History YMMV / ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog

5th Dec '17 3:30:06 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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*** And this is where the story gets a rather interesting twist. The reason why the Penders lawsuit turned the way it did, was exactly because Sega eventually grew weary of the situation and decided to instead settle with Penders out of court and thereby essentially forced Archie Comics to do the same. But when it came to the Scott Fulop case, Archie decided to battle it out in court until the end, which resulted in the judge eventually ruling in favor of Archie. One must wonder what would have happened in the Penders case if Sega hadn't thrown in the towel when it did.
5th Dec '17 1:32:12 PM TheAmazingBlachman
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*** And this is where the story gets a rather interesting twist. The reason why the Penders lawsuit turned the way it did, was exactly because Sega eventually grew weary of the situation and decided to instead settle with Penders out of court and thereby essentially forced Archie Comics to do the same. But when it came to the Scott Fulop case, Archie decided to battle it out in court until the end, which resulted in the judge eventually ruling in favor of Archie. One must wonder what would have happened in the Penders case if Sega hadn't thrown in the towel when it did.
5th Dec '17 4:24:00 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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** Geoffrey St. John. Some people see him as a sympathetic guy who was fed a bunch of lies as a child which lead him to making the biggest mistake of his life which he regrets wholeheartedly. Other see him as a boy who was fed a lot of lies as a child but should have know better than to trust Naugus a known Villain and a jerkass who crosses several moral lines by betraying and/or manipulating his friends who are citizens in the country his is trying to protect. Added points for the latter seeing how he knew his wife would be against any of this from the start. The on-off romance he had with Sally in the early issues certainly didn't help matters for several reasons. Firstly, Geoffrey came across as more than a bit aggressive and touchy-feely in his advances towards Sally who was comparatively much more reserved about her feelings for him. Secondly, the age difference between Sally and Geoffrey (her still being a teenager and him being somewhere in his late twenties) added quite a few uncomfortable undertones to the whole thing. Thirdly, Geoffrey becoming incredibly jealous towards Sonic to a point where he was acting constantly petty around him and starting conflicts for no real reason. Having this romance jettisoned was seen as a huge step forward for his character by many readers.

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** Geoffrey St. John. Some people see him as a sympathetic guy who was fed a bunch of lies as a child which lead him to making the biggest mistake of his life which he regrets wholeheartedly. Other see him as a boy who was fed a lot of lies as a child but should have know better than to trust Naugus a known Villain and a jerkass who crosses several moral lines by betraying and/or manipulating his friends who are citizens in the country his is trying to protect. Added points for the latter seeing how he knew his wife would be against any of this from the start. The on-off romance he had with Sally in the early issues certainly didn't help matters for several reasons. Firstly, Geoffrey came across as more than a bit aggressive and touchy-feely in his advances towards Sally who was comparatively much more reserved about her feelings for him. Secondly, the age difference between Sally and Geoffrey (her still being a teenager and him being somewhere in his late mid-to-late twenties) added quite a few uncomfortable undertones to the whole thing. Thirdly, Geoffrey becoming incredibly jealous towards Sonic to a point where he was acting constantly petty around him and starting conflicts for no real reason. Having this romance jettisoned was seen as a huge step forward for his character by many readers.
29th Nov '17 10:14:32 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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** Geoffrey St. John. Some people see him as a sympathetic guy who was fed a bunch of lies as a child which lead him to making the biggest mistake of his life which he regrets wholeheartedly. Other see him as a boy who was fed a lot of lies as a child but should have know better than to trust Naugus a known Villain and a jerkass who crosses several moral lines by betraying and/or manipulating his friends who are citizens in the country his is trying to protect. Added points for the latter seeing how he knew his wife would be against any of this from the start.

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** Geoffrey St. John. Some people see him as a sympathetic guy who was fed a bunch of lies as a child which lead him to making the biggest mistake of his life which he regrets wholeheartedly. Other see him as a boy who was fed a lot of lies as a child but should have know better than to trust Naugus a known Villain and a jerkass who crosses several moral lines by betraying and/or manipulating his friends who are citizens in the country his is trying to protect. Added points for the latter seeing how he knew his wife would be against any of this from the start. The on-off romance he had with Sally in the early issues certainly didn't help matters for several reasons. Firstly, Geoffrey came across as more than a bit aggressive and touchy-feely in his advances towards Sally who was comparatively much more reserved about her feelings for him. Secondly, the age difference between Sally and Geoffrey (her still being a teenager and him being somewhere in his late twenties) added quite a few uncomfortable undertones to the whole thing. Thirdly, Geoffrey becoming incredibly jealous towards Sonic to a point where he was acting constantly petty around him and starting conflicts for no real reason. Having this romance jettisoned was seen as a huge step forward for his character by many readers.
1st Nov '17 7:50:07 AM TheAmazingBlachman
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** Ian Flynn is blamed for the failure of Sonic/Sally, when SEGA have constantly portrayed Sonic as being borderline AllergicToLove, and were discovered to have been ordering storylines which arbitrarily broke relationships up purely due to StatusQuoIsGod, and eventually put a clause into the post-lawsuit settlement which forbade relationships ''outright''.

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** Ian Flynn is blamed for the failure of Sonic/Sally, when SEGA have constantly portrayed Sonic as being borderline AllergicToLove, and were discovered to have been ordering storylines which arbitrarily broke relationships up purely due to StatusQuoIsGod, and eventually put a clause into the post-lawsuit settlement which forbade putting any characters originating from the games in relationships ''outright''.
8th Oct '17 12:30:57 PM N8han11
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** The nature of SEGA's heavy handed ExecutiveMeddling, especially considering what they had Sonic Team and The Taxman working on AT THE SAME TIME. Sega effectively forbade so many things, including what the characters wear, who they have a relationship with...\\
The most galling of them was an edict where Robotnik '''''CAN NOT WIN'''''. This affected the above mentioned Sonic Unleashed adaptation, with many of the changes being purely to pander to SEGA's rules on the matter, including removing the opening battle, where Robotnik defeats Sonic through an ambush.\\
At the same time as they made those edicts, they were planning SonicMania and SonicForces, two games where Robotnik is '''winning''' from the very start, and it's a desperate race to minimize the damage... '''''which fails!'''''
7th Oct '17 5:46:50 AM KamonTheSkunk
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* ExecutiveMeddling: All over the place.
** SEGA repeatedly required that Sonic, if he even BEGAN a almost steady relationship with '''any''' character other than Amy Rose, abruptly TookALevelInJerkass and broke the relationship off, eventually ordering, with the Edicts, that Sonic/Amy is the OneTruePairing, by specifically ordering that Amy cannot be broken off her SingleTargetSexuality with Sonic.
** SEGA repeatedly ordered various characters could not be used, including characters introduced in VideoGame/SonicRush and VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog, and it took anything up to several years after their initial introduction for character unaffected to appear, and some [[PutOnABus never got introduced in the entire comic's run]][[note]]This does not include Shade and the Twilight Cage. Different problems blocked those.[[/note]]
** Plotlines were cancelled arbitrarily, [[ToSellToys to sell comics]], like a planned WesternAnimation/SonicUnderground conclusion was cancelled to promote ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogMegaManWorldsCollide.
4th Oct '17 3:36:43 PM Gouken20xx
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** Notably, the Sally/Nicole relationship only seems to be ''amplified'' by the Edicts, [[FridgeBrilliance because neither of them belong to SEGA in the first place...]]


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** Ian Flynn is blamed for the failure of Sonic/Sally, when SEGA have constantly portrayed Sonic as being borderline AllergicToLove, and were discovered to have been ordering storylines which arbitrarily broke relationships up purely due to StatusQuoIsGod, and eventually put a clause into the post-lawsuit settlement which forbade relationships ''outright''.
4th Oct '17 3:25:51 PM Gouken20xx
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* ExecutiveMeddling: All over the place.
** SEGA repeatedly required that Sonic, if he even BEGAN a almost steady relationship with '''any''' character other than Amy Rose, abruptly TookALevelInJerkass and broke the relationship off, eventually ordering, with the Edicts, that Sonic/Amy is the OneTruePairing, by specifically ordering that Amy cannot be broken off her SingleTargetSexuality with Sonic.
** SEGA repeatedly ordered various characters could not be used, including characters introduced in VideoGame/SonicRush and VideoGame/ShadowTheHedgehog, and it took anything up to several years after their initial introduction for character unaffected to appear, and some [[PutOnABus never got introduced in the entire comic's run]][[note]]This does not include Shade and the Twilight Cage. Different problems blocked those.[[/note]]
** Plotlines were cancelled arbitrarily, [[ToSellToys to sell comics]], like a planned WesternAnimation/SonicUnderground conclusion was cancelled to promote ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogMegaManWorldsCollide.
4th Oct '17 1:22:35 AM SamMax
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* TakeThatScrappy: The only reason Drago Wolf was kept around as long as he has been was to be the ButtMonkey of the cast, in stark contrast to the [[AlasPoorScrappy reaction]] Tommy Turtle got.

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* TakeThatScrappy: The only reason Drago Wolf was kept around as long as he has he had been was to be the ButtMonkey of the cast, in stark contrast to the [[AlasPoorScrappy reaction]] Tommy Turtle got.



* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: According to Ken Penders, readers are supposed to sympathize with Locke as someone who did what he had to do, and a great father at that. However, many a fan instead saw him as an [[AbusiveParents abusive dad]] who was willing to put his unborn son's egg through experiments because of a ''dream'', and even fake a suicide right in front of him. Needless to say, the fans, and even other writers on the book, didn't see Locke the way Penders did.

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: According to Ken Penders, readers are supposed to sympathize with Locke as someone who did what he had to do, and a great father at that. However, many a fan instead saw him as an [[AbusiveParents abusive dad]] who was willing to put his unborn son's egg through experiments because of a ''dream'', and even fake a suicide right in front of him. Needless to say, both the fans, fans and even other writers on the book, book didn't see Locke the way Penders did.
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