History YMMV / Archer

24th Aug '16 3:57:53 PM maxwellsilver
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Katya. Before her death in season 2 finale, we don't know anything about her background other than working for the KGB and her motivation for defecting (it would have been much more interesting if she defected for other reasons rather than falling in love with Archer) as well as the fact that she didn't have any meaningful interaction with ISIS employees and KGB agents other than Malory, Archer and Krieger. Instead, what we got is a SatelliteLoveInterest overly romantic plot that wasn't even executed well (she literally plans to marry Archer in her second appearance) and ended quickly with her death at the end of the episode. Her death would have been more impactful if we see how her relationship with Archer develops and how the other ISIS employees react. One got a feeling that she was supposed to be a recurring character in either season two or three to develop her character and plot but was later dropped for some reason.

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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Katya. Before her death in season 2 finale, we don't know anything about her background other than working for the KGB and her motivation for defecting (it would have been much more interesting if she defected for other reasons rather than falling in love with Archer) as well as the fact that she didn't have any meaningful interaction with ISIS employees and KGB agents other than Malory, Archer and Krieger. Instead, what we got is a SatelliteLoveInterest overly romantic plot that wasn't even executed well (she literally plans to marry Archer in her second appearance) and ended quickly with her death at the end of the episode. Her death would have been more impactful if we could see how her relationship with Archer develops and how the other ISIS employees react. One got a feeling that she was supposed to be a recurring character in either season two or three to develop her character and plot but was later dropped for some reason.
24th Aug '16 3:55:14 PM maxwellsilver
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*** Even as early as "Training Day" he hints at being depressed.

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*** Even as early as In "Training Day" he hints at being depressed.



** Cheryl/Carol is actually a sensitive {{woobie}} who's afraid of alienating other people with [[spoiler:her wealth]], and she keeps working at ISIS because her coworkers are [[TrueCompanions her only close friends]]. The woman's [[spoiler:worth millions]], so she obviously doesn't [[spoiler:need the paycheck]]. And she's probably been at ISIS for at least a few years, but the others didn't find out about [[spoiler:her wealthy family]] until late in Season 2. Considering how open she usually is about personal stuff (like her weird fetishes) it seems a little odd that she kept that little detail to herself for so long. Maybe she was afraid of losing her only real friendships.

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** Cheryl/Carol is actually a sensitive {{woobie}} who's afraid of alienating other people with [[spoiler:her wealth]], and she keeps working at ISIS because her coworkers are [[TrueCompanions her only close friends]].friends. The woman's [[spoiler:worth millions]], so she obviously doesn't [[spoiler:need the paycheck]]. And she's probably been at ISIS for at least a few years, but the others didn't find out about [[spoiler:her wealthy family]] until late in Season 2. Considering how open she usually is about personal stuff (like her weird fetishes) it seems a little odd that she kept that little detail to herself for so long. Maybe she was afraid of losing her only real friendships.
24th Aug '16 1:03:09 PM Premonition45
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** "Seriously, are we not doing phrasing anymore?" is used when somebody says [[AccidentalInnuendo that sounds inappropriate]] or [[OpenMouthInsertFoot really dumb]].

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** "Seriously, are we not doing phrasing anymore?" is used when somebody says something [[AccidentalInnuendo that sounds inappropriate]] or [[OpenMouthInsertFoot really dumb]].
24th Aug '16 1:02:40 PM Premonition45
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** "Seriously, are we not doing phrasing anymore?" is used when somebody says [[AccidentalInnuendo that sounds inappropriate]] or [[OpenMouthInsertFoot really dumb]].
12th Aug '16 1:31:22 AM Anddrix
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3rd Jul '16 7:30:23 PM ThePrezident
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*** [[spoiler:He loses points for having a [[{{Cyborg}} cyborgian]] advantage.]]
26th Jun '16 8:49:11 AM jessicaotiesha
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** Did Archer ever cheat on Lana or was it just a combination her insecurities about her looks and NeverMyFault tendencies projected on to him. In season 7 while Archer was attracted to Veronica Deane (as was everyone else) that was it. He only kissed her after seeing Lana tried an OperationJealousy after seeing the two having a business conversation. Then later after torturing Archer to find out if he had feeling for her and refused to accept no for an answer. This caused her to break up with Archer (take a break) only to perform OperationJealousy again. Archerís responded by sleeping with Veronica.


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** Lana water boarding Archer while it was supposed to come across as LaserGuidedKarma for backing out on it in training but it is quickly revealed that she actually did it to see if he had feelings for Veronica Deane and refused to stop until affirmed her suspicions.
23rd Jun '16 4:05:47 PM CassandraLeo
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** Whether it was a good idea to change the premise of the show from a spy agency to a drug cartel. Most fans are willing to give the new format a chance, though. [[spoiler: It's ultimately moot as the series goes back to being about a spy agency after the end of the fifth season.]]

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** Whether it was a good idea to change the premise of the show from a spy agency to a drug cartel. Most fans are willing to give the new format a chance, though. [[spoiler: It's ultimately moot as the series goes back to being about a spy agency after the end of the fifth season. However, the seventh season drops the spy agency premise again, this time in favour of having the main characters form a private investigation firm. This seems to have been somewhat less divisive, perhaps because the characters end up being able to use much of the same skill set they used as spies.]]
23rd Jun '16 4:03:45 PM CassandraLeo
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** [[spoiler:Veronica Deane]] is revealed to be this in the season 7 finale as [[spoiler:[[TheDogWasTheMastermind the mastermind of nearly everything that happened in that season]]]].
4th Jun '16 10:30:26 PM GordyTepig
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*** She's telling Archer to clean up his act if he wants to be a part of AJ's life. That itself is very reasonable, given Archer was about as mature as an fresh eggplant. Except that it's not really a fair choice: part of her motivation for having AJ was to entrap Archer and/or get his attention. So she has the baby partly to force a change on him and [[BabiesMakeEverythingBetter make him a better partner and father]]. As mentioned earlier, she's already pulling TheBabyTrap and banking on Archer caring about the baby. If having a baby was a choice Archer made with her ahead of time, and had the option to clean up and raise the baby, or be himself and be without the baby from the start, this would have been a lot more fair. But by having the baby and then demanding change, Lana gave him a loaded choice.

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*** She's telling Archer to clean up his act if he wants to be a part of AJ's life. That itself is very reasonable, given Archer was about as mature as an fresh eggplant. Except that it's not really a fair choice: part of Lana explicitly had her motivation for having AJ was baby, partly because she wanted to entrap use it against Archer, emotionally. So instead of Archer and/or get his attention. So she has being able to make the choice himself before the baby partly to force a change on him was conceived or born, and [[BabiesMakeEverythingBetter make him a better partner and father]]. As mentioned earlier, she's already pulling TheBabyTrap and banking on Archer caring about the baby. If having a baby was a choice Archer made with her ahead of time, and had the option choosing when he's ready to clean up and raise the baby, or be himself and be without the baby from the start, this would have been a lot more fair. But by having the baby and then demanding change, Lana gave used his natural paternal instincts to force an ultimatum on him a loaded choice.right after AJ was born.
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