle is leaving the franchise completely while Guggenheim is being KickedUpstairs to the role of "executive producer".

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** Season 6, which has the unenviable task of coming after the well-received Season 5. The first sign of trouble came with [[spoiler:the season premiere revealing that the entirety of Team Arrow survived, with the only casualty on Lian Yu being Samantha Clayton, a character no one particularly cared for, thus invalidating season 5's big cliffhanger.]] Other criticisms are too much focus on Oliver's son William whom doesn't serve much purpose other than to distract Oliver his duty in keeping the city safe, Warner Bros forcing Slade into exile, because of the DCEU, polarizing villains in the form of Michael Emerson's Cayden James, and later Richardo Diaz, who simply don't have the menace or charisma that Prometheus had. The New Recruits sinking even into more unpopularity by breaking off from Team Arrow and forming their own team and acting like petulant brats any time they have to work with their own comrades -- Dinah in particular after [[spoiler: her former boyfriend Vigilante is killed and she's only obsessed with killing Black Siren and will attack ''anyone'' who gets in her way, even Quentin. The whole schism arc simply drags well pass its welcome and consumes the second half of the season.]] In fact episode 6x17: "Brother in Arms" has the dubious distinction of being the first episode where less than a million people tuned into watch (ironically, though, it is seen as one of the season's best episodes and a potential return to form by many critics). If there is a silver lining, it's that the season was so negatively received that it was announced that Guggenheim and Mericle would not be show runners for Season 7; Mericle is leaving the franchise completely while Guggenheim is being KickedUpstairs to the role of "executive producer".consultant".
18th Apr '18 1:24:13 PM ProfessorGrimm
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** Season 6, which has the unenviable task of coming after the well-received Season 5. The first sign of trouble came with [[spoiler:the season premiere revealing that the entirety of Team Arrow survived, with the only casualty on Lian Yu being Samantha Clayton, a character no one particularly cared for, thus invalidating season 5's big cliffhanger.]] Other criticisms are too much focus on Oliver's son William whom doesn't serve much purpose other than to distract Oliver his duty in keeping the city safe, Warner Bros forcing Slade into exile, because of the DCEU, polarizing villains in the form of Michael Emerson's Cayden James, and later Richardo Diaz, who simply don't have the menace or charisma that Prometheus had. The New Recruits sinking even into more unpopularity by breaking off from Team Arrow and forming their own team and acting like petulant brats any time they have to work with their own comrades -- Dinah in particular after [[spoiler: her former boyfriend Vigilante is killed and she's only obsessed with killing Black Siren and will attack ''anyone'' who gets in her way, even Quentin. The whole schism arc simply drags well pass its welcome and consumes the second half of the season.]] In fact episode 6x17: "Brother in Arms" has the dubious distinction of being the first episode where less than a million people tuned into watch (ironically, though, it is seen as one of the season's best episodes and a potential return to form by many critics).

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** Season 6, which has the unenviable task of coming after the well-received Season 5. The first sign of trouble came with [[spoiler:the season premiere revealing that the entirety of Team Arrow survived, with the only casualty on Lian Yu being Samantha Clayton, a character no one particularly cared for, thus invalidating season 5's big cliffhanger.]] Other criticisms are too much focus on Oliver's son William whom doesn't serve much purpose other than to distract Oliver his duty in keeping the city safe, Warner Bros forcing Slade into exile, because of the DCEU, polarizing villains in the form of Michael Emerson's Cayden James, and later Richardo Diaz, who simply don't have the menace or charisma that Prometheus had. The New Recruits sinking even into more unpopularity by breaking off from Team Arrow and forming their own team and acting like petulant brats any time they have to work with their own comrades -- Dinah in particular after [[spoiler: her former boyfriend Vigilante is killed and she's only obsessed with killing Black Siren and will attack ''anyone'' who gets in her way, even Quentin. The whole schism arc simply drags well pass its welcome and consumes the second half of the season.]] In fact episode 6x17: "Brother in Arms" has the dubious distinction of being the first episode where less than a million people tuned into watch (ironically, though, it is seen as one of the season's best episodes and a potential return to form by many critics). If there is a silver lining, it's that the season was so negatively received that it was announced that Guggenheim and Mericle would not be show runners for Season 7; Mericle is leaving the franchise completely while Guggenheim is being KickedUpstairs to the role of "executive producer".
18th Apr '18 6:30:52 AM Silverblade2
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* DeaderThanDisco: The show's reputation has not been good since Season 3. There was one point where ''Arrow'' was a new hit show and a often talked about trend. However, constant SeasonalRot following Season Three onwards (with the sole exception of [[PopularityPolynomial fifth]], though [[ReplacementScrappy it also has its problems]]) coupled with its infamous RomanticPlotTumor involving and being the biggest offender of FranchiseOriginalSin, has since degraded the show to one of DC media's biggest SnarkBait of all time.
16th Apr '18 1:10:37 PM Forenperser
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* DeaderThanDisco: The show's reputation has not been good since Season 3. There was one point where ''Arrow'' was the hit new show and the most talked about trend, on a similar level to ''Series/GameOfThrones''. However, constant SeasonalRot following Season Three onwards (with the sole exception of [[PopularityPolynomial fifth]], though [[ReplacementScrappy it also has its problems]]) coupled with its infamous RomanticPlotTumor involving and being the biggest offender of FranchiseOriginalSin, has since degraded the show to one of DC media's biggest SnarkBait of all time.

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* DeaderThanDisco: The show's reputation has not been good since Season 3. There was one point where ''Arrow'' was the a new hit new show and the most a often talked about trend, on a similar level to ''Series/GameOfThrones''.trend. However, constant SeasonalRot following Season Three onwards (with the sole exception of [[PopularityPolynomial fifth]], though [[ReplacementScrappy it also has its problems]]) coupled with its infamous RomanticPlotTumor involving and being the biggest offender of FranchiseOriginalSin, has since degraded the show to one of DC media's biggest SnarkBait of all time.
14th Apr '18 7:07:27 PM Snowy66
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** "Hoss"[[note]]Rene's favorite name to call everyone gets frequently used by fans too[[/note]]
*** Specifically [[UngratefulBastard "This doesn't change anything, Hoss."]] gets spread around a lot.

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** "Hoss"[[note]]Rene's favorite name to call everyone gets frequently used by fans too[[/note]]
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** Felicity [[https://www.reddit.com/r/arrow/comments/8cao6i/fan_art_my_name_is_felicity_smoak_and_i_am_the/ running like the Flash]] "Fundamentals" gained memetic status.
13th Apr '18 5:03:39 PM Snowy66
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** Hoss[[note]]Rene's favorite name to call everyone gets frequently used by fans too[[/note]]
*** [[UngratefulBastard "This doesn't change anything, Hoss."]]

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** Hoss[[note]]Rene's "Hoss"[[note]]Rene's favorite name to call everyone gets frequently used by fans too[[/note]]
*** Specifically [[UngratefulBastard "This doesn't change anything, Hoss."]]"]] gets spread around a lot.
13th Apr '18 12:35:02 PM smasll_lordvoice
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** Cayden James has attracted large amounts of scorn from part the fandom for supplanting being the BigBad of Season 6 instead of Ricardo Diaz/Richard Dragon, despite being a CanonForeigner, and because his hacking abilities seem to spell more focus for Felicity, already a divisive character herself. On the other hand, many people praised Creator/MichaelEmerson's CreepyAwesome acting and thought that after being teased back in Season 5, him taking the spotlight was the logical thing to do. Him being a NonActionBigBad is also a point of argument. While some people think it makes him less menancing, others think of it as a pleasent change in comparison to previous BigBad's and see the potential in his mental abilities.

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** Cayden James has attracted large amounts of scorn from part the fandom for supplanting being the BigBad of Season 6 instead of Ricardo Diaz/Richard Dragon, despite being a CanonForeigner, and because his hacking abilities seem to spell more focus for Felicity, already a divisive character herself. On the other hand, many people praised Creator/MichaelEmerson's CreepyAwesome acting and thought that after being teased back in Season 5, him taking the spotlight was the logical thing to do. Him being a NonActionBigBad is also a point of argument. While some people think it makes him less menancing, others think of it as a pleasent pleasant change in comparison to previous BigBad's and see the potential in his mental abilities.



** Season 5 gives us Tina Boland. [[spoiler:She is set to become Laurel's successor as the Black Canary and was immediately introduced after the appearance of Black Siren, the fan-favorite to take the mantle, and was given tons of CharacterShilling by other characters at the expense of continuity (she is revealed to be Dinah Drake, who is already introduced as Laurel and Sara's mother). The writers also prop her in social media a lot and would defend her against detractors by going out of their way to build her up there. The Season 5 finale even had Earth-1 Laurel's father saving Tina from Black Siren and props her as Black Canary. Season 6 then had Vigilante's SecretIdentity compromised to a lackluster degree just to prop her even more.]]

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** Season 5 gives us Tina Boland. [[spoiler:She is set to become Laurel's successor as the Black Canary and was immediately introduced after the appearance of Black Siren, the fan-favorite [[EnsembleDarkhorse fan-favorite]] to take the mantle, and was given tons of CharacterShilling by other characters at the expense of continuity (she is revealed to be Dinah Drake, who is already introduced as Laurel and Sara's mother). The writers also prop her in social media a lot and would defend her against detractors by going out of their way to build her up there. The Season 5 finale even had Earth-1 Laurel's father saving Tina from Black Siren and props her as Black Canary. Season 6 then had Vigilante's SecretIdentity compromised to a lackluster degree just to prop her even more.]] It really does not help that her presence blocks at least two [[EnsembleDarkhorse infinitely more popular]] characters from joining the team ([[CreepyAwesome Ragman]] and [[spoiler: [[EvilIsCool Black]] [[EvilIsSexy Siren]]]], the former of whom was PutOnABus so Tina could take his spot on the team) and was responsible for a third ([[spoiler: Vigilante]]) being killed off in a SenselessSacrifice just to provide Tina with [[StuffedIntoTheFridge additional angst.]]
13th Apr '18 8:27:46 AM makarovak47
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** Some fans see Felicity having an ItsAllAboutMe complex because she was jealous over Oliver marrying Nyssa even though they were both forced into it, she considered risking the city catching a deathly virus to save Oliver's life (though this was a thought that lasted all of thirty seconds, ''after'' she'd already done her part to help the city and she immediately let Ray save the city and rescued Oliver herself) and she wasn't willing to put Thea in the Lazarus pit in exchange for Oliver joining the league. Was that because she cared about Oliver's soul and didn't trust Malcolm Merlyn, or because she wanted to keep him Oliver with her?
*** Felicity [[spoiler:breaking up with Oliver because he hid William from her. Was she being unsympathetic because he did it because of Samantha's ultimatum and Felicity broke up with him barely a day after Oliver discovered the truth in the original timeline? Or was Felicity justifiably hurt as Oliver could easily have lied to the unreasonable Samantha instead of his fiancee? Also Felicity hiding the fact she was helping Team Arrow while living a normal life with Oliver. Was it because Felicity wanted to allow Oliver a peace of mind to recover and put her own wants on the backburner but Diggle, Laurel and Thea really needed her help so she was trying to keep them happy and Oliver guilt-free? Or was she just being a hypocrite and secret keeping herself? (And in Season 3 she knew both the Atom and Team Arrow at the same time yet kept them secret from each other.) Felicity's character is a big YMMV.]]



** As of the 100th episode is [[spoiler:Oliver still in love with Laurel? While it makes sense in his version of a perfect world that he never went on the boat and never became a vigilante with his parents alive, it's notable that in the perfect world the simulation gives him, he's engaged to Laurel and not Felicity. At one point during the episode, when he's beginning to question everything about the illusion, he outright tells Laurel that the only thing he was sure of was that he loved her. Even after he understands that the world is fake, and after he says his goodbyes to his parents, when the goodbye comes to Laurel, he is shown to be reluctant to go. He tells her that he loves her, but that he wasn't the man she loved, and that she always deserved better than him. When he goes to leave, he looks back for a few seconds as if he is considering staying before he finally goes. All of this has led fans to questioning whether Oliver only said all of that stuff to try and give this Laurel (who to her knowledge has been in love with the simulation version of Oliver and dating him for years) some closure on the fact the man that she loves is vanishing rather than just going without a word, or if this is Oliver telling all the words he wishes he could have said to the actual Laurel before her death and the whole situation was a realization for him that even with her death, he still has feelings for her. [[Recap/ArrowS5E10WhoAreYou "Who Are You?"]] continues on this, as Oliver tries to see the light in Black Siren--even when she's adamant on proving otherwise--with the rationale that he won't fail her like he did his Laurel.]]



** In the episode "Underneath," Felicity finally admits to Oliver that she had been a hypocrite the entire time, especially with how she had treated him over the fact that he didn't tell her about his illegitimate son William and finally admits she had no right to judge him for the difficult decisions he's had to make over the years. At this point, her confession does come off as a bit of an apology letter from the writers to the fans for the way she's behaved from the third to fourth seasons, which turned her from a popular EnsembleDarkhorse to TheScrappy of the series. Though, time will tell if this newfound character development will stick in future seasons.



** After major fan complaints in Season 6 about reducing original cast members' screentime in favor of new characters that many people have [[EightDeadlyWords little to no invested in]], original cast member Creator/ColtonHaynes (Roy Harper) is brought back for Season 7.



** The casting of Grant Gustin as [[Franchise/TheFlash Barry Allen]] has split the fandom, with a number of people arguing that Gustin looks too young to be playing Barry Allen and would be better suited to Wally West, whilst others see no problem with the casting as Gustin is portraying a Barry Allen who has yet to gain superpowers and therefore suits an inexperienced Flash. However, this seems to have been abandoned in his favor with ''Series/TheFlash2014'' premiering, and it's actually within the ''Flash'' series that this particular issue becomes addressed via a critical plot point.

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** The casting of Grant Gustin Creator/GrantGustin as [[Franchise/TheFlash Barry Allen]] has split the fandom, with a number of people arguing that Gustin looks too young to be playing Barry Allen and would be better suited to Wally West, whilst others see no problem with the casting as Gustin is portraying a Barry Allen who has yet to gain superpowers and therefore suits an inexperienced Flash. However, this seems to have been abandoned in his favor with ''Series/TheFlash2014'' premiering, and it's actually within the ''Flash'' series that this particular issue becomes addressed via a critical plot point.



** Felicity. Let's just leave it at that.

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** Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an Adorkable source of levity to the otherwise serious show and being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being adorable, fun and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made Oliver/Felicity the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, which resulted in making her more emotional and call out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. Let's just leave By Season 4, she regained her fun quirks and with it at that.some of her fan-adoration, but by this point had built up enough morally questionable actions herself that she's never called on while the rest of the cast regularly have WhatTheHellHero speeches.



** Then there's Tina Boland, who is [[spoiler:set to replace Laurel as the new Black Canary. It does not help that she was introduced ''immediately'' after Laurel's Earth-2 counterpart Black Siren's debut in this show, who a majority of the fans wanted to see take [[HeelFaceTurn a redemption arc]] to take up her late Earth-1 counterpart's mantle. Not only does [[Recap/ArrowS5E11SecondChances "Second Chances"]] establish Tina as a revenge-driven vigilante who has no qualms with killing (similar to Oliver in S1), but she's said to have better control of the Canary Cry than Black Siren (who could ''[[Recap/TheFlash2014S2E22Invincible level buildings]]'' if she so chose) in addition to being a highly capable hand-to-hand combatant. Furthermore, there's the ''many'' {{contriv|edCoincidence}}ances of a crime-fighting meta with the same powers as Earth-2!Laurel falling right into Team Arrow's lap, which Rory says is fate. All of this reeks of [[CharacterShilling the writers trying to present the character as "better" than either Laurel and thus perfect for the role]]. And then came the WhamLine: Tina is just her alias for undercover work; her real name is Dinah Drake, making her ''yet another'' DecompositeCharacter of the Black Canary. This only caused ''more'' InternetBackdraft, from both Laurel fans ''and'' Olicity supporters. It got worse [[Recap/ArrowS5E12Bratva in the subsequent episode]] where she took up the role of Oliver's confidant and conscience just like Laurel, meaning she was essentially the Coy and Vance Dukes of ''Arrow''. ''Also'' not helping her case: A.) Rory Regan aka Ragman, the [[EnsembleDarkhorse most (and only one since the get go) popular]] of the Season 5 recruits, was PutOnABus immediately after her introduction. And B.) There's already an established Dinah Drake introduced since then first season, meaning that Tina Boland serves as an inferior replacement for not one, not two, but ''[[UpToEleven characters]]''.]]

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** Then there's Tina Boland, who is [[spoiler:set to replace Laurel as the new Black Canary. It does not help that she was introduced ''immediately'' after Laurel's Earth-2 counterpart Black Siren's debut in this show, who a majority of the fans wanted to see take [[HeelFaceTurn a redemption arc]] to take up her late Earth-1 counterpart's mantle. Not only does [[Recap/ArrowS5E11SecondChances "Second Chances"]] establish Tina as a revenge-driven vigilante who has no qualms with killing (similar to Oliver in S1), but she's said to have better control of the Canary Cry than Black Siren (who could ''[[Recap/TheFlash2014S2E22Invincible level buildings]]'' if she so chose) in addition to being a highly capable hand-to-hand combatant. Furthermore, there's the ''many'' {{contriv|edCoincidence}}ances of a crime-fighting meta with the same powers as Earth-2!Laurel falling right into Team Arrow's lap, which Rory says is fate. All of this reeks of [[CharacterShilling the writers trying to present the character as "better" than either Laurel and thus perfect for the role]]. And then came the WhamLine: Tina is just her alias for undercover work; her real name is Dinah Drake, making her ''yet another'' DecompositeCharacter of the Black Canary. This only caused ''more'' InternetBackdraft, from both Laurel fans ''and'' Olicity supporters. It got worse [[Recap/ArrowS5E12Bratva in the subsequent episode]] where she took up the role of Oliver's confidant and conscience just like Laurel, meaning she was essentially the Coy and Vance Dukes of ''Arrow''. ''Also'' not helping her case: case are: A.) Rory Regan aka Ragman, the [[EnsembleDarkhorse most (and only one since the get go) popular]] of the Season 5 recruits, was PutOnABus immediately after her introduction. And B.) There's already an established Dinah Drake introduced since then first season, meaning that Tina Boland serves as an inferior replacement for not one, not two, but ''[[UpToEleven three characters]]''.]]



** Helena Bertinelli/Huntress in Season 1, mainly due to her [[AdaptationalVillainy portrayal]] and her actress' [[DullSurprise initially dull performance]]. When she came back in Season 2, her actress' acting greatly improved allowing her to sell Helena's [[DrivenToVillainy misery]] much better. It also helps that the character is having [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone remorse over her actions by the end of her return episode]].



** By Season 4, Felicity had grown into this. Though she's still well-liked by the Olicity shippers, she's received ''considerable'' hate for her more annoying traits. Notably, the problems people had with [[ItsAllAboutMe Thea]] [[{{Hypocrite}} and]] [[TheUnfairSex Laurel]] [[RomanticPlotTumor in]] [[TrappedByMountainLions the]] [[DeusAngstMachina first]] [[CreatorsPet two]] [[CharacterShilling seasons]] seem to have been completely absorbed by Felicity over the third and fourth seasons. It's gotten to the point more than a few fans have stated they wish it was [[spoiler:Felicity in the grave instead of Laurel.]]
*** After the 2017 crossover ''Series/CrisisOnEarthX'', Felicity quite literally became the biggest scrappy in the ''entire'' Arrowverse fandom for [[spoiler:interrupting Barry and Iris' impromptu wedding so she could convince Diggle (who was ordained so he could marry his brother Andy and his wife Carly) to marry her and Oliver as well, making it a double wedding and essentially stealing Barry and Iris' moment. What made this worse is that Felicity spent many of her scenes during the crossover refuting marriage with Oliver (including audibly shouting that she didn't want to marry him during the rehearsal dinner), and acting like a drama queen about it. Rather than being heartwarming and "cute", like how the writers probably intended to it be, it was a widely despised act, regarded as selfish and egotistical on the part of Felicity. It was so hated that even Oliver got his fair share of heat for agreeing to it. Only the hardest of hardcore Olicity shippers enjoyed it -- everyone else, including fans who had barely watched ''Arrow'' before and even those who shipped Olicity, bashed it]].



*** Helena Bertinelli/Huntress was not popular when she debuted, but she becomes one of the most missed characters in the show since her departure along with the likes of Walter Steele, Roy Harper, Slade Wilson, and Thea Queen (Tommy Merlyn, Moira Queen, and Laurel Lance, too, if you count dead characters).



** There was a similar reaction to the casting of Cynthia Addai-Robinson as Amanda Waller. Again, not at the actress herself, who does a fine job playing her, but rather, casting a slimly built woman in her twenties, rather than one with the Wall's traditional build and age. While this is largely due to Waller on the show being modelled after her New 52 counterpart, who ''is'' younger and thinner, her New 52 counterpart's design was controversial when it came in, so modeling her after it raises some questions.

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** There was a similar reaction to the casting of Cynthia Addai-Robinson Creator/CynthiaAddaiRobinson as Amanda Waller.ComicBook/AmandaWaller. Again, not at the actress herself, who does a fine job playing her, but rather, casting a slimly built woman in her twenties, rather than one with the Wall's traditional build and age. While this is largely due to Waller on the show being modelled after her New 52 counterpart, who ''is'' younger and thinner, her New 52 counterpart's design was controversial when it came in, so modeling her after it raises some questions.
13th Apr '18 6:48:29 AM Jediuser
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** Season 6, which has the unenviable task of coming after the well-received Season 5. The first sign of trouble came with [[spoiler:the season premiere revealing that the entirety of Team Arrow survived, with the only casualty on Lian Yu being Samantha Clayton, a character no one particularly cared for, thus invalidating season 5's big cliffhanger.]] Other criticisms are too much focus on Oliver's son William whom doesn't serve much purpose other than to distract Oliver his duty in keeping the city safe, Warner Bros forcing Slade into exile, because of the DCEU, polarizing villains in the form of Michael Emerson's Cayden James, and later Richardo Diaz, who simply don't have the menace or charisma that Prometheus had. The New Recruits sinking even into more unpopularity by breaking off from Team Arrow and forming their own team and acting like petulant brats any time they have to work with their own comrades -- Dinah in particular after [[spoiler: her former boyfriend Vigilante is killed and she's only obsessed with killing Black Siren and will attack ''anyone'' who gets in her way, even Quentin. The whole schism arc simply drags well pass its welcome and consumes the second half of the season.]] In fact episode 6x10: "Brother in Arms" has the dubious distinction of being the first episode where less than a million people tuned into watch.

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** Season 6, which has the unenviable task of coming after the well-received Season 5. The first sign of trouble came with [[spoiler:the season premiere revealing that the entirety of Team Arrow survived, with the only casualty on Lian Yu being Samantha Clayton, a character no one particularly cared for, thus invalidating season 5's big cliffhanger.]] Other criticisms are too much focus on Oliver's son William whom doesn't serve much purpose other than to distract Oliver his duty in keeping the city safe, Warner Bros forcing Slade into exile, because of the DCEU, polarizing villains in the form of Michael Emerson's Cayden James, and later Richardo Diaz, who simply don't have the menace or charisma that Prometheus had. The New Recruits sinking even into more unpopularity by breaking off from Team Arrow and forming their own team and acting like petulant brats any time they have to work with their own comrades -- Dinah in particular after [[spoiler: her former boyfriend Vigilante is killed and she's only obsessed with killing Black Siren and will attack ''anyone'' who gets in her way, even Quentin. The whole schism arc simply drags well pass its welcome and consumes the second half of the season.]] In fact episode 6x10: 6x17: "Brother in Arms" has the dubious distinction of being the first episode where less than a million people tuned into watch.watch (ironically, though, it is seen as one of the season's best episodes and a potential return to form by many critics).
13th Apr '18 5:47:55 AM takeanumbrella
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** Some fans see Felicity having an ItsAllAboutMe complex because she was jealous over Oliver marrying Nyssa even though they were both forced into it, she considered risking the city catching a deathly virus to save Oliver's life (though this was a thought that lasted all of thirty seconds, ''after'' she'd already done her part to help the city and she immediately let Ray save the city and rescued Oliver herself) and she wasn't willing to put Thea in the Lazarus pit in exchange for Oliver joining the league. Was that because she cared about Oliver's soul and didn't trust Malcolm Merlyn, or because she wanted to keep him Oliver with her?
*** Felicity [[spoiler:breaking up with Oliver because he hid William from her. Was she being unsympathetic because he did it because of Samantha's ultimatum and Felicity broke up with him barely a day after Oliver discovered the truth in the original timeline? Or was Felicity justifiably hurt as Oliver could easily have lied to the unreasonable Samantha instead of his fiancee? Also Felicity hiding the fact she was helping Team Arrow while living a normal life with Oliver. Was it because Felicity wanted to allow Oliver a peace of mind to recover and put her own wants on the backburner but Diggle, Laurel and Thea really needed her help so she was trying to keep them happy and Oliver guilt-free? Or was she just being a hypocrite and secret keeping herself? (And in Season 3 she knew both the Atom and Team Arrow at the same time yet kept them secret from each other.) Felicity's character is a big YMMV.]]



** As of the 100th episode is [[spoiler:Oliver still in love with Laurel? While it makes sense in his version of a perfect world that he never went on the boat and never became a vigilante with his parents alive, it's notable that in the perfect world the simulation gives him, he's engaged to Laurel and not Felicity. At one point during the episode, when he's beginning to question everything about the illusion, he outright tells Laurel that the only thing he was sure of was that he loved her. Even after he understands that the world is fake, and after he says his goodbyes to his parents, when the goodbye comes to Laurel, he is shown to be reluctant to go. He tells her that he loves her, but that he wasn't the man she loved, and that she always deserved better than him. When he goes to leave, he looks back for a few seconds as if he is considering staying before he finally goes. All of this has led fans to questioning whether Oliver only said all of that stuff to try and give this Laurel (who to her knowledge has been in love with the simulation version of Oliver and dating him for years) some closure on the fact the man that she loves is vanishing rather than just going without a word, or if this is Oliver telling all the words he wishes he could have said to the actual Laurel before her death and the whole situation was a realization for him that even with her death, he still has feelings for her. [[Recap/ArrowS5E10WhoAreYou "Who Are You?"]] continues on this, as Oliver tries to see the light in Black Siren--even when she's adamant on proving otherwise--with the rationale that he won't fail her like he did his Laurel.]]



** In the episode "Underneath," Felicity finally admits to Oliver that she had been a hypocrite the entire time, especially with how she had treated him over the fact that he didn't tell her about his illegitimate son William and finally admits she had no right to judge him for the difficult decisions he's had to make over the years. At this point, her confession does come off as a bit of an apology letter from the writers to the fans for the way she's behaved from the third to fourth seasons, which turned her from a popular EnsembleDarkhorse to TheScrappy of the series. Though, time will tell if this newfound character development will stick in future seasons.



** Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an Adorkable source of levity to the otherwise serious show and being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being adorable, fun and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made Oliver/Felicity the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, which resulted in making her more emotional and call out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she regained her fun quirks and with it some of her fan-adoration, but by this point had built up enough morally questionable actions herself that she's never called on while the rest of the cast regularly have WhatTheHellHero speeches.

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** Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an Adorkable source of levity to the otherwise serious show and being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being adorable, fun and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made Oliver/Felicity the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, which resulted in making her more emotional and call out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By Season 4, she regained her fun quirks and with Let's just leave it some of her fan-adoration, but by this point had built up enough morally questionable actions herself that she's never called on while the rest of the cast regularly have WhatTheHellHero speeches. at that.



** By Season 4, Felicity had grown into this. Though she's still well-liked by the Olicity shippers, she's received ''considerable'' hate for her more annoying traits. Notably, the problems people had with [[ItsAllAboutMe Thea]] [[{{Hypocrite}} and]] [[TheUnfairSex Laurel]] [[RomanticPlotTumor in]] [[TrappedByMountainLions the]] [[DeusAngstMachina first]] [[CreatorsPet two]] [[CharacterShilling seasons]] seem to have been completely absorbed by Felicity over the third and fourth seasons. It's gotten to the point more than a few fans have stated they wish it was [[spoiler:Felicity in the grave instead of Laurel.]]
*** After the 2017 crossover ''Series/CrisisOnEarthX'', Felicity quite literally became the biggest scrappy in the ''entire'' Arrowverse fandom for [[spoiler:interrupting Barry and Iris' impromptu wedding so she could convince Diggle (who was ordained so he could marry his brother Andy and his wife Carly) to marry her and Oliver as well, making it a double wedding and essentially stealing Barry and Iris' moment. What made this worse is that Felicity spent many of her scenes during the crossover refuting marriage with Oliver (including audibly shouting that she didn't want to marry him during the rehearsal dinner), and acting like a drama queen about it. Rather than being heartwarming and "cute", like how the writers probably intended to it be, it was a widely despised act, regarded as selfish and egotistical on the part of Felicity. It was so hated that even Oliver got his fair share of heat for agreeing to it. Only the hardest of hardcore Olicity shippers enjoyed it -- everyone else, including fans who had barely watched ''Arrow'' before and even those who shipped Olicity, bashed it]].
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