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* SpiritualSuccessor: To ''Film/TheLostCityOfZ''. Both films are character studies about explorers venturing out into the great unknown in search of another world that face mortal dangers, strained relationships with family, fathers and sons reflecting the desires of the need to know more life out there, and marvelously [[SceneryPorn well done visuals]]. But where the two differ is in perspective and origin: ''Z'' was BasedOnATrueStory of the real life Percy Fawcett whereas ''Ad Astra'' was an original idea Gray had cooking in his noggin since 2011. On top of that, whereas ''Z'' was about a father searching for unknown civilizations and then having his son almost inheriting that desire, ''Ad Astra'' is about a father [[spoiler: who becomes a lunatic and the son, who is a fellow explorer, is terrified of becoming his dad due the actions his father committed]].
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** The scene on the derelict Norwegian research station is meant to be horrifying, but the fact that it involves Brad Pitt [[spoiler:fighting killer baboons in space]] in an otherwise fairly grounded and low-key sci-fi drama is just too bizarre to take it completely seriously.
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** The scene on the derelict Norwegian research station is meant to be horrifying, but the fact that it involves Brad Pitt [[spoiler:fighting killer baboons in space]] in an otherwise fairly grounded and low-key sci-fi drama is just too bizarre to take it completely seriously. It gets even more ridiculous in the following scene, when Roy reflects on the incident by saying "The attack, it was full of rage. I understand that rage. I've seen that rage in my father." It's clearly meant to sound deep and tie into the film's theme of obsession and parental abandonment, but there's something comical about Roy comparing his father, whom he idolizes, to [[spoiler:a ''monkey'']].
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* {{Narm}}: The hilariously inept manner in which [[spoiler:the ''Cepheus''' crew [[SelfDisposingVillain kill themselves]] while trying to capture Roy]] is likely to produce laughter rather than shock.
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** The scene on the derelict Norwegian research station is meant to be horrifying, but the fact that it involves Brad Pitt [[spoiler:fighting killer baboons in space]] in an otherwise fairly grounded and low-key sci-fi drama is just too bizarre to take it completely seriously.
** The hilariously inept manner in which [[spoiler:the ''Cepheus''' crew [[SelfDisposingVillain kill themselves]] while trying to capture Roy]] is likely to produce laughter rather thanshock.
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** The scene on the derelict Norwegian research station is meant to be horrifying, but the fact that it involves Brad Pitt [[spoiler:fighting killer baboons in space]] in an otherwise fairly grounded and low-key sci-fi drama is just too bizarre to take it completely seriously.
** The hilariously inept manner in which [[spoiler:the ''Cepheus''' crew [[SelfDisposingVillain kill themselves]] while trying to capture Roy]] is likely to produce laughter rather than
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment:
** The very random and sudden detour to the Norwegian research station that ends in [[spoiler:Roy being attacked by mad baboons who manage to kill the Cepheus captain]] feels like one. It doesn't connect to Roy's mission, though the death of the captain puts his incompetent second-in-command in charge, which does affect the plot. It also thematically links with the film's musings on masculinity and connection to others.
** The sequence in which Roy gets attacked by SpacePirates while travelling from one Moon base to another outdoor could have been cut, and the main difference is that the film would have been ten minutes shorter. Nothing plot-relevant happens, and we have already been told that it's like the Wild West out there.
** Both of the above help to reinforce the feeling that every character other than Roy will die immediately if you so much as blink at them, especially when added to the later [[spoiler: death of the Cepheus crew]]. Danger, madness, and senseless wastes are important thematic elements, but it can become too much.
** The very random and sudden detour to the Norwegian research station that ends in [[spoiler:Roy being attacked by mad baboons who manage to kill the Cepheus captain]] feels like one. It doesn't connect to Roy's mission, though the death of the captain puts his incompetent second-in-command in charge, which does affect the plot. It also thematically links with the film's musings on masculinity and connection to others.
** The sequence in which Roy gets attacked by SpacePirates while travelling from one Moon base to another outdoor could have been cut, and the main difference is that the film would have been ten minutes shorter. Nothing plot-relevant happens, and we have already been told that it's like the Wild West out there.
** Both of the above help to reinforce the feeling that every character other than Roy will die immediately if you so much as blink at them, especially when added to the later [[spoiler: death of the Cepheus crew]]. Danger, madness, and senseless wastes are important thematic elements, but it can become too much.
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**BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The very random and sudden detour to the Norwegian research station that ends results in [[spoiler:Roy and the captain of the ''Cepheus'' being attacked by mad baboons who manage to kill baboons]]. Aside from [[spoiler:killing the Cepheus captain]] feels like one. It doesn't connect to Roy's mission, though the death of the captain puts his incompetent second-in-command in charge, captain]], which does affect could have been achieved in a number of less bizarre ways, and Roy briefly referring to the plot. It also thematically links with the film's incident in his musings on masculinity and his connection to others.
** The sequence in which Roy gets attacked by SpacePirates while travellingothers, the scene seems completely disconnected from one Moon base to another outdoor could have been cut, the film's overall tone, plot and the main difference is that the film would have been ten minutes shorter. Nothing plot-relevant happens, and we have already been told that it's like the Wild West out there.
** Both of the above help to reinforce thethemes, feeling that every character other more like something out of a sci-fi horror story than Roy will die immediately if you so much as blink at them, especially when added to the later [[spoiler: death of the Cepheus crew]]. Danger, madness, and senseless wastes are important thematic elements, but it can become too much.an otherwise slow-paced, character-driven drama.
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** The sequence in which Roy gets attacked by SpacePirates while travelling
** Both of the above help to reinforce the
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** [[spoiler: ''Brad Pitt fights a baboon in space''. It's as ridiculous as it sounds yet the films takes it completely seriously.]]
** The entire segment of Roy attempting to contact his father from Mars becomes impossible to take seriously for anyone who's played ''VideoGame/FarCry5'' thanks to the presence of Greg Bryk, who still looks exactly like that game's BigBad Joseph Seed including his man bun.
** The fact that Roy's second message is underscored by what sounds like "Sunshine (Adagio In D Minor)" (AKA the stock "inspirational trailer music") doesn't help.
** The hilariously inept manner in which [[spoiler:the ''Cepheus''' crew [[SelfDisposingVillain kill themselves]] while trying to capture Roy]] is likely to produce laughter rather than shock.
** [[spoiler: ''Brad Pitt fights a baboon in space''. It's as ridiculous as it sounds yet the films takes it completely seriously.]]
** The entire segment of Roy attempting to contact his father from Mars becomes impossible to take seriously for anyone who's played ''VideoGame/FarCry5'' thanks to the presence of Greg Bryk, who still looks exactly like that game's BigBad Joseph Seed including his man bun.
** The fact that Roy's second message is underscored by what sounds like "Sunshine (Adagio In D Minor)" (AKA the stock "inspirational trailer music") doesn't help.
** The hilariously inept manner in which [[spoiler:the ''Cepheus''' crew [[SelfDisposingVillain kill themselves]] while trying to capture Roy]] is likely to produce laughter rather than shock.
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{{Narm}}: The hilariously inept manner in which [[spoiler:the ''Cepheus''' crew [[SelfDisposingVillain kill themselves]] while trying to capture Roy]] is likely to produce laughter rather than shock.
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** The entire segment of Roy attempting to contact his father from Mars becomes impossible to take seriously for anyone who's played ''VideoGame/FarCry5'' thanks to the presence of Greg Bryk, who still looks exactly like that game's BigBad Joseph Seed including his man bun.
** The fact that Roy's second message is underscored by what sounds like "Sunshine (Adagio In D Minor)" (AKA the stock "inspirational trailer music") doesn't help.
** The hilariously inept manner in which [[spoiler:the ''Cepheus''' crew [[SelfDisposingVillain kill themselves]] while trying to capture Roy]] is likely to produce laughter rather than shock.]]
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** The fact that Roy's second message is underscored by what sounds like "Sunshine (Adagio In D Minor)" (AKA the stock "inspirational trailer music") doesn't help.
** The hilariously inept manner in which [[spoiler:the ''Cepheus''' crew [[SelfDisposingVillain kill themselves]] while trying to capture Roy]] is likely to produce laughter rather than shock.
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* CriticalDissonance: The film has been praised by critics, but audiences are much less receptive (B- on [=CinemaScore=], 83% critic score vs 40% audiences score on Rotten Tomatoes). While critics praised the story and acting, general audiences felt the film was too slow paced which made it quickly become boring.
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* CriticalDissonance: The film has been praised by critics, but audiences are much less receptive (B- on [=CinemaScore=], 83% critic score vs 40% audiences score on Rotten Tomatoes). While critics praised the story and acting, general audiences felt the film was too slow paced paced, which made it quickly become boring.boring.
* FanNickname: The film is sometimes called ''Dad Astra'', for the combination of space and parental issues.
* FanNickname: The film is sometimes called ''Dad Astra'', for the combination of space and parental issues.
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** Both of the above help to reinforce the feeling that every character other than Roy will die immediately if you so much as blink at them, especially when added to the later [[spoiler: death of the Cepheus crew]]. Danger, madness, and senseless wastes are important thematic elements, but it can become too much.
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Roy stows away aboard a crucial mission, risking the future of humanity and [[spoiler:killing the other crew members (albeit [[SelfDisposingVillain indirectly]] and [[AccidentalMurder accidentally]])]], just for the sake of trying to reconcile with his DisappearedDad. And the eventual outcome -- [[spoiler:Clifford's death and the destruction of the Lima Project]] -- would have been exactly the same had he not been involved at all, except that [[spoiler:those crew members would presumably still be alive]].
** That said, Roy does warn the crew that they will not make it without him, presumably due to the incompetent second-in-command being promoted to the role of their captain. It's likely that the mission would have ended in disaster without Roy's involvement.[[spoiler: Considering they panicked and all managed to kill themselves within minutes of the first sign of trouble Roy's doubt in their abilities seems justified.]]
** That said, Roy does warn the crew that they will not make it without him, presumably due to the incompetent second-in-command being promoted to the role of their captain. It's likely that the mission would have ended in disaster without Roy's involvement.[[spoiler: Considering they panicked and all managed to kill themselves within minutes of the first sign of trouble Roy's doubt in their abilities seems justified.]]
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Roy stows away aboard a crucial mission, risking the future of humanity and [[spoiler:killing the other crew members (albeit [[SelfDisposingVillain indirectly]] and [[AccidentalMurder accidentally]])]], just for the sake of trying to reconcile with his DisappearedDad. And the eventual outcome -- [[spoiler:Clifford's death and the destruction of the Lima Project]] -- would have been exactly the same had he not been involved at all, except that [[spoiler:those crew members would presumably still be alive]].
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Between the implied CrapsackWorld, a [[TheStoic dour protagonist]], the eventual revelation that [[spoiler:[[AbsentAliens humanity is alone in the universe]]]], and the lack of any humor whatsoever, it's easy to lose interest in the outcome of the story.
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Between the film's pessimistic view of space travel, its [[TheStoic dour protagonist]], the eventual revelation that [[spoiler:[[AbsentAliens humanity is alone in the universe]]]], and the lack of any humor whatsoever, it's easy to lose interest in the outcome of the story.
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** That said, Roy does warn the crew that they will not make it without him, presumably due to the incompetent second-in-command being promoted to the role of their captain. It's likely that the mission would have ended in disaster without Roy's involvement.
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** That said, Roy does warn the crew that they will not make it without him, presumably due to the incompetent second-in-command being promoted to the role of their captain. It's likely that the mission would have ended in disaster without Roy's involvement.[[spoiler: Considering they panicked and all managed to kill themselves within minutes of the first sign of trouble Roy's doubt in their abilities seems justified.]]
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* {{Adorkable}}: Amicus is silly and dopey and despite his intentions and execution of his plans, he's just too dang clumsy to hate!
* BreatherLevel: While there are still some moments of tension and conflict, the final third of the visual novel can be considered this, as [[spoiler: Amicus is finally the proper Emperor of Adastra]] and Marcos life is no longer in any direct danger, with the antagonists around him having been dealt with. [[note]] As [[BigBad Cato]] was killed off, Alexios was banned from the palace and no longer able to use Marco (and anyone else for that matter) for his saboteur agendas and Cassius TookALevelInKindness towards the human while also focusing elsewhere on more important matters.[[/note]]
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The very random and sudden detour to the Norwegian research station that ends in [[spoiler:Roy being attacked by mad baboons who manage to kill the Cepheus captain]] feels like one. It doesn't connect to Roy's mission, though the death of the captain puts his incompetent second-in-command in charge, which does affect the plot. It also thematically links with the film's musings on masculinity and connection to others.
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** The very random and sudden detour to the Norwegian research station that ends in [[spoiler:Roy being attacked by mad baboons who manage to kill the Cepheus captain]] feels like one. It doesn't connect to Roy's mission, though the death of the captain puts his incompetent second-in-command in charge, which does affect the plot. It also thematically links with the film's musings on masculinity and connection toothers.others.
** The sequence in which Roy gets attacked by SpacePirates while travelling from one Moon base to another outdoor could have been cut, and the main difference is that the film would have been ten minutes shorter. Nothing plot-relevant happens, and we have already been told that it's like the Wild West out there.
** The very random and sudden detour to the Norwegian research station that ends in [[spoiler:Roy being attacked by mad baboons who manage to kill the Cepheus captain]] feels like one. It doesn't connect to Roy's mission, though the death of the captain puts his incompetent second-in-command in charge, which does affect the plot. It also thematically links with the film's musings on masculinity and connection to
** The sequence in which Roy gets attacked by SpacePirates while travelling from one Moon base to another outdoor could have been cut, and the main difference is that the film would have been ten minutes shorter. Nothing plot-relevant happens, and we have already been told that it's like the Wild West out there.
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* BreatherLevel: While there are still some moments of tension and conflict, the final third of the visual novel can be considered this, as [[spoiler: Amicus is finally the proper Emperor of Adastra]] and Marcos life is no longer in any direct danger, with the antagonists around him having been dealt with. [[note]] As [[BigBad Cato]] was killed off, Alexios was banned from the palace and no longer able to use Marco (and anyone else for that matter) for his saboteur agendas and Cassius TookALevelInKindness towards the human while also focusing elsewhere on more important matters.[[/note]]
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Between the implied CrapsackWorld, a [[TheStoic dour protagonist]], the eventual revelation that [[spoiler:[[AbsentAliens humanity is alone in the universe]]]], and the lack of any humor whatsoever, it's easy to lose interest in the outcome of the story.
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** The hilariously inept manner in which [[spoiler:the ''Cepheus''' crew [[SelfDisposingVillain kill themselves]] while trying to capture Roy]] is likely to produce laughter rather than shock.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Roy stows away aboard a crucial mission, risking the future of humanity and [[spoiler:killing the other crew members (albeit [[SelfDisposingVillain indirectly]] and [[AccidentalMurder accidentally]])]], just for the sake of trying to reconcile with his DisappearedDad. And the eventual outcome -- [[spoiler:Clifford's death and the destruction of the Lima Project]] -- would have been exactly the same had he not been involved at all, except that [[spoiler:those crew members would presumably still be alive]].
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Roy stows away aboard a crucial mission, risking the future of humanity and [[spoiler:killing the other crew members (albeit [[SelfDisposingVillain indirectly]] and [[AccidentalMurder accidentally]])]], just for the sake of trying to reconcile with his DisappearedDad. And the eventual outcome -- [[spoiler:Clifford's death and the destruction of the Lima Project]] -- would have been exactly the same had he not been involved at all, except that [[spoiler:those crew members would presumably still be alive]].
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The very random and sudden detour to the Norwegian research station that ends in [[spoiler:Roy being attacked by mad baboons who manage to kill the Cepheus captain]] feels like one, especially since it has no connection to the story whatsoever, though it thematically links with the film's musings on masculinity.
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: The very random and sudden detour to the Norwegian research station that ends in [[spoiler:Roy being attacked by mad baboons who manage to kill the Cepheus captain]] feels like one, especially since it has no connection one. It doesn't connect to the story whatsoever, Roy's mission, though it the death of the captain puts his incompetent second-in-command in charge, which does affect the plot. It also thematically links with the film's musings on masculinity.masculinity and connection to others.
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* MoralEventHorizon: Some years into the Lima Project, members of the crew decided they wanted to return home and attempted to force the issue, causing Dr. [=McBride=] to shut off life support for a section of the station to stop them. While them being in a state of mutiny might make this more palatable, the line is crossed when we find out [[spoiler:[=McBride=] also killed a significant portion of the crew that WEREN'T rebelling and feels absolutely no remorse for doing so.]]
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* MoralEventHorizon: Some years into the Lima Project, members of the crew decided they wanted to return home and attempted to force the issue, causing Dr. [=McBride=] to shut off life support for a section of the station to stop them. While them being in a state of mutiny might make this more palatable, the line is crossed when we find out [[spoiler:[=McBride=] also killed a significant portion of the crew that WEREN'T ''weren't'' rebelling and feels absolutely no remorse for doing so.]]
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* HarsherInHindsight: It's the second time Creator/TommyLeeJones plays an astronaut after ''Film/SpaceCowboys'' [[spoiler:and the second time he plays an astronaut who ends up voluntarily killing himself in space.]]
* HilariousInHindsight: A good chunk of the A-list cast of the ''Film/OceansEleven'' films (Creator/GeorgeClooney, Creator/SandraBullock, Creator/BradPitt, Creator/MattDamon and Creator/VincentCassel) having played astronauts in ''Film/{{Gravity}}'', ''Ad Astra'', ''Film/TheMartian'' and ''WesternAnimation/Planet51'' (French dub) respectively. Creator/CaseyAffleck was in ''Film/{{Interstellar}}'', but not as an astronaut.
* HilariousInHindsight: A good chunk of the A-list cast of the ''Film/OceansEleven'' films (Creator/GeorgeClooney, Creator/SandraBullock, Creator/BradPitt, Creator/MattDamon and Creator/VincentCassel) having played astronauts in ''Film/{{Gravity}}'', ''Ad Astra'', ''Film/TheMartian'' and ''WesternAnimation/Planet51'' (French dub) respectively. Creator/CaseyAffleck was in ''Film/{{Interstellar}}'', but not as an astronaut.
