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13th May '18 9:10:21 AM ACW
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* {{Downplayed}} in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. Kenshiro and Rei slaughter any mook they encounter in gruesome painful ways, but are [[NeverLiveItDown well-known]] to sympathize with {{Big Bad}}s once they show a FreudianExcuse. (No matter if they are one FreudianExcuse short of being a CompleteMonster; Thouzer being a notorious offender.) The downplayed part, however, comes from the facts that: a) plenty of these mooks are introduced while [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]] to prove that they are just as depraved as their boss, and b) while they may sympathize with and shed ManlyTears for the BigBad, Kenshiro or Rei ''still'' kill him. For instance, Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave. However, Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him. (And to be totally fair to him, the aforementioned members of the Fang Clan [[DirtyCoward were cowards who acted all high and mighty with those unable to fight back and ran away when it became clear they didn't stand a chance]]).

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* {{Downplayed}} in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. Kenshiro and Rei slaughter any mook they encounter in gruesome painful ways, but are [[NeverLiveItDown well-known]] to sympathize with {{Big Bad}}s once they show a FreudianExcuse. (No matter if they are one FreudianExcuse short of being a CompleteMonster; monster; Thouzer being a notorious offender.) The downplayed part, however, comes from the facts that: a) plenty of these mooks are introduced while [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]] to prove that they are just as depraved as their boss, and b) while they may sympathize with and shed ManlyTears for the BigBad, Kenshiro or Rei ''still'' kill him. For instance, Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave. However, Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him. (And to be totally fair to him, the aforementioned members of the Fang Clan [[DirtyCoward were cowards who acted all high and mighty with those unable to fight back and ran away when it became clear they didn't stand a chance]]).
13th May '18 7:27:04 AM rufusluciusivan
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* {{Downplayed}} in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. Kenshiro and Rei slaughter any mook they encounter in gruesome painful ways, but are [[NeverLiveItDown well-known]] to sympathize with {{Big Bad}}s once they show a FreudianExcuse. (No matter if they are oneFreudianExcuse short of being a CompleteMonster; Thouzer being a notorious offender.) The downplayed part, however, comes from the facts that: a) plenty of these mooks are introduced while [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]] to prove that they are just as depraved as their boss, and b) while they may sympathize with and shed ManlyTears for the BigBad, Kenshiro or Rei ''still'' kill him. For instance, Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave. However, Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him. (And to be totally fair to him, the aforementioned members of the Fang Clan [[DirtyCoward were cowards who acted all high and mighty with those unable to fight back and ran away when it became clear they didn't stand a chance]]).

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* {{Downplayed}} in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. Kenshiro and Rei slaughter any mook they encounter in gruesome painful ways, but are [[NeverLiveItDown well-known]] to sympathize with {{Big Bad}}s once they show a FreudianExcuse. (No matter if they are oneFreudianExcuse one FreudianExcuse short of being a CompleteMonster; Thouzer being a notorious offender.) The downplayed part, however, comes from the facts that: a) plenty of these mooks are introduced while [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]] to prove that they are just as depraved as their boss, and b) while they may sympathize with and shed ManlyTears for the BigBad, Kenshiro or Rei ''still'' kill him. For instance, Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave. However, Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him. (And to be totally fair to him, the aforementioned members of the Fang Clan [[DirtyCoward were cowards who acted all high and mighty with those unable to fight back and ran away when it became clear they didn't stand a chance]]).
13th May '18 7:26:48 AM rufusluciusivan
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* {{Downplayed}} in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. Kenshiro and Rei slaughter any mook they encounter in gruesome painful ways, but are [[NeverLiveItDown well-known]] to sympathize with {{BigBad}}s once they show a FreudianExcuse. (No matter if they are oneFreudianExcuse short of being a CompleteMonster; Thouzer being a notorious offender.) The downplayed part, however, comes from the facts that: a) plenty of these mooks are introduced while [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]] to prove that they are just as depraved as their boss, and b) while they may sympathize with and shed ManlyTears for the BigBad, Kenshiro or Rei ''still'' kill him. For instance, Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave. However, Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him. (And to be totally fair to him, the aforementioned members of the Fang Clan [[DirtyCoward were cowards who acted all high and mighty with those unable to fight back and ran away when it became clear they didn't stand a chance]]).

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* {{Downplayed}} in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. Kenshiro and Rei slaughter any mook they encounter in gruesome painful ways, but are [[NeverLiveItDown well-known]] to sympathize with {{BigBad}}s {{Big Bad}}s once they show a FreudianExcuse. (No matter if they are oneFreudianExcuse short of being a CompleteMonster; Thouzer being a notorious offender.) The downplayed part, however, comes from the facts that: a) plenty of these mooks are introduced while [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]] to prove that they are just as depraved as their boss, and b) while they may sympathize with and shed ManlyTears for the BigBad, Kenshiro or Rei ''still'' kill him. For instance, Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave. However, Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him. (And to be totally fair to him, the aforementioned members of the Fang Clan [[DirtyCoward were cowards who acted all high and mighty with those unable to fight back and ran away when it became clear they didn't stand a chance]]).
13th May '18 7:26:22 AM rufusluciusivan
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* {{Dowplayed}} in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. Kenshiro and Rei slaughter any mook they encounter in gruesome painful ways, but are [[NeverLiveItDown well-known]] to sympathize with {{BigBad}}s once they show a FreudianExcuse. (No matter if they are oneFreudianExcuse short of being a CompleteMonster; Thouzer being a notorious offender.) The downplayed part, however, comes from the facts that: a) plenty of these mooks are introduced while [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]] to prove that they are just as depraved as their boss, and b) while they may sympathize with and shed ManlyTears for the BigBad, Kenshiro or Rei ''still'' kill him. For instance, Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave. However, Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him. (And to be totally fair to him, the aforementioned members of the Fang Clan [[DirtyCoward were cowards who acted all high and mighty with those unable to fight back and ran away when it became clear they didn't stand a chance]]).

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* {{Dowplayed}} {{Downplayed}} in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. Kenshiro and Rei slaughter any mook they encounter in gruesome painful ways, but are [[NeverLiveItDown well-known]] to sympathize with {{BigBad}}s once they show a FreudianExcuse. (No matter if they are oneFreudianExcuse short of being a CompleteMonster; Thouzer being a notorious offender.) The downplayed part, however, comes from the facts that: a) plenty of these mooks are introduced while [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]] to prove that they are just as depraved as their boss, and b) while they may sympathize with and shed ManlyTears for the BigBad, Kenshiro or Rei ''still'' kill him. For instance, Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave. However, Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him. (And to be totally fair to him, the aforementioned members of the Fang Clan [[DirtyCoward were cowards who acted all high and mighty with those unable to fight back and ran away when it became clear they didn't stand a chance]]).
13th May '18 7:26:08 AM rufusluciusivan
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* In ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'', Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave. Although, to be totally fair to him, the aforementioned members of the Fang Clan [[DirtyCoward were cowards who acted all high and mighty with those unable to fight back and ran away when it became clear they didn't stand a chance]]. And Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him.

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* In ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'', {{Dowplayed}} in ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar''. Kenshiro and Rei slaughter any mook they encounter in gruesome painful ways, but are [[NeverLiveItDown well-known]] to sympathize with {{BigBad}}s once they show a FreudianExcuse. (No matter if they are oneFreudianExcuse short of being a CompleteMonster; Thouzer being a notorious offender.) The downplayed part, however, comes from the facts that: a) plenty of these mooks are introduced while [[KickTheDog kicking the dog]] to prove that they are just as depraved as their boss, and b) while they may sympathize with and shed ManlyTears for the BigBad, Kenshiro or Rei ''still'' kill him. For instance, Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave. Although, However, Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him. (And to be totally fair to him, the aforementioned members of the Fang Clan [[DirtyCoward were cowards who acted all high and mighty with those unable to fight back and ran away when it became clear they didn't stand a chance]]. And Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him.chance]]).
13th Apr '18 4:42:33 PM captainpat
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* A case in and out of universe occurred in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' recently; Sasuke is pursuing Danzo, the most recent target of his ongoing quest for revenge, into a foreign country where the Kages are meeting. On the way, he is found by the Samurai in charge of guarding the area. Before, Sasuke proved capable of defeating hundreds of mooks non-lethally, but Sasuke elects instead to just ''kill everyone that gets in his way'', slaughtering dozens of men just doing their jobs because it was quicker than not killing them. Ironically, this act is never remarked upon by other characters beyond Suigetsu noting that Sasuke is becoming more and more of a {{Hypocrite}}, and the fandom didn't consider Sasuke across the MoralEventHorizon until he [[spoiler:stabbed Karin, a character with a ''name'', several chapters later]]. To be fair, [[spoiler:Karin was one of Sasuke's few allies. Trying to kill someone who would follow you into hell is a better indicator for crossing the MoralEventHorizon than killing people he never knew nor cared for]].

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* A case in and out of universe occurred in ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' recently; ''Manga/{{Naruto}}''
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Sasuke is pursuing Danzo, the most recent target of his ongoing quest for revenge, into a foreign country where the Kages are meeting. On the way, he is found by the Samurai in charge of guarding the area. Before, Sasuke proved capable of defeating hundreds of mooks non-lethally, but Sasuke elects instead to just ''kill everyone that gets in his way'', slaughtering dozens of men just doing their jobs because it was quicker than not killing them. Ironically, this act is never remarked upon by other characters beyond Suigetsu noting that Sasuke is becoming more and more of a {{Hypocrite}}, and the fandom didn't consider Sasuke across the MoralEventHorizon until he [[spoiler:stabbed Karin, a character with a ''name'', several chapters later]]. To be fair, [[spoiler:Karin was one of Sasuke's few allies. Trying to kill someone who would follow you into hell is a better indicator for crossing the MoralEventHorizon than killing people he never knew nor cared for]].{{Hypocrite}}.
8th Jan '17 8:45:32 AM SAMAS
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* One could argue that ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam0080WarInThePocket'' is a deconstruction of this. The main characters, with the exception of Al, are Zeon pilots using mass-produced Mobile Suits. And each and every one of them is taken down in seconds by the Gundam of this series, with the exception of [[spoiler: Bernie, who still dies by the Gundam's hands despite his best efforts.]] And to the pilot of the Gundam, they're just random enemies.

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* One could argue that ''Anime/MobileSuitGundam0080WarInThePocket'' is a deconstruction of this. The main characters, with the exception of Al, are Zeon pilots using mass-produced Mobile Suits. And each and every one of them is taken down in seconds by the Gundam of this series, with the exception of [[spoiler: Bernie, who still dies by the Gundam's hands despite his best efforts.]] And to the pilot of the Gundam, they're just random enemies. [[spoiler:Except for [[CapuletCounterparts That last one]], but poor Al didn't have the heart to tell her.]]
15th Aug '16 7:25:40 AM Morgenthaler
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* Rin Asano from ''Manga/BladeOfTheImmortal'' outright admits, after many adventures, some pretty deep questions concerning mortality and what taking another human's life actually means, as well as the issues concerning fighting for the sake of another human's life, that she values [[TheBodyguard Manji]]'s life higher than the lives of any number of strangers. Due to the nature of story primarily dealing in GreyAndGreyMorality perspectives with plenty of humanizing characterisation of villains, by the time she says this, the statement doesn't come across as either good or bad, but simply very human.

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* Rin Asano from ''Manga/BladeOfTheImmortal'' outright admits, after many adventures, some pretty deep questions concerning mortality and what taking another human's life actually means, as well as the issues concerning fighting for the sake of another human's life, that she values [[TheBodyguard Manji]]'s Manji's life higher than the lives of any number of strangers. Due to the nature of story primarily dealing in GreyAndGreyMorality perspectives with plenty of humanizing characterisation of villains, by the time she says this, the statement doesn't come across as either good or bad, but simply very human.
7th Aug '16 6:28:05 AM rufusluciusivan
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* In ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'', Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave.

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* In ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar'', Rei kills the last fleeing members of the Fang Clan ({{Psychopathic Manchild}}ren who had kidnapped his girlfriend Mamiya and killed her brother) after they had abandoned their boss and given up. Compare this with his [[DiedInYourArmsTonight treatment]] [[EasilyForgiven of Yuda]], a deranged DirtyCoward who killed Mamiya's parents on her birthday and forced her to be his sex slave. Although, to be totally fair to him, the aforementioned members of the Fang Clan [[DirtyCoward were cowards who acted all high and mighty with those unable to fight back and ran away when it became clear they didn't stand a chance]]. And Rei only shows sympathy to Yuda after mortally wounding him.
15th Dec '15 11:52:26 PM tdwally
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** Invoked during the WarArc. Naruto sends his (expendable and ultimately fleeting) shadow clones to each of the war's fronts. When a massive attack ravages the Fourth Division, a clone gets angry over how a Cloud ninja saved him over an actual person. The Cloud ninja justifies himself by pointing out they need the clone far more than any random RedShirt he could have saved.
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