History WhatMeasureIsANonHuman / Literature

14th Jan '16 8:12:01 AM Underachiever
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** ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' generally have the problem that Narnia is a country full of fantastic creatures, but to a large part they're just local color while the humans (and ideally human visitors from the "real" world at that) do the ''important'' stuff -- for example, the ''Dawn Treader'' leaves Narnia on [[Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader her eponymous voyage]] with a single nonhuman crew member who's mostly there for comic relief, and of course Narnia immediately starts to go downhill the moment it doesn't have the right sort of ''human'' ruler(s) in charge, too.

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** ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' generally in general have the problem that Narnia is a country full of fantastic creatures, but to a large part they're just local color while the humans (and ideally human visitors from the "real" world at that) do the ''important'' stuff -- stuff. A hundred years of winter under the reign of the White Witch, but it takes four kids from real world Britain to stumble into a wardrobe for example, Aslan to bother showing up and everyone to rally to actually ''do'' anything about her. When the same kids come back post-timeskip and discover to their shock that Narnia's been conquered by humans, it's only to put the "correct" spawn of ''that exact human dynasty'' on the throne and once they do it's all sunshine and rainbows again. The ''Dawn Treader'' leaves Narnia on [[Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader her eponymous voyage]] with a single nonhuman crew member who's mostly there for comic relief, and of course Narnia immediately starts to go downhill the moment it doesn't have the right sort of ''human'' ruler(s) in charge, too.relief. And so on.
14th Jan '16 7:58:38 AM Underachiever
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** ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfNarnia'' generally have the problem that Narnia is a country full of fantastic creatures, but to a large part they're just local color while the humans (and ideally human visitors from the "real" world at that) do the ''important'' stuff -- for example, the ''Dawn Treader'' leaves Narnia on [[Literature/TheVoyageOfTheDawnTreader her eponymous voyage]] with a single nonhuman crew member who's mostly there for comic relief, and of course Narnia immediately starts to go downhill the moment it doesn't have the right sort of ''human'' ruler(s) in charge, too.
16th Sep '15 6:27:00 AM Sharlee
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** Played with/deconstructed in ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'': not only are the Clan (talking rats) the object of this trope themselves, but their intra-Clan arguments about the status of ''non''-talking rats pretty much cover the full range of WhatMeasureIsANonHuman, from complete disregard and hostility to believing they're innocents that merit kindness and protection.
12th Jul '15 6:22:06 AM Midna
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--->"But you are killing us"\\
"No, I am merely putting you in a very hard to escape situation, if you can't figure it out, it's not my fault"\\
"But you are killing the Chee" (A race of sentient androids)\\
"They are just robots"\\

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--->"But you are killing us"\\
us."\\
"No, I am merely putting you in a situation which is very hard to escape situation, if escape. If you can't figure it out, it's not my fault"\\
fault."\\
"But you are killing the Chee" (A Chee (a race of sentient androids)\\
androids)."\\
"They are just robots"\\robots."\\
3rd May '15 11:12:03 PM nombretomado
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* This is justified in the ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' series by saying that all sentient beings other than humans (who go down to the Underworld when they die) and gods (who can't be killed to begin with) can come BackFromTheDead. Consequentially, Percy has no problem killing monsters who attack him but tries to avoid killing human villains. This also justifies the existence of monsters who were killed in the original ClassicalMythology, like the Minotaur.

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* This is justified in the ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' series by saying that all sentient beings other than humans (who go down to the Underworld when they die) and gods (who can't be killed to begin with) can come BackFromTheDead. Consequentially, Percy has no problem killing monsters who attack him but tries to avoid killing human villains. This also justifies the existence of monsters who were killed in the original ClassicalMythology, Myth/ClassicalMythology, like the Minotaur.
19th Apr '15 3:38:05 AM Skunkdragon
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* Literature/WetGoddess: One of, if not the most significant theme in the novel.
-->If Ruby were a human woman for whom I felt the same affection and respect, would I have had a second's worth of second thoughts? Hell no! Given her native intelligence and her obvious passion, should species be any more a repugnant barrier than race? Wasn't the foundation of all racism the abhorrent fallacy that the despised human group was, in fact, a different, inferior sub-species?
11th Mar '15 8:27:22 PM MagBas
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* The orcs in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' have names and personalities, seem to be at least mildly intelligent, and probably have some kind of families since they can reproduce. When Sam sees "evil" humans killed in battle, he wonders whether they were truly evil or simply misled. Nobody in-universe spares such sentimental thoughts for orcs. Out-of-universe, Tolkien was troubled by the UnfortunateImplications of an AlwaysChaoticEvil race until the day he died. He came up with various theories to justify this. The eventual idea seems to be that the first Orcs were Elves captured by [[GodOfEvil Morgoth]], corrupted and [[TortureMakesYouEvil tortured]] into Orcs.

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* The orcs in ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'' have names and personalities, seem to be at least mildly intelligent, and probably have some kind of families since they can reproduce. When Sam sees "evil" humans killed in battle, he wonders whether they were truly evil or simply misled. Nobody in-universe spares such sentimental thoughts for orcs. Out-of-universe, Tolkien was troubled by the UnfortunateImplications of an AlwaysChaoticEvil race until the day he died. He came up with various theories to justify this. The eventual idea seems to be that the first Orcs were Elves captured by [[GodOfEvil Morgoth]], corrupted and [[TortureMakesYouEvil tortured]] into Orcs.
15th Feb '15 4:37:10 AM ading
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* This is justified in the ''Literature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' series by saying that all sentient beings other than humans (who go down to the Underworld when they die) and gods (who can't be killed to begin with) can come BackFromTheDead. Consequentially, Percy has no problem killing monsters who attack him but tries to avoid killing human villains. This also justifies the existence of monsters who were killed in the original ClassicalMythology, like the Minotaur.
29th Dec '14 5:34:21 PM MarchVee
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* In the ''HiveSeries'', after the reveal that [[spoiler:Otto is a clone, implanted with an organic computer to augment his brain, he]] begins to think of [[spoiler:him]]self as not human. All of the other characters completely disregard this, however, treating [[spoiler:him]] exactly as they did before finding out about [[spoiler:his heritage.]] In fact, the only character who treats [[spoiler:Otto]] as anything but human is [[spoiler:his father.]]

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* In the ''HiveSeries'', ''Literature/HIVESeries'', after the reveal that [[spoiler:Otto is a clone, implanted with an organic computer to augment his brain, he]] begins to think of [[spoiler:him]]self as not human. All of the other characters completely disregard this, however, treating [[spoiler:him]] exactly as they did before finding out about [[spoiler:his heritage.]] In fact, the only character who treats [[spoiler:Otto]] as anything but human is [[spoiler:his father.]]
23rd Dec '14 5:50:20 AM ChronoLegion
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* Dr. Cherijo Torin in ''Literature/StarDoc'' is a genetically-engineered female clone of her father (her first name means "Comprehensive Human Enhancement Research, ID: 'J' Organism"). When she first finds out about it, she flees Earth for a remote alien planet to both get out from under her creator/father's influence and avoid being exterminated by Earth law. The truth is still discovered, and Cherijo is put on trial. Her JerkAss colleague starts arguing that she's nothing more than a biological machine programmed to think that ''it'''s sentient. Of course, there's a bit of FridgeLogic to this, since, if this were true, there'd be no way to distinguish between this and real sentience. And anyway, Cherijo grew up the same way a natural-born human would have. In a later novel it's revealed that her father deliberately lobbied the Earth government to ban cloning and genetic engineering in order to maintain a monopoly on his own research (for which he has a special dispensation), so this attitude is most definitely unnatural.
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