History YMMV / ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog

23rd May '17 2:43:19 PM KamonTheSkunk
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* {{Misblamed}}: Somewhat. While indeed Ken Penders was a major factor in contributing to the CosmicRetcon, Archie was likewise to blame for not checking over the polices concerning ownership of characters (which indeed while creators can be credited for their creations, they're, by all rights, the property of the company they make it for to use as they see fit) which in turn lead Penders to find the loophole and lead to some of legal mess but ''not'' all, as many tend to forget that Ken never filed any legal action against Archie; On the contrary, Archie sent him a cease and desist after Ken acquired copyright on all of his characters and that he would use any legal powers to preserve and protect them. Some likewise blame Bioware for apparently sparking this for making characters based on some of Penders characters for their ''VideoGame/SonicChronicles'' which likewise got him riled, though most will argue that they weren't outright copying his characters and could be seen as a tribute to the characters from the comics (considering the how loose the canon is with this series, ''Sonic Chronicles'' could've very well been deemed an AlternateUniverse). With Penders just being a jerk about the whole thing because ''[[ControlFreak he]]'' [[ControlFreak didn't write said characters]]. [[note]]Considering he was trying enforce his future on the comic and has been on record stating he wasn't a fan of Ian's style. Even outright admitting if he was ever put back in charge that he would undo Ian's changes, leads some credence to this.[[/note]] Sega doesn't get off scot-free either as they were the ones to enforce the new rules once they settled with Penders, forcing the retcon and in turn losing a good chuck of the cast (most of whom were made by other people), neutering most of the character development, and limited what could be done with characters created by them.

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* {{Misblamed}}: Somewhat. While indeed Ken Penders was a major factor in contributing to the CosmicRetcon, Archie was likewise to blame for not checking over the polices concerning ownership of characters (which indeed while creators can be credited for their creations, they're, by all rights, the property of the company they make it for to use as they see fit) which in turn lead Penders to find the loophole and lead to some of the legal mess but ''not'' all, as many tend to forget that Ken never filed any legal action against Archie; On the contrary, Archie sent him a cease and desist after Ken acquired copyright on all of his characters and that he would use any legal powers to preserve and protect them. Some likewise blame Bioware for apparently sparking this for making characters based on some of Penders characters for their ''VideoGame/SonicChronicles'' which likewise got him riled, though most will argue that they weren't outright copying his characters and could be seen as a tribute to the characters from the comics (considering the how loose the canon is with this series, ''Sonic Chronicles'' could've very well been deemed an AlternateUniverse). With Penders just being a jerk about the whole thing because ''[[ControlFreak he]]'' [[ControlFreak didn't write said characters]]. [[note]]Considering he was trying enforce his future on the comic and has been on record stating he wasn't a fan of Ian's style. Even outright admitting if he was ever put back in charge that he would undo Ian's changes, leads some credence to this.[[/note]] Sega doesn't get off scot-free either as they were the ones to enforce the new rules once they settled with Penders, forcing the retcon and in turn losing a good chuck of the cast (most of whom were made by other people), neutering most of the character development, and limited what could be done with characters created by them.
23rd May '17 11:52:19 AM KamonTheSkunk
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* {{Misblamed}}: Somewhat. While indeed Ken Penders was a major factor in contributing to the CosmicRetcon, Archie was likewise to blame for not checking over the polices concerning ownership of characters (which indeed while creators can be credited for their creations, they're, by all rights, the property of the company they make it for to use as they see fit) which in turn lead Penders to find the loophole and lead to the whole legal mess in the first place. Some likewise blame Bioware for apparently sparking this for making characters based on some of Penders characters for their ''VideoGame/SonicChronicles'' which likewise got him riled, though most will argue that they weren't outright copying his characters and could be seen as a tribute to the characters from the comics (considering the how loose the canon is with this series, ''Sonic Chronicles'' could've very well been deemed an AlternateUniverse). With Penders just being a jerk about the whole thing because ''[[ControlFreak he]]'' [[ControlFreak didn't write said characters]]. [[note]]Considering he was trying enforce his future on the comic and has been on record stating he wasn't a fan of Ian's style. Even outright admitting if he was ever put back in charge that he would undo Ian's changes, leads some credence to this.[[/note]] Sega doesn't get off scot-free either as they were the ones to enforce the new rules once they settled with Penders, forcing the retcon and in turn losing a good chuck of the cast (most of whom were made by other people), neutering most of the character development, and limited what could be done with characters created by them.

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* {{Misblamed}}: Somewhat. While indeed Ken Penders was a major factor in contributing to the CosmicRetcon, Archie was likewise to blame for not checking over the polices concerning ownership of characters (which indeed while creators can be credited for their creations, they're, by all rights, the property of the company they make it for to use as they see fit) which in turn lead Penders to find the loophole and lead to the whole some of legal mess in but ''not'' all, as many tend to forget that Ken never filed any legal action against Archie; On the first place.contrary, Archie sent him a cease and desist after Ken acquired copyright on all of his characters and that he would use any legal powers to preserve and protect them. Some likewise blame Bioware for apparently sparking this for making characters based on some of Penders characters for their ''VideoGame/SonicChronicles'' which likewise got him riled, though most will argue that they weren't outright copying his characters and could be seen as a tribute to the characters from the comics (considering the how loose the canon is with this series, ''Sonic Chronicles'' could've very well been deemed an AlternateUniverse). With Penders just being a jerk about the whole thing because ''[[ControlFreak he]]'' [[ControlFreak didn't write said characters]]. [[note]]Considering he was trying enforce his future on the comic and has been on record stating he wasn't a fan of Ian's style. Even outright admitting if he was ever put back in charge that he would undo Ian's changes, leads some credence to this.[[/note]] Sega doesn't get off scot-free either as they were the ones to enforce the new rules once they settled with Penders, forcing the retcon and in turn losing a good chuck of the cast (most of whom were made by other people), neutering most of the character development, and limited what could be done with characters created by them.
17th May '17 5:03:32 PM SenorCornholio
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** "Alone on a Friday night? God, you're pathetic", [[http://thankskenpenders.tumblr.com/post/104187077300/home-alone-on-a-friday-night-god-youre actually a photoshopped version of this panel''

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** "Alone on a Friday night? God, you're pathetic", [[http://thankskenpenders.tumblr.com/post/104187077300/home-alone-on-a-friday-night-god-youre actually a photoshopped version of this panel''panel]]
25th Apr '17 7:16:59 PM Crossover-Enthusiast
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** The original [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr.]] Ivo [[MadScientist Robotnik]], during the Great War, intended to test weapons he'd developed for the government on his own people and fled to the Mobians' side when he was to be punished for his actions. While acting as warlord for King Acorn, he secretly captured a peaceful village of Mobian monkeys and utilized them in an early attempt to [[UnwillingRoboticisation create mechanical slaves by surgically implanting cybernetics]], and of that entire village only one survived the process. Afterwards, he sabotaged the roboticizer developed by Charles Hedgehog just as it was to be used on his wounded brother Jules, making him think he'd turned his own brother into a mindless drone. When Jules's wife discovered the truth, Robotnik had Jules toss her into the Roboticizer and transformed into a robian as well, orphaning Sonic and crushing Charles's spirit to the point of retiring from being a Science Minister to running a chili dog stand. He then did similarly to Tails's father Amadeus on the day of his birth, making it seem as though Amadeus could care less for his newborn son and subsequently shattering his wife's heart, throughout which Robotnik maintained a straight face. Afterwards followed his betrayal of King Acorn and the takeover of Mobius, during which countless families were broken and millions enslaved, and over the course of a decade, he'd wreak havoc upon planet Mobius, destroying the ecology and pushing more than a few mobian breeds to the brink of extinction. And just prior to his death, he displayed a deeply disturbing relish at the thought of murdering one of his own kind and was positively gleeful when he got the chance to use his latest and greatest weapon on a fellow overland.

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** The original [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr.]] Ivo [[MadScientist Robotnik]], during the Great War, intended to test weapons he'd developed for the government on his own people and fled to the Mobians' side when he was to be punished for his actions. While acting as warlord for King Acorn, he secretly captured a peaceful village of Mobian monkeys and utilized them in an early attempt to [[UnwillingRoboticisation create mechanical slaves by surgically implanting cybernetics]], and of that entire village only one survived the process. Afterwards, he sabotaged the roboticizer developed by Charles Hedgehog just as it was to be used on his wounded brother Jules, making him think he'd turned his own brother into a mindless drone. When Jules's wife discovered the truth, Robotnik had Jules toss her into the Roboticizer and transformed into a robian as well, orphaning Sonic and crushing Charles's spirit to the point of retiring from being a Science Minister to running a chili dog stand. He then did similarly to Tails's father Amadeus on the day of his birth, making it seem as though Amadeus could care less for his newborn son and subsequently shattering his wife's heart, throughout which Robotnik maintained a straight face. Afterwards followed his betrayal of King Acorn and the takeover of Mobius, during which countless families were broken and millions enslaved, and over the course of a decade, he'd wreak havoc upon planet Mobius, destroying the ecology and pushing more than a few mobian breeds to the brink of extinction. And just prior to his death, he displayed a deeply disturbing relish at the thought of murdering one of his own kind and was positively gleeful when he got the chance to use his latest and greatest weapon on a fellow overland.overlander.
17th Apr '17 9:50:55 PM Crossover-Enthusiast
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* VindicatedByHistory: Whereas Ken Penders is considered passe, Karl Bollers is the opposite. Back in the day, many hated Bollers' stories, especially issue 134 where Sonic and Sally broke up. While that story is still hated and his reputation still isn't perfect, he's held in much higher regard than he was, with many of his stories like Return to Angel Island getting more respect. It helps that the man himself has shown himself a good sport about later writers' run on thr books, unlike his former colleague Penders.
* TheWoobie: Post shattered world, it's really hard not to feel for the nobler members of the Egg Bosses, namely Nephthys and Clove, who are just doing their damnedest trying to stake out an existence of ''some'' dignity under Eggman. Clove is effectively a case study in a BrokenBird as she breaks.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Whereas Ken Penders is considered passe, Karl Bollers is the opposite. Back in the day, many hated Bollers' stories, especially issue 134 where Sonic and Sally broke up. While that story is still hated and his reputation still isn't perfect, he's held in much higher regard than he was, with many of his stories like Return to Angel Island getting more respect. It helps that the man himself has shown himself a good sport about later writers' run on thr their books, unlike his former colleague Penders.
* TheWoobie: Post shattered world, Shattered World, it's really hard not to feel for the nobler members of the Egg Bosses, namely Nephthys and Clove, who are just doing their damnedest trying to stake out an existence of ''some'' dignity under Eggman. Clove is effectively a case study in of a BrokenBird as she breaks.
13th Apr '17 1:38:03 AM bwburke94
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* FanDiscontinuity: There are a good number of people that refuse to read the comic after the reboot for three main reasons:
** The first reason is for removing every character not owned by Flynn or created by SEGA from the comic.

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* FanDiscontinuity: FanonDiscontinuity: There are a good number of people that refuse to read the comic after the reboot for three main reasons:
** The first reason is for removing every character not owned by Flynn or created by SEGA Sega from the comic.
2nd Apr '17 1:25:31 PM therealjackieboy
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** The original [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr. Ivo [[MadScientist Robotnik]], during the Great War, intended to test weapons he'd developed for the government on his own people and fled to the Mobians' side when he was to be punished for his actions. While acting as warlord for King Acorn, he secretly captured a peaceful village of Mobian monkeys and utilized them in an early attempt to [[UnwillingRoboticisation create mechanical slaves by surgically implanting cybernetics]], and of that entire village only one survived the process. Afterwards, he sabotaged the roboticizer developed by Charles Hedgehog just as it was to be used on his wounded brother Jules, making him think he'd turned his own brother into a mindless drone. When Jules's wife discovered the truth, Robotnik had Jules toss her into the Roboticizer and transformed into a robian as well, orphaning Sonic and crushing Charles's spirit to the point of retiring from being a Science Minister to running a chili dog stand. He then did similarly to Tails's father Amadeus on the day of his birth, making it seem as though Amadeus could care less for his newborn son and subsequently shattering his wife's heart, throughout which Robotnik maintained a straight face. Afterwards followed his betrayal of King Acorn and the takeover of Mobius, during which countless families were broken and millions enslaved, and over the course of a decade, he'd wreak havoc upon planet Mobius, destroying the ecology and pushing more than a few mobian breeds to the brink of extinction. And just prior to his death, he displayed a deeply disturbing relish at the thought of murdering one of his own kind and was positively gleeful when he got the chance to use his latest and greatest weapon on a fellow overland.

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** The original [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr. ]] Ivo [[MadScientist Robotnik]], during the Great War, intended to test weapons he'd developed for the government on his own people and fled to the Mobians' side when he was to be punished for his actions. While acting as warlord for King Acorn, he secretly captured a peaceful village of Mobian monkeys and utilized them in an early attempt to [[UnwillingRoboticisation create mechanical slaves by surgically implanting cybernetics]], and of that entire village only one survived the process. Afterwards, he sabotaged the roboticizer developed by Charles Hedgehog just as it was to be used on his wounded brother Jules, making him think he'd turned his own brother into a mindless drone. When Jules's wife discovered the truth, Robotnik had Jules toss her into the Roboticizer and transformed into a robian as well, orphaning Sonic and crushing Charles's spirit to the point of retiring from being a Science Minister to running a chili dog stand. He then did similarly to Tails's father Amadeus on the day of his birth, making it seem as though Amadeus could care less for his newborn son and subsequently shattering his wife's heart, throughout which Robotnik maintained a straight face. Afterwards followed his betrayal of King Acorn and the takeover of Mobius, during which countless families were broken and millions enslaved, and over the course of a decade, he'd wreak havoc upon planet Mobius, destroying the ecology and pushing more than a few mobian breeds to the brink of extinction. And just prior to his death, he displayed a deeply disturbing relish at the thought of murdering one of his own kind and was positively gleeful when he got the chance to use his latest and greatest weapon on a fellow overland.
2nd Apr '17 1:24:12 PM therealjackieboy
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* CompleteMonster: [[Monster/SonicTheHedgehog See here]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[Monster/SonicTheHedgehog See here]]CompleteMonster:
** The original [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr. Ivo [[MadScientist Robotnik]], during the Great War, intended to test weapons he'd developed for the government on his own people and fled to the Mobians' side when he was to be punished for his actions. While acting as warlord for King Acorn, he secretly captured a peaceful village of Mobian monkeys and utilized them in an early attempt to [[UnwillingRoboticisation create mechanical slaves by surgically implanting cybernetics]], and of that entire village only one survived the process. Afterwards, he sabotaged the roboticizer developed by Charles Hedgehog just as it was to be used on his wounded brother Jules, making him think he'd turned his own brother into a mindless drone. When Jules's wife discovered the truth, Robotnik had Jules toss her into the Roboticizer and transformed into a robian as well, orphaning Sonic and crushing Charles's spirit to the point of retiring from being a Science Minister to running a chili dog stand. He then did similarly to Tails's father Amadeus on the day of his birth, making it seem as though Amadeus could care less for his newborn son and subsequently shattering his wife's heart, throughout which Robotnik maintained a straight face. Afterwards followed his betrayal of King Acorn and the takeover of Mobius, during which countless families were broken and millions enslaved, and over the course of a decade, he'd wreak havoc upon planet Mobius, destroying the ecology and pushing more than a few mobian breeds to the brink of extinction. And just prior to his death, he displayed a deeply disturbing relish at the thought of murdering one of his own kind and was positively gleeful when he got the chance to use his latest and greatest weapon on a fellow overland.
** [[GeneralRipper General Kage Von Stryker]] is the leader of the Eggman-backed [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Dingo Regime]]. After [[AntagonisticOffspring ousting his father from power]], Kage led his people in conquering Angel Island, imprisoning the Echidnas in what were [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything clearly concentration camps]], which led to countless deaths. He personally tortured Knuckles's father for the location of the Master Emerald, tried to wipe out the last echidna village on two occasions, and during the second attack boasted that he had crushed more Echidnas under his boot than he could remember. While like Helmut, Kage also [[FantasticRacism hated the echidnas]], unlike his father, Kage just wanted to KillEmAll.
** [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate Dr.]] [[MadScientist Finitevus]] was once a fellow scientist of a race of prosperous echidnas, until a freak accident changed his looks and intelligence. Despite his new-found genius, he was declared mentally unstable and was to be put down. He escaped and later sold out his home to Dr. Robotnik, resulting in everyone who had once lived there dying later. In addition, Finitevus manipulated four whole sides in a war—Dingoes, Echidnas, and two Dark Legion factions—into providing the fuel for the fire of his master plan, which is him [[KnightTemplar deciding the world is hopelessly corrupt and wanting to purify it]]...[[OmnicidalManiac in fire]]. He, to this end, [[ManipulativeBastard manipulated]] Dimitri, a head in a jar, into providing secrets and information, and then manipulated Knux into becoming Knuxerjak and starting a battle with his former friends after the whole corruption from power thing. Finitevus's expression at the scene where Knux becomes Enerjak shows he is not only mad, but completely delighted, even as his betrayed allies watch on and denounce him.
** [[MeaningfulName Hunter]] is a sociopathic Overlander known as a [[EvilPoacher poacher of the Mobian kind]]. Hunter first debuts forcing Knuckles and his partner Monk into a hunt for their lives by threatening to murder Julie-Su, forcing the two to fight for their lives which ultimately leads to Monk's death. Though seemingly killed afterwards, Hunter is saved by Dr. Eggman and allows Hunter further work in his service, giving Hunter the chance to gleefully participate in Eggman's genocidal hunts and capture scores of innocent Mobians [[ColdBloodedTorture to have the life tortuously drained out of them]] in Eggman's Egg Grape Chambers, leading to the deaths of dozens. Proudly boasting of the various heads he keeps on his own wall of previous victims, Hunter's supposed sense of honor in his first appearance falls to reveal a [[{{Sadist}} sadistic]] mass murderer who hunts purely for the thrill of it.
** Dark Enerjak, the [[DimensionLord tyrannical ruler of another dimension]], is actually a version of Knuckles the Echidna fueled by a desire to make the world a better place, whose Chaos Powers went out of control. While he started out noble, he gradually [[SanitySlippage went more and more insane as time went on]], before he considered [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope everyone an enemy]]. Among his atrocities are the sinking of a continent; the destruction of several enemy cities, such as Station Square, as punishment for their defiance; and the capture of his strongest opponents and ripping their souls out—victims include Sonic, Shadow, Tails, Amy, Sally, and all the villains. He [[AndIMustScream turns the souls]] into [[UnwillingRoboticisation robotic slaves]] known as "Prelates". His soulmate was one of his victims, and he made sure not to use her soul to form a Prelate until the final battle, when he summoned her to fight their daughter, much to said daughter's disbelief. Dark Enerjak's mainly motivated by [[ForTheEvulz his own amusement]], despite saying how much of a hero he is at other times. He allowed the Freedom Fighters to exist to give him something to do, sent soldiers to other dimensions to try and find new worlds to conquer, and continued to indulge Silver because of his power to actually give the [[PhysicalGod living God]] a challenge. He derives joy from people's suffering, as seen with how he forces his own daughter to fight her mother and his former mate and how, upon seeing how upset Silver is at Enerjak using the souls to make his Prelate Army, he summons them all at once.
24th Mar '17 11:13:41 AM MagBas
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** Princess Sally Acorn. Oh, ''Princess Sally Acorn.'' Depending on who you ask, she’s either the absolute best female Sonic character, if not the best overall character in the franchise, who is the perfect foil and love interest for Sonic, a proactive ActionGirl, has a loving personality, and a positive influence on all the characters. Or a very boring and unlovable character whose influence has a very negative impact on the other characters (especially Sonic and, as of recently, Cream), reeks of PositiveDiscrimination, and a FauxActionGirl. Not helping matters at all is Sally’s [[SpotlightStealingSquad prominent usage]], which has increased [[UpToEleven even further]] ever since Ian Flynn took over as head writer of the comics, causing detractors to label her as a blatant CreatorsPet and CanonSue. And that's without getting into the shipping side of things...

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** Princess Sally Acorn. Oh, ''Princess Sally Acorn.'' Depending on who you ask, she’s either the absolute best female Sonic character, if not the best overall character in the franchise, who is the perfect foil and love interest for Sonic, a proactive ActionGirl, has a loving personality, and a positive influence on all the characters. Or a very boring and unlovable character whose influence has a very negative impact on the other characters (especially Sonic and, as of recently, Cream), reeks of PositiveDiscrimination, and a FauxActionGirl. Not helping matters at all is Sally’s [[SpotlightStealingSquad prominent usage]], which has increased [[UpToEleven even further]] ever since Ian Flynn took over as head writer of the comics, causing detractors to label her as a blatant CreatorsPet and CanonSue.CreatorsPet. And that's without getting into the shipping side of things...
10th Mar '17 3:08:52 PM CyberController
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**"Alone on a Friday night? God, you're pathetic", [[http://thankskenpenders.tumblr.com/post/104187077300/home-alone-on-a-friday-night-god-youre actually a photoshopped version of this panel''
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