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12th Nov '16 5:43:19 AM PhysicsPhil
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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' - funny fantasy by the guy who wrote kids' books like the ''Literature/NomesTrilogy'' and ''Literature/JohnnyMaxwellTrilogy''? Well, ''maybe''. There probably isn't anything particularly scarring in there, and the language never gets worse than "shit" (and rarely above "bloody"), but [[Creator/TerryPratchett Sir Terry]] himself admitted to being perturbed when a class full of kids wrote him letters about ''Discworld/TheTruth'' and how much they liked the violent, would-be drug addict Mr Tulip. Of course, there are also ''Discworld'' novels that ''are'' aimed at kids: ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'' and the Tiffany Aching novels - although one might argue each Tiffany book isn't entirely suitable for kids younger than Tiffany at the time (''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight'' features mob justice for a child beater, and even in-story Tiffany's dad is uncomfortable telling her the backstory to that, as well as a being of pure hatred that poisons everyone against Tiffany - it's notable that ''Discworld/{{Wintersmith}}'' onwards lack the "compact hardback" editions of previous YA Discworld novels, appearing more like the adult books).

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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' - funny fantasy by the guy who wrote kids' books like the ''Literature/NomesTrilogy'' and ''Literature/JohnnyMaxwellTrilogy''? Well, ''maybe''. There probably isn't anything particularly scarring in there, and the language never gets worse than "shit" (and rarely above "bloody"), but [[Creator/TerryPratchett Sir Terry]] himself admitted to being perturbed when a class full of kids wrote him letters about ''Discworld/TheTruth'' and how much they liked the violent, would-be drug addict Mr Tulip. Also, many of the earlier books are directly riffing on other works, which themselves are not all suitable for children. Of course, there are also ''Discworld'' novels that ''are'' aimed at kids: ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'' and the Tiffany Aching novels - although one might argue each Tiffany book isn't entirely suitable for kids younger than Tiffany at the time (''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight'' features mob justice for a child beater, and even in-story Tiffany's dad is uncomfortable telling her the backstory to that, as well as a being of pure hatred that poisons everyone against Tiffany - it's notable that ''Discworld/{{Wintersmith}}'' onwards lack the "compact hardback" editions of previous YA Discworld novels, appearing more like the adult books).
2nd Nov '16 7:34:47 AM Prinzenick
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* Most [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Greek and Roman myths]] in their classical form. Ovid's [[Literature/TheMetamorphoses Metamorphoses]] have copious amounts of rape, gore, and cruelty.

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* Most [[Myth/ClassicalMythology Greek and Roman myths]] in their classical form. Ovid's [[Literature/TheMetamorphoses Metamorphoses]] have copious amounts of rape, gore, and cruelty.cruelty, which can easily take people off guard who are more familiar with the kid-friendly adaptations of the myths like Disney's ''Disney/{{Hercules}}''.
2nd Nov '16 7:30:11 AM Prinzenick
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* ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' was a kid's movie, complete with a source-tribute opening song about "Arabian nights". But parents whose kids pester them for more of the same shouldn't touch ''[[Literature/ArabianNights A Thousand and One Nights]]'' with a ten foot pole, unless they want their children reading about forced marriage, infidelity, serial [[SesquipedalianLoquaciousness uxoricide]], and explicit descriptions of human anatomy ... and that's just in the ''frame story!'' Hopefully they'll catch on before Scheherazade starts rambling on about corpse-tearing ghouls, bestiality, or [[GagPenis penis humor]].

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* Disney's ''Disney/{{Aladdin}}'' was a kid's movie, complete with a source-tribute opening song about "Arabian nights". But parents whose kids pester them for more of the same shouldn't touch ''[[Literature/ArabianNights A Thousand and One Nights]]'' with a ten foot pole, unless they want their children reading about forced marriage, infidelity, serial [[SesquipedalianLoquaciousness uxoricide]], and explicit descriptions of human anatomy ... and that's just in the ''frame story!'' Hopefully they'll catch on before Scheherazade starts rambling on about corpse-tearing ghouls, bestiality, or [[GagPenis penis humor]]. There's a lot of racist content and inherent ValuesDissonance in it, too.
27th Oct '16 10:50:40 AM Morgenthaler
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* For some reason, possibly because like many current [=YA=] titles it features young female protagonists in a dystopian future, The Queen of the Tearling keeps getting listed under young adult. And yet, with topics popping up such as rape, murder, mass murder (including of children), child rape, infant rape, prostitution, forced prostitution, and torture, this book is often compared to ASongOfIceAndFire.

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* For some reason, possibly because like many current [=YA=] titles it features young female protagonists in a dystopian future, The Queen of the Tearling ''Literature/TheQueenOfTheTearling'' keeps getting listed under young adult. And yet, with topics popping up such as rape, murder, mass murder (including of children), child rape, infant rape, prostitution, forced prostitution, and torture, this book is often compared to ASongOfIceAndFire.''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire''.
27th Jul '16 3:53:49 PM nombretomado
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*** It could also be that you don't actually have to ''see'' anything in a book; reading a sex scene would be a lot different for a kid than seeing it on camera, and the same goes for gore. Kids may have active imaginations, but when reading they typically won't imagine what they can't understand (naturally) and so wouldn't be so forcibly exposed to violence as they would be if it was on television. Of course, if the scenes are described particularly graphically, that probably won't be the case at all. In an article on writing for children that used to be on TheBBC website, Creator/DianaWynneJones advises against sex scenes because the kids will find them boring and confusing, rather than traumatic.

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*** It could also be that you don't actually have to ''see'' anything in a book; reading a sex scene would be a lot different for a kid than seeing it on camera, and the same goes for gore. Kids may have active imaginations, but when reading they typically won't imagine what they can't understand (naturally) and so wouldn't be so forcibly exposed to violence as they would be if it was on television. Of course, if the scenes are described particularly graphically, that probably won't be the case at all. In an article on writing for children that used to be on TheBBC Creator/TheBBC website, Creator/DianaWynneJones advises against sex scenes because the kids will find them boring and confusing, rather than traumatic.
20th Jul '16 7:40:21 AM Morgenthaler
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* RosemaryWells who is well-known as the creator behind MaxAndRuby,TimothyGoesToSchool, the Yoko series, and Yoko & Friends, always makes children's books that star anthropomorphic animals. She also made other books without her signature animal illustrations such as "Red Moon" (Which is set during TheAmericanCivilWar) and "Through The Hidden Door" are geared towards older readers. Which explains why she doesn't do illustrations for those books along with "Helping Children Cope With Divorce" and "Helping Children Cope With Grief". Probably to avoid the situation RaymondBriggs did by [[ArtStyleDissonance using the same Illustrations]] for Literature/TheSnowman for his comic book ComicBook/WhenTheWindBlows.

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* RosemaryWells Creator/RosemaryWells who is well-known as the creator behind MaxAndRuby,TimothyGoesToSchool, ''Literature/MaxAndRuby'', ''Literature/TimothyGoesToSchool'', the Yoko series, and Yoko & Friends, always makes children's books that star anthropomorphic animals. She also made other books without her signature animal illustrations such as "Red Moon" (Which is set during TheAmericanCivilWar) and "Through The Hidden Door" are geared towards older readers. Which explains why she doesn't do illustrations for those books along with "Helping Children Cope With Divorce" and "Helping Children Cope With Grief". Probably to avoid the situation RaymondBriggs Creator/RaymondBriggs did by [[ArtStyleDissonance using the same Illustrations]] for Literature/TheSnowman for his comic book ComicBook/WhenTheWindBlows.
17th Jul '16 2:51:24 PM PrincessGwen
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* A book published in Soviet Union with titled "[[Creator/FyodorDostoevsky Dostoevsky]] to children". You know, Dostoevsky has never wrote books for children, but he did write ''about'' children, what was a principle to select fragments for this antology.

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* A book published in Soviet Union with titled "[[Creator/FyodorDostoevsky Dostoevsky]] to children". You know, Dostoevsky has never wrote written books for children, but he did write ''about'' children, what was a principle to select fragments for this antology.



** Death of vehicle-crushed drunk [[CrimeAndPunishment Marmeladov]] in front of his children, surrounded by their tuberculosis mother, prostitute elder half-sister and some local riff-raff (including one kind student who is, you probably know, murderer).
* In Soviet Union there was a "classical age [[GhettoIndex ghetto]]" -- a common believe that classical art, especially literature, was made to teach what is [[TrueArtIsAncient True Art]] and Good Sense to schoolchildren. This lived together with very fuzzy age rating system and the fact that description of pre-revolutionary times was kept on board much to show that everything was a CrapsackWorld before [[UsefulNotes/VladimirLenin Lenin]] came and fixed it. Some combination of these factors allowed Creator/IvanBunin's work ''Village'' to be published by publishing house "Malysh"[[note]]Literally, "Baby" publishing house[[/note]] (specializing mainly on very first children's reading) and get to school libraries. Well, about scaring someone out of late TsaristRussia this book does the best, portraying stillbirth, forced adultery, infanticide, husband spoiling, gang rape and other things not AT ALL for babies.

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** Death of vehicle-crushed drunk [[CrimeAndPunishment Marmeladov]] in front of his children, surrounded by their tuberculosis stricken mother, prostitute elder half-sister and some local riff-raff (including one kind student who is, you probably know, a murderer).
* In the Soviet Union there was a "classical age [[GhettoIndex ghetto]]" -- a common believe belief that classical art, especially literature, was made to teach what is [[TrueArtIsAncient True Art]] and Good Sense to schoolchildren. This lived together with very fuzzy age rating system and the fact that description of pre-revolutionary times was kept on board much to show that everything was a CrapsackWorld before [[UsefulNotes/VladimirLenin Lenin]] came and fixed it. Some combination of these factors allowed Creator/IvanBunin's work ''Village'' to be published by publishing house "Malysh"[[note]]Literally, "Baby" publishing house[[/note]] (specializing mainly on very first children's reading) and get to school libraries. Well, about scaring someone out of late TsaristRussia this book does the best, portraying stillbirth, forced adultery, infanticide, husband spoiling, gang rape and other things not AT ALL for babies.
5th Jul '16 1:27:08 PM DaibhidC
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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' - funny fantasy by the guy who wrote kids' books like ''Literature/TheBromeliad'' and ''Literature/JohnnyMaxwellTrilogy''? Well, ''maybe''. There probably isn't anything particularly scarring in there, and the language never gets worse than "shit" (and rarely above "bloody"), but [[Creator/TerryPratchett Sir Terry]] himself admitted to being perturbed when a class full of kids wrote him letters about ''Discworld/TheTruth'' and how much they liked the violent, would-be drug addict Mr Tulip. Of course, there are also ''Discworld'' novels that ''are'' aimed at kids: ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'' and the Tiffany Aching novels - although one might argue each Tiffany book isn't entirely suitable for kids younger than Tiffany at the time (''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight'' features mob justice for a child beater, and even in-story Tiffany's dad is uncomfortable telling her the backstory to that, as well as a being of pure hatred that poisons everyone against Tiffany - it's notable that ''Discworld/{{Wintersmith}}'' onwards lack the "compact hardback" editions of previous YA Discworld novels, appearing more like the adult books).

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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' - funny fantasy by the guy who wrote kids' books like ''Literature/TheBromeliad'' the ''Literature/NomesTrilogy'' and ''Literature/JohnnyMaxwellTrilogy''? Well, ''maybe''. There probably isn't anything particularly scarring in there, and the language never gets worse than "shit" (and rarely above "bloody"), but [[Creator/TerryPratchett Sir Terry]] himself admitted to being perturbed when a class full of kids wrote him letters about ''Discworld/TheTruth'' and how much they liked the violent, would-be drug addict Mr Tulip. Of course, there are also ''Discworld'' novels that ''are'' aimed at kids: ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'' and the Tiffany Aching novels - although one might argue each Tiffany book isn't entirely suitable for kids younger than Tiffany at the time (''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight'' features mob justice for a child beater, and even in-story Tiffany's dad is uncomfortable telling her the backstory to that, as well as a being of pure hatred that poisons everyone against Tiffany - it's notable that ''Discworld/{{Wintersmith}}'' onwards lack the "compact hardback" editions of previous YA Discworld novels, appearing more like the adult books).
5th Jul '16 1:26:05 PM DaibhidC
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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' - funny fantasy by the guy who wrote kids' books like ''Literature/Bromeliad'' and ''Literature/JohnnyMaxwellTrilogy''? Well, ''maybe''. There probably isn't anything particularly scarring in there, and the language never gets worse than "shit" (and rarely above "bloody"), but [[Creator/TerryPratchett Sir Terry]] himself admitted to being perturbed when a class full of kids wrote him letters about ''Discworld/TheTruth'' and how much they liked the violent, would-be drug addict Mr Tulip. Of course, there are also ''Discworld'' novels that ''are'' aimed at kids: ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'' and the Tiffany Aching novels - although one might argue each Tiffany book isn't entirely suitable for kids younger than Tiffany at the time (''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight'' features mob justice for a child beater, and even in-story Tiffany's dad is uncomfortable telling her the backstory to that, as well as a being of pure hatred that poisons everyone against Tiffany - it's notable that ''Discworld/{{Wintersmith}}'' onwards lack the "compact hardback" editions of previous YA Discworld novels, appearing more like the adult books).

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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' - funny fantasy by the guy who wrote kids' books like ''Literature/Bromeliad'' ''Literature/TheBromeliad'' and ''Literature/JohnnyMaxwellTrilogy''? Well, ''maybe''. There probably isn't anything particularly scarring in there, and the language never gets worse than "shit" (and rarely above "bloody"), but [[Creator/TerryPratchett Sir Terry]] himself admitted to being perturbed when a class full of kids wrote him letters about ''Discworld/TheTruth'' and how much they liked the violent, would-be drug addict Mr Tulip. Of course, there are also ''Discworld'' novels that ''are'' aimed at kids: ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'' and the Tiffany Aching novels - although one might argue each Tiffany book isn't entirely suitable for kids younger than Tiffany at the time (''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight'' features mob justice for a child beater, and even in-story Tiffany's dad is uncomfortable telling her the backstory to that, as well as a being of pure hatred that poisons everyone against Tiffany - it's notable that ''Discworld/{{Wintersmith}}'' onwards lack the "compact hardback" editions of previous YA Discworld novels, appearing more like the adult books).
5th Jul '16 1:25:34 PM DaibhidC
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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' - funny fantasy by the guy who wrote kids' books like ''Literature/Bromeliad'' and ''Literature/JohnnyMaxwellTrilogy''? Well, ''maybe''. There probably isn't anything particularly scarring in there, and the language never gets worse than "shit" (and rarely above "bloody"), but [[Creator/TerryPratchett Sir Terry]] himself admitted to being perturbed when a class full of kids wrote him letters about ''Discworld/TheTruth'' and how much they liked the violent, would-be drug addict Mr Tulip. Of course, there are also ''Discworld'' novels that ''are'' aimed at kids: ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'' and the Tiffany Aching novels - although one might argue each Tiffany book isn't entirely suitable for kids younger than Tiffany at the time (''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight'' features mob justice for a child beater, and even in-story Tiffany's dad is uncomfortable telling her the backstory to that - it's notable that ''Discworld/{{Wintersmith}}'' onwards lack the "compact hardback" editions of previous YA Discworld novels, appearing more like the adult books).

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* ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' - funny fantasy by the guy who wrote kids' books like ''Literature/Bromeliad'' and ''Literature/JohnnyMaxwellTrilogy''? Well, ''maybe''. There probably isn't anything particularly scarring in there, and the language never gets worse than "shit" (and rarely above "bloody"), but [[Creator/TerryPratchett Sir Terry]] himself admitted to being perturbed when a class full of kids wrote him letters about ''Discworld/TheTruth'' and how much they liked the violent, would-be drug addict Mr Tulip. Of course, there are also ''Discworld'' novels that ''are'' aimed at kids: ''Discworld/TheAmazingMauriceAndHisEducatedRodents'' and the Tiffany Aching novels - although one might argue each Tiffany book isn't entirely suitable for kids younger than Tiffany at the time (''Discworld/IShallWearMidnight'' features mob justice for a child beater, and even in-story Tiffany's dad is uncomfortable telling her the backstory to that, as well as a being of pure hatred that poisons everyone against Tiffany - it's notable that ''Discworld/{{Wintersmith}}'' onwards lack the "compact hardback" editions of previous YA Discworld novels, appearing more like the adult books).
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