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** Shoma is [[spoiler: effectively immortal, as he is aging incredibly slowly to the point he'll probably outlive most of his friends and his sister. However, this is never expanded on once the revelation is clear. While it's evident Shoma has been effected by it, he also gets over it off-screen on his own, and the whole discussion is put aside. Many fans felt that having a member being the protect of experimentation that would ultimately change his life expectancy would be more of a notable thing to explore.]]
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** Shoma is [[spoiler: effectively [[spoiler:effectively immortal, as he is aging incredibly slowly to the point he'll probably outlive most all of his friends and his sister. However, this is never expanded on once the revelation is clear. While it's evident Shoma has been effected by it, he also gets over it off-screen on his own, and the whole discussion is put aside. Many fans felt that having a member being the protect of experimentation that would ultimately change his life expectancy would be more of a notable thing to explore.]] ]]
** The game teases [[spoiler:Kizuna not returning Lien's feelings, something that he says he'll respect if that's how she truly feels. And for a vast majority of their screentime, it seems to be leading that direction, up until they open their letters buried in the time capsule. As such, there are some fans that feel disappointed that these feelings are indeed reciprocated, feeling it would have been more interesting to see Lien deal with heartbreak and push him out of his status as a SatelliteLoveInterest.
** The game teases [[spoiler:Kizuna not returning Lien's feelings, something that he says he'll respect if that's how she truly feels. And for a vast majority of their screentime, it seems to be leading that direction, up until they open their letters buried in the time capsule. As such, there are some fans that feel disappointed that these feelings are indeed reciprocated, feeling it would have been more interesting to see Lien deal with heartbreak and push him out of his status as a SatelliteLoveInterest.
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** Having the core cast stay relevant throughout the entire game. The first game sequestered character involvement depending on the route, and in some unfortunate cases, character development experienced in one of those routes wasn't reflected in the True End. This time around, characters stay relevant and have their development packaged into the core throughline of the story.
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** Having the core cast stay relevant throughout the entire game. The first game sequestered character involvement depending on the route, and in some unfortunate cases, character development experienced in one of those routes wasn't reflected in the True End. This time around, characters stay relevant and have their development packaged into the core throughline of the story. story.
* Mama being a useful pillar of information can be considered this compared to the first game, as despite her status as an information broker, she could give nothing that was actually helpful to the case in all but one route, making it feel like Marble was more like padding for the story than anything else. Here, she's one of the most helpful characters in the game.
* Mama being a useful pillar of information can be considered this compared to the first game, as despite her status as an information broker, she could give nothing that was actually helpful to the case in all but one route, making it feel like Marble was more like padding for the story than anything else. Here, she's one of the most helpful characters in the game.
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** [[spoiler:Mizuki Kuranushi (aka Bibi) just happens to use the ''exact'' same outfit and hairstyle when she's 18 that Mizuki Date will use 6 years in the future. This is never commented on, and the only character she interacts with who notes a general resemblance between the two is Date. While it's debatable whether or not the explanations work, the game attempts to beget justifications for why she's never acknowledged.]]
*** [[spoiler:Bibi never meets with Amame, Iris, Ota, and Kizuna during her investigations.]]
*** [[spoiler:Moma and Lien recognize her as "Quartz" and keep her status a secret as professional business partners.]]
*** [[spoiler:Gen may not wish acknowledge Bibi's existence since she almost exposed the corpse he had recently concealed during their first encounter six years ago, on top of which, Date was masquerading as Gen during parts of the present day investigation.]]
*** [[spoiler:Ryuki is mentally unsound and may not be consciously aware of their similarities, though he does make an off-handed comment to Mizuki during his recovering sobriety that he only sees two of her now.]]
*** [[spoiler:Shoma only met Bibi for a short hospital period where Bibi relayed a backstory counter to what everyone knew about Mizuki at the time. When Mizuki offers Shoma a Valentines chocolate in one of the present day routes, he admits to a sense of déjà vu, implying that his memory of his encounter with Bibi is vague.]]
*** [[spoiler:Bibi never meets with Amame, Iris, Ota, and Kizuna during her investigations.]]
*** [[spoiler:Moma and Lien recognize her as "Quartz" and keep her status a secret as professional business partners.]]
*** [[spoiler:Gen may not wish acknowledge Bibi's existence since she almost exposed the corpse he had recently concealed during their first encounter six years ago, on top of which, Date was masquerading as Gen during parts of the present day investigation.]]
*** [[spoiler:Ryuki is mentally unsound and may not be consciously aware of their similarities, though he does make an off-handed comment to Mizuki during his recovering sobriety that he only sees two of her now.]]
*** [[spoiler:Shoma only met Bibi for a short hospital period where Bibi relayed a backstory counter to what everyone knew about Mizuki at the time. When Mizuki offers Shoma a Valentines chocolate in one of the present day routes, he admits to a sense of déjà vu, implying that his memory of his encounter with Bibi is vague.]]
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* HarsherInHindsight: In the first game, Mizuki's superhuman abilities was largely PlayedForLaughs. However, once you find out that [[spoiler:Mizuki got those powers from being experimented on and going through near-death scenarios ''all while she was a baby'', it can make these scenes harder to laugh from.]]
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** In the first game, Mizuki's superhuman abilities was largely PlayedForLaughs. However, once you find out that [[spoiler:Mizuki got those powers from being experimented on and going through near-death scenarios ''all while she was a baby'', it can make these scenes harder to laugh from.]]
** In the first game, Mizuki's superhuman abilities was largely PlayedForLaughs. However, once you find out that [[spoiler:Mizuki got those powers from being experimented on and going through near-death scenarios ''all while she was a baby'', it can make these scenes harder to laugh from.]]
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*** [[spoiler:Moma and Lien recognize her as "Quartz" and keep her status a secret as professional business partners, Lien in particular pipes up when Mizuki tries to question Lien about her job with Bibi.]]
*** [[spoiler:Gen may not wish acknowledge Bibi's existence since she almost exposed the corpse he had recently concealed during their first encounter six years ago.]]
*** [[spoiler:Gen may not wish acknowledge Bibi's existence since she almost exposed the corpse he had recently concealed during their first encounter six years ago.]]
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*** [[spoiler:Moma and Lien recognize her as "Quartz" and keep her status a secret as professional business partners, Lien in particular pipes up when Mizuki tries to question Lien about her job with Bibi.partners.]]
*** [[spoiler:Gen may not wish acknowledge Bibi's existence since she almost exposed the corpse he had recently concealed during their first encounter six yearsago.ago, on top of which, Date was masquerading as Gen during parts of the present day investigation.]]
*** [[spoiler:Gen may not wish acknowledge Bibi's existence since she almost exposed the corpse he had recently concealed during their first encounter six years
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** Gen is a {{Gonk}} that everybody except for a few thinks is actually a monster thanks to his appearence, despite how he is a perfectly NiceGuy. This causes him to wear a mask everywhere he goes just so that people don't judge him. [[spoiler:Not to mention that Amame (who is like a daughter to him) gets arrested in the main ending of the game.]]
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** Gen is a {{Gonk}} that everybody except for a few thinks is actually a monster thanks to his appearence, despite how he is a perfectly NiceGuy. This causes him to wear a mask everywhere he goes just so that people don't judge him. [[spoiler:Not to mention that Amame (who is like a daughter to him) (someone he deeply cares for) gets arrested in the main ending of the game.]]
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** Something else that was played for laughs in the first game was Sunfish Pocket's [[CrackIsCheaper business model]] and how open Amame was about wringing every last cent out of her customers. [[spoiler:Here it's learned that her goal was not to make money for herself, but to help support her brother Shoma and her father Komeji with his massive debt.]]
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*** [[spoiler:Ryuki is mentally unsound.]]
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*** [[spoiler:Ryuki is mentally unsound.unsound and may not be consciously aware of their similarities, though he does make an off-handed comment to Mizuki during his recovering sobriety that he only sees two of her now.]]
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*** [[spoiler:Gen may not wish acknowledge Bibi's existence since she almost exposed the corpse he had recently during their first encounter six years ago.]]
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*** [[spoiler:Gen may not wish acknowledge Bibi's existence since she almost exposed the corpse he had recently concealed during their first encounter six years ago.]]
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** [[spoiler:Mizuki Kuranushi (aka Bibi) just happens to use the ''exact'' same outfit and hairstyle when she's 18 that Mizuki Date will use 6 years in the future. This is never commented on, and the only character she interacts with who notes a general resemblance between the two is Date. This is arguably justifiable due to the characters she encounters; Bibi never crosses paths with Amame, Iris, Ota, and Kizuna during her investigations, Moma and Lien are work partners who keep her identity a secret, Gen has reasons not to acknowledge it because Bibi almost exposed the corpse in his restaurant, Ryuki is mentally unsound, and Shoma only met Bibi for a short hospital period where Bibi relayed a backstory counter to what everyone knew about Mizuki at the time. Since the two of them grew up together over the course of six years he'd have most likely only noticed changes to Mizuki's appearance in increments, and when Mizuki offers Shoma a Valentines chocolate in one of the present day routes, he admits to a sense of déjà vu, implying that his memory of their encounter is vague.]]
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** [[spoiler:Mizuki Kuranushi (aka Bibi) just happens to use the ''exact'' same outfit and hairstyle when she's 18 that Mizuki Date will use 6 years in the future. This is never commented on, and the only character she interacts with who notes a general resemblance between the two is Date. This is arguably justifiable due to While it's debatable whether or not the characters she encounters; Bibi explanations work, the game attempts to beget justifications for why she's never crosses paths acknowledged.]]
*** [[spoiler:Bibi never meets with Amame, Iris, Ota, and Kizuna during herinvestigations, Moma investigations.]]
*** [[spoiler:Moma and Lienare work partners who recognize her as "Quartz" and keep her identity status a secret, Gen has reasons secret as professional business partners, Lien in particular pipes up when Mizuki tries to question Lien about her job with Bibi.]]
*** [[spoiler:Gen may notto wish acknowledge it because Bibi Bibi's existence since she almost exposed the corpse in his restaurant, Ryuki he had recently during their first encounter six years ago.]]
*** [[spoiler:Ryuki is mentallyunsound, and Shoma unsound.]]
*** [[spoiler:Shoma only met Bibi for a short hospital period where Bibi relayed a backstory counter to what everyone knew about Mizuki at the time.Since the two of them grew up together over the course of six years he'd have most likely only noticed changes to Mizuki's appearance in increments, and when When Mizuki offers Shoma a Valentines chocolate in one of the present day routes, he admits to a sense of déjà vu, implying that his memory of their his encounter with Bibi is vague.]]
*** [[spoiler:Bibi never meets with Amame, Iris, Ota, and Kizuna during her
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** [[spoiler:Mizuki Kuranushi (aka Bibi) just happens to use the ''exact'' same outfit and hairstyle when she's 18 that Mizuki Date will use 6 years in the future. This is never commented on, and the only character she interacts with who notes a general resemblance between the two is Date. This is arguably justifiable due to the characters she encounters; Bibi never crosses paths with Amame, Iris, Ota and Kizuna during her investigations, Moma and Lien are work partners who keep her identity a secret, Gen has reasons not to acknowledge it because Bibi almost exposed the corpse in his restaurant, Ryuki is mentally unsound, and Shoma only met Bibi for a short hospital period where Bibi relayed a backstory counter to what everyone knew about Mizuki at the time. Since the two of them grew up together over the course of six years he'd have most likely only noticed changes to Mizuki's appearance in increments, and when Mizuki offers Shoma a Valentines chocolate in one of the present day routes, he admits to a sense of déjà vu, implying that his memory of the encounter is vague.]]
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** [[spoiler:Mizuki Kuranushi (aka Bibi) just happens to use the ''exact'' same outfit and hairstyle when she's 18 that Mizuki Date will use 6 years in the future. This is never commented on, and the only character she interacts with who notes a general resemblance between the two is Date. This is arguably justifiable due to the characters she encounters; Bibi never crosses paths with Amame, Iris, Ota Ota, and Kizuna during her investigations, Moma and Lien are work partners who keep her identity a secret, Gen has reasons not to acknowledge it because Bibi almost exposed the corpse in his restaurant, Ryuki is mentally unsound, and Shoma only met Bibi for a short hospital period where Bibi relayed a backstory counter to what everyone knew about Mizuki at the time. Since the two of them grew up together over the course of six years he'd have most likely only noticed changes to Mizuki's appearance in increments, and when Mizuki offers Shoma a Valentines chocolate in one of the present day routes, he admits to a sense of déjà vu, implying that his memory of the their encounter is vague.]]
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** [[spoiler:The reason why Bibi never tells anybody about Uru and Tokiko's plan for 6 years is due to a threat from Uru that he'll have Mizuki Date killed otherwise. 6 years later, Bibi explains to Mizuki that she's opened up to Mizuki because all of Uru's hidden bank accounts were recently frozen offscreen, so he can't hire assassins to go after Mizuki anymore. Arguably justifiable in that six years ago, Bibi was under the false knowledge that Tearer was Jin who had somehow been resurrected, and that it wasn't discovered until the present that Tearer was actually Uru, which would allow them to narrow down the investigation substantially.]]
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** [[spoiler:The reason why Bibi never tells anybody about Uru and Tokiko's plan for 6 years is due to a threat from Uru that he'll have Mizuki Date killed otherwise. 6 years later, Bibi explains to Mizuki that she's opened opens up to Mizuki about the events because all of Uru's hidden bank accounts were recently frozen offscreen, so he can't hire assassins to go after Mizuki anymore. Arguably justifiable in that six years ago, Bibi was under originally planted with the false knowledge that Tearer was Jin who had somehow been resurrected, and that it wasn't discovered until the present that Tearer was actually Uru, which who was already dead at that point. Presumably this knowledge would allow them to narrow down the investigation substantially.]]
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** [[spoiler:The reason why Bibi never tells anybody about Uru and Tokiko's plan for 6 years is due to a threat from Uru that he'll have Mizuki Date killed otherwise. 6 years later, Bibi explains to Mizuki that she's gotten involved again because all of Uru's bank accounts were recently frozen offscreen, so he can't hire assassins to go after Mizuki anymore.]]
** [[spoiler:Mizuki Kuranushi (aka Bibi) just happens to use the ''exact'' same outfit and hairstyle when she's 18 that Mizuki Date will use 6 years in the future. This is never commented on, nor do any of the characters she interacted with notice anything more than a general resemblance.]]
** [[spoiler:Mizuki Kuranushi (aka Bibi) just happens to use the ''exact'' same outfit and hairstyle when she's 18 that Mizuki Date will use 6 years in the future. This is never commented on, nor do any of the characters she interacted with notice anything more than a general resemblance.]]
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** [[spoiler:The reason why Bibi never tells anybody about Uru and Tokiko's plan for 6 years is due to a threat from Uru that he'll have Mizuki Date killed otherwise. 6 years later, Bibi explains to Mizuki that she's gotten involved again opened up to Mizuki because all of Uru's hidden bank accounts were recently frozen offscreen, so he can't hire assassins to go after Mizuki anymore.anymore. Arguably justifiable in that six years ago, Bibi was under the false knowledge that Tearer was Jin who had somehow been resurrected, and that it wasn't discovered until the present that Tearer was actually Uru, which would allow them to narrow down the investigation substantially.]]
** [[spoiler:Mizuki Kuranushi (aka Bibi) just happens to use the ''exact'' same outfit and hairstyle when she's 18 that Mizuki Date will use 6 years in the future. This is never commented on,nor do any of and the only character she interacts with who notes a general resemblance between the two is Date. This is arguably justifiable due to the characters she interacted encounters; Bibi never crosses paths with notice anything more than Amame, Iris, Ota and Kizuna during her investigations, Moma and Lien are work partners who keep her identity a general resemblance.secret, Gen has reasons not to acknowledge it because Bibi almost exposed the corpse in his restaurant, Ryuki is mentally unsound, and Shoma only met Bibi for a short hospital period where Bibi relayed a backstory counter to what everyone knew about Mizuki at the time. Since the two of them grew up together over the course of six years he'd have most likely only noticed changes to Mizuki's appearance in increments, and when Mizuki offers Shoma a Valentines chocolate in one of the present day routes, he admits to a sense of déjà vu, implying that his memory of the encounter is vague.]]
** [[spoiler:Mizuki Kuranushi (aka Bibi) just happens to use the ''exact'' same outfit and hairstyle when she's 18 that Mizuki Date will use 6 years in the future. This is never commented on,
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** Shoma is [[spoiler: effectively immortal, as he is aging incredibly slowly to the point he'll probably outlive most of his friends and his sister. However, this is never expanded on once the revelation is clear. While it's evident Shoma has been effected by it, he also gets over it off-screen on his own, and the whole discussion is put aside. Many fans felt that having a member being the protect of experimentation that would ultimately change his life expectancy would be more of a notable thing to explore.]]
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* BestLevelEver: [[spoiler: Iris' new Somnium]] has been near universally loved for the sheer fun factor. It's a throwback NostalgiaLevel where you go around recruiting major and supporting characters from the original game in order to fight past [[spoiler: So and Tearer]] in actual TurnBasedCombat, who are both portrayed as comically exaggerated supervillains. The atmosphere is whimsical and vibrant, the objective is simple and straightforward, and [[spoiler: Tearer turns into [[FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]] for some reason.]] What's not to like?
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* BestLevelEver: Nemesis Identified, [[spoiler: Iris' new Somnium]] has been near universally loved for the sheer fun factor. It's a throwback NostalgiaLevel where you go around recruiting major and supporting characters from the original game in order to fight past [[spoiler: So and Tearer]] in actual TurnBasedCombat, who are both portrayed as comically exaggerated supervillains. The atmosphere is whimsical and vibrant, the objective is simple and straightforward, and [[spoiler: Tearer turns into [[FinalFantasyVII Sephiroth]] for some reason.]] What's not to like?
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* TearJerker:
** The Gen and Amame ending, [[spoiler: where Gen dies in Amame's arms protecting her from automatic gunfire. His DyingDeclarationOfLove in his Wink Psync is especially poignant, combined with the music, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuI-TEm_Xrg&ab_channel=Fjan007 Tears Overflow]] :]]
-->[[spoiler:Gen: "I liked you as a friend. At least, that's what I told myself. But I truly loved... I just couldn't accept it. Even after I realized it, I acted like a friend. Treated you almost like a daughter. That's how I acted around you. It was the first time in my life I felt like this. I didn't know what to do."]]
-->[[spoiler:Amame: "Genny, you're so cute!"]]
-->[[spoiler:Gen: "What about me is cute? I'm as rugged as my name suggests."]]
-->[[spoiler:Amame: "But I like that about you. I love how big and strong you are! Just being near you makes me feel safe."]]
-->[[spoiler:Gen: "Hehe, that would change real quick if I took off my mask."]]
-->[[spoiler:Amame: "No, that's not true. I think your face is nice too! I like you whether or not you have your mask on!"]]
-->[[spoiler:Gen: "She probably likes me as a friend. Or maybe it's something more childish, like her stuffed animal or pet. But I was okay with that. As long as it meant being with her. And then she came to me for help. It made me so, so happy. But it was fleeting, I knew nothing would come of it. I am hideous after all. Oh God, how can you be so cruel?! I wish I never realized how I truly felt. Nothing happens... Nothing's there. I wanted to live a plain, dull life. I wanted to die quietly, alone. And now, everything that's hurt me before... means nothing. Everything that's hurt me before is nothing compared to the hurt I feel now. Oh God, why are you so cruel to me? She'll never love me, She's precious, pure, innocent, and beautiful... Why did you have to show her to me god!? I resent you..."Creator"... I curse you for this terrible fate you've given me!....No, no I can't. That's not the truth. I.. I am grateful to God. I...I met you. My fate...was meeting you."]]
-->[[spoiler:Amame: "Genny!"]]
-->[[spoiler:Gen: "Ah... Amame. I am truly... happy..."]]
** Ryuki's immense struggle with his circumstances, decaying mental health and overwhelming feelings of guilt can be difficult to get through. The poor guy goes through a lot, and it's only until the very end that things begin to let up...
** The Gen and Amame ending, [[spoiler: where Gen dies in Amame's arms protecting her from automatic gunfire. His DyingDeclarationOfLove in his Wink Psync is especially poignant, combined with the music, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuI-TEm_Xrg&ab_channel=Fjan007 Tears Overflow]] :]]
-->[[spoiler:Gen: "I liked you as a friend. At least, that's what I told myself. But I truly loved... I just couldn't accept it. Even after I realized it, I acted like a friend. Treated you almost like a daughter. That's how I acted around you. It was the first time in my life I felt like this. I didn't know what to do."]]
-->[[spoiler:Amame: "Genny, you're so cute!"]]
-->[[spoiler:Gen: "What about me is cute? I'm as rugged as my name suggests."]]
-->[[spoiler:Amame: "But I like that about you. I love how big and strong you are! Just being near you makes me feel safe."]]
-->[[spoiler:Gen: "Hehe, that would change real quick if I took off my mask."]]
-->[[spoiler:Amame: "No, that's not true. I think your face is nice too! I like you whether or not you have your mask on!"]]
-->[[spoiler:Gen: "She probably likes me as a friend. Or maybe it's something more childish, like her stuffed animal or pet. But I was okay with that. As long as it meant being with her. And then she came to me for help. It made me so, so happy. But it was fleeting, I knew nothing would come of it. I am hideous after all. Oh God, how can you be so cruel?! I wish I never realized how I truly felt. Nothing happens... Nothing's there. I wanted to live a plain, dull life. I wanted to die quietly, alone. And now, everything that's hurt me before... means nothing. Everything that's hurt me before is nothing compared to the hurt I feel now. Oh God, why are you so cruel to me? She'll never love me, She's precious, pure, innocent, and beautiful... Why did you have to show her to me god!? I resent you..."Creator"... I curse you for this terrible fate you've given me!....No, no I can't. That's not the truth. I.. I am grateful to God. I...I met you. My fate...was meeting you."]]
-->[[spoiler:Amame: "Genny!"]]
-->[[spoiler:Gen: "Ah... Amame. I am truly... happy..."]]
** Ryuki's immense struggle with his circumstances, decaying mental health and overwhelming feelings of guilt can be difficult to get through. The poor guy goes through a lot, and it's only until the very end that things begin to let up...
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* FanonDiscontinuity: It's not uncommon for fans to ignore Date's [[spoiler: disappearance completely, due to the fact that it [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot doesn't impact the plot much]] and it denies Mizuki [[YankTheDogsChain her happiness of finding a father that truly loves her after all the struggle she went through in the first game.]] Other fans go the other route, going into detail about the event to make up for how out of focus it is.]]
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** It's not uncommon for fans to ignore Date's [[spoiler: disappearance completely, due to the fact that it [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot doesn't impact the plot much]] and it denies Mizuki [[YankTheDogsChain her happiness of finding a father that truly loves her after all the struggle she went through in the first game.]] Other fans go the other route, going into detail about the event to make up for how out of focus it is.]]
** Some fans have ignored the idea of [[spoiler:Mizuki not being the biological child of Renju and Shoko for a handful of reasons. Mainly because it makes both parents much worse by having them choose to adopt a child despite Shoko never being aware of how a mother should treat a child and Renju already constantly busy with other responsibilities. Not to mention the fact that it simply makes it strange that Shoko looks so much like Mizuki despite not being blood related.]]
** It's not uncommon for fans to ignore Date's [[spoiler: disappearance completely, due to the fact that it [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot doesn't impact the plot much]] and it denies Mizuki [[YankTheDogsChain her happiness of finding a father that truly loves her after all the struggle she went through in the first game.]] Other fans go the other route, going into detail about the event to make up for how out of focus it is.]]
** Some fans have ignored the idea of [[spoiler:Mizuki not being the biological child of Renju and Shoko for a handful of reasons. Mainly because it makes both parents much worse by having them choose to adopt a child despite Shoko never being aware of how a mother should treat a child and Renju already constantly busy with other responsibilities. Not to mention the fact that it simply makes it strange that Shoko looks so much like Mizuki despite not being blood related.]]
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* FanonDiscontinuity: It's not uncommon for fans to ignore Date's [[spoiler: disappearance completely, due to the fact that it [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot doesn't impact the plot much]] and it denies Mizuki [[YankTheDogsChain her happiness of finding a father that truly loves her after all the struggle she went through in the first game.]] Other fans go the other route, going into detail about the event to make up for how out of focus the event is.]]
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* FanonDiscontinuity: It's not uncommon for fans to ignore Date's [[spoiler: disappearance completely, due to the fact that it [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot doesn't impact the plot much]] and it denies Mizuki [[YankTheDogsChain her happiness of finding a father that truly loves her after all the struggle she went through in the first game.]] Other fans go the other route, going into detail about the event to make up for how out of focus the event it is.]]
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** [[spoiler:Despite surviving a ceiling cave in, the reason why Date remained missing and never continued his investigation is because he had suffered EasyAmnesia for 6 years and only fully regained his memories when the HB murders were mentioned on the news again. How nobody ever found him despite him not actively hiding is never explained.]]
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** [[spoiler:Despite surviving a ceiling cave in, the reason why Date remained missing and never continued his investigation is because he had suffered EasyAmnesia for 6 years and only fully regained his memories when the HB murders were mentioned on the news again. How nobody ever found him despite him not actively hiding is never explained.explained, aside from him not wearing his Saito mask.]]
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** [[spoiler:Additionally, Mame, Boss, and several other characters all have identical appearances between the timelines despite a half-dozen years elapsing between them (though Date and Shoma do have justified reasons for looking the same thanks to the former having a mask, and the latter being experimented on). It could be written off as the developers not wanting to create new models or them not wanting to make it easy for players to guess the twist too soon. However, in the former's case, Iris and Ota ''do'' change appearances in the future timeline without any justified reason.]]
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** [[spoiler:Additionally, Mame, Boss, and several other characters all have identical appearances between the timelines despite a half-dozen years elapsing between them (though Date and Shoma do have justified reasons for looking the same thanks to the former having a mask, and the latter being experimented on). It could be written off as the developers not wanting to create new models or them not wanting to make it easy for players to guess the twist too soon. However, in the former's case, Iris and Ota ''do'' change appearances in the future timeline without any justified reason.]]
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** [[spoiler:The reason why Bibi never tells anybody about Uru and Tokiko's plan for 6 years is due to a threat from Uru that he'll have Mizuki Datekilled otherwise. 6 years later, Bibi explains to Mizuki that she's gotten involved again because all of Uru's bank accounts were recently frozen offscreen, so he can't hire assassins to go after Mizuki anymore.]]
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** [[spoiler:The reason why Bibi never tells anybody about Uru and Tokiko's plan for 6 years is due to a threat from Uru that he'll have Mizuki Datekilled Date killed otherwise. 6 years later, Bibi explains to Mizuki that she's gotten involved again because all of Uru's bank accounts were recently frozen offscreen, so he can't hire assassins to go after Mizuki anymore.]]
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** [[spoiler:The reason why Bibi never tells anybody about Uru and Tokiko's plan for 6 years is due to a threat from Uru that he'll have Kizuna killed otherwise. 6 years later, Bibi explains to Mizuki that she's gotten involved again because all of Uru's bank accounts were recently frozen offscreen, so he can't hire assassins to go after Kizuna anymore.]]
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** [[spoiler:The reason why Bibi never tells anybody about Uru and Tokiko's plan for 6 years is due to a threat from Uru that he'll have Kizuna killed Mizuki Datekilled otherwise. 6 years later, Bibi explains to Mizuki that she's gotten involved again because all of Uru's bank accounts were recently frozen offscreen, so he can't hire assassins to go after Kizuna Mizuki anymore.]]
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Some of ''nirvanA Initiative'''s issues do stem from the first game, such as the {{Railroading}} and the somewhat repetitive story telling required to get to the true ending. However, while the first game's railroading was more accepted because it was done either near the beginning or more than half way towards the end of the route. In addition, some routes provided much needed information to understand later twists, and the repetition was to better contextualize the situation. In ''nirvanA'' however, the game immediately stops you from taking the alternate route, forcing you to play through half the game with some routes very little additional information (such as Lien/Kizuna's route, which only reveals that the Masked woman looks exactly like Mizuki and Lien worked with her) before going back to near the beginning of the game to rediscover certain pieces of info, making it a bit more troublesome to go through.
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Some of ''nirvanA Initiative'''s issues do stem from the first game, such as the {{Railroading}} and the somewhat repetitive story telling required to get to the true ending. However, while the first game's railroading was more accepted because it was done either near the beginning or more than half way towards the end of the route. In addition, some routes provided much needed information to understand later twists, and the repetition was to better contextualize the situation. In ''nirvanA'' however, the game immediately stops you from taking the alternate route, forcing you to play through half the game with some routes providing very little additional information (such as Lien/Kizuna's route, which only reveals that the Masked woman looks exactly like Mizuki and Lien worked with her) before going back to near the beginning of the game to rediscover certain pieces of info, making it a bit more troublesome to go through.
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*CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[MadScientist Chikara Horadori]] is the director of the Horadori Institute of Genetics and a man [[ImmortalitySeeker obsessed with immortality]]. Long before the events of the game, Chikara had a son with Tokiko Shigure named Jin, who was born with a % shaped mark that Chikara saw as the key to conquering death. Jin eventually developed a condition that would destroy the right half of his body, to which Chikara, [[ImmortalityImmorality desperate to keep his dreams of eternal life alive]], responded by [[WouldHurtAChild kidnapping an orphan]], Uru Somezuki--[[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil the future Tearer]]--locking him in his basement, and surgically transferring his right half to Jin. Chikara eventually decided Jin wasn't enough and started kidnapping more orphans, genetically modifying and brutally torturing them, with the failures abandoned with severe physical and psychological issues.]]
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** Kizuna gets confined into a wheelchair after the end of the past segments (thus, making her unable to dance), initially feels as if Lien doesn't love her back at the start of the present timeline, and when it seems like her and Lien can finally be happy together, her father makes them break-up. Fortunately, the main ending has her father changing her mind.
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** Kizuna gets confined into becomes a wheelchair user after the end of the past segments (thus, making her unable to dance), initially feels as if Lien doesn't love her back at the start of the present timeline, and when it seems like her and Lien can finally be happy together, her father makes them break-up. Fortunately, the main ending has her father changing her mind.
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* SequelDifficultyDrop: While still a venture that requires some thinking to get across, the Somniums here require less out-of-the-box solutions than the first game had, and there’s plenty of hints to get you across. The absolute example is undoubtedly how the last Somniums between each game compare to each other, [[spoiler:Saito’s]] in the first game was very hard compared to anything that came before, requiring absolute time management to get across, the huge time penalties were so frequent that you were on tight situations at every step; however, here [[spoiler:Amame’s Second]] one might be led you to believe it is going to be a hard endeavor as well due how it introduces Eight whopping Mental Locks to go through, but the only real curve ball is a new mechanic introduced in it, aside that it is quite simple, and the number of Mental Locks might as well be a [[spoiler:fake-out, since after the fourth lock you are led to a straight forward series of questions that breezes through the last four locks in quick succession]].
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* SequelDifficultyDrop: While still a venture that requires some thinking to get across, the Somniums here require less out-of-the-box solutions than the first game had, and there’s plenty of hints to get you across. by. The absolute example is undoubtedly how the last Somniums between each game compare to each other, [[spoiler:Saito’s]] in the first game was very hard compared to anything that came before, requiring absolute time management to get across, through, the huge time penalties were so frequent that you were on tight situations at every step; however, here [[spoiler:Amame’s Second]] one might be led you to believe it is going to be a hard endeavor as well due how it introduces Eight whopping Mental Locks to go through, unravel, but the only real curve ball is a new mechanic introduced in it, aside that it is quite simple, and the number of Mental Locks might as well be a [[spoiler:fake-out, since after the fourth lock you are led taken to a straight forward series of questions that breezes through the last four locks in quick succession]].
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** [[spoiler:Additionally, Mame, Boss, and several other characters all have identical appearances between the timelines despite a half-dozen years elapsing between them (though Date and Shoma do have justified reasons for looking the same thanks to the former having a mask and the latter being experimented on). It could be written off as the developers not wanting to create new models, except Iris, Kizuna, and Ota ''do'' change appearances in the future timeline, seemingly for no reason other than keeping the player from guessing the twist too quickly.]]
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** [[spoiler:Additionally, Mame, Boss, and several other characters all have identical appearances between the timelines despite a half-dozen years elapsing between them (though Date and Shoma do have justified reasons for looking the same thanks to the former having a mask mask, and the latter being experimented on). It could be written off as the developers not wanting to create new models, except Iris, Kizuna, models or them not wanting to make it easy for players to guess the twist too soon. However, in the former's case, Iris and Ota ''do'' change appearances in the future timeline, seemingly for no reason other than keeping the player from guessing the twist too quickly.timeline without any justified reason.]]
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*** [[spoiler:The uniform is standard ABIS issue, and people rarely remember what someone wore six years ago anyway. Mizuki might even be using the exact same uniform that Bibi wore six years ago, due to her matching size.]]
*** [[spoiler:Additionally, Mame, Date, Boss, and several other characters all have identical appearances between the timelines despite a half-dozen years elapsing between them. It could be written off as the developers not wanting to create new models, except Iris and Ota ''do'' change appearances in the future timeline, seemingly for no reason other than keeping the player from guessing the twist too quickly.]]
*** [[spoiler:Date at least is wearing a mask, so his appearance wouldn't change.]]
*** [[spoiler:Additionally, Mame, Date, Boss, and several other characters all have identical appearances between the timelines despite a half-dozen years elapsing between them. It could be written off as the developers not wanting to create new models, except Iris and Ota ''do'' change appearances in the future timeline, seemingly for no reason other than keeping the player from guessing the twist too quickly.]]
*** [[spoiler:Date at least is wearing a mask, so his appearance wouldn't change.]]
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*** [[spoiler:Date at least is wearing a mask, so his appearance wouldn't change.
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*** [[spoiler:The uniform is standard ABIS issue, and people rarely remember what someone wore six years ago anyway. Mizuki might even be using the exact same uniform that Bibi used wore six years ago, due to her matching size.]]
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*** [[spoiler:The uniform is standard ABIS issue, and people rarely remember what someone wore six years ago anyway. Mizuki might even be using the exact same uniform that Bibi used six years ago, due to her matching size.]]
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* SequelDifficultyDrop: While still a venture that requires some thinking to get across, the Somniums here require less out-of-the-box solutions than the first game had, and there’s plenty of hints to get you across. The absolute example is undoubtedly how the last Somniums between each game compare to each other, [[spoiler:Saito’s]] in the first game was very hard compared to anything that came before, requiring absolute time management to get across, the huge time penalties were so frequent that you were on tight situations at every step; however, here [[spoiler:Amame’s Second]] one might be led you to believe it is going to be a hard endeavor as well due how it introduces Eight whopping Mental Locks to go through, but the only real curve ball is a new mechanic introduced in it, aside that it is quite simple, and the number of Mental Locks might as well be a [[spoiler:fake-out, since after the fourth lock you are led to a straight forward series of questions that breezes through the last four locks in quick succession]].
