History YMMV / ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog

21st May '16 7:51:40 AM SparksOfTheTempest
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** The DEL's post-reboot counterpart, the Egg Army, also falls into this. While many Egg Bosses, such as Thunderbolt, are pure evil, others, like Clove and Nepthys, are treated sympathetically. Both only joined the Eggman Empire out of desperation rather than loyalty to Eggman (Clove joined so that Eggman could save her sister from a debilitating disease, while Nepthys joined to keep the Eggman Empire from completely taking control of Shamar by locking her division of the Egg Army into a stalemate with her longtime friends, the Shamar Freedom Fighters).

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** The DEL's post-reboot counterpart, the Egg Army, also falls into this. While many Egg Bosses, such as Thunderbolt, are pure evil, others, like Clove and Nepthys, are treated sympathetically. Both only joined the Eggman Empire out of desperation rather than loyalty to Eggman (Clove Eggman. Clove joined so that Eggman could save her sister from a debilitating disease, while Nepthys joined to keep the Eggman Empire from completely taking control of Shamar by locking her division of the Egg Army into a stalemate with her longtime friends, the Shamar Freedom Fighters).Fighters. Even Conquering Storm, who falls very much into evil on the alignment scale, is shown to be somewhat reasonable compared to the people she's fighting; whereas the different clans of Yurashia are highly antagonistic of one another and refuse to work together, she welcomes anyone and everyone into the Egg Clan, provided they pull their weight.
21st May '16 7:47:35 AM SparksOfTheTempest
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** All of the Egg Bosses in general ever since the reboot. It helps they're written as being far from one-dimensional villains, being morally complex and having their own reasons for joining the Eggman Empire.
18th May '16 12:21:21 AM SamMax
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* VindicatedByHistory: Whereas Ken Penders is considered DeaderThanDisco, Karl Boilers is the opposite. Back in the day, many hated Bollers' stories, especially issue 134 where Sonic and Sally broke up. While that story is still hated and his reputation still isn't perfect, he's held in much higher regard than he was, with many of his stories like Return to Angel Island getting more respect. It helps that the man himself has shown himself a good sport about things unlike his former colleague Penders.
17th May '16 9:43:11 AM BlackYakuzu94
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** The "Shattered World" arc is starting to lean into this since it's been going on for nearly three years now. The "World Unite" crossover popping up in the the middle of the story and delaying things is not helping matters.

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** The "Shattered World" arc is starting to lean into this since it's been going on for nearly three years now. The "World Unite" crossover (Which is generally considered a major step down from the first crossover) popping up in the the middle of the story and delaying things is not helping matters.only compounded this.
11th May '16 8:00:59 PM Austin
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** Creator/KenPenders slipping an [[HoYay implied homosexual relationship between Rotor and Echidna scientist Cobar]] in his "25 Years Later" arc could be much more easily done after the HoYay ending between Korra and Asami at the end of ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' 10 years later, which went a little further than sub-text.
6th May '16 9:28:26 PM tentimetrue
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* TheScrappy: Tommy Turtle probably got it the worst, but Dulcy and pre-Character Development Antoine had no few detractors. Mind you none of them had ''anything'' on [[SonicX Chris Thorndyke]].

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* TheScrappy: Tommy Turtle probably got it the worst, but Dulcy and pre-Character Development Antoine had no few detractors. Mind you none of them had ''anything'' on [[SonicX Chris Thorndyke]].
5th May '16 9:19:27 AM ChaoticFinitevus
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** The "Shattered World" arc is starting to lean into this since it's been going on for a year now. The "World Unite" crossover popping up in the the middle of the story and delaying things is not helping matters.

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** The "Shattered World" arc is starting to lean into this since it's been going on for a year nearly three years now. The "World Unite" crossover popping up in the the middle of the story and delaying things is not helping matters.
28th Apr '16 7:36:08 PM MyFinalEdits
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* ArcFatigue: It's generally agreed that "Iron Dominion" overstayed its welcome. Some are willing to forgive for setting up the epic "Genesis" story arc, but this is far from universal.

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It's generally agreed that "Iron Dominion" overstayed its welcome. Some are willing to forgive for setting up the epic "Genesis" story arc, but this is far from universal.



* ArchivePanic: It can be hard to get into the comic at first because of its vast, complex backstory developed over 200 issues, any one of which can be referenced at random in a newer issue.
** Though thanks to the retcon, it provides a good jumping on point without having to worry too much about history. Though how long that lasts...
*** Creator/KenPenders is gone so we're probably good.

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* ArchivePanic: It can be hard to get into the comic at first because of its vast, complex backstory developed over 200 issues, any one of which can be referenced at random in a newer issue.
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issue. Though thanks to the retcon, it provides a good jumping on point without having to worry too much about history. Though how long that lasts...
*** Creator/KenPenders is gone so we're probably good.
history.



* BizarroEpisode: "Sonic Live" (in which Sonic and pals travel to the real world and interact with real kids) and Super Special #17 (a crossover with characters from Creator/ImageComics of all places). So much so that neither is considered canon by fans or the creators.

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"Sonic Live" (in which Sonic and pals travel to the real world and interact with real kids) and Super Special #17 (a crossover with characters from Creator/ImageComics of all places). So much so that neither is considered canon by fans or the creators.



* BrokenBase: SeasonalRot is largely the cause of this. Where did the DorkAge start? Where did it end? ''Did'' it end? Was Sally's {{Chickification}} justified, or was it a hideously huge breach of established character just to [[ShipSinking sink the fanbase's largest ship]]? The typical benchmarks are that the series started to decline after ''Endgame'', took a full-on nosedive during the Bem/Xorda arc, and has only started recovering since issue #160 with Ian Flynn being head writer.

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SeasonalRot is largely the cause of this. Where did the DorkAge start? Where did it end? ''Did'' it end? Was Sally's {{Chickification}} justified, or was it a hideously huge breach of established character just to [[ShipSinking sink the fanbase's largest ship]]? The typical benchmarks are that the series started to decline after ''Endgame'', took a full-on nosedive during the Bem/Xorda arc, and has only started recovering since issue #160 with Ian Flynn being head writer.



* ContinuityLockOut: The first couple of issues of ''Sonic Universe'' have this problem. #1 gave such a quick summary of ''Sonic Rush Adventure'' that only people who played the game knew what was going on. Also, #1 continued from ''Sonic X'' #40 (a whole different series), which continued from ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' #196, which was part of a large story arc from the main series. #2 was an adaptation of ''Sonic Adventure 2'' (probably an attempt to explain how it ''did'' fit into the continuity, as the original adaptation didn't really tell the reader much of anything about the game's story or how it fit into continuity), but would probably be pretty confusing to anyone who didn't play the original game.
** This may be why the Sonic the Hedgehog comic offering for the 2009 Free Comic Book Day was more of a lengthy synopsis about the characters and the story than anything else...
** It should be noted that they can't get too into the ''VideoGame/{{Sonic Rush|Series}}'' side of things, as they're apparently forbidden from using Eggman Nega beyond a few ominous references. ...And one "Off Panel" strip.
** This is the fate of the pre-[=Nu252=] comics due to the fact that it relies so much on characters and concepts created by people not named Ian Flynn.

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* ContinuityLockOut: ContinuityLockOut:
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The first couple of issues of ''Sonic Universe'' have this problem. #1 gave such a quick summary of ''Sonic Rush Adventure'' that only people who played the game knew what was going on. Also, #1 continued from ''Sonic X'' #40 (a whole different series), which continued from ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' #196, which was part of a large story arc from the main series. #2 was an adaptation of ''Sonic Adventure 2'' (probably an attempt to explain how it ''did'' fit into the continuity, as the original adaptation didn't really tell the reader much of anything about the game's story or how it fit into continuity), but would probably be pretty confusing to anyone who didn't play the original game.
** This may be why the Sonic the Hedgehog comic offering for the 2009 Free Comic Book Day was more of a lengthy synopsis about the characters and the story than anything else...
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game. It should be noted that they can't get too into the ''VideoGame/{{Sonic Rush|Series}}'' side of things, as they're apparently forbidden from using Eggman Nega beyond a few ominous references. ...And one "Off Panel" strip.
** This is the fate of the pre-[=Nu252=] comics due to the fact that because it relies so much on characters and concepts created by people not named Ian Flynn.



* DeaderThanDisco: Not the comic itself, but the Endgame story, once considered one of the best arcs of the comic, is getting less and less loved over time, thanks in no small part to Penders' actions. Many, if not most are considering it an IdiotPlot.

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Not the comic itself, but the Endgame story, once considered one of the best arcs of the comic, is getting less and less loved over time, thanks in no small part to Penders' actions. Many, if not most are considering it an IdiotPlot.



* EvilIsSexy: Lien-Da. A sexy as hell Echidna girl in skintight leather and a habit of whip wielding? What's not to like here?

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Lien-Da. A sexy as hell Echidna girl in skintight leather and a habit of whip wielding? What's not to like here?



* FandomRivalry: With Fleetway's ''ComicBook/SonicTheComic''.

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With Fleetway's ''ComicBook/SonicTheComic''.



* GrowingTheBeard: It's generally agreed that the comic became genuinely good around the issue 25 mark (which introduced [[EnsembleDarkhorse Metal Sonic]] into the comic and was where the comic developed an actual plot). It lost its beard during the comic's DorkAge and there's debate as to where or if it regrew; some feel that Ian Flynn taking over restored the comic's respectability, others see the reboot as the comic finally doing away with the massive ContinuitySnarl and unmanageably large cast (not to mention Sega personally intervening to end Metal Sonic's BadassDecay and get rid of the RomanticPlotTumor), and of course there are those who feel that it ''never'' regrew.

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It's generally agreed that the comic became genuinely good around the issue 25 mark (which introduced [[EnsembleDarkhorse Metal Sonic]] into the comic and was where the comic developed an actual plot). It lost its beard during the comic's DorkAge and there's debate as to where or if it regrew; some feel that Ian Flynn taking over restored the comic's respectability, others see the reboot as the comic finally doing away with the massive ContinuitySnarl and unmanageably large cast (not to mention Sega personally intervening to end Metal Sonic's BadassDecay and get rid of the RomanticPlotTumor), and of course there are those who feel that it ''never'' regrew.



* HarsherInHindsight: From his first introduction Silver mistakenly thought the Freedom Fighter Traitor was Sonic to counter his first Sega in game appearance. His second guess was really made in Sonic Universe 6 where upon realizing the Freedom Fighters disbanded because Queen Sally thought they were no longer needed. Silver guess this but for the first and only time he thought he was wrong. Fast forward a couple hundred comics later and it turns out he was somewhat right.

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From his first introduction Silver mistakenly thought the Freedom Fighter Traitor was Sonic to counter his first Sega in game appearance. His second guess was really made in Sonic Universe 6 where upon realizing the Freedom Fighters disbanded because Queen Sally thought they were no longer needed. Silver guess this but for the first and only time he thought he was wrong. Fast forward a couple hundred comics later and it turns out he was somewhat right.
27th Apr '16 12:36:14 AM jameygamer
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* HarsherInHindsight: From his first introduction Silver mistakenly thought the Freedom Fighter Traitor was Sonic to counter his first Sega in game appearance. His second guess was really made in Sonic Universe 6 where upon realizing the Freedom Fighters disbanded because Queen Sally thought they were no longer needed. Silver guess this but for the first and only time he thought he was wrong. Fast forward a couple hundred comics later and it turns out he was somewhat right.
** Issue 3 had everyone think Robotnik got hold of atomic bombs and went over the destruction the weapons could cause. While it turned out he had only gotten a bomb to be used against bugs, later on Robotnik ''did'' get atomic bombs. Robo-Robotnik wiped out Future Mobius with them, and Robotropolis got nuked by missiles.



* HarsherInHindsight: From his first introduction Silver mistakenly thought the Freedom Fighter Traitor was Sonic to counter his first Sega in game appearance. His second guess was really made in Sonic Universe 6 where upon realizing the Freedom Fighters disbanded because Queen Sally thought they were no longer needed. Silver guess this but for the first and only time he thought he was wrong. Fast forward a couple hundred comics later and it turns out he was somewhat right.
** Issue 3 had everyone think Robotnik got hold of atomic bombs and went over the destruction the weapons could cause. While it turned out he had only gotten a bomb to be used against bugs, later on Robotnik ''did'' get atomic bombs. Robo-Robotnik wiped out Future Mobius with them, and Robotropolis got nuked by missiles.
* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/KenPenders slipping an [[HoYay implied homosexual relationship between Rotor and Echidna scientist Cobar]] in his "25 Years Later" arc could be much more easily done after the HoYay ending between Korra and Asami at the end of ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' 10 years later, which went a little further than sub-text.

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* HarsherInHindsight: From his first introduction Silver mistakenly thought the Freedom Fighter Traitor was Sonic to counter his first Sega in game appearance. His second guess was really made in Sonic Universe 6 where upon realizing the Freedom Fighters disbanded because Queen Sally thought they were no longer needed. Silver guess this but for the first and only time he thought he was wrong. Fast forward a couple hundred comics later and it turns out he was somewhat right.
** Issue 3 had everyone think Robotnik got hold of atomic bombs and went over the destruction the weapons could cause. While it turned out he had only gotten a bomb to be used against bugs, later on Robotnik ''did'' get atomic bombs. Robo-Robotnik wiped out Future Mobius with them, and Robotropolis got nuked by missiles.
* HilariousInHindsight:
Creator/KenPenders slipping an [[HoYay implied homosexual relationship between Rotor and Echidna scientist Cobar]] in his "25 Years Later" arc could be much more easily done after the HoYay ending between Korra and Asami at the end of ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' 10 years later, which went a little further than sub-text.
27th Apr '16 12:34:22 AM jameygamer
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* HilariousInHindsight: Creator/KenPenders slipping an [[HoYay implied homosexual relationship between Rotor and Echidna scientist Cobar]] in his "25 Years Later" arc could be much more easily done after the HoYay ending between Korra and Asami at the end of ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' 10 years later, which went a little further than sub-text.
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