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19th Feb '17 12:38:13 PM ShorinBJ
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* InformedWrongness: A lot is brought up about how wrong it is for Moira and Oliver to keep lying to Thea to protect her, however the moment she found out about Roy she sent him a message leading him right to her endangering the lives of a lot of innocent people. Thea is repeatedly shown not to be able to handle the truth well so itís understandable why they would keep it from her.
* InternetBackdraft: The fandom was decidedly ''not'' happy about the writers [[spoiler: killing off Sara. Partly it was seen as a case of BuryYourGays, partly because it was obviously done to cram the unpopular Laurel into Sara's role (who came to be viewed by many as an [[ReplacementScrappy inferior Canary]]) and partly just because [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter they threw away a popular, complex character]] with an intriguing backstory.]] The writers seemed to be aware of this as [[spoiler:Sara would later return as a main character on ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow''.]]

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* InformedWrongness: A lot is brought up about how wrong it is for Moira and Oliver to keep lying to Thea to protect her, however her. However, the moment she found out about Roy Roy, she sent him a message leading him right to her her, endangering the lives of a lot of innocent people. Thea is repeatedly shown not to be able to handle the truth well well, so itís understandable why they would keep it from her.
* InternetBackdraft: The fandom was decidedly ''not'' happy about the writers [[spoiler: killing [[spoiler:killing off Sara. Partly it was seen as a case of BuryYourGays, partly because it was obviously done to cram the unpopular Laurel into Sara's role (who came to be viewed by many as an [[ReplacementScrappy inferior Canary]]) and partly just because [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter they threw away a popular, complex character]] with an intriguing backstory.]] The writers seemed to be aware of this as [[spoiler:Sara would later return as a main character on ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow''.]]''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow'']].



** Thea. Sure, she's [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], [[SpoiledBrat annoying]], and a huge {{Jerkass}}, but she did also [[JerkassHasAPoint lose both her fathers, have her brother return from an island mentally distant, and have her entire family keep secrets from her]]. [[CharacterDevelopment She gets better later in Season One and during Season Two.]]

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** Thea. Sure, she's [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], [[SpoiledBrat annoying]], and a huge {{Jerkass}}, but she did also [[JerkassHasAPoint lose both her fathers, have her brother return from an island emotionally and mentally distant, and have her entire family keep secrets from her]]. [[CharacterDevelopment She gets better later in Season One and during Season Two.]]



** Malcolm [[spoiler: Merlyn]]. It goes without say that his plan to level The Glades is a horrible thing to do to people, but his genuine love of his wife, the entire situation with her, and his frustration with his inability to improve The Glades with his previous efforts are all sympathetic elements. He then finds out [[spoiler:that he killed the wrong man and that her killer is still out there]].
** As of Season Two, Laurel to some extent has crossed into this. She is VERY vicious about the Hood, having seemingly forgotten all the good he's done, but when he finally goes to see her, [[spoiler: [[TearJerker she recounts how she went back into CNRI after it collapsed and found Tommy dead, and saw the Hood leaving, believing he left him to die]]]]. The fandom is split on this, with the half saying that it's not a real reason for her to be angry while the other half say that Laurel has some justification to be angry at the Hood. However, she herself stops blaming the Hood at the end of the next episode and instead goes into a huge guilt spiral. Unfortunately, the Woobie part is applying less of late; see TheScrappy.

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** Malcolm [[spoiler: Merlyn]].[[spoiler:Merlyn]]. It goes without say that his plan to level The Glades is a horrible thing to do to people, but his genuine love of his wife, the entire situation with her, and his frustration with his inability to improve The Glades with his previous efforts are all sympathetic elements. He then finds out [[spoiler:that he killed the wrong man and that her killer is still out there]].
** As of Season Two, Laurel to some extent has crossed into this. She is VERY vicious about the Hood, having seemingly forgotten all the good he's done, but when he finally goes to see her, [[spoiler: [[TearJerker [[spoiler:[[TearJerker she recounts how she went back into CNRI after it collapsed and found Tommy dead, and saw the Hood leaving, believing he left him to die]]]]. The fandom is split on this, with the half saying that it's not a real reason for her to be angry while the other half say that Laurel has some justification to be angry at the Hood. However, she herself stops blaming the Hood at the end of the next episode and instead goes into a huge guilt spiral. Unfortunately, the Woobie part is applying less of late; see TheScrappy.



*** However, her behavior in the second half of the second season [[spoiler: after discovering that Malcolm Merlyn was her biological father]], which caused her to quickly return to an ItsAllAboutMe attitude and refuse to forgive anyone for keeping the secret from her, wound up firmly placing her back into Scrappy territory.

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*** However, her behavior in the second half of the second season [[spoiler: after [[spoiler:after discovering that Malcolm Merlyn was her biological father]], which caused her to quickly return to an ItsAllAboutMe attitude and refuse to forgive anyone for keeping the secret from her, wound up firmly placing her back into Scrappy territory.



** Sadly, it seems as if this trope was [[InvertedTrope inverted]] for Felicity Smoak. Fans of the show used to like her for being {{Adorkable}} and bringing some humor to a DarkerAndEdgier show, but, starting from season 3, [[SpotlightStealingSquad she was given too much focus]], and took Laurel's place as Oliver's LoveInterest. He had better chemisty with her than he did with Laurel, but it soon became a RomanticPlotTumor just the same. Many people think she's become a CreatorsPet, receiving a lot of CharacterShilling in this show, ''Series/TheFlash2014'' and ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow''. Even some of the "Olicity" shippers were probably glad when they broke up midway through season 4, and wished that it was her in the grave instead of [[spoiler: Laurel]].

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** Sadly, it seems as if this trope was [[InvertedTrope inverted]] for Felicity Smoak. Fans of the show used to like her for being {{Adorkable}} and bringing some humor to a DarkerAndEdgier show, but, starting from season 3, [[SpotlightStealingSquad she was given too much focus]], and took Laurel's place as Oliver's LoveInterest. He had better chemisty with her than he did with Laurel, but it soon became a RomanticPlotTumor just the same. Many people think she's become a CreatorsPet, receiving a lot of CharacterShilling in this show, ''Series/TheFlash2014'' and ''Series/LegendsOfTomorrow''. Even some of the "Olicity" shippers were probably glad when they broke up midway through season 4, and wished that it was her in the grave instead of [[spoiler: Laurel]].[[spoiler:Laurel]]. It didn't help that she broke up with Oliver for incredibly dubious reasons.



** Thea to some fans in the first 2 seasons, due to being a brat who's main redeeming traits were her occasional Heartwarming moments with her family and her surprisingly endearing relationship with Roy Harper. This completely changed in Season 3 when she TookALevelInBadAss, combined with her improved relationship with Oliver (including [[spoiler:discovering Ollie's secret and ''thanking'' him rather than getting angry]]) and her excellently acted character arc with Malcolm Merlyn.

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** Thea to some fans in the first 2 seasons, due to being a brat who's whose main redeeming traits were her occasional Heartwarming moments with her family and her surprisingly endearing relationship with Roy Harper. This completely changed in Season 3 when she TookALevelInBadAss, combined with her improved relationship with Oliver (including [[spoiler:discovering Ollie's secret and ''thanking'' him rather than getting angry]]) and her excellently acted character arc with Malcolm Merlyn.
18th Feb '17 9:43:24 AM X2X
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* AlasPoorScrappy: Well technically, it's more of "Alas, Poor BaseBreakingCharacter," but since said character hadn't fully been RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some fans they still qualify for this. While many people had their reasons to dislike [[spoiler:Laurel Lance/Black Canary]], many found it heart wrenching that the character ended up being the fallen hero in the grave ''before'' [[spoiler:she could gain happiness and further grow into her role as the iconic Black Canary]]. Sadly, [[spoiler: Laurel]] dies at the hands of Damien Darhk in order for him to remind Team Arrow (and the audience) that he's still a serious threat. Despite the character's status, the internet went ''ballistic'' at their death, both from its Tearjerker nature and polarizing execution. See BrokenBase below.

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* AlasPoorScrappy: Well technically, it's more of "Alas, Poor BaseBreakingCharacter," but since said character hadn't fully been RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap for some fans they still qualify for this. While many people had their reasons to dislike [[spoiler:Laurel Lance/Black Canary]], many found it heart wrenching that the character ended up being the fallen hero in the grave ''before'' [[spoiler:she could gain happiness and further grow into her role as the iconic Black Canary]]. Sadly, [[spoiler: Laurel]] [[spoiler:Laurel]] dies at the hands of Damien Darhk in order for him to remind Team Arrow (and the audience) that he's still a serious threat. Despite the character's status, the internet went ''ballistic'' at their death, both from its Tearjerker nature and polarizing execution. See BrokenBase below.



*** Likewise, her LoveConfession to Oliver in Season 4, puts into question how many of her actions were motivated by her feelings for Oliver. When attempting to join Team Arrow, was she trying to save the city or was it just a way to stay in Oliver's life or get him back, or -- as she didn't actually become the Black Canary until she thought he was dead -- a means to honour the man she loved when she thought she lost him? Additionally, whether she privately held her feelings [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy to herself as she encouraged him to be happy]] or was she privately holding out hope he'd eventually come back to her? Given how poorly Oliver treated Laurel - cheating on her while they were together, flaunting his relationship with her sister in front of her, lying to her about his identity for years and treating her harshly after Sara's death - there's also the question of whether Laurel remaining so close to him makes her the stronger, kinder person letting go of past mistakes or a doormat who can't get over a terrible relationship.
*** There's also the flashbacks of [[spoiler: the end of Season 1 directly after Tommy's death. Despite Laurel spiraling and grieving during Season 2, in these the flashbacks Laurel is upbeat and hopeful, pushing to get back together with Oliver, eagerly planning their lives together and even talking about how excited she is for the future. In fact she only breaks down when Oliver leaves again.]] So was her breakdown in Season 2 really over Tommy's death or just triggered by Oliver ditching her again?

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*** Likewise, her LoveConfession to Oliver in Season 4, puts into question how many of her actions were motivated by her feelings for Oliver. When attempting to join Team Arrow, was she trying to save the city or was it just a way to stay in Oliver's life or get him back, or -- as she didn't actually become the Black Canary until she thought he was dead -- a means to honour the man she loved when she thought she lost him? Additionally, whether she privately held her feelings [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy to herself as she encouraged him to be happy]] or was she privately holding out hope he'd eventually come back to her? Given how poorly Oliver treated Laurel - -- cheating on her while they were together, flaunting his relationship with her sister in front of her, lying to her about his identity for years and treating her harshly after Sara's death - -- there's also the question of whether Laurel remaining so close to him makes her the stronger, kinder person letting go of past mistakes or a doormat who can't get over a terrible relationship.
*** There's also the flashbacks of [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the end of Season 1 directly after Tommy's death. Despite Laurel spiraling and grieving during Season 2, in these the flashbacks Laurel is upbeat and hopeful, pushing to get back together with Oliver, eagerly planning their lives together and even talking about how excited she is for the future. In fact she only breaks down when Oliver leaves again.]] So was her breakdown in Season 2 really over Tommy's death or just triggered by Oliver ditching her again?



* ArcFatigue: Hoo-Boy...

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* ArcFatigue: Hoo-Boy...Hoo boy...



** The entire story in season 2 involving Laurel's guilt spiral and her ensuing drug and alcohol problems. It started out as a nice way to provide her with some much-needed CharacterDevelopment considering she was criticized for being a little flat the previous season, but most of the story proceeded to simply show Laurel refusing to budge despite the urgings of her father and her friends. If this wasn't bad enough, this whole thing lasted from the beginning of the season to episode 14; about when the show was halfway through the season. It was enough for many to deem Laurel TheScrappy after simply being a BaseBreakingCharacter previously.

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** The entire story in season 2 involving Laurel's guilt spiral and her ensuing drug and alcohol problems. It started out as a nice way to provide her with some much-needed CharacterDevelopment considering she was criticized for being a little flat the previous season, but most of the story proceeded to simply show Laurel refusing to budge despite the urgings of her father and her friends. If this wasn't bad enough, this whole thing lasted from the beginning of the season to episode Episode 14; about when the show was halfway through the season. It was enough for many to deem Laurel TheScrappy after simply being a BaseBreakingCharacter previously.



** A good chunk of the reasons that Season 3 suffered SeasonalRot are the PacingProblems- elaborated in [[http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/05/20/arrow-season-3-review IGN's review of the season as a whole]]:
*** Firstly, however you might [[BuryYourGays feel]] [[UnfortunateImplications about]] [[spoiler:Sara Lance's]] [[StuffedInTheFridge death]] and [[DroppedABridgeOnHim how it]] [[BackForTheDead was handled]], it took place in Episode 1 and the mystery took ''eight episodes'' to resolve; this had the unfortunate domino effect of delaying Ra's al Ghul's emergence of the BigBad beyond cameos. It also means that the CliffHanger with [[spoiler:Oliver's apparent death]] happened right before the show went on a six-week hiatus, which made the [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot quick resolution]] to it (including the AssPull that [[spoiler:he survived a massive fall due to "determination and will"]]) a WriterCopOut - something that would be averted if it occurred 2 or 3 episodes sooner.

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** A good chunk of the reasons that Season 3 suffered SeasonalRot are the PacingProblems- PacingProblems, as elaborated in [[http://au.ign.com/articles/2015/05/20/arrow-season-3-review IGN's review of the season as a whole]]:
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*** Firstly, however you might [[BuryYourGays feel]] [[UnfortunateImplications about]] [[spoiler:Sara Lance's]] [[StuffedInTheFridge death]] and [[DroppedABridgeOnHim how it]] [[BackForTheDead was handled]], it took place in Episode 1 and the mystery took ''eight episodes'' to resolve; this had the unfortunate domino effect of delaying Ra's al Ghul's emergence of the BigBad beyond cameos. It also means that the CliffHanger with [[spoiler:Oliver's apparent death]] happened right before the show went on a six-week hiatus, which made the [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot quick resolution]] to it (including the AssPull that [[spoiler:he survived a massive fall due to "determination and will"]]) a WriterCopOut - -- something that would be averted if it occurred 2 or 3 episodes sooner.



*** Fourth, the Brick arc offered fresh change of pace for the story, but ending on episode 12 means that over half the season is over with little progress on the main story arc - ending on episode 10 or 11 would have given more breathing room, especially if {{Filler}} were cut down on. It also meant Laurel's "arc" becoming the Black Canary culminates at the half season mark, meaning she took barely ten episodes to take up Sara's mantle.

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*** Fourth, the Brick arc offered fresh change of pace for the story, but ending on episode 12 means that over half the season is over with little progress on the main story arc - -- ending on episode Episode 10 or 11 would have given more breathing room, especially if {{Filler}} were cut down on. It also meant Laurel's "arc" becoming the Black Canary culminates at the half season half-season mark, meaning she took barely ten episodes to take up Sara's mantle.



*** Finally, all these factors combined give the last arc - which features [[spoiler:Oliver as Al Sah-him]] - barely any time to be developed or breath in the final 4 episodes, the final product feeling like a rushed conclusion that doesn't even fully resolve or answer all necessary questions (complete with an AntiClimaxBoss in Ra's al Ghul, whose plan isn't fleshed out enough to make sense in context). Compound this with a tedious flashback arc - that suffers ArcFatigue due to not having enough narrative on it - and it definitely feels like the show is suffering from its own set of growing pains.
** The H.I.V.E/ Genesis arc for season 4, a supposedly cataclysmic plot so devastating [[spoiler:that Malcolm would willingly become Damien Darhk's {{Dragon}} just so Thea and he could survive]]. Despite this we only get minute references throughout the season about the plan moving forward without much elaboration, to the point that it takes until the ''twentieth'' episode, before we finally find out anything significant regarding Genesis and H.I.V.E.'s endgame. To top it off the fact that, for some, Damien Darhk has long since worn out his welcome as a BigBad makes the H.I.V.E storyline even more of a chore to slug through.

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*** Finally, all these factors combined give the last arc - -- which features [[spoiler:Oliver as Al Sah-him]] - -- barely any time to be developed or breath in the final 4 episodes, the final product feeling like a rushed conclusion that doesn't even fully resolve or answer all necessary questions (complete with an AntiClimaxBoss in Ra's al Ghul, whose plan isn't fleshed out enough to make sense in context). Compound this with a tedious flashback arc - -- that suffers ArcFatigue due to not having enough narrative on it - -- and it definitely feels like the show is suffering from its own set of growing pains.
** The H.I.V.E/ Genesis E/Genesis arc for season Season 4, a supposedly cataclysmic plot so devastating [[spoiler:that Malcolm would willingly become Damien Darhk's {{Dragon}} [[TheDragon Dragon]] just so Thea and he could survive]]. Despite this we only get minute references throughout the season about the plan moving forward without much elaboration, to the point that it takes until the ''twentieth'' episode, before we finally find out anything significant regarding Genesis and H.I.V.E.'s endgame. To top it off the fact that, for some, Damien Darhk has long since worn out his welcome as a BigBad makes the H.I.V.E storyline even more of a chore to slug through.



** The revelation that Merlyn survived his "final" duel with Oliver at the end of season 1. It turned out that Merlyn decided to do FakingTheDead because he learned how to make death an "illusion" for himself from his time with the League of Assassins. His survival isn't explained much beyond that, and it isn't even touched on when the League finally takes center stage as the main villains. This was one of the many reasons as to why [[spoiler:Sara Lance's death in the beginning of Season 3 wasn't well-received, as she suffered a similar fate to him yet couldn't survive.]]

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** The revelation that Merlyn survived his "final" duel with Oliver at the end of season Season 1. It turned out that Merlyn decided to do FakingTheDead because he learned how to make death an "illusion" for himself from his time with the League of Assassins. His survival isn't explained much beyond that, and it isn't even touched on when the League finally takes center stage as the main villains. This was one of the many reasons as to why [[spoiler:Sara Lance's death in the beginning of Season 3 wasn't well-received, as she suffered a similar fate to him yet couldn't survive.]]survive]].



** In mid-Season 5, [[spoiler:a woman named Tina Boland, who has the exact powers as Laurel's Earth-2 counterpart, was directly shoehorned into the plot with tons of {{Contrived Coincidence}}s exactly as when Oliver is searching for a new Black Canary. But the real kicker is this Tina actually being "Dinah Drake", despite the fact that said character has already appeared]].

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** In mid-Season Midway through Season 5, [[spoiler:a woman named Tina Boland, who has the exact powers as Laurel's Earth-2 counterpart, was directly shoehorned into the plot with tons of {{Contrived Coincidence}}s exactly as when Oliver is searching for a new Black Canary. But the real kicker is this Tina actually being "Dinah Drake", Drake," despite the fact that said character has already appeared]].



** Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an Adorkable source of levity to the otherwise serious show and being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being adorable, fun and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made Oliver/Felicity the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, which resulted in making her more emotional and call out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By season 4, she regained her fun quirks and with it some of her fan-adoration, but by this point had built up enough morally questionable actions herself that she's never called on while the rest of the cast regularly have WhatTheHellHero speeches.

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** Felicity: Initially Felicity was very popular for being an Adorkable source of levity to the otherwise serious show and being the only female character who wasn't regularly yelling at Oliver, though had a small number of detractors who called her a CreatorsPet. During Season 2, Felicity was generally still popular for being adorable, fun and the most innocent member of the team, although some felt she lacked any depth compared to the others because she didn't do many things wrong. Season 3 made Oliver/Felicity the OfficialCouple and brought the typical relationship drama that made fans turn off of the originally planned Oliver/Laurel, which resulted in making her more emotional and call out Oliver over any morally questionable act he did, further splitting fans between those who sympathized with Oliver and those who agreed with Felicity. By season Season 4, she regained her fun quirks and with it some of her fan-adoration, but by this point had built up enough morally questionable actions herself that she's never called on while the rest of the cast regularly have WhatTheHellHero speeches.



** Season 5 gives us Tina Boland. [[spoiler:She is set to become Laurel's successor as the Black Canary and was immediately introduced after the appearance of Black Siren, the fan-favorite to take the mantle, and was given tons of CharacterShilling by other characters at the expense of continuity (she is revealed to be Dinah Drake, who is already introduced as Laurel and Sara's mother). The writers also prop her in social media a lot and would defend her against detractors.]]

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** Season 5 gives us Tina Boland. [[spoiler:She is set to become Laurel's successor as the Black Canary and was immediately introduced after the appearance of Black Siren, the fan-favorite to take the mantle, and was given tons of CharacterShilling by other characters at the expense of continuity (she is revealed to be Dinah Drake, who is already introduced as Laurel and Sara's mother). The writers also prop her in social media a lot and would defend her against detractors.]]]] Interestingly, a good number of fans don't so much hate the character (or her actress) so much as they hate what she represents: [[AssPull lazy writing]] and a cheaply enacted "reset" done to "give the fans what they wanted" (i.e. [[spoiler:a comics-accurate Black Canary]]) but without doing ''any'' of the work or putting the right person in the role (i.e. [[spoiler:Laurel, who basically gets several seasons' worth of development negated in the process]]). The common consensus is that Tina [[spoiler:captures the attitude and poise expected of the character]], which only to leads to fans asking why [[spoiler:the show couldn't have simply handled Laurel and/or Black Siren in the same way from the start]].



** Tina Boland, who is [[spoiler:set to replace Laurel as the new Black Canary. It does not help that she was introduced ''immediately'' after Laurel's Earth-2 counterpart Black Siren's debut in this show, who a majority of the fans wanted to see take [[HeelFaceTurn a redemption arc]] to take up her late Earth-1 counterpart's mantle. Not only does [[Recap/ArrowS5E11SecondChances "Second Chances"]] establish Tina as a revenge-driven vigilante who has no qualms with killing (similar to Oliver in S1), but she's said to have better control of the Canary Cry than Black Siren (who could ''[[Recap/TheFlash2014S2E22Invincible level buildings]]'' if she so chose) in addition to being a highly capable hand-to-hand combatant. Furthermore, there's the ''many'' {{contriv|edCoincidence}}ances of a crime-fighting meta with the same powers as Earth-2!Laurel falling right into Team Arrow's lap, which Rory says is fate. All of this reeks of [[CharacterShilling the writers trying to present the character as "better" than either Laurel and thus perfect for the role]]. And then came the WhamLine: Tina is just her alias for undercover work; her real name is Dinah Drake, making her ''yet another'' DecompositeCharacter of the Black Canary. This only caused ''more'' InternetBackdraft, from both Laurel fans ''and'' Olicity supporters. It got worse where in the subsequent episode she took up the role of Oliver's confidant and conscience just like Laurel, meaning she was essentially the Coy and Vance Dukes of Arrow]]

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** Then there's Tina Boland, who is [[spoiler:set to replace Laurel as the new Black Canary. It does not help that she was introduced ''immediately'' after Laurel's Earth-2 counterpart Black Siren's debut in this show, who a majority of the fans wanted to see take [[HeelFaceTurn a redemption arc]] to take up her late Earth-1 counterpart's mantle. Not only does [[Recap/ArrowS5E11SecondChances "Second Chances"]] establish Tina as a revenge-driven vigilante who has no qualms with killing (similar to Oliver in S1), but she's said to have better control of the Canary Cry than Black Siren (who could ''[[Recap/TheFlash2014S2E22Invincible level buildings]]'' if she so chose) in addition to being a highly capable hand-to-hand combatant. Furthermore, there's the ''many'' {{contriv|edCoincidence}}ances of a crime-fighting meta with the same powers as Earth-2!Laurel falling right into Team Arrow's lap, which Rory says is fate. All of this reeks of [[CharacterShilling the writers trying to present the character as "better" than either Laurel and thus perfect for the role]]. And then came the WhamLine: Tina is just her alias for undercover work; her real name is Dinah Drake, making her ''yet another'' DecompositeCharacter of the Black Canary. This only caused ''more'' InternetBackdraft, from both Laurel fans ''and'' Olicity supporters. It got worse where [[Recap/ArrowS5E12Bratva in the subsequent episode episode]] where she took up the role of Oliver's confidant and conscience just like Laurel, meaning she was essentially the Coy and Vance Dukes of Arrow]]''Arrow''.]]



** Season Three introduced Chase, an obnoxious, cocky DJ working at Verdant who was teased as a love interest for Thea. ''Nobody'' wanted another RomanticPlotTumor when there were way more interesting storylines developing, so fans were thrilled when it was revealed [[spoiler: that Chase works for the League of Assassins]].

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** Season Three 3 introduced Chase, an obnoxious, cocky DJ working at Verdant who was teased as a love interest for Thea. ''Nobody'' wanted another RomanticPlotTumor when there were way more interesting storylines developing, so fans were thrilled when it was revealed [[spoiler: that Chase works for the League of Assassins]].



*** [[spoiler:Then her villainous Earth-2 doppelganger, Black Siren, makes an appearance in the next season, [[DeadPersonImpersonation posing as the Earth-1 Laurel]]. [[Recap/ArrowS5E10WhoAreYou A lot of development is given to the character]], [[TraumaCongaLine explaining that]] the loss of her Oliver (on Earth-2, it was Robert Queen who came back from the ''Queen's Gambit'' shipwreck) and then becoming a meta after her move to Earth-2 Central City coincided with the Particle Accelerator Explosion [[StartOfDarkness led her down a very dark path]]. This would make for an intriguing redemption storyline, as Oliver hopes to bring this Laurel back to the light after he failed [[TheLostLenore his Laurel]], right? Right? '''WRONG'''! After all, [[CreatorsPet Felicity]] outright hates her from the start, claiming she never could replace Laurel, and any competition to ''[[SarcasmMode everybody's favorite love story, Olicity]]'' can't be around. So all the progress with the character is shot out the window, Black Siren reveals she was merely EvilAllAlong, with no chance of redemption, and Oliver and Felicity are determined to find someone worthy of the Black Canary's mantle--a character who will inevitably be viewed as a poor substitute for ''both'' Laurels by a significant portion of the fanbase due to criticism regarding how their characters and arcs were (mis)handled to set up the introduction of a ''fourth'' Black Canary.]]

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*** [[spoiler:Then her villainous Earth-2 doppelganger, Black Siren, makes an appearance in the next season, [[DeadPersonImpersonation posing as the Earth-1 Laurel]]. [[Recap/ArrowS5E10WhoAreYou A lot of development is given to the character]], [[TraumaCongaLine explaining that]] the loss of her Oliver (on Earth-2, it was Robert Queen who came back from the ''Queen's Gambit'' shipwreck) and then becoming a meta after her move to Earth-2 Central City coincided with the Particle Accelerator Explosion [[StartOfDarkness led her down a very dark path]]. This would make for an intriguing redemption storyline, as Oliver hopes to bring this Laurel back to the light after he failed [[TheLostLenore his Laurel]], right? Right? '''WRONG'''! After all, [[CreatorsPet Felicity]] outright hates her from the start, claiming she never could replace Laurel, and any competition to ''[[SarcasmMode everybody's favorite love story, Olicity]]'' can't be around. So all the progress with the character is shot out the window, Black Siren reveals she was merely EvilAllAlong, with no chance of redemption, and Oliver and Felicity are determined to find someone worthy of the Black Canary's mantle--a character who will inevitably be viewed as [[ReplacementScrappy a poor substitute substitute]] for ''both'' Laurels by a significant portion of the fanbase due to criticism regarding how their characters and arcs were (mis)handled to set up the introduction of a ''fourth'' Black Canary.]]
16th Feb '17 2:05:48 PM Pren
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** As well-meaning as it is, "Spectre of the Gun" can get pretty laughable as the entire episode is spent on a Debating 101 level discussion of gun control, with Curtis and Rene as the designated mouthpieces on both sides and zero characterization beyond that, paired with a flashback story meant to explain Rene's anti-control position that ''really'' seems like it would have pushed him the other way. And then the resolution is Oliver and a strawman conservative politician supposedly hammering out a new bill that, from what little we hear of it, doesn't seem like it actually changes a damn thing.
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** Similarly, Stephen Amell's attempts at speaking Mandarin Chinese. In one particular scene, Oliver intimidates a blinded Triad member before making a getaway, and all the man can say to his fellows is that the man "must be Chinese" because "his Chinese was perfect." Obviously this would throw them off of Oliver's trail... if it were true. But Oliver's "Chinese" lines as delivered are nigh incomprehensible to a Chinese speaker without the English subtitles. (All other Chinese-speaking characters do speak authentic-sounding Chinese, however.)

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** Similarly, Stephen Amell's attempts at speaking Mandarin Chinese. In one particular scene, Oliver intimidates a blinded Triad member before making a getaway, and all the man can say to his fellows is that the man that attacked him "must be Chinese" because "his Chinese was perfect." Obviously this would throw them off of Oliver's trail... if it were true. But Oliver's "Chinese" lines as delivered are nigh incomprehensible to a Chinese speaker without the English subtitles.subtitles, so suspension of disbelief is a bit... hard. (All other Chinese-speaking characters do speak authentic-sounding Chinese, however.)
9th Feb '17 8:58:35 AM MightyManrock
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** Similarly, Stephen Amell's attempts at speaking Mandarin Chinese. In one particular scene, Oliver intimidates a blinded Triad member before making a getaway, and all the man can say to his fellows is that the man "must be Chinese" because "his Chinese was perfect." Obviously this would throw them off of Oliver's trail, and yet the line delivered is nigh incomprehensible to a Chinese speaker without the English subtitle. (All other Chinese-speaking characters do speak authentic-sounding Chinese, however.)

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** Similarly, Stephen Amell's attempts at speaking Mandarin Chinese. In one particular scene, Oliver intimidates a blinded Triad member before making a getaway, and all the man can say to his fellows is that the man "must be Chinese" because "his Chinese was perfect." Obviously this would throw them off of Oliver's trail, and yet the line trail... if it were true. But Oliver's "Chinese" lines as delivered is are nigh incomprehensible to a Chinese speaker without the English subtitle.subtitles. (All other Chinese-speaking characters do speak authentic-sounding Chinese, however.)
8th Feb '17 9:30:02 PM Pren
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** With Season 4, a lot of fans took issue with how Oliver suffered TheWorfEffect against multiple villains while requiring more help from his allies to save him. In the Season 5 premier, "Legacy," Oliver Queen [[spoiler: takes on Anarky, the one Season 4 villain he had the most trouble fighting before, and finally defeats him decisively in a one-on-one duel]], quite possibly reversing the BadassDecay he suffered last season.

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** With Season 4, a lot of fans took issue with how Oliver suffered TheWorfEffect against multiple villains while requiring more help from his allies to save him. In the Season 5 premier, "Legacy," Oliver Queen [[spoiler: takes on Anarky, the one Season 4 villain he had the most trouble fighting before, and finally defeats him decisively in a one-on-one duel]], quite possibly reversing the BadassDecay he suffered last season. Later, his new team tries to rebel against his orders and he puts them all down in about five seconds, leaving them shocked that their previous TrainingFromHell was actually him going ''easy'' on them.
8th Feb '17 7:20:39 PM ProfessorGrimm
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** Tina Boland, who is [[spoiler:set to replace Laurel as the new Black Canary. It does not help that she was introduced ''immediately'' after Laurel's Earth-2 counterpart Black Siren's debut in this show, who a majority of the fans wanted to see take [[HeelFaceTurn a redemption arc]] to take up her late Earth-1 counterpart's mantle. Not only does [[Recap/ArrowS5E11SecondChances "Second Chances"]] establish Tina as a revenge-driven vigilante who has no qualms with killing (similar to Oliver in S1), but she's said to have better control of the Canary Cry than Black Siren (who could ''[[Recap/TheFlash2014S2E22Invincible level buildings]]'' if she so chose) in addition to being a highly capable hand-to-hand combatant. Furthermore, there's the ''many'' {{contriv|edCoincidence}}ances of a crime-fighting meta with the same powers as Earth-2!Laurel falling right into Team Arrow's lap, which Rory says is fate. All of this reeks of [[CharacterShilling the writers trying to present the character as "better" than either Laurel and thus perfect for the role]]. And then came the WhamLine: Tina is just her alias for undercover work; her real name is Dinah Drake, making her ''yet another'' DecompositeCharacter of the Black Canary. This only caused ''more'' InternetBackdraft, from both Laurel fans ''and'' Olicity supporters.]]

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** Tina Boland, who is [[spoiler:set to replace Laurel as the new Black Canary. It does not help that she was introduced ''immediately'' after Laurel's Earth-2 counterpart Black Siren's debut in this show, who a majority of the fans wanted to see take [[HeelFaceTurn a redemption arc]] to take up her late Earth-1 counterpart's mantle. Not only does [[Recap/ArrowS5E11SecondChances "Second Chances"]] establish Tina as a revenge-driven vigilante who has no qualms with killing (similar to Oliver in S1), but she's said to have better control of the Canary Cry than Black Siren (who could ''[[Recap/TheFlash2014S2E22Invincible level buildings]]'' if she so chose) in addition to being a highly capable hand-to-hand combatant. Furthermore, there's the ''many'' {{contriv|edCoincidence}}ances of a crime-fighting meta with the same powers as Earth-2!Laurel falling right into Team Arrow's lap, which Rory says is fate. All of this reeks of [[CharacterShilling the writers trying to present the character as "better" than either Laurel and thus perfect for the role]]. And then came the WhamLine: Tina is just her alias for undercover work; her real name is Dinah Drake, making her ''yet another'' DecompositeCharacter of the Black Canary. This only caused ''more'' InternetBackdraft, from both Laurel fans ''and'' Olicity supporters.]] It got worse where in the subsequent episode she took up the role of Oliver's confidant and conscience just like Laurel, meaning she was essentially the Coy and Vance Dukes of Arrow]]
8th Feb '17 1:59:44 AM Snowy66
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** Cupid, a StalkerWithACrush who's quite a fun villain among the darker tone of the show, with all of her ridiculous flirtatious lines to Arrow being hilarious.


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** "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LIAO-Ch9jE I'm Cupid, stupid!]]"
5th Feb '17 9:34:16 PM speyeker
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*** [[spoiler: Black Siren arguably crosses it herself by putting this plan in action, if she hadn't already crossed it earlier [[Recap/TheFlash2014S2E22Invincible by carrying out Zoom's destructive plans]]]].
4th Feb '17 5:28:15 AM hubakon1368
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** [[spoiler:Using [[Series/TheFlash2014 Flashpoint]] could have helped with a CosmicRetcon to negate all the negative aspects of the two consecutive {{Seasonal Rot}}s but the egos of majority of the showrunners' egos just won't let them budge.]]

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** [[spoiler:Using [[Series/TheFlash2014 Flashpoint]] could have helped with a CosmicRetcon to negate all the negative aspects of the two consecutive {{Seasonal Rot}}s but the egos of majority of the showrunners' egos just won't let them budge.]]
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