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24th Mar '18 1:08:48 PM boatman8
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*''Manga/D.Gray-man'' 's main theme is tragedy according to WordOfGod. It is aimed for kids but the villains' actions are too much. The main antagonist revives people but in the form of Akuma/demons who often make cannibalism to hide within society as humans that can eat other humans so that they can become stronger. The main character, Allen Walker, is often described as a gentleman but later in the series it is revealed he suffers from posttraumatic disorder following his guardian's death and revival as an Akuma. Other major characters also go through tragic backstories but it seems Allen takes the cake.
16th Mar '18 9:04:57 PM Pichu-kun
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* ''Anime/FullmetalAlchemist'' started off as a light-hearted shonen (ignoring the Elrics' backstory) with an [[MonsterOfTheWeek Antagonist of the Week]] popping up often until several episodes in. After [[spoiler:Nina's death]] the dark moments got more closer together and more frequent. By the mid-point it hit full CerebusSyndrome and by the end it resembled more of a seinen then a shonen.
** Though this is mostly for the 2003 anime. The manga and Brotherhood stays generally Shonen even with its dark moments.

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* ''Anime/FullmetalAlchemist'' started off as a light-hearted shonen (ignoring the Elrics' backstory) with an [[MonsterOfTheWeek Antagonist of the Week]] popping up often until several episodes in. After [[spoiler:Nina's death]] the dark moments got more closer together and more frequent. By the mid-point it hit full CerebusSyndrome and by the end it resembled more of a seinen then a shonen.
** Though this is mostly for the 2003 anime.
shonen. The manga [[Manga/FullmetalAlchemist manga]] and Brotherhood ''Brotherhood'', however, stays generally Shonen shonen even with its their dark moments.



* ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' is best known for its extremely graphic gore and murder scenes. Despite this its manga, which is BloodierAndGorier than the anime, was inexplicably aired in ''shonen'' magazines.

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* ''VisualNovel/HigurashiWhenTheyCry'' is best known for its extremely graphic gore and murder scenes. Despite this its manga, which is BloodierAndGorier than even the anime, was inexplicably aired in ''shonen'' magazines.



* ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' had the same treatment, the manga adaptations running in Shōnen Gangan, G-Fantasy and Gangan Online. In a weird inversion, the much LighterAndSofter extra stories of ''Umineko Tsubasa'' ran in Big Gangan, a Seinen magazine…



* ''Manga/HunterXHunter'', a series where almost Main/AnyoneCanDie and contains among other things a heart being torn out, beheadings, fights to the death and a floor being covered in fresh blood, and the series in general being rather graphic at times, the series is serialized on ''Weekly Shonen Jump''.
** Goes double for the Chimera Ant arc, which features BlackAndGrayMorality, bordering on BlackAndBlackMorality, along with much of the graphic violence described above, plus significant dismemberments, plots of genocide [[spoiler:(though neither side succeeds in this aim)]], disturbing imagery and themes left, right, and center, and even [[spoiler:nuclear apocalypse]] is depicted, though the last one isn't part of the arc's main focus.

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* ''Manga/HunterXHunter'', a series where almost Main/AnyoneCanDie and contains among other things a heart being torn out, beheadings, fights to the death and a floor being covered in fresh blood, and the series in general being rather graphic at times, the series is serialized on ''Weekly Shonen Jump''.
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Jump''. Goes double for the Chimera Ant arc, which features BlackAndGrayMorality, bordering on BlackAndBlackMorality, along with much of the graphic violence described above, plus significant dismemberments, plots of genocide [[spoiler:(though neither side succeeds in this aim)]], disturbing imagery and themes left, right, and center, and even [[spoiler:nuclear apocalypse]] is depicted, though the last one isn't part of the arc's main focus.



* ''Manga/{{Kinnikuman}}'' originally started out as a parody of Ultraman complete with action and comedy being somewhat expected of a Shonen manga. Then, the series shifted from being just a parody of superheroes to a series about ProfessionalWrestling. Despite the comedy remaining in the series, there was notably a lot more violence in the show. For one, the wrestling matches couldn't really be called matches anymore, as whenever someone won, it usually meant that they won via killing the other person, complete with FamilyUnfriendlyDeath for the defeated (One person actually got ''eaten alive'' by their opponent). Keep in mind that it was still considered a Shonen manga after the shift. The anime tried to tone down the violence, but a lot of it was still kept in.

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* ''Manga/{{Kinnikuman}}'' originally started out as a parody of Ultraman ''Ultraman'' complete with action and comedy being somewhat expected of a Shonen manga. Then, the series shifted from being just a parody of superheroes to a series about ProfessionalWrestling. Despite the comedy remaining in the series, there was notably a lot more violence in the show. For one, the wrestling matches couldn't really be called matches anymore, as whenever someone won, it usually meant that they won via killing the other person, complete with FamilyUnfriendlyDeath for the defeated (One person actually got ''eaten alive'' by their opponent). Keep in mind that it was still considered a Shonen manga after the shift. The anime tried to tone down the violence, but a lot of it was still kept in.



* ''Manga/{{Life}}'' may be a {{Shoujo}} manga however it's considerably more mature in nature than most shoujo. From the graphic nudity, sexual scenes, and gore...it's no wonder {{Creator/Tokyopop}} changed it from being for "Older Teens" to "Mature". One scene in volume 6 even involved showing two characters somewhat graphically having sex. It can easily be mistaken for a {{Josei}} manga.

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* ''Manga/{{Life}}'' may be a {{Shoujo}} manga however it's considerably more mature in nature than most shoujo. From the graphic nudity, sexual scenes, and gore... it's no wonder {{Creator/Tokyopop}} changed it from being for "Older Teens" to "Mature". One scene in volume 6 even involved showing two characters somewhat graphically having sex. It can easily be mistaken for a {{Josei}} manga.



* ''Manga/{{Pokemon}}''
** ''Manga/PokemonSpecial''. It is in fact classified as a ''kodomo''[[note]]children's[[/note]] manga. However, its strong sense of continuity and characterization, as well as frequent use of violence and even occasional deaths, has people convinced it's meant for an older crowd.
** Quite a few of the other manga too, either due to violence or {{Fanservice}}. ''Manga/PokemonDiamondAndPearlAdventure'' can be as violent as Special at times, and features dark themes like it, but can't be above {{Shonen}}. Of course, the main reason WHY it's classified as ''kodomo'' is because the manga are based off of a MerchandiseDriven children's video game.
** Creator/TakeshiShudo [[note]]The head writer for the anime from Kanto until Johto[[/note]] had originally wanted the show to be [[MultipleDemographicAppeal enjoyed by anyone]], not just kids, and it shows in most of the episodes written by him which noticeably clash in tone with a lot of the show's other, more lighthearted episodes. For example, ''[[Recap/PokemonS1E1PokemonIChooseYou the very first episode]]'' was a {{deconstruction}} of being a Pokémon trainer, and the Japanese version of ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie'' features a complex backstory for Mewtwo involving the ethics of cloning, among other things. ExecutiveMeddling prevented Shudo from using a lot of the [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar bonuses]] he'd intended to, and he ended up leaving because the show became overly kid-focused. Nonetheless, the anime still does get pretty dark at times, such as in the Hunter J arc of the [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Diamond and Pearl]] saga.
** The uncensored edition of ''Manga/TheElectricTaleOfPikachu'' is a ''Pokémon'' shonen manga but [[BleachedUnderpants the artwork was done by a hentai artist]], turning something that is a [[UpToEleven TY-Y show at first straight into a full on]] {{Ecchi}}. [[WorldOfBuxom All the characters have huge busts]] which are shown off frequently, most female characters show off [[AbsoluteCleavage lots of cleavage]] or {{Underboobs}}. There's also a bath scene where Misty is shown to start playing with her breasts such as groping herself so [[ACupAngst she could get them larger]] and this was just a scheme made by Ash so Ash could perv on her. Ash is also a LovableSexManiac. It also doesn't mind [[BloodierAndGorier hiding the brutality of Pokemon battles]] with a couple of fights sporting [[{{Gorn}} high amounts of blood]] including [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown the last battle]]. Needless to say, this uncensored version is very adult despite it being a ''Pokémon'' manga.

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* ''Manga/{{Pokemon}}''
''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}''
** ''Manga/PokemonSpecial''.''Manga/PokemonAdventures''. It is in fact classified as a ''kodomo''[[note]]children's[[/note]] manga. However, its strong sense of continuity and characterization, as well as frequent use of violence and even occasional deaths, has people convinced it's meant for an older crowd.
** Quite a few of the [[Manga/{{Pokemon}} other manga manga]] too, either due to violence or {{Fanservice}}. ''Manga/PokemonDiamondAndPearlAdventure'' can be as violent as Special ''Adventures'' at times, and features dark themes like it, but can't be above {{Shonen}}. Of course, the main reason WHY it's classified as ''kodomo'' is because the manga are based off of a MerchandiseDriven children's video game.
** Creator/TakeshiShudo [[note]]The head writer for the anime from Kanto until Johto[[/note]] had originally wanted [[Anime/{{Pokemon}} the show show]] to be [[MultipleDemographicAppeal enjoyed by anyone]], not just kids, and it shows in most of the episodes written by him which noticeably clash in tone with a lot of the show's other, more lighthearted episodes. For example, ''[[Recap/PokemonS1E1PokemonIChooseYou the very first episode]]'' was a {{deconstruction}} of being a Pokémon trainer, and the Japanese version of ''Anime/PokemonTheFirstMovie'' features a complex backstory for Mewtwo involving the ethics of cloning, among other things. ExecutiveMeddling prevented Shudo from using a lot of the [[GettingCrapPastTheRadar bonuses]] he'd intended to, and he ended up leaving because the show became overly kid-focused. Nonetheless, the anime still does get pretty dark at times, such as in the Hunter J arc of the [[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl ''[[VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl Diamond and Pearl]] Pearl]]'' saga.
** The uncensored edition of ''Manga/TheElectricTaleOfPikachu'' is a ''Pokémon'' shonen manga but [[BleachedUnderpants the artwork was done by a hentai artist]], turning something that is a [[UpToEleven TY-Y show at first straight into a full on]] {{Ecchi}}. [[WorldOfBuxom All the characters have huge busts]] which are shown off frequently, most female characters show off [[AbsoluteCleavage lots of cleavage]] or {{Underboobs}}. There's also a bath scene where Misty is shown to start playing with her breasts such as groping herself so [[ACupAngst she could get them larger]] and this was just a scheme made by Ash so Ash could perv on her. Ash is also a LovableSexManiac. It also doesn't mind [[BloodierAndGorier hiding the brutality of Pokemon Pokémon battles]] with a couple of fights sporting [[{{Gorn}} high amounts of blood]] including [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown the last battle]]. Needless to say, this uncensored version is very adult despite it being a ''Pokémon'' manga.



* The ''Manga/{{Splatoon}}'' manga is a wacky {{shonen|demographic}} GagSeries, and given ValuesDissonance, there's a lot of jokes and scenarios that just wouldn't fly in international markets -- NakedPeopleAreFunny, jokes about one's *ahem* eleventh tentacle, lewd references, and a scene where the main character pantses a rival, [[AssShove shoves the barrel of his Splattershot up his ass]], ''and pulls the trigger.'' Yeesh! Somehow, it defied NoExportForYou and made it to international shores--where it is, against all odds, marketed to the same demographic as in Japan.



* ''Anime/YokaiWatch'' has some really disturbing backstories for the characters, and has occasional swearing, despite its demographic.

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* ''VisualNovel/UminekoWhenTheyCry'' had the same treatment as its sister-series ''Higurashi'', with the manga adaptations running in Shōnen Gangan, G-Fantasy and Gangan Online. In a weird inversion, the much LighterAndSofter extra stories of ''Umineko Tsubasa'' ran in Big Gangan, a Seinen magazine…
* ''Anime/YokaiWatch'' has some really disturbing backstories for the characters, has a lot of GettingCrapPastTheRadar (even in the English dub), and has occasional swearing, despite its demographic.



* ''Manga/DamekkoDoubutsu'' is a SliceOfLife style anime/manga about animals (Humans wearing animal costumes Peter Pan style) [[RagTagBunchOfMisfits who are very different from what they are usually well-known for]]. [[SuperDeformed Despite the art style]],[[EarWorm upbeat opening]], [[SliceOfLife and laid back feeling]]. [[JerkAss Usahara]] one of the main characters, [[SmokingIsCool is a chain-smoker who is very agressive]]. There's also a Tobacco store, and Yunihiko is first seen drinking tons of alcohol which Usahara would later join in. Resulting in them getting drunk, and passing out in the process. Doesn't help that this aired on "Kids Station" which airs the majority of Japanese children's shows.
* The ''VideoGame/{{Splatoon}}'' manga is a wacky {{shonen|demographic}} GagSeries, and given ValuesDissonance, there's a lot of jokes and scenarios that just wouldn't fly in international markets -- NakedPeopleAreFunny, jokes about one's *ahem* eleventh tentacle, lewd references, and a scene where the main character pantses a rival, [[AssShove shoves the barrel of his Splattershot up his ass]], ''and pulls the trigger.'' Yeesh! Somehow, it defied NoExportForYou and made it to international shores--where it is, against all odds, marketed to the same demographic as in Japan.

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* ''Manga/DamekkoDoubutsu'' is a SliceOfLife style anime/manga about animals (Humans wearing animal costumes Peter Pan style) [[RagTagBunchOfMisfits who are very different from what they are usually well-known for]]. [[SuperDeformed Despite the art style]],[[EarWorm upbeat opening]], [[SliceOfLife and laid back feeling]]. [[JerkAss Usahara]] one of the main characters, [[SmokingIsCool is a chain-smoker who is very agressive]]. There's also a Tobacco store, and Yunihiko is first seen drinking tons of alcohol which Usahara would later join in. Resulting in them getting drunk, and passing out in the process. Doesn't help that this aired on "Kids Station" which airs the majority of Japanese children's shows.
* The ''VideoGame/{{Splatoon}}'' manga is a wacky {{shonen|demographic}} GagSeries, and given ValuesDissonance, there's a lot of jokes and scenarios that just wouldn't fly in international markets -- NakedPeopleAreFunny, jokes about one's *ahem* eleventh tentacle, lewd references, and a scene where the main character pantses a rival, [[AssShove shoves the barrel of his Splattershot up his ass]], ''and pulls the trigger.'' Yeesh! Somehow, it defied NoExportForYou and made it to international shores--where it is, against all odds, marketed to the same demographic as in Japan.
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15th Mar '18 9:48:03 PM UchuuFlamenco
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* ''Anime/YokaiWatch'' has some really disturbing backstories for the characters, and has occasional swearing, despite it's demographic.

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* ''Anime/YokaiWatch'' has some really disturbing backstories for the characters, and has occasional swearing, despite it's its demographic.
7th Mar '18 3:45:49 PM nombretomado
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* ''Manga/{{Devilman}}''. Yes, ''that'' Devilman. It ran in ''Weekly Shonen Magazine'' in 1972, and a few pages looks light-hearted with goofy-looking JapaneseDelinquents, right? No, violence, gore, and nudity abound, and has one of the most depressing DownerEnding in a Shonen series. ''Manga/ViolenceJack'' also qualify since it ran in 1973, with the same thing, but more sex and gore (until later parts were in a Seinen magazine). The former has a rather LighterAndSofter anime adaptation by ToeiAnimation (until the OVAs happen). ''Violence Jack'', not so much. Sequels to ''Devilman'' and ''Violence Jack'' are straight {{Seinen}}.

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* ''Manga/{{Devilman}}''. Yes, ''that'' Devilman. It ran in ''Weekly Shonen Magazine'' in 1972, and a few pages looks light-hearted with goofy-looking JapaneseDelinquents, right? No, violence, gore, and nudity abound, and has one of the most depressing DownerEnding in a Shonen series. ''Manga/ViolenceJack'' also qualify since it ran in 1973, with the same thing, but more sex and gore (until later parts were in a Seinen magazine). The former has a rather LighterAndSofter anime adaptation by ToeiAnimation Creator/ToeiAnimation (until the OVAs happen). ''Violence Jack'', not so much. Sequels to ''Devilman'' and ''Violence Jack'' are straight {{Seinen}}.
19th Feb '18 9:20:44 PM rjd1922
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* It can be argued that this {{trope}}, combined with ValuesDissonance, is why ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' (a.k.a., ''Case Closed!'') failed when it was broadcast on Creator/CartoonNetwork in the United States: it was too childish for '''[adult swim]''', yet too violent for Toonami. The aged animation style was the final nail in the coffin. In fact, this anime was aired during family hours in Japan. Complete with brutal murders; complex plots involving suicide, drugs and business dealings; and of course copious amounts of sexual tension. And apparently that's why it worked in the German language broadcast. Not only has the German dubbed run more than twice the episodes compared to the English, but those extra episodes run uncut in a children's block.

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* It can be argued that this {{trope}}, combined with ValuesDissonance, is why ''Manga/DetectiveConan'' (a.k.a., ''Case Closed!'') Closed'') failed when it was broadcast on Creator/CartoonNetwork in the United States: it was too childish for '''[adult swim]''', '''Creator/AdultSwim''', yet too violent for Toonami.Creator/{{Toonami}}. The aged animation style was the final nail in the coffin. In fact, this anime was aired during family hours in Japan. Complete with brutal murders; complex plots involving suicide, drugs and business dealings; and of course copious amounts of sexual tension. And apparently that's why it worked in the German language broadcast. Not only has the German dubbed run more than twice the episodes compared to the English, but those extra episodes run uncut in a children's block.
30th Jan '18 12:30:17 AM Midna
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* Manga/DamekkoDoubutsu is a SliceOfLife style anime/manga about animals (Humans wearing animal costumes Peter Pan style) [[RagTagBunchOfMisfits who are very different from what they are usually well-known for]]. [[SuperDeformed Despite the art style]],[[EarWorm upbeat opening]], [[SliceOfLife and laid back feeling]]. [[JerkAss Usahara]] one of the main characters, [[SmokingIsCool is a chain-smoker who is very agressive]]. There's also a Tobacco store, and Yunihiko is first seen drinking tons of alcohol which Usahara would later join in. Resulting in them getting drunk, and passing out in the process. Doesn't help that this aired on "Kids Station" which airs the majority of Japanese children's shows.

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* Manga/DamekkoDoubutsu ''Manga/DamekkoDoubutsu'' is a SliceOfLife style anime/manga about animals (Humans wearing animal costumes Peter Pan style) [[RagTagBunchOfMisfits who are very different from what they are usually well-known for]]. [[SuperDeformed Despite the art style]],[[EarWorm upbeat opening]], [[SliceOfLife and laid back feeling]]. [[JerkAss Usahara]] one of the main characters, [[SmokingIsCool is a chain-smoker who is very agressive]]. There's also a Tobacco store, and Yunihiko is first seen drinking tons of alcohol which Usahara would later join in. Resulting in them getting drunk, and passing out in the process. Doesn't help that this aired on "Kids Station" which airs the majority of Japanese children's shows.shows.
* The ''VideoGame/{{Splatoon}}'' manga is a wacky {{shonen|demographic}} GagSeries, and given ValuesDissonance, there's a lot of jokes and scenarios that just wouldn't fly in international markets -- NakedPeopleAreFunny, jokes about one's *ahem* eleventh tentacle, lewd references, and a scene where the main character pantses a rival, [[AssShove shoves the barrel of his Splattershot up his ass]], ''and pulls the trigger.'' Yeesh! Somehow, it defied NoExportForYou and made it to international shores--where it is, against all odds, marketed to the same demographic as in Japan.
29th Jan '18 11:55:54 AM HuntingHighandLow
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** Goes double for the Chimera Ant arc, which features BlackAndGrayMorality, bordering on BlackAndBlackMorality, along with much of the graphic violence described above, plus significant dismemberments, plots of genocide [[spoiler:(though neither side succeeds in this aim)]], disturbing imagery and themes left, right, and center, and even [[spoiler:nuclear apocalypse]] is depicted, though the last one isn't part of the arc's main focus.
27th Jan '18 4:58:51 PM nombretomado
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* ''Manga/{{Life}}'' may be a {{Shoujo}} manga however it's considerably more mature in nature than most shoujo. From the graphic nudity, sexual scenes, and gore...it's no wonder TokyoPop changed it from being for "Older Teens" to "Mature". One scene in volume 6 even involved showing two characters somewhat graphically having sex. It can easily be mistaken for a {{Josei}} manga.

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* ''Manga/{{Life}}'' may be a {{Shoujo}} manga however it's considerably more mature in nature than most shoujo. From the graphic nudity, sexual scenes, and gore...it's no wonder TokyoPop {{Creator/Tokyopop}} changed it from being for "Older Teens" to "Mature". One scene in volume 6 even involved showing two characters somewhat graphically having sex. It can easily be mistaken for a {{Josei}} manga.



* Like Kare First Love, ''Manga/{{Mars}}'' deals with very dark subject matters like suicide, sexual abuse and also has an explicit sex scene yet Creator/{{TokyoPop}} keeps the rating at Teen 13+.

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* Like Kare First Love, ''Manga/{{Mars}}'' deals with very dark subject matters like suicide, sexual abuse and also has an explicit sex scene yet Creator/{{TokyoPop}} Tokyopop keeps the rating at Teen 13+.
27th Jan '18 4:56:30 PM nombretomado
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* Like Kare First Love, ''Manga/{{Mars}}'' deals with very dark subject matters like suicide, sexual abuse and also has an explicit sex scene yet {{TokyoPop}} keeps the rating at Teen 13+.

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* Like Kare First Love, ''Manga/{{Mars}}'' deals with very dark subject matters like suicide, sexual abuse and also has an explicit sex scene yet {{TokyoPop}} Creator/{{TokyoPop}} keeps the rating at Teen 13+.
4th Jan '18 6:48:48 PM Gamermaster
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** ''Anime/PokemonGenerations'' features an in-universe version. AZ's history (which features a war and countless innocents being sacrificed to power a WeaponOfMassDestruction) is apparently treated as a children's fairy tale.
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