History WhatCouldHaveBeen / ComicBooks

24th Jun '16 12:09:20 PM merotoker
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* In an example of how ExecutiveMeddling and changes from an initial pitch [[TropesAreTools can be a good thing]], had Tony Isabella not pitched ''Comicbook/BlackLightning'', DC's first plan for their first black male superhero was to be the Black Bomber- a white supremacist ex- soldier who underwent an experiment that would turn him into a super-powered black man whenever the powers would activate. The two scripts that were completed were stated to be very embarrassing in plotline, with the basic formula being that the main character would transform to save someone in need, but after de-transforming, he'd react in disgust and racial slurs at the fact that he'd saved a black person. The main character would also have two girlfriends (a white woman and a black woman for each identity) who would be aware of his secret and transformations. After Tony Isabella read the scripts, he convinced editorial to reconsider, and was given the opportunity to pitch his superhero instead. However, in Creator/{{Dwayne McDuffie}}'s run of ''Justice League'', an alternate universe version of the League had a member named "Brown Bomber", as a MythologyGag to the above failed concept. He was depicted as a bald white man in a hoodie, and would transform into a super-powered black man but could only use his powers for an hour. But this appearance also underwent some revision by editorial: Originally, there was to be a punchline where Brown Bomber asked ComicBook/{{Vixen}} if he now could "use the N-word", to which Vixen would reply "No, you absolutely can't". The Brown Bomber's question was edited out when the issue made it to print, but Vixen's response wasn't, leading to what looked like an awkward beat panel beforehand and Vixen responding to nothing. [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rVlYmYabaos/TC5tyikpv5I/AAAAAAAAB0M/th44qRnkSWk/s1600/bomber+2.jpg Here is the edited version]]. It could vaguely be concluded that she is saying that he can't call his power "C.P.T.", although that barely makes more sense than her responding to nothing.

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* In an example of how ExecutiveMeddling and changes from an initial pitch [[TropesAreTools can be a good thing]], had Tony Isabella not pitched ''Comicbook/BlackLightning'', DC's first plan for their first black male superhero was to be the Black Bomber- a white supremacist ex- soldier who underwent an experiment that would turn him into a super-powered black man whenever the powers would activate. The two scripts that were completed were stated to be very embarrassing in plotline, with the basic formula being that the main character would transform to save someone in need, but after de-transforming, he'd react in disgust and racial slurs at the fact that he'd saved a black person. The main character would also have two girlfriends (a white woman and a black woman for each identity) who would be aware of his secret and transformations. After Tony Isabella read the scripts, he convinced editorial to reconsider, and was given the opportunity to pitch his superhero instead. However, in Creator/{{Dwayne McDuffie}}'s run of ''Justice League'', an alternate universe version of the League had a member named "Brown Bomber", as a MythologyGag to the above failed concept. He was depicted as a bald white man in a hoodie, and would transform into a super-powered black man but could only use his powers for an hour. But this appearance also underwent some revision by editorial: Originally, there was to be a punchline where Brown Bomber asked ComicBook/{{Vixen}} if [[NWordPrivileges he now could now "use the N-word", N-word"]] , to which Vixen would reply "No, you absolutely can't". The Brown Bomber's question was edited out when the issue made it to print, but Vixen's response wasn't, leading to what looked like an awkward beat panel beforehand and Vixen responding to nothing. [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_rVlYmYabaos/TC5tyikpv5I/AAAAAAAAB0M/th44qRnkSWk/s1600/bomber+2.jpg Here is the edited version]]. It could vaguely be concluded that she is saying that he can't call his power "C.P.T.", although that barely makes more sense than her responding to nothing.



* The original plan for ''The Kingdom'', whose final version was a sequel to ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', would have been a prequel or even an {{aversion}} of the series. According to Alex Ross, the story would have focused more on the civilian identities than the heroes themselves. Gog, Magog's precursor, would appear here and attempt to murder the New Gods before Magog would kill him. As well, Superman would have visions of the Joker murdering everyone in the Daily Planet and he would take steps to prevent it.

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* The original plan for ''The Kingdom'', whose final version was a sequel to ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', would have been a prequel or even an {{aversion}} {{aver|tedTrope}}sion of the series. According to Alex Ross, the story would have focused more on the civilian identities than the heroes themselves. Gog, Magog's precursor, would appear here and attempt to murder the New Gods before Magog would kill him. As well, Superman would have visions of the Joker murdering everyone in the Daily Planet and he would take steps to prevent it.



* Sarah Essen-Gordon nearly survived ''ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand''. The final big storyline before NML ended would of had SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker murder someone on the GCPD attempting to stop him from killing the babies he kidnapped. Both Harvey Bullock and Renee Montoya were chosen, but different writers fought for their survival. It wasn't until other writers noticed how, coincidentally, Sarah had been foreshadowing something big in her life that they used it to make her the SacrificialLamb for the story.

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* Sarah Essen-Gordon nearly survived ''ComicBook/BatmanNoMansLand''. The final big storyline before NML ended would of had SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker murder someone on the GCPD attempting to stop him from killing the babies he kidnapped. Both Harvey Bullock and Renee Montoya were chosen, but different writers fought for their survival. It wasn't until other writers noticed how, coincidentally, Sarah had been foreshadowing something big in her life that they used it to make her the SacrificialLamb for the story.



* Creator/LarryNiven wrote "The Green Lantern Bible", which would have established the PostCrisis history of the Green Lantern Corps, and would incorporate [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness hard science fiction]] concepts into the Green Lantern mythos. Some of the stuff would later appear in the 1992 one-shot "Ganthet's Tale" (co-written and drawn by John Byrne), and parts of the bible can be seen in his 1991 book, "Playgrounds of the Mind". One of Niven's proposals include making Guy Gardner an alien, which kind of happened (see below).

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* Creator/LarryNiven wrote "The Green Lantern Bible", which would have established the PostCrisis ComicBook/PostCrisis history of the Green Lantern Corps, and would incorporate [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness hard science fiction]] concepts into the Green Lantern mythos. Some of the stuff would later appear in the 1992 one-shot "Ganthet's Tale" (co-written and drawn by John Byrne), and parts of the bible can be seen in his 1991 book, "Playgrounds of the Mind". One of Niven's proposals include making Guy Gardner an alien, which kind of happened (see below).



* Creator/GenndyTartakovsky's [[http://worldofhurtonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Genndy-Tartakovskys-Luke-Cage.jpg Luke Cage]].

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* Creator/GenndyTartakovsky's [[http://worldofhurtonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/Genndy-Tartakovskys-Luke-Cage.jpg [[http://comicsalliance.com/genndy-tartakovsky-luke-cage-comic-interview/ Luke Cage]].



* There was an ''Comicbook/IronMan'' issue where Madame Masque was apparently [[KillAndReplace Killed And Replaced]] by a new woman who wanted the identity for herself. This famously set off a series of confusing developments, including multiple new Madame Masques appearing, as well as the debut of an Avengers ally named Masque. Creator/KurtBusiek finally {{Retcon}}ned the whole thing away by revealing that all of the women involved were clones of the real (and still-living) Madame Masque, but the original intention behind the story that started the mess was quite different. The idea was that Madame Masque's killer would have been revealed to be Rae [=LaCoste=], who was one of Tony's love interests at the time. Unfortunately, the plan to make her the new Madame Masque ended up as an AbortedArc, which led to all the confusing attempts to continue the story.

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* There was an ''Comicbook/IronMan'' issue where Madame Masque was apparently [[KillAndReplace Killed And Replaced]] killed and replaced]] by a new woman who wanted the identity for herself. This famously set off a series of confusing developments, including multiple new Madame Masques appearing, as well as the debut of an Avengers ally named Masque. Creator/KurtBusiek finally {{Retcon}}ned the whole thing away by revealing that all of the women involved were clones of the real (and still-living) Madame Masque, but the original intention behind the story that started the mess was quite different. The idea was that Madame Masque's killer would have been revealed to be Rae [=LaCoste=], who was one of Tony's love interests at the time. Unfortunately, the plan to make her the new Madame Masque ended up as an AbortedArc, which led to all the confusing attempts to continue the story.



* ''What If... The Fantastic Four had been defeated by the Dark Raider?'', [[http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/whatifdarkraider.htm 22 page story]] by Randy & Jean-Marc Lofficier, continuing the X-men as vampires universe in ''What If?'' Vol 2 #24 and ''What If?'' Vol 2 #37-39.

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* ''What If... The Fantastic Four had been defeated by the Dark Raider?'', [[http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/whatifdarkraider.htm 22 page story]] by Randy & Jean-Marc Lofficier, continuing the X-men X-Men as vampires universe in ''What If?'' Vol 2 #24 and ''What If?'' Vol 2 #37-39.



* Duncan Rosenblatt, the main character of ''Comicbook/{{Firebreather}}'', was originally conceived as a member of the Young Avengers. When plans fell through, his creator simply reused the concept at ImageComics. Had he been published by Marvel, Duncan's father would have been Fin Fang Foom.

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* Duncan Rosenblatt, the main character of ''Comicbook/{{Firebreather}}'', was originally conceived as a member of the Young Avengers. When plans fell through, his creator simply reused the concept at ImageComics.Creator/ImageComics. Had he been published by Marvel, Duncan's father would have been Fin Fang Foom.



** Len Wein, the original creator, has gone out his his way more than once to crush this rumor. While it was the idea of another writer to have Wolverine as a wolverine cub evolved by the High Evolutionary, Wein had no part in this plan. He had always envisioned him as a mutant. Other rejected backstories for Wolverine included a mutant rancher whose bones were crushed and were replaced with adamantium while he was bedridden in the hospital and having Sabretooth as his father.

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** Len Wein, the original creator, has gone out his of his way more than once to crush this rumor. While it was the idea of another writer to have Wolverine as a wolverine cub evolved by the High Evolutionary, Wein had no part in this plan. He had always envisioned him as a mutant. Other rejected backstories for Wolverine included a mutant rancher whose bones were crushed and were replaced with adamantium while he was bedridden in the hospital and having Sabretooth as his father.



* The legendary storyline ''ComicBook/KravensLastHunt'' was originally a story between ComicBook/WonderMan and his brother, the Grim Reaper. Marvel didn't like it, so it was sent to DC, repurposed as a storyline between Franchise/{{Batman}} and SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker. DC didn't like it either, so it was repurposed ''again'' as this.

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* The legendary storyline ''ComicBook/KravensLastHunt'' was originally a story between ComicBook/WonderMan and his brother, the Grim Reaper. Marvel didn't like it, so it was sent to DC, repurposed as a storyline between Franchise/{{Batman}} and SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker.ComicBook/TheJoker. DC didn't like it either, so it was repurposed ''again'' as this.



* A ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' comic written by Peter David was scrapped for being [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath too dark]]. It was supposed to be a backstory into what happened to Ariel's MissingMom. In ''Portrait Of Life'' Queen Atlanta befriended a [[InterspeciesFriendship human artist]] named Duncan. She would often pose for his portraits. A rival artist named Kole attempts to kill Duncan by setting off an avalanche however Atlanta pushes him out of the way, only to be [[HeroicSacrifice crushed herself]]. Triton goes into a rage at his wife's death, accidentally causes Kole to [[DisneyDeath fall off the cliff]], and attempts to kill Duncan but is stopped when he hears the voice of Atlanta telling him to spare Duncan. The comic [[DownerEnding ends]] with Triton leaving with an unfinished portrait of Atlanta. It wasn't until over a decade later that Creator/{{Disney}} gave an official backstory to Triton's wife. In ''Disney/TheLittleMermaidIII'' she is named "Athena" and died [[spoiler:rescuing her oldest daughter Attina from being hit by a ship.]]

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* A ''Disney/TheLittleMermaid'' comic written by Peter David was scrapped for being [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath too dark]]. It was supposed to be a backstory into what happened to Ariel's MissingMom. In ''Portrait Of Life'' Queen Atlanta befriended a [[InterspeciesFriendship human artist]] named Duncan. She would often pose for his portraits. A rival artist named Kole attempts to kill Duncan by setting off an avalanche however Atlanta pushes him out of the way, only to be [[HeroicSacrifice crushed herself]]. Triton goes into a rage at his wife's death, accidentally causes Kole to [[DisneyDeath fall off the cliff]], and attempts to kill Duncan but is stopped when he hears the voice of Atlanta telling him to spare Duncan. The comic [[DownerEnding ends]] with Triton leaving with an unfinished portrait of Atlanta. It wasn't until over a decade later that Creator/{{Disney}} gave an official backstory to Triton's wife. In ''Disney/TheLittleMermaidIII'' she is named "Athena" and died [[spoiler:rescuing her oldest daughter Attina from being hit by a ship.]]ship]].
19th Jun '16 9:39:00 AM comicwriter
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** Harry Osborn was originally going to be revealed as the mastermind behind the Clone Saga. The idea was that Gaunt, a mysterious armored villain that had menaced Spider-Man, was actually Harry, whose body had been ravaged and withered by the Goblin serum. Bob Harras vetoed the idea, as he thought Harry was a poor substitute for the real Green Goblin.
16th Jun '16 8:02:57 PM nombretomado
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* Waid had planned to use Kang as a major villain in his run, but due to Creator/KurtBusiek using the villain in ''The Avengers'', he ended up compromising by having Michael Korvac ''pretend'' to be Kang. Ironically, this was essentially recycling an idea Waid had planned when he was writing ''Ka-Zar'', where he'd wanted to have Korvac impersonate {{Thanos}}. When someone else called dibs on Korvac, he scrapped that plot point and used the real Thanos instead.

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* Waid had planned to use Kang as a major villain in his run, but due to Creator/KurtBusiek using the villain in ''The Avengers'', he ended up compromising by having Michael Korvac ''pretend'' to be Kang. Ironically, this was essentially recycling an idea Waid had planned when he was writing ''Ka-Zar'', where he'd wanted to have Korvac impersonate {{Thanos}}.ComicBook/{{Thanos}}. When someone else called dibs on Korvac, he scrapped that plot point and used the real Thanos instead.
7th Jun '16 5:51:03 AM SarcasmKid
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* When the ''DC You'' initiative was announced in 2015, there were two magic-based titles called ''Dark Universe'' and ''Mystic U'' included in the line-up. James Tynion IV and Ming Doyle were working on the former and reportedly left the title, and Alisa Kwitney was writing the latter. Aside from Tynion and Doyle leaving ''Dark Universe'', the only news on ''Mystic U'' was it got delayed and wouldn't be released in October 2015. Since October, no other news. It's entirely likely both books are officially dead.
3rd Jun '16 4:40:52 PM comicwriter
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* Banshee was originally going to be a woman, which explains why the character was named after a female spirit from Irish mythology. However, Stan Lee vetoed the idea because he thought it'd [[WouldntHitAGirl look bad for a group of young men to beat up a female villain]].
3rd Jun '16 6:45:34 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* Due to ExecutiveMeddling, the grand finale to Simon Furman's long-in-the-making saga for IDW's ''[[TheTransformersIDW Transformers]]'' comic series was cut from 12 issues down to 4. Readers therefore missed out on epic battles featuring big bruisers like [[PersonOfMassDestruction Sixshot]] and [[CombiningMecha Monstructor]], while the long-awaited confrontation between Optimus Prime and Nemesis Prime was reduced to a poorly-explained affair that lasted around three pages. It also resulted in many storylines and character arcs being shortened or even ruined. One character arc involved Sideswipe trying to get to Earth in order to save his brother Sunstreaker who had been kidnapped. The original ending had them being reunited and Sideswipe learning an important lesson, the new ending completely erases any potential brotherly relations between the two and Sideswipe learning the lesson that he [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop doesn't give two craps about his brother or any suffering he experiences]]. One wonders just how much action readers missed out on by the story being reduced to a third of its planned length.

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* Due to ExecutiveMeddling, the grand finale to Simon Furman's long-in-the-making saga for IDW's ''[[TheTransformersIDW ''[[ComicBook/TheTransformersIDW Transformers]]'' comic series was cut from 12 issues down to 4. Readers therefore missed out on epic battles featuring big bruisers like [[PersonOfMassDestruction Sixshot]] and [[CombiningMecha Monstructor]], while the long-awaited confrontation between Optimus Prime and Nemesis Prime was reduced to a poorly-explained affair that lasted around three pages. It also resulted in many storylines and character arcs being shortened or even ruined. One character arc involved Sideswipe trying to get to Earth in order to save his brother Sunstreaker who had been kidnapped. The original ending had them being reunited and Sideswipe learning an important lesson, the new ending completely erases any potential brotherly relations between the two and Sideswipe learning the lesson that he [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop doesn't give two craps about his brother or any suffering he experiences]]. One wonders just how much action readers missed out on by the story being reduced to a third of its planned length.
1st Jun '16 5:35:42 PM biznizz
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** He was later able to do his series, sans Cloonan, but tweaked from the original pitch.
7th May '16 10:17:24 PM Blazer
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* The original plan for ''The Kingdom'', whose final version was a sequel to ''ComicBook/KingdomCome'', would have been a prequel or even an {{aversion}} of the series. According to Alex Ross, the story would have focused more on the civilian identities than the heroes themselves. Gog, Magog's precursor, would appear here and attempt to murder the New Gods before Magog would kill him. As well, Superman would have visions of the Joker murdering everyone in the Daily Planet and he would take steps to prevent it.
18th Apr '16 11:01:37 PM JudasZala
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* Creator/LarryNiven wrote "The Green Lantern Bible", which would have established the PostCrisis history of the Green Lantern Corps. Some of the stuff would later appear in the 1992 one-shot "Ganthet's Tale" (co-written and drawn by John Byrne), and parts of the bible can be seen in his 1991 book, "Playgrounds of the Mind".

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* Creator/LarryNiven wrote "The Green Lantern Bible", which would have established the PostCrisis history of the Green Lantern Corps.Corps, and would incorporate [[MohsScaleOfScienceFictionHardness hard science fiction]] concepts into the Green Lantern mythos. Some of the stuff would later appear in the 1992 one-shot "Ganthet's Tale" (co-written and drawn by John Byrne), and parts of the bible can be seen in his 1991 book, "Playgrounds of the Mind". One of Niven's proposals include making Guy Gardner an alien, which kind of happened (see below).
18th Apr '16 10:00:41 PM JudasZala
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* Speaking of which, the original plan for the ''Justice League'' relaunch that eventually became ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueInternational'' was far different. After the failure of the Detroit-era Justice League, J.M. [=DeMatteis=] had wanted to bring back the iconic "Big 7" JLA roster roster from UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of ComicBooks}}, similar to what Creator/GrantMorrison ended up doing years later. However, he only ended up getting Batman and ComicBook/MartianManhunter since the other "Big 7" heroes were all off-limits at the time (Superman and Wonder Woman were in the process of being rebooted by John Byrne and George Perez, respectively). The unorthodox cast he eventually ended up with (Guy Gardner, Comicbook/BlueBeetle, Comicbook/BoosterGold, etc.) was basically a case of RealLifeWritesThePlot, rather than a conscious decision to focus on lesser known heroes. Also, the book was originally going to have a more serious tone, but co-writer Keith Giffen suggested that a comedic take on the League would help distinguish the book from the more serious titles of the 80's, like ''New Teen Titans'' and ''ComicBook/XMen''.

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* Speaking of which, the original plan for the ''Justice League'' relaunch that eventually became ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueInternational'' was far different. After the failure of the Detroit-era Justice League, J.M. [=DeMatteis=] had wanted to bring back the iconic "Big 7" JLA roster roster from UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of ComicBooks}}, similar to what Creator/GrantMorrison ended up doing years later. However, he only ended up getting Batman and ComicBook/MartianManhunter since the other "Big 7" heroes were all off-limits at the time (Superman (e.g., Superman and Wonder Woman were in the process of being rebooted by John Byrne and George Perez, respectively).respectively; The Flash (Wally West) having his own title; Hal Jordan was already helming ''The Green Lantern Corps'' series). The unorthodox cast he eventually ended up with (Guy Gardner, Comicbook/BlueBeetle, Comicbook/BoosterGold, etc.) was basically a case of RealLifeWritesThePlot, rather than a conscious decision to focus on lesser known heroes. Also, the book was originally going to have a more serious tone, but co-writer Keith Giffen suggested that a comedic take on the League would help distinguish the book from the more serious titles of the 80's, like ''New Teen Titans'' and ''ComicBook/XMen''.
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