History YMMV / AnimalFarm

15th May '17 1:34:07 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* BrokenAesop: The ending to the live action film. It suggests that all the animals need is the right master, and everything will be happy... never mind that the animals will continue being killed for food, having to work for a pittance etc.
4th Jan '17 2:03:24 PM Tork
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** Just how evil (or good) Snowball is has been the subject of a lot of debate (fitting, since he's based off UsefulNotes/LeonTrotsky, himself a rather divisive figure). Interpretations range from him being every bit of a monster as Napoleon to a pragmatic WellIntentionedExtremist to a genuinely good but misguided pig. It's clear that he wasn't 100% a saint, since he, like the other pigs, didn't share the apples and milk with the other animals, but that alone is too vague to determine his overall personality.

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** Just how evil (or good) Snowball is has been the subject of a lot of debate (fitting, since he's based off UsefulNotes/LeonTrotsky, himself a rather divisive figure). Interpretations range from him being every bit of a monster as Napoleon to a pragmatic WellIntentionedExtremist to a genuinely good but misguided pig. It's clear that he wasn't 100% a saint, since he, like the other pigs, didn't share the apples and milk with the other animals, but that alone is too vague to determine his overall personality. He's also incredibly cold towards Boxer's remorse over killing a human boy during the Battle of the Cowpens but that can be expected in war.
2nd Dec '16 7:45:09 PM Sammettik
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* WhatAnIdiot: Jones, in the animated film. While the animals fought against the invading farmers, Jones sneaked into the windmill, filled it with explosives, set them on fire... and, instead of running away, he drank a bottle of wine. The windmill exploded, and we never heard about Jones again.
** Mr. Jones wanted to die, he not only lost his farm, but the respect of his neighbors. He was DrivenToSuicide and wanted to take the animals with him, but he wanted them to suffer and starve to death, and thought that by bowing up the windmill they would soon perish
5th Nov '16 11:21:52 AM Eilevgmyhren
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** Also the ending. Napoleon proclaiming that Animal farm is going to revert to the old name of Manor Farm, while fraternizing with the other farmer in mutual agreement, seems a little hilarious when considering modern Russia reversed a lot of Soviet names to tsarist standards as well as taking back her old tricolor flag. Also when considering this was done by members of the former communist party (Gorbachev, Yeltsin and eventually Putin).
10th Jul '16 3:40:28 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[MeaningfulName Napoleon]], the BigBad of this BeastFable on the Russian Revolution, represents UsefulNotes/JosefStalin. While he seems like a benevolent revolutionist at first, who tries to make [[TheObiWan Old Major's]] dream reality, it quickly becomes clear that he is just a [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], power-hungry tyrant, who cares not one bit about his fellow animals. He starts by rationing food exclusively for him and the other pigs. He also secretly forms his own private squadron of [[{{angry guard dog}}s attack dogs]], by abducting all the newborn puppies from their parents and raising them to be [[MyMasterRightOrWrong fully obedient to him]]. Later he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness backstabs his ally Snowball]]容xplicitly having the dogs kill him in the 1954 AnimatedAdaptation--and frames him for every wrong happening on the farm, while continuing to manipulate everyone into worshiping him and [[KangarooCourt mercilessly sentencing everyone to death who shows the tiniest sign of resistance]]. He truly hits the MoralEventHorizon when he sells the completely loyal and by far hardest-working horse Boxer to the knacker after he got sick, in order to buy himself more alcohol. He justifies his actions by having [[PropagandaMachine Squealer]] constantly [[ScrewtheRulesIMakeThem alter the law]], and the past, to fit them. After a few years and a whole lot of more horrendous crimes, [[FullCircleRevolution the other animals can barely tell him and the other pigs apart from the humans, whose reign they so desperately tried to escape]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[MeaningfulName Napoleon]], the BigBad of this BeastFable on the Russian Revolution, represents UsefulNotes/JosefStalin. While he seems like a benevolent revolutionist at first, who tries to make [[TheObiWan Old Major's]] Major's dream a reality, it quickly becomes clear that he is just a [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], power-hungry tyrant, who cares not one bit about his fellow animals. He starts by rationing food exclusively for him and the other pigs. He also secretly forms his own private squadron of [[{{angry guard dog}}s attack dogs]], by abducting all the newborn puppies from their parents and raising them to be [[MyMasterRightOrWrong fully obedient to him]]. Later he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness backstabs his ally Snowball]]容xplicitly having the dogs kill him in the 1954 AnimatedAdaptation--and frames him for every wrong happening on the farm, while continuing to manipulate everyone into worshiping him and [[KangarooCourt mercilessly sentencing everyone to death who shows the tiniest sign of resistance]]. He truly hits the MoralEventHorizon when he sells the completely loyal and by far hardest-working horse Boxer to the knacker after he got sick, in order to buy himself more alcohol. He justifies his actions by having [[PropagandaMachine Squealer]] constantly [[ScrewtheRulesIMakeThem alter the law]], and the past, to fit them. After a few years and a whole lot of more horrendous crimes, [[FullCircleRevolution the other animals can barely tell him and the other pigs apart from the humans, whose reign they so desperately tried to escape]].
9th Jul '16 11:26:54 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[MeaningfulName Napoleon]], the BigBad of this BeastFable on the Russian Revolution, represents UsefulNotes/JosefStalin. While he seems like a benevolent revolutionist at first, who tries to make [[TheObiWan Old Major's]] dream reality, it quickly becomes clear that he is just a [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], power-hungry tyrant, who cares not one bit about his fellow animals. He starts by rationing food exclusively for him and the other pigs. He also secretly forms his own private squadron of [[{{angry guard dog}}s attack dogs]], by abducting all the newborn puppies from their parents and raising them to be [[MyMasterRightOrWrong fully obedient to him]]. Later he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness backstabs his ally Snowball]]容xplicitly having the dogs kill him in the 1954 AnimatedAdaptation--and frames him for every wrong happening on the farm, while continuing to manipulate everyone into worshiping him and [[KangarooCourt mercilessly sentencing everyone to death who shows the tiniest sign of resistance]]. He truly hits the MoralEventHorizon when he sells the completely loyal and by far hardest-working horse Boxer to the knacker after he got sick, in order to buy himself more alcohol. He justifies his actions by having [[PropagandaMachine Squealer]] constantly [[ScrewtheRulesIMakeThem alter the law]], and the past, to fit them. After a few years and a whole lot of more horrendous crimes, [[FullCircleRevolution the other animals can barely keep him and the other pigs apart from the humans, whose reign they so desperately tried to escape]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[MeaningfulName Napoleon]], the BigBad of this BeastFable on the Russian Revolution, represents UsefulNotes/JosefStalin. While he seems like a benevolent revolutionist at first, who tries to make [[TheObiWan Old Major's]] dream reality, it quickly becomes clear that he is just a [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], power-hungry tyrant, who cares not one bit about his fellow animals. He starts by rationing food exclusively for him and the other pigs. He also secretly forms his own private squadron of [[{{angry guard dog}}s attack dogs]], by abducting all the newborn puppies from their parents and raising them to be [[MyMasterRightOrWrong fully obedient to him]]. Later he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness backstabs his ally Snowball]]容xplicitly having the dogs kill him in the 1954 AnimatedAdaptation--and frames him for every wrong happening on the farm, while continuing to manipulate everyone into worshiping him and [[KangarooCourt mercilessly sentencing everyone to death who shows the tiniest sign of resistance]]. He truly hits the MoralEventHorizon when he sells the completely loyal and by far hardest-working horse Boxer to the knacker after he got sick, in order to buy himself more alcohol. He justifies his actions by having [[PropagandaMachine Squealer]] constantly [[ScrewtheRulesIMakeThem alter the law]], and the past, to fit them. After a few years and a whole lot of more horrendous crimes, [[FullCircleRevolution the other animals can barely keep tell him and the other pigs apart from the humans, whose reign they so desperately tried to escape]].
9th Jul '16 1:20:30 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: Napoleon in both the original novel and the animated version.
** In the novel, [[MeaningfulName Napoleon]] was meant to be an {{Expy}} for UsefulNotes/JosefStalin, but given the fact that Orwell removed all the positive factors the man may have had in RealLife, he became [[UpToEleven even worse]] than that. While he seems like a benevolent revolutionist at first, who tries to make Old Major's dream reality, it quickly becomes clear that he is nothing more than a [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], power-hungry tyrant, who cares not one bit about his fellow animals. It all starts with him rationing parts of the food exclusively for him and the pigs. He also secretly forms his own private squadron of attack dogs, by abducting all the newborn puppies from their parents and raising them to be [[MyMasterRightOrWrong fully obedient to him]]. Later he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnesS backstabs his ally Snowball]] and frames him for every wrong happening on the farm, while continuing to manipulate everyone into worshipping him and [[KangarooCourt mercilessly sentencing everyone to death who shows the tiniest sign of resistance]]. He truly hits the {{Moral Event Horizon}} when he sells the completely loyal and by far hardest-working horse Boxer to the knacker after he got sick, in order to buy himself more alcohol. He justifies his actions by having [[PropagandaMachine Squealer]] constantly [[ScrewtheRulesIMakeThem alter the law]], and the past, to fit them. After a few years and a whole lot of more horrendous crimes, [[FullCircleRevolution the other animals can barely tell him and the other pigs apart from the humans, whose reign they so desperately tried to escape]].
** In the 1954 AnimatedAdaptation, [[BigBad Napoleon]] was the leader of the pigs and the ruthless dictator of the titular farm. After the animals rebelled against Jones, Napoleon took several puppies under his wing, and made them into his personal attack dogs. When Snowball was planning on developing a windmill for the farm, Napoleon sent the dogs to assassinate him. He promptly took over after the deed was done, declared Snowball a traitor to the farm, and set up several [[KangarooCourt trials]] for the animals in which he forced them into admitting (read lying) that they were working for Snowball, after which they were publicly executed. He ultimately [[MoralEventHorizon crossed the line]] when he sent Boxer, who was most likely the most devoted member of the cause, [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness to the slaughterhouse]] after he had injured himself working. The animals eventually couldn't differentiate between him and the humans towards the end of the cartoon.

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* CompleteMonster: Napoleon in both the original novel and the animated version.
** In the novel,
[[MeaningfulName Napoleon]] was meant to be an {{Expy}} for UsefulNotes/JosefStalin, but given Napoleon]], the fact that Orwell removed all BigBad of this BeastFable on the positive factors the man may have had in RealLife, he became [[UpToEleven even worse]] than that. Russian Revolution, represents UsefulNotes/JosefStalin. While he seems like a benevolent revolutionist at first, who tries to make [[TheObiWan Old Major's Major's]] dream reality, it quickly becomes clear that he is nothing more than just a [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], power-hungry tyrant, who cares not one bit about his fellow animals. It all He starts with him by rationing parts of the food exclusively for him and the other pigs. He also secretly forms his own private squadron of [[{{angry guard dog}}s attack dogs, dogs]], by abducting all the newborn puppies from their parents and raising them to be [[MyMasterRightOrWrong fully obedient to him]]. Later he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnesS [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness backstabs his ally Snowball]] and Snowball]]容xplicitly having the dogs kill him in the 1954 AnimatedAdaptation--and frames him for every wrong happening on the farm, while continuing to manipulate everyone into worshipping worshiping him and [[KangarooCourt mercilessly sentencing everyone to death who shows the tiniest sign of resistance]]. He truly hits the {{Moral Event Horizon}} MoralEventHorizon when he sells the completely loyal and by far hardest-working horse Boxer to the knacker after he got sick, in order to buy himself more alcohol. He justifies his actions by having [[PropagandaMachine Squealer]] constantly [[ScrewtheRulesIMakeThem alter the law]], and the past, to fit them. After a few years and a whole lot of more horrendous crimes, [[FullCircleRevolution the other animals can barely tell keep him and the other pigs apart from the humans, whose reign they so desperately tried to escape]].
** In the 1954 AnimatedAdaptation, [[BigBad Napoleon]] was the leader of the pigs and the ruthless dictator of the titular farm. After the animals rebelled against Jones, Napoleon took several puppies under his wing, and made them into his personal attack dogs. When Snowball was planning on developing a windmill for the farm, Napoleon sent the dogs to assassinate him. He promptly took over after the deed was done, declared Snowball a traitor to the farm, and set up several [[KangarooCourt trials]] for the animals in which he forced them into admitting (read lying) that they were working for Snowball, after which they were publicly executed. He ultimately [[MoralEventHorizon crossed the line]] when he sent Boxer, who was most likely the most devoted member of the cause, [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness to the slaughterhouse]] after he had injured himself working. The animals eventually couldn't differentiate between him and the humans towards the end of the cartoon.
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7th Jul '16 5:28:52 AM Morgenthaler
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** In the novel, [[MeaningfulName Napoleon]] was meant to be an {{Expy}} for UsefulNotes/JosefStalin, but given the fact that Orwell removed all the positive factors the man may have had in RealLife, he became [[UpToEleven even worse]] than that. While he seems like a benevolent revolutionist at first, who tries to make [[TheObiWan Old Major's]] dream reality, it quickly becomes clear that he is nothing more than a [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], power-hungry tyrant, who cares not one bit about his fellow animals. It all starts with him rationing parts of the food exclusively for him and the pigs. He also secretly forms his own private squadron of attack dogs, by abducting all the newborn puppies from their parents and raising them to be [[MyMasterRightOrWrong fully obedient to him]]. Later he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnesS backstabs his ally Snowball]] and frames him for every wrong happening on the farm, while continuing to manipulate everyone into worshipping him and [[KangarooCourt mercilessly sentencing everyone to death who shows the tiniest sign of resistance]]. He truly hits the {{Moral Event Horizon}} when he sells the completely loyal and by far hardest-working horse Boxer to the knacker after he got sick, in order to buy himself more alcohol. He justifies his actions by having [[PropagandaMachine Squealer]] constantly [[ScrewtheRulesIMakeThem alter the law]], and the past, to fit them. After a few years and a whole lot of more horrendous crimes, [[FullCircleRevolution the other animals can barely tell him and the other pigs apart from the humans, whose reign they so desperately tried to escape]].

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** In the novel, [[MeaningfulName Napoleon]] was meant to be an {{Expy}} for UsefulNotes/JosefStalin, but given the fact that Orwell removed all the positive factors the man may have had in RealLife, he became [[UpToEleven even worse]] than that. While he seems like a benevolent revolutionist at first, who tries to make [[TheObiWan Old Major's]] Major's dream reality, it quickly becomes clear that he is nothing more than a [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], power-hungry tyrant, who cares not one bit about his fellow animals. It all starts with him rationing parts of the food exclusively for him and the pigs. He also secretly forms his own private squadron of attack dogs, by abducting all the newborn puppies from their parents and raising them to be [[MyMasterRightOrWrong fully obedient to him]]. Later he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnesS backstabs his ally Snowball]] and frames him for every wrong happening on the farm, while continuing to manipulate everyone into worshipping him and [[KangarooCourt mercilessly sentencing everyone to death who shows the tiniest sign of resistance]]. He truly hits the {{Moral Event Horizon}} when he sells the completely loyal and by far hardest-working horse Boxer to the knacker after he got sick, in order to buy himself more alcohol. He justifies his actions by having [[PropagandaMachine Squealer]] constantly [[ScrewtheRulesIMakeThem alter the law]], and the past, to fit them. After a few years and a whole lot of more horrendous crimes, [[FullCircleRevolution the other animals can barely tell him and the other pigs apart from the humans, whose reign they so desperately tried to escape]].
6th Jul '16 3:05:40 PM Steam_Lord
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** In the novel, [[MeaningfulName Napoleon]] was meant to be an {{Expy}} for UsefulNotes/JosefStalin, but given the fact that Orwell removed all the positive factors the man may have had in RealLife, he became [[UpToEleven even worse]] than that. While he seems like a benevolent revolutionist at first, who tries to make [[TheOBiWan Old Major's]] dream reality, it quickly becomes clear that he is nothing more than a [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], power-hungry tyrant, who cares not one bit about his fellow animals. It all starts with him rationing parts of the food exclusively for him and the pigs. He also secretly forms his own private squadron of attack dogs, by abducting all the newborn puppies from their parents and raising them to be [[MyMasterRightOrWrong fully obedient to him]]. Later he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnesS backstabs his ally Snowball]] and frames him for every wrong happening on the farm, while continuing to manipulate everyone into worshipping him and [[KangarooCourt mercilessly sentencing everyone to death who shows the tiniest sign of resistance]]. He truly hits the {{Moral Event Horizon}} when he sells the completely loyal and by far hardest-working horse Boxer to the knacker after he got sick, in order to buy himself more alcohol. He justifies his actions by having [[PropagandaMachine Squealer]] constantly [[ScrewtheRulesIMakeThem alter the law]], and the past, to fit them. After a few years and a whole lot of more horrendous crimes, [[FullCircleRevolution the other animals can barely tell him and the other pigs apart from the humans, whose reign they so desperately tried to escape]].

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** In the novel, [[MeaningfulName Napoleon]] was meant to be an {{Expy}} for UsefulNotes/JosefStalin, but given the fact that Orwell removed all the positive factors the man may have had in RealLife, he became [[UpToEleven even worse]] than that. While he seems like a benevolent revolutionist at first, who tries to make [[TheOBiWan [[TheObiWan Old Major's]] dream reality, it quickly becomes clear that he is nothing more than a [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]], power-hungry tyrant, who cares not one bit about his fellow animals. It all starts with him rationing parts of the food exclusively for him and the pigs. He also secretly forms his own private squadron of attack dogs, by abducting all the newborn puppies from their parents and raising them to be [[MyMasterRightOrWrong fully obedient to him]]. Later he [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulnesS backstabs his ally Snowball]] and frames him for every wrong happening on the farm, while continuing to manipulate everyone into worshipping him and [[KangarooCourt mercilessly sentencing everyone to death who shows the tiniest sign of resistance]]. He truly hits the {{Moral Event Horizon}} when he sells the completely loyal and by far hardest-working horse Boxer to the knacker after he got sick, in order to buy himself more alcohol. He justifies his actions by having [[PropagandaMachine Squealer]] constantly [[ScrewtheRulesIMakeThem alter the law]], and the past, to fit them. After a few years and a whole lot of more horrendous crimes, [[FullCircleRevolution the other animals can barely tell him and the other pigs apart from the humans, whose reign they so desperately tried to escape]].
2nd May '16 2:17:35 PM jetsetter21$
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Mr. Jones wanted to die, he not only lost his farm, but the respect of his neighbors. He was DrivenToSuicide and wanted to take the animals with him, but he wanted them to suffer and starve to death, and thought that by bowing up the windmill they would soon perish

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\nMr.**Mr. Jones wanted to die, he not only lost his farm, but the respect of his neighbors. He was DrivenToSuicide and wanted to take the animals with him, but he wanted them to suffer and starve to death, and thought that by bowing up the windmill they would soon perish
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