History YMMV / ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog

25th Feb '17 11:51:41 AM SamMax
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: According to Ken Penders, readers are supposed to sympathize with Locke as someone who did what he had to do, and a great father at that. However, fan instead saw him as an [[AbusiveParents abusive dad]] who was willing to put his unborn son's egg through experiments because of a ''dream'', and even fake a suicide right in front of him. Needless to say, not only the fans, but even other writers on the book didn't see Locke the way Penders did.



* VindicatedByHistory: Whereas Ken Penders is considered passe, Karl Bollers is the opposite. Back in the day, many hated Bollers' stories, especially issue 134 where Sonic and Sally broke up. While that story is still hated and his reputation still isn't perfect, he's held in much higher regard than he was, with many of his stories like Return to Angel Island getting more respect. It helps that the man himself has shown himself a good sport about things, unlike his former colleague Penders.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Whereas Ken Penders is considered passe, Karl Bollers is the opposite. Back in the day, many hated Bollers' stories, especially issue 134 where Sonic and Sally broke up. While that story is still hated and his reputation still isn't perfect, he's held in much higher regard than he was, with many of his stories like Return to Angel Island getting more respect. It helps that the man himself has shown himself a good sport about things, later writers' run on thr books, unlike his former colleague Penders.
12th Feb '17 6:14:50 AM KamonTheSkunk
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* SeasonalRot: It's commonly pointed out that the post-Endgame stories were this due to the fact that they had intended issue 50 to be the end and when it turned out to still be popular, they were forced into a PostScriptSeason, but without their main villain.

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It's commonly pointed out that the post-Endgame stories were this due to the fact that they had intended issue 50 to be the end and when it turned out to still be popular, they were forced into a PostScriptSeason, but without their main villain. villain.
** Many people now consider the reboot to be this as well. Without the original character that existed for many years, including relatives, being removed from the comic, plus the rules SEGA has enforced on the comic, it is seen as a shadow of it's former self. There's even word that the comic might even be cancelled soon due to poor sales.
10th Feb '17 7:43:46 AM KamonTheSkunk
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Princess Sally Acorn. Oh, ''Princess Sally Acorn.'' Depending on who you ask, she’s either the absolute best female Sonic character, if not the best overall character in the franchise, who is the perfect foil and love interest for Sonic, a proactive ActionGirl, has a loving personality, and a positive influence on all the characters. Or a very boring and unlovable character whose influence has a very negative impact on the other characters (especially Sonic and, as of recently, Cream), reeks of PositiveDiscrimination, and a FauxActionGirl. Not helping matters at all is Sally’s [[SpotlightStealingSquad prominent usage]], which has increased [[UpToEleven even further]] ever since Ian Flynn took over as head writer of the comics, causing detractors to label her as a blatant CreatorsPet and CanonSue. And that's without getting into the shipping side of things...

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Princess Sally Acorn. Oh, ''Princess Sally Acorn.'' Depending on who you ask, she’s either the absolute best female Sonic character, if not the best overall character in the franchise, who is the perfect foil and love interest for Sonic, a proactive ActionGirl, has a loving personality, and a positive influence on all the characters. Or a very boring and unlovable character whose influence has a very negative impact on the other characters (especially Sonic and, as of recently, Cream), reeks of PositiveDiscrimination, and a FauxActionGirl. Not helping matters at all is Sally’s [[SpotlightStealingSquad prominent usage]], which has increased [[UpToEleven even further]] ever since Ian Flynn took over as head writer of the comics, causing detractors to label her as a blatant CreatorsPet and CanonSue. And that's without getting into the shipping side of things...
8th Feb '17 3:49:19 PM KaoticKanine
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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
** Princess Sally Acorn. Oh, ''Princess Sally Acorn.'' Depending on who you ask, she’s either the absolute best female Sonic character, if not the best overall character in the franchise, who is the perfect foil and love interest for Sonic, a proactive ActionGirl, has a loving personality, and a positive influence on all the characters. Or a very boring and unlovable character whose influence has a very negative impact on the other characters (especially Sonic and, as of recently, Cream), reeks of PositiveDiscrimination, and a FauxActionGirl. Not helping matters at all is Sally’s [[SpotlightStealingSquad prominent usage]], which has increased [[UpToEleven even further]] ever since Ian Flynn took over as head writer of the comics, causing detractors to label her as a blatant CreatorsPet and CanonSue. And that's without getting into the shipping side of things...

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* BaseBreakingCharacter:
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BaseBreakingCharacter: Princess Sally Acorn. Oh, ''Princess Sally Acorn.'' Depending on who you ask, she’s either the absolute best female Sonic character, if not the best overall character in the franchise, who is the perfect foil and love interest for Sonic, a proactive ActionGirl, has a loving personality, and a positive influence on all the characters. Or a very boring and unlovable character whose influence has a very negative impact on the other characters (especially Sonic and, as of recently, Cream), reeks of PositiveDiscrimination, and a FauxActionGirl. Not helping matters at all is Sally’s [[SpotlightStealingSquad prominent usage]], which has increased [[UpToEleven even further]] ever since Ian Flynn took over as head writer of the comics, causing detractors to label her as a blatant CreatorsPet and CanonSue. And that's without getting into the shipping side of things...
8th Feb '17 3:43:20 PM KaoticKanine
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Geoffrey St. John. Some people see him as a sympathetic guy who was fed a bunch of lies as a child which lead him to making the biggest mistake of his life which he regrets wholeheartedly. Other see him as a boy who was fed a lot of lies as a child but should have know better than to trust Naugus a known Villain and a jerkass who crosses several moral lines by betraying and/or manipulating his friends who are citizens in the country his is trying to protect. Added points for the latter seeing how he knew his wife would be against any of this from the start.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Geoffrey BaseBreakingCharacter:
**Princess Sally Acorn. Oh, ''Princess Sally Acorn.'' Depending on who you ask, she’s either the absolute best female Sonic character, if not the best overall character in the franchise, who is the perfect foil and love interest for Sonic, a proactive ActionGirl, has a loving personality, and a positive influence on all the characters. Or a very boring and unlovable character whose influence has a very negative impact on the other characters (especially Sonic and, as of recently, Cream), reeks of PositiveDiscrimination, and a FauxActionGirl. Not helping matters at all is Sally’s [[SpotlightStealingSquad prominent usage]], which has increased [[UpToEleven even further]] ever since Ian Flynn took over as head writer of the comics, causing detractors to label her as a blatant CreatorsPet and CanonSue. And that's without getting into the shipping side of things...
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St. John. Some people see him as a sympathetic guy who was fed a bunch of lies as a child which lead him to making the biggest mistake of his life which he regrets wholeheartedly. Other see him as a boy who was fed a lot of lies as a child but should have know better than to trust Naugus a known Villain and a jerkass who crosses several moral lines by betraying and/or manipulating his friends who are citizens in the country his is trying to protect. Added points for the latter seeing how he knew his wife would be against any of this from the start.
29th Jan '17 6:25:30 PM SamMax
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** There's also [[{{Jerkass}} Drago Wolf]], a traitor to the Freedom Fighters who was also [[DomesticAbuse an abusive dick to his girlfriend]] and soared over the MoralEventHorizon in "Endgame". He's a massive douchebag and later on joined the comic's resident PsychoRangers which he promptly contributed absolutely nothing too (in fact he was TheMillstone to them). ''No one'' likes him in-universe or out and Ian Flynn has gleefully admitted that he only brings the guy around when he wants someone to be beaten up.

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** There's also [[{{Jerkass}} Drago Wolf]], a traitor to the Freedom Fighters who was also [[DomesticAbuse an abusive dick to his girlfriend]] and soared over the MoralEventHorizon in "Endgame". He's a massive douchebag and later on joined the comic's resident PsychoRangers which he promptly contributed absolutely nothing too (in fact he was TheMillstone to them). ''No one'' likes him in-universe or out and Ian Flynn has had gleefully admitted that he only brings brought the guy around when he wants wanted someone to be beaten up.



* TakeThatScrappy: The only reason Drago Wolf's kept around is to be the ButtMonkey of the cast, in stark contrast to the [[AlasPoorScrappy reaction]] [[spoiler: Tommy Turtle]] got.
* TastesLikeDiabetes: Bunnie and Antoine have an [[SickeninglySweethearts obnoxiously perfect relationship]] at times. Having [[FunnyForeigner silly accents]] perfect for nicknames and cutesy talk only exacerbates it.

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* TakeThatScrappy: The only reason Drago Wolf's Wolf was kept around is to as long as he has been was be the ButtMonkey of the cast, in stark contrast to the [[AlasPoorScrappy reaction]] [[spoiler: Tommy Turtle]] got.
* TastesLikeDiabetes: Bunnie and Antoine have an [[SickeninglySweethearts obnoxiously perfect relationship]] at times. Having [[FunnyForeigner silly accents]] perfect for nicknames and cutesy talk only exacerbates it. Though for some, [[NarmCharm that's what makes it charming]], but this isn't a universal view.
19th Jan '17 7:01:02 AM KamonTheSkunk
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* BaseBreaker: Princess Sally. Oh, ''Princess Sally.''
** Many of the authors for the comic, especially Penders, Bollers and Flynn.
** [[spoiler:Geoffrey St. John.]]. Some people see him as a sympathetic guy who was fed a bunch of lies as a child which lead him to making the biggest mistake of his life which he regrets wholeheartedly. Other see him as a boy who was fed a lot of lies as a child but should have know better than to trust Naugus a known Villain and a jerkass who crosses several moral lines by betraying and/or manipulating his friends who are citizens in the country his is trying to protect. Added points for the latter seeing how he knew his wife would be against any of this from the start.

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* BaseBreaker: Princess Sally. Oh, ''Princess Sally.''
** Many of the authors for the comic, especially Penders, Bollers and Flynn.
** [[spoiler:Geoffrey
BaseBreakingCharacter: Geoffrey St. John.]]. Some people see him as a sympathetic guy who was fed a bunch of lies as a child which lead him to making the biggest mistake of his life which he regrets wholeheartedly. Other see him as a boy who was fed a lot of lies as a child but should have know better than to trust Naugus a known Villain and a jerkass who crosses several moral lines by betraying and/or manipulating his friends who are citizens in the country his is trying to protect. Added points for the latter seeing how he knew his wife would be against any of this from the start.
11th Jan '17 12:14:03 AM SamMax
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* VindicatedByHistory: Whereas Ken Penders is considered passe, Karl Bollers is the opposite. Back in the day, many hated Bollers' stories, especially issue 134 where Sonic and Sally broke up. While that story is still hated and his reputation still isn't perfect, he's held in much higher regard than he was, with many of his stories like Return to Angel Island getting more respect. It helps that the man himself has shown himself a good sport about things unlike his former colleague Penders.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Whereas Ken Penders is considered passe, Karl Bollers is the opposite. Back in the day, many hated Bollers' stories, especially issue 134 where Sonic and Sally broke up. While that story is still hated and his reputation still isn't perfect, he's held in much higher regard than he was, with many of his stories like Return to Angel Island getting more respect. It helps that the man himself has shown himself a good sport about things things, unlike his former colleague Penders.
9th Jan '17 5:38:46 PM KamonTheSkunk
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* {{Misblamed}}: Somewhat. While indeed Ken Penders was a major factor in contributing to the CosmicRetcon. Archie was likewise to blame for not checking over the polices concerning ownership of characters (which indeed while creators can be credited for their creations, they're, by all rights, the property of the company they make it for to use as they see fit) which in turn lead Penders to find the loophole and lead to the whole legal mess in the first place. Some likewise blame Bioware for apparently sparking this for making characters based on some of Penders characters for their ''VideoGame/SonicChronicles'' which likewise got him riled, though most will argue that they weren't outright copying his characters and could be seen as a tribute to the characters from the comics (considering the how loose the canon is with this series, ''Sonic Chronicles'' could've very well been deemed an AlternateUniverse). With Penders just being a jerk about the whole thing because ''[[ControlFreak he]]'' [[ControlFreak didn't write said characters]]. [[note]]Considering he was trying enforce his future on the comic and has been on record stating he wasn't a fan of Ian's style. Even outright admitting if he was ever put back in charge that he would undo Ian's changes, leads some credence to this.[[/note]] Sega doesn't get off scot-free either as they were the ones to enforce the new rules once they settled with Penders. Forcing the retcon and in turn losing a good chuck of the cast (most of whom were made by other people), neutering most of the character development, and limited what could be done with characters created by them.

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* {{Misblamed}}: Somewhat. While indeed Ken Penders was a major factor in contributing to the CosmicRetcon. CosmicRetcon, Archie was likewise to blame for not checking over the polices concerning ownership of characters (which indeed while creators can be credited for their creations, they're, by all rights, the property of the company they make it for to use as they see fit) which in turn lead Penders to find the loophole and lead to the whole legal mess in the first place. Some likewise blame Bioware for apparently sparking this for making characters based on some of Penders characters for their ''VideoGame/SonicChronicles'' which likewise got him riled, though most will argue that they weren't outright copying his characters and could be seen as a tribute to the characters from the comics (considering the how loose the canon is with this series, ''Sonic Chronicles'' could've very well been deemed an AlternateUniverse). With Penders just being a jerk about the whole thing because ''[[ControlFreak he]]'' [[ControlFreak didn't write said characters]]. [[note]]Considering he was trying enforce his future on the comic and has been on record stating he wasn't a fan of Ian's style. Even outright admitting if he was ever put back in charge that he would undo Ian's changes, leads some credence to this.[[/note]] Sega doesn't get off scot-free either as they were the ones to enforce the new rules once they settled with Penders. Forcing Penders, forcing the retcon and in turn losing a good chuck of the cast (most of whom were made by other people), neutering most of the character development, and limited what could be done with characters created by them.
8th Jan '17 6:07:49 AM CASCHero
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* {{Misblamed}}: Somewhat. While indeed Ken Penders was a major factor in contributing to the CosmicRetcon. Archie was likewise to blame for not checking over the polices concerning ownership of characters (which indeed while creators can be credited for their creations, they're, by all rights, the property of the company they make it for to use as they see fit) which in turn lead Penders to find the loophole and lead to the whole legal mess in the first place. Some likewise blame Bioware for apparently sparking this for making characters based on some of Penders characters for their ''VideoGame/SonicChronicles'' which likewise got him riled, though most will argue that they weren't outright copying his characters and could be seen as a tribute to the characters from the comics (considering the how loose the canon is with this series, ''Sonic Chronicles'' could've very well been deemed an AlternateUniverse). Sega doesn't get off scot-free either as they were the ones to enforce the new rules once they settled with Penders. Forcing the retcon and in turn losing a good chuck of the cast (most of whom were made by other people), neutering most of the character development, and limited what could be done with characters created by them.

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* {{Misblamed}}: Somewhat. While indeed Ken Penders was a major factor in contributing to the CosmicRetcon. Archie was likewise to blame for not checking over the polices concerning ownership of characters (which indeed while creators can be credited for their creations, they're, by all rights, the property of the company they make it for to use as they see fit) which in turn lead Penders to find the loophole and lead to the whole legal mess in the first place. Some likewise blame Bioware for apparently sparking this for making characters based on some of Penders characters for their ''VideoGame/SonicChronicles'' which likewise got him riled, though most will argue that they weren't outright copying his characters and could be seen as a tribute to the characters from the comics comics (considering the how loose the canon is with this series, ''Sonic Chronicles'' could've very well been deemed an AlternateUniverse). With Penders just being a jerk about the whole thing because ''[[ControlFreak he]]'' [[ControlFreak didn't write said characters]]. [[note]]Considering he was trying enforce his future on the comic and has been on record stating he wasn't a fan of Ian's style. Even outright admitting if he was ever put back in charge that he would undo Ian's changes, leads some credence to this.[[/note]] Sega doesn't get off scot-free either as they were the ones to enforce the new rules once they settled with Penders. Forcing the retcon and in turn losing a good chuck of the cast (most of whom were made by other people), neutering most of the character development, and limited what could be done with characters created by them.
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