Discussion YMMV / Arrow

I came to make a simple edit and noticed some odd editing, looking like an entry had been removed and left a sub-entry. Checking history, I discovered that somebody had gone through and tried to remove everything that called Felicity a Scrappy or Creator's Pet, called Olicity a Romantic Plot Tumor, noted the positive turn Laurel got in season 4 and the controversy of her death. A LOT of these were so poorly done they left entries half-finished, poorly worded to replace what was removed, and looking like someone had left a bunch of scars behind after an invasive surgery. But worst of all, it looked extremely childish; things as simple as memes that shit on Felicity were removed and everything negative was censored. I've done my best to restore it and fix some, but noting this here for transparency.

This shouldn't be a point of discussion, but if an audience reaction exists, then we note it here. If its the biggest, most vocal reaction among the fandom, then we definitely note it. And hating Felicity is probably the most well-known thing about this show's audience reaction.

Here's an idea I have been pondering. I think Arrow should have its own tab for Author's Saving Throw. In Arrow's YMMV page Author's Saving Throw has 28 bullet points. For comparison, the movie Avengers: Infinity War has its own page with nine bullet points. I will be making this post to both Arrow's YMMV and Author's Saving Throw Discussion pages. Now does anyone have any thoughts in response.

The Scrappy section has gotten pretty big and I feel it needs some trimming. I've made it a discussion item rather than outright changing it because I anticipate that some will disagree with whom is or isn't a Scrappy.

Characters that should be removed:

• Laurel and Thea: their Scrappy status was gone ever since their character development in later seasons.
• The Huntress: she hasn't been seen since Season 2 and all of her appearances in the show can be counted on one hand. If what is written under Vindicated by History is accurete, the fans are willing to give this incarnation of Huntress another chance.
• The FBI lady: Yeah, she's a bitch. But we're not supposed to like her either. Trope for characters like this are Inspector Javert and Hate Sink.
• The Olicity shipping neighbors: I don't like them either, but they've only made very few appearances that I cannot even count them as real characters.

Keep as The Scrappy:

• Felicity: Is there a way to simplify the current paragraphs?
• Ra's al Ghul: he had potential, but Badass Decay set in.
• William: he's a living plot device than an actual character.
• Dinah: I do not hate her personally, but she is a Replacement Scrappy and the writers poor attempt at damage control for Laurel's death.

Unsure how to classify these:

• Andy: his character was off putting because of how inconsistent the writers were. John and his family spoke of him as a really cool and amazing person back in season 1. What we got onscreen in season 4 wasn't and his evil deeds came across as narmy. In the end, the viewers weren't meant to mourn him.
• Rene: he was a Scrappy in early season 5, then redeemed, and back again come mid season 6 until he and Oliver reconcile. Where does he stand now?
• Curtis: his Scrappy status was a package deal when the team split. Now that season 6 is over, is he still a Scrappy?

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• Franchise Original Sin: Most of the problems that befell later seasons and would come to plague the other Arrowverse shows can be found in the first two seasons of Arrow: forced romances, constant Rogues' Gallery Transplants, characters from the comics being Demoted to Extra or suffering cases of In Name Only or Chuck Cunningham Syndrome left and right, the abuse of characters coming Back from the Dead, and characters constantly—constantly—keeping secrets from each other, often at the expense of common sense.

While I agree with the statement, Franchise Original Sin requires an explanation as to why those flaws were lesss a problem in the earlier season or easier to ignore.

Why is it that Felicity isn't designated a Scrappy, even though the vitriol towards her is equal to that of what was leveled at Laurel at Season 2 and that made her a Scrappy?

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Ras Al Ghul, a designated Villain?

I'm sorry, but did these people miss the part where he was okay with an 'ENTIRE CITY to be slaughtered to go after one guy, because of 'honor'. This guy proves that not only he is okay with a massacre in the 6 digits, If not the 7 digits, just to end one man, but he is a hypocrite! Hell, Malcom found Slade insane for that exact reason! If anything, Malcom is more moral then Ras!

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• Unfortunate Implications: The death of Sara in the Season Three premiere, as one of the only two canonically LGBT characters in-show, and one of only a handful of LGBT superheroes in non-comic superhero media. Particularly grating since she's a high-ranking member of the League of Assassins, who are trained never to be taken by surprise and to catch arrows in mid-air, especially compared to Tommy and Moira's death's (the only other important deaths, and happen to both be straight), who were non-action characters who both died in Heroic Sacrifice moments, giving them a great deal of dignity to their deaths. Sara, by comparison, is killed off rather carelessly (and far more violently), without even letting her storyline end. It is made almost worse by the fact that she died from being shot and a relatively short fall - although she was dead before she hit the ground - compared to Oliver's more egregious injuries in The Climb. The producers have stated (though they may be lying) that Oliver did not actually die, so the idea that his injuries were not enough to kill him while Sara's were is even more upsetting to some fans.

Pulled this for a broken link. Also, it's very wall of texty, so someone should probably cut it down a bit.

Link in question: http://www.afterellen.com/arrow-stuffs-sara-in-a-refrigerator-is-sorry-not-sorry/10/2014/

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!

Does Strangled by the Red String even belong here anymore? After last night's episode, it's become clear to me that said relationship's become a thing of the past - Ollie and Laurel are barely friendly to one another anymore. That said, it was important in Season One, but, objectively speaking, did it really qualify as this trope back when there was no question about Lauliver being endgame? Answers on a postcard.

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Cut this trope. It's already in the main page. Why is it in two places?

• Moral Dissonance: Oliver's current methods for 'saving' his beloved city. To date, he's 'gone after' two minor crime bosses, and although he's defeated them both, one is still at large (though significantly poorer), the other is under arrest thanks to evidence whose admissibility is questionable at best, and neither of them suffered more than (literally) a tiny scratch in their confrontations with Oliver. Balance this against the approximately two dozen underlings that Arrow has ruthlessly murdered in the pursuit of his goals. While some of them were indeed criminals themselves, most of them were killed while doing nothing more threatening than standing watch and/or defending themselves from attack.
  • Even worse, Adam Hunt was simply a corrupt businessman, and his bodyguards might well have been completely unaware of his criminal activities. In the course of storming his offices, Oliver cut down eight or more men whose only crime was doing their job and trying to stop an armed man who was trying to reach their employer. Thus far, Arrow's message to Starling City seems to be that the rich and powerful criminals should look forward to receiving a slap on the wrist, while any minor, and perhaps even mostly harmless criminal—OR completely honest individual who happens to work security for the wrong individual, even unknowingly-can expect a swift and brutal end. This, from our 'Hero'.
  • Well, one's out $40 million, the other is rotting in jail and at the very least has been outed as a criminal and a murderer, and the third episode's Corrupt Corporate Executive got picked off by Deadshot. None of these guys really got a slap on the wrist, although they're all undeniably deserving of an arrow to the face. Also of note is the fact that the show itself notes that Ollie's methods are not great.
    • Ollie didn't kill the bodyguards. Hunt clearly says Arrow "put them in the hospital."
      • He shot an arrow into their chest into a lot of them. That's like firing a gun into their chest and than say 'Nah, they're fine'.
      • Except for the fact that it's easy to take an arrow to the chest and survive. Arrows do significantly less damage than bullets, because they're only able to penetrate so deep before getting stuck, and also because they fly much slower.
      • Also, given his onscreen kill, the expectation is set that while he's not necessarily trying to kill mooks, he's not exactly concerned about their ability to live either. And note that being put in the hospital doesn't imply life or death. They could still die or be permanently maimed as easily as they could recover.

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