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* Rise's Arrival to Inaba: She's a big celebrity, but decides to take a hiatus in a small town that has recently been hit with a series of murders.
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* Rise's Arrival to Inaba: She's a big celebrity, but decides to take a hiatus in a small town that has recently been hit with a series of murders.\\
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'''To Be Fair:''' Naoto pointed out that if she had installed security cameras and the kidnapper saw them, he'd know it was a trap. It's possible that she had her gun on her when she opened the door and let her guard down when she believed [[spoiler: he was just an ordinary delivery man]].\\
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'''To Be Fair:''' Naoto pointed out that if she had installed security cameras and the kidnapper saw them, he'd know it was a trap. It's possible that she had her gun on her when she opened the door and let her guard down when she believed [[spoiler: he was just an ordinary delivery man]].\\
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'''Instead:''' They just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.\\
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'''Instead:''' They just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.\\
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'''Instead:''' They just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
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'''Instead:''' They just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.\\
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'''Instead:''' She doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.
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'''Instead:''' She doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.\\
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'''Yet Another Thing You'd Expect:''' That somebody checked security footage to see what happened to Saki.
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'''Yet Another Thing You'd Expect:''' That somebody checked security footage to see what happened to Saki.\\
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'''Instead:''' She doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.
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'''Instead:''' She doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.identity.
'''To Be Fair:''' Naoto pointed out that if she had installed security cameras and the kidnapper saw them, he'd know it was a trap. It's possible that she had her gun on her when she opened the door and let her guard down when she believed [[spoiler: he was just an ordinary delivery man]].\\
* Rise's Arrival to Inaba: She's a big celebrity, but decides to take a hiatus in a small town that has recently been hit with a series of murders.
'''You'd Expect:''' That she'd have a bodyguard with her. Just because she's taking a hiatus doesn't mean the paparazzi and stalkers are.\\
'''Instead:''' She heads to Inaba with no security whatsoever.\\
* Saki's Murder: She is a minor and a potential witness to a murder.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' That her parents would have been present at the police station or at least have been called to pick her up.\\
'''If Not That:''' The police taking her home after her interrogation.\\
'''You'd Also Expect:''' That somebody would have asked [[spoiler: Adachi, the last person seen with her, what had happened and piece together that he was also at the Amagi Inn when Yamano disappeared]].\\
'''Yet Another Thing You'd Expect:''' That somebody checked security footage to see what happened to Saki.
'''Instead:''' None of those happen. The second murder occurred because of a [[PoliceAreUseless police force]] that would make [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Chief Wiggum]] facepalm.\\
'''To Be Fair:''' Naoto pointed out that if she had installed security cameras and the kidnapper saw them, he'd know it was a trap. It's possible that she had her gun on her when she opened the door and let her guard down when she believed [[spoiler: he was just an ordinary delivery man]].\\
* Rise's Arrival to Inaba: She's a big celebrity, but decides to take a hiatus in a small town that has recently been hit with a series of murders.
'''You'd Expect:''' That she'd have a bodyguard with her. Just because she's taking a hiatus doesn't mean the paparazzi and stalkers are.\\
'''Instead:''' She heads to Inaba with no security whatsoever.\\
* Saki's Murder: She is a minor and a potential witness to a murder.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' That her parents would have been present at the police station or at least have been called to pick her up.\\
'''If Not That:''' The police taking her home after her interrogation.\\
'''You'd Also Expect:''' That somebody would have asked [[spoiler: Adachi, the last person seen with her, what had happened and piece together that he was also at the Amagi Inn when Yamano disappeared]].\\
'''Yet Another Thing You'd Expect:''' That somebody checked security footage to see what happened to Saki.
'''Instead:''' None of those happen. The second murder occurred because of a [[PoliceAreUseless police force]] that would make [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Chief Wiggum]] facepalm.\\
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* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls get pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and start throwing buckets at them. After they leave, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule. (More of a "What a dick" moment).\\
'''You'd Expect:''' The girls to apologize and give the boys the spring, considering it's their turn.\\
'''Instead:''' They just keep this to themselves, and ''outright laugh about screwing them over''.
** Another one in the Amagi Inn: the boys plan to sleep with the girls as revenge for what happened at the hot springs. Earlier on, they found out that Yukiko has talismans on their room, which explains their misery over the events of their stay.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For them to do a sweep of the room, searching for additional talismans and checking to see if the room they got into is where the girls are sleeping at.\\
'''Instead:''' They just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
* Yet another one in the Amagi Inn ([[DethroningMoment/{{Persona}} You see a pattern here]]?): So, the boys got kicked out of the Hot Spring even though it was their turn.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' The girls to apologize and give the boys the spring, considering it's their turn.\\
'''Instead:''' They just keep this to themselves, and ''outright laugh about screwing them over''.
** Another one in the Amagi Inn: the boys plan to sleep with the girls as revenge for what happened at the hot springs. Earlier on, they found out that Yukiko has talismans on their room, which explains their misery over the events of their stay.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For them to do a sweep of the room, searching for additional talismans and checking to see if the room they got into is where the girls are sleeping at.\\
'''Instead:''' They just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
* Yet another one in the Amagi Inn ([[DethroningMoment/{{Persona}} You see a pattern here]]?): So, the boys got kicked out of the Hot Spring even though it was their turn.\\
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* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls get pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and start throwing buckets at them. After they leave, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule. (More of a "What a dick" moment).\\
'''You'd Expect:''' The girls to apologize and give the boys the spring, considering it's their turn.\\
'''Instead:''' They just keep this to themselves, and ''outright laugh about screwing them over''.
** Another oneOne in the Amagi Inn: the boys plan to sleep with the girls as revenge for what happened at the hot springs. Earlier on, they found out that Yukiko has talismans on their room, which explains their misery over the events of their stay.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For them to do a sweep of the room, searching for additional talismans and checking to see if the room they got into is where the girls are sleeping at.\\
'''Instead:''' They just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
* Yet another one in the Amagi Inn ([[DethroningMoment/{{Persona}} You see a pattern here]]?):So, the boys got kicked out of the Hot Spring even though it was their turn.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' The girls to apologize and give the boys the spring, considering it's their turn.\\
'''Instead:''' They just keep this to themselves, and ''outright laugh about screwing them over''.
** Another one
'''You'd Expect:''' For them to do a sweep of the room, searching for additional talismans and checking to see if the room they got into is where the girls are sleeping at.\\
'''Instead:''' They just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
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* Another one in the Amagi Inn: the boys plan to sleep with the girls as revenge for what happened at the hot springs. Earlier on, they found out that Yukiko has talismans on their room, which explains their misery over the events of their stay.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' For them to do a sweep of the room, searching for additional talismans and checking to see if the room they got into is where the girls are sleeping at.\\
'''Instead:''' They just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
'''You'd Expect:''' For them to do a sweep of the room, searching for additional talismans and checking to see if the room they got into is where the girls are sleeping at.\\
'''Instead:''' They just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
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'''You'd expect''' Dojima to watch his own family, the only people who could possibly classify as "close to [the player character]", while learning the truth about what's going on from his nephew.\\
'''Instead''' Dojima admittedly tries the latter... By taking his nephew in to the police station, thereby taking in for interrogation the only person he knows could logically not only not be the murderer, but may well be the only one who can ''stop'' the murders. During this, he leaves his daughter Nanako home alone... As in a person who perfectly fits the bill for who the murderer is going to target. Naturally, while the two are in the police station, Nanako is kidnapped by the murderer, who is quickly identified as somebody who is quite evidently not Dojima's nephew.\\
'''And Even Worse''' one of the options you ''do'' get is the ability to come clean and tell Dojima about your ability to go into the world behind the TV. He quite naturally doesn't believe you, and in fact becomes even ''more'' suspicious now that you have, in his mind, confirmed that you are lying to him. Too bad there isn't a TV ''right there in the room'' that the MC could walk over to and, I don't know, just stick his hand into to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is telling the truth about the murders. Oh. Wait. There ''freaking is''!
'''Instead''' Dojima admittedly tries the latter... By taking his nephew in to the police station, thereby taking in for interrogation the only person he knows could logically not only not be the murderer, but may well be the only one who can ''stop'' the murders. During this, he leaves his daughter Nanako home alone... As in a person who perfectly fits the bill for who the murderer is going to target. Naturally, while the two are in the police station, Nanako is kidnapped by the murderer, who is quickly identified as somebody who is quite evidently not Dojima's nephew.\\
'''And Even Worse''' one of the options you ''do'' get is the ability to come clean and tell Dojima about your ability to go into the world behind the TV. He quite naturally doesn't believe you, and in fact becomes even ''more'' suspicious now that you have, in his mind, confirmed that you are lying to him. Too bad there isn't a TV ''right there in the room'' that the MC could walk over to and, I don't know, just stick his hand into to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is telling the truth about the murders. Oh. Wait. There ''freaking is''!
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'''You'd expect''' expect:''' Dojima to watch his own family, the only people who could possibly classify as "close to [the player character]", while learning the truth about what's going on from his nephew.\\
'''Instead''' '''Instead:''' Dojima admittedly tries the latter... By taking his nephew in to the police station, thereby taking in for interrogation the only person he knows could logically not only not be the murderer, but may well be the only one who can ''stop'' the murders. During this, he leaves his daughter Nanako home alone... As in a person who perfectly fits the bill for who the murderer is going to target. Naturally, while the two are in the police station, Nanako is kidnapped by the murderer, who is quickly identified as somebody who is quite evidently not Dojima's nephew.\\
'''And EvenWorse''' one Worse:''' One of the options you ''do'' get is the ability to come clean and tell Dojima about your ability to go into the world behind the TV. He quite naturally doesn't believe you, and in fact becomes even ''more'' suspicious now that you have, in his mind, confirmed that you are lying to him. Too bad there isn't a TV ''right there in the room'' that the MC could walk over to and, I don't know, just stick his hand into to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is telling the truth about the murders. Oh. Wait. There ''freaking is''!
'''And Even
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'''You'd Expect''' that he would do some sort of reconnaissance as to this new place, as even a cursory glance will reveal that it is ''infested with monsters'' and generally not a happy place. Or at least that he'd check up on the people he kidnapped.\\
'''Instead''', he just chucks them in there and does nothing else, meaning that your party has to go in and rescue them. Admittedly, the first victim he personally throws in is also the first victim you manage to save, so as far as he knows he ''really is'' saving them this way -- but it's a complete coincidence, and had this coincidence not come to pass, he'd have been personally and primarily responsible for Yukiko's death.
'''Instead''', he just chucks them in there and does nothing else, meaning that your party has to go in and rescue them. Admittedly, the first victim he personally throws in is also the first victim you manage to save, so as far as he knows he ''really is'' saving them this way -- but it's a complete coincidence, and had this coincidence not come to pass, he'd have been personally and primarily responsible for Yukiko's death.
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'''You'd Expect''' that he would Expect:''' For him to do some sort of reconnaissance as to in this new place, as even a cursory glance will reveal that it is ''infested with monsters'' and generally not a happy place. Or at least that he'd check up on the people he kidnapped.\\
'''Instead''', he '''Instead:''' He just chucks them in there and does nothing else, meaning that your party has to go in and rescue them. Admittedly, the first victim he personally throws in is also the first victim you manage to save, so as far as he knows he ''really is'' saving them this way -- but it's a complete coincidence, and had this coincidence not come to pass, he'd have been personally and primarily responsible for Yukiko's death.
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'''You'd Expect''' Chie should know that Yosuke is not in love with her and goes along with him to get Kanji not to know they're following him.\\
'''Instead''' she just [[HeIsNotMyBoyfriend denies this]]. It doesn't take a while for them to run away, leading Kanji to discover that they're following him. [[Webcomic/{{Hiimdaisy}} And then there was a wacky chase scene. ("NOOO COME BACK I LOVE GIIIIRLS!!")]]
'''Instead''' she just [[HeIsNotMyBoyfriend denies this]]. It doesn't take a while for them to run away, leading Kanji to discover that they're following him. [[Webcomic/{{Hiimdaisy}} And then there was a wacky chase scene. ("NOOO COME BACK I LOVE GIIIIRLS!!")]]
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'''You'd Expect''' Expect:''' For Chie should to know that Yosuke is not in love with her and goes go along with him to get Kanji not to know they're following him.\\
'''Instead''' she '''Instead:''' She just [[HeIsNotMyBoyfriend denies this]]. It doesn't take a while for them to When they panic and run away, leading Kanji to discover quickly realizes that they're following him. [[Webcomic/{{Hiimdaisy}} And then there was a wacky chase scene. ("NOOO COME BACK I LOVE GIIIIRLS!!")]]
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'''You'd Expect''' knowing fully well that she has a short temper with him, Yosuke has to remain calm and give it to Chie without saying he did something to it, then walk away calmly afterwards.\\
'''Instead''' he just give her the DVD in a panic and tries to run away. It doesn't take a while for her to pursue him and [[GroinAttack give him a critical hit to the nads]].
* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls get pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and start throwing buckets at them. By the time they left, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule. (More of a "What a dick" moment).\\
'''You'd Expect''' the girls should give the boys the chance, considering it's their turn.\\
'''Instead''' they just keep this quiet to themselves, and ''not give them the chance''. They don't even apologize for the misunderstanding.
** Another one in the Amagi Inn: the boys planned to sleep with the girls as revenge for what happened at the hot springs. Earlier on, they found out that Yukiko has talismans on their room, which explains of their misery over the events of their stay.\\
'''You'd Expect''' they do a sweep of the room, searching for additional talismans and checking to see if the room they got into is where the girls are sleeping at.\\
'''Instead''' they just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
'''Instead''' he just give her the DVD in a panic and tries to run away. It doesn't take a while for her to pursue him and [[GroinAttack give him a critical hit to the nads]].
* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls get pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and start throwing buckets at them. By the time they left, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule. (More of a "What a dick" moment).\\
'''You'd Expect''' the girls should give the boys the chance, considering it's their turn.\\
'''Instead''' they just keep this quiet to themselves, and ''not give them the chance''. They don't even apologize for the misunderstanding.
** Another one in the Amagi Inn: the boys planned to sleep with the girls as revenge for what happened at the hot springs. Earlier on, they found out that Yukiko has talismans on their room, which explains of their misery over the events of their stay.\\
'''You'd Expect''' they do a sweep of the room, searching for additional talismans and checking to see if the room they got into is where the girls are sleeping at.\\
'''Instead''' they just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
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'''You'd Expect''' knowing Expect:''' Knowing fully well that she has a short temper with him, for Yosuke has to remain calm and give it to Chie without saying he did something to it, then walk away calmly afterwards.\\
'''Instead''' he '''Instead:''' He just give gives her the DVD in a panic and tries to run away. It doesn't take a while for her to pursue Three seconds later, she pursues him and [[GroinAttack give gives him a critical hit to the nads]].
* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls get pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and start throwing buckets at them.By the time After they left, leave, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule. (More of a "What a dick" moment).\\
'''You'dExpect''' the Expect:''' The girls should to apologize and give the boys the chance, spring, considering it's their turn.\\
'''Instead''' they '''Instead:''' They just keep this quiet to themselves, and ''not give ''outright laugh about screwing them the chance''. They don't even apologize for the misunderstanding.
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** Another one in the Amagi Inn: the boysplanned plan to sleep with the girls as revenge for what happened at the hot springs. Earlier on, they found out that Yukiko has talismans on their room, which explains of their misery over the events of their stay.\\
'''You'dExpect''' they Expect:''' For them to do a sweep of the room, searching for additional talismans and checking to see if the room they got into is where the girls are sleeping at.\\
'''Instead''' they '''Instead:''' They just sneak into a dark room & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls get pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and start throwing buckets at them.
'''You'd
** Another one in the Amagi Inn: the boys
'''You'd
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'''You'd Expect''' the boys to report the incident to the staff at the Amagi Inn.\\
'''Instead''', the boys try to get back at the girls by sneaking in their room, causing more hillarity to ensue.
'''Instead''', the boys try to get back at the girls by sneaking in their room, causing more hillarity to ensue.
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'''You'd Expect''' Expect:''' For the boys to report the incident to the staff at the Amagi Inn.\\
'''Instead''', the '''Instead:''' The boys try to get back at the girls by sneaking in their room, causing more hillarity hilarity to ensue.
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'''You'd Expect''' that she install cameras and keep her gun with her in order to be able to defeat the culprit or at least catch his face.\\
'''Instead''' she doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.
'''Instead''' she doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.
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'''You'd Expect''' that Expect:''' That she install cameras and keep her gun with her in order to be able to defeat the culprit or at least catch his face.\\
'''Instead''' she '''Instead:''' She doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.
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->''"Are you a pack of imbeciles!?"''
-->-- '''Naoto Shirogane'''
-->-- '''Naoto Shirogane'''
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'''Instead''' she just [[HeIsNotMyBoyfriend denies this]]. It doesn't take a while for them to run away, leading Kanji to discover that they're following him. [[{{Hiimdaisy}} And then there was a wacky chase scene. ("NOOO COME BACK I LOVE GIIIIRLS!!")]]
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'''Instead''' she just [[HeIsNotMyBoyfriend denies this]]. It doesn't take a while for them to run away, leading Kanji to discover that they're following him. [[{{Hiimdaisy}} [[Webcomic/{{Hiimdaisy}} And then there was a wacky chase scene. ("NOOO COME BACK I LOVE GIIIIRLS!!")]]
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First, Chie's clearly exhausted, and as Yosuke points out, they don't know how much farther they have to go before they reach Yukiko (and they're only on the second floor out of eight). Second, the pattern was clearly established with the previous two murders, and Yosuke and Chie are technically the exceptions, as people who entered the TV on their own will. As such, leaving for the moment is the more prudent option.
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'''Instead''' she doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.
* Chie, after running ahead in Yukiko's castle, has to be saved from her murderous Shadow Self after denying it. After she gains her Persona, Teddie tries to help them see the sense of going back for now by saying that since the shadows attack when the fog lifts, Yukiko isn't in any serious danger.\\
'''You'd Expect''' first of all, for this to not even happen, but that aside, for everyone involved to realize that that is ''complete and utter bullshit'' given what ''literally just happened to Chie''. She is proof that when your shadow self emerges, you are in grave danger no matter what the weather's like, as it was sunny that day.\\
'''Even Worse''', you would think that would make them even more hasty to get Yukiko out that very day, as they have ''already seen Yukiko's shadow self on the television''.\\
'''Instead''' nobody sees anything at all wrong with this plan.\\
'''Granted''', this is probably the only thing the designers could think of to excuse the game mechanic of allowing a given amount of time for individuals to be rescued--but that's still sloppy.
* Chie, after running ahead in Yukiko's castle, has to be saved from her murderous Shadow Self after denying it. After she gains her Persona, Teddie tries to help them see the sense of going back for now by saying that since the shadows attack when the fog lifts, Yukiko isn't in any serious danger.\\
'''You'd Expect''' first of all, for this to not even happen, but that aside, for everyone involved to realize that that is ''complete and utter bullshit'' given what ''literally just happened to Chie''. She is proof that when your shadow self emerges, you are in grave danger no matter what the weather's like, as it was sunny that day.\\
'''Even Worse''', you would think that would make them even more hasty to get Yukiko out that very day, as they have ''already seen Yukiko's shadow self on the television''.\\
'''Instead''' nobody sees anything at all wrong with this plan.\\
'''Granted''', this is probably the only thing the designers could think of to excuse the game mechanic of allowing a given amount of time for individuals to be rescued--but that's still sloppy.
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'''Instead''' she doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.
* Chie, after running ahead in Yukiko's castle, has to be saved from her murderous Shadow Self after denying it. After she gains her Persona, Teddie tries to help them see the sense of going back for now by saying that since the shadows attack when the fog lifts, Yukiko isn't in any serious danger.\\
'''You'd Expect''' first of all, for this to not even happen, but that aside, for everyone involved to realize that that is ''complete and utter bullshit'' given what ''literally just happened to Chie''. She is proof that when your shadow self emerges, you are in grave danger no matter what the weather's like, as it was sunny that day.\\
'''Even Worse''', you would think that would make them even more hasty to get Yukiko out that very day, as they have ''already seen Yukiko's shadow self on the television''.\\
'''Instead''' nobody sees anything at all wrong with this plan.\\
'''Granted''', this is probably the only thing the designers could think of to excuse the game mechanic of allowing a given amount of time for individuals to be rescued--but that's still sloppy.identity.
* Chie, after running ahead in Yukiko's castle, has to be saved from her murderous Shadow Self after denying it. After she gains her Persona, Teddie tries to help them see the sense of going back for now by saying that since the shadows attack when the fog lifts, Yukiko isn't in any serious danger.\\
'''You'd Expect''' first of all, for this to not even happen, but that aside, for everyone involved to realize that that is ''complete and utter bullshit'' given what ''literally just happened to Chie''. She is proof that when your shadow self emerges, you are in grave danger no matter what the weather's like, as it was sunny that day.\\
'''Even Worse''', you would think that would make them even more hasty to get Yukiko out that very day, as they have ''already seen Yukiko's shadow self on the television''.\\
'''Instead''' nobody sees anything at all wrong with this plan.\\
'''Granted''', this is probably the only thing the designers could think of to excuse the game mechanic of allowing a given amount of time for individuals to be rescued--but that's still sloppy.
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* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls get pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and start throwing buckets at them. By the time they left, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule. (More of a "What a dick" moment)\\
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* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls get pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and start throwing buckets at them. By the time they left, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule. (More of a "What a dick" moment)\\ moment).\\
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* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls get pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and start throwing buckets at them. By the time they left, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule.\\
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* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls get pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and start throwing buckets at them. By the time they left, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule.\\ (More of a "What a dick" moment)\\
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* Yet another one in the Amagi Inn ([[DethroningMoment/{{Persona}} You see a pattern here]]?): So, the boys got kicked out of the Hot Spring even though it was their turn.
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* Yet another one in the Amagi Inn ([[DethroningMoment/{{Persona}} You see a pattern here]]?): So, the boys got kicked out of the Hot Spring even though it was their turn.\\
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'''Instead''', the boys try to get back at the girls by sneaking in their room, causing more hillarity to ensue.\\
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'''Instead''', the boys try to get back at the girls by sneaking in their room, causing more hillarity to ensue.\\
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* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls gets pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and started throwing buckets at them. By the time they left, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule.\\
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* In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls gets get pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and started start throwing buckets at them. By the time they left, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule.\\
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'''Instead''' she just [[HeIsNotMyBoyfriend denies of this]]. It doesn't take a while for them to run away, leading Kanji to discover that they're following him. [[{{Hiimdaisy}} And then there was a wacky chase scene. ("NOOO COME BACK I LOVE GIIIIRLS!!")]]
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'''Instead''' she just [[HeIsNotMyBoyfriend denies of this]]. It doesn't take a while for them to run away, leading Kanji to discover that they're following him. [[{{Hiimdaisy}} And then there was a wacky chase scene. ("NOOO COME BACK I LOVE GIIIIRLS!!")]]
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* Chie, after running ahead in Yukiko's castle, has to be saved from her murderous Shadow Self after denying it. After she gains her Persona, Teddie tries to help them see the sense of going back for now by saying that since the shadows attack when the fog lifts, Yukiko isn't in any serious danger.
'''You'd Expect''' first of all, for this to not even happen, but that aside, for everyone involved to realize that that is ''complete and utter bullshit'' given what ''literally just happened to Chie''. She is proof that when your shadow self emerges, you are in grave danger no matter what the weather's like, as it was sunny that day.
'''Even Worse''', you would think that would make them even more hasty to get Yukiko out that very day, as they have ''already seen Yukiko's shadow self on the television''.
'''Instead''' nobody sees anything at all wrong with this plan.
'''You'd Expect''' first of all, for this to not even happen, but that aside, for everyone involved to realize that that is ''complete and utter bullshit'' given what ''literally just happened to Chie''. She is proof that when your shadow self emerges, you are in grave danger no matter what the weather's like, as it was sunny that day.
'''Even Worse''', you would think that would make them even more hasty to get Yukiko out that very day, as they have ''already seen Yukiko's shadow self on the television''.
'''Instead''' nobody sees anything at all wrong with this plan.
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* Chie, after running ahead in Yukiko's castle, has to be saved from her murderous Shadow Self after denying it. After she gains her Persona, Teddie tries to help them see the sense of going back for now by saying that since the shadows attack when the fog lifts, Yukiko isn't in any serious danger.
danger.\\
'''You'd Expect''' first of all, for this to not even happen, but that aside, for everyone involved to realize that that is ''complete and utter bullshit'' given what ''literally just happened to Chie''. She is proof that when your shadow self emerges, you are in grave danger no matter what the weather's like, as it was sunny thatday.
day.\\
'''Even Worse''', you would think that would make them even more hasty to get Yukiko out that very day, as they have ''already seen Yukiko's shadow self on thetelevision''.
television''.\\
'''Instead''' nobody sees anything at all wrong with this plan.\\
'''You'd Expect''' first of all, for this to not even happen, but that aside, for everyone involved to realize that that is ''complete and utter bullshit'' given what ''literally just happened to Chie''. She is proof that when your shadow self emerges, you are in grave danger no matter what the weather's like, as it was sunny that
'''Even Worse''', you would think that would make them even more hasty to get Yukiko out that very day, as they have ''already seen Yukiko's shadow self on the
'''Instead''' nobody sees anything at all wrong with this plan.\\
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'''Instead''' she doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.
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'''Instead''' she doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.identity.
* Chie, after running ahead in Yukiko's castle, has to be saved from her murderous Shadow Self after denying it. After she gains her Persona, Teddie tries to help them see the sense of going back for now by saying that since the shadows attack when the fog lifts, Yukiko isn't in any serious danger.
'''You'd Expect''' first of all, for this to not even happen, but that aside, for everyone involved to realize that that is ''complete and utter bullshit'' given what ''literally just happened to Chie''. She is proof that when your shadow self emerges, you are in grave danger no matter what the weather's like, as it was sunny that day.
'''Even Worse''', you would think that would make them even more hasty to get Yukiko out that very day, as they have ''already seen Yukiko's shadow self on the television''.
'''Instead''' nobody sees anything at all wrong with this plan.
'''Granted''', this is probably the only thing the designers could think of to excuse the game mechanic of allowing a given amount of time for individuals to be rescued--but that's still sloppy.
* Chie, after running ahead in Yukiko's castle, has to be saved from her murderous Shadow Self after denying it. After she gains her Persona, Teddie tries to help them see the sense of going back for now by saying that since the shadows attack when the fog lifts, Yukiko isn't in any serious danger.
'''You'd Expect''' first of all, for this to not even happen, but that aside, for everyone involved to realize that that is ''complete and utter bullshit'' given what ''literally just happened to Chie''. She is proof that when your shadow self emerges, you are in grave danger no matter what the weather's like, as it was sunny that day.
'''Even Worse''', you would think that would make them even more hasty to get Yukiko out that very day, as they have ''already seen Yukiko's shadow self on the television''.
'''Instead''' nobody sees anything at all wrong with this plan.
'''Granted''', this is probably the only thing the designers could think of to excuse the game mechanic of allowing a given amount of time for individuals to be rescued--but that's still sloppy.
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** Yet another one in the Amagi Inn ([[DethroningMoment/{{Persona}} You see a pattern here]]?): So, the boys got kicked out of the Hot Spring even though it was their turn.
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'''You'd Expect''' the boys to report the incident to the staff at the Amagi Inn.
'''Instead''', the boys try to get back at the girls by sneaking in their room, causing more hillarity to ensue.
'''Instead''', the boys try to get back at the girls by sneaking in their room, causing more hillarity to ensue.
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'''You'd Expect''' the boys to report the incident to the staff at the Amagi Inn.
Inn.\\
'''Instead''', the boys try to get back at the girls by sneaking in their room, causing more hillarity to ensue.\\
'''Instead''', the boys try to get back at the girls by sneaking in their room, causing more hillarity to ensue.\\
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*** Yet another one in the Amagi Inn ([[DethroningMoment/Persona You see a pattern here]]?): So, the boys got kicked out of the Hot Spring even though it was their turn.
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*** Yet another one in the Amagi Inn ([[DethroningMoment/Persona You see a pattern here]]?): So, the boys got kicked out of the Hot Spring even though it was their turn.
'''You'd Expect''' the boys to report the incident to the staff at the Amagi Inn.
'''Instead''', the boys try to get back at the girls by sneaking in their room, causing more hillarity to ensue.
'''You'd Expect''' the boys to report the incident to the staff at the Amagi Inn.
'''Instead''', the boys try to get back at the girls by sneaking in their room, causing more hillarity to ensue.
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* Naoto comes up with a plan to catch the killer: she noticed that the victims tend to be people who appear on TV specials, so she agrees to an interview in order to bait the culprit into targeting her.
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* Naoto comes up with a plan to catch the killer: she noticed that the victims tend to be people who appear on TV specials, so she agrees to an interview in order to bait the culprit into targeting her.\\
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** Dojima, the player character's uncle, finds a letter addressed to said character from a serial killer who's had the local police department tied up for the whole game. This letter telling him, basically, that if he rescues any more people then somebody close to him will die.\\
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** Yosuke and Chie are stalking Kanji in order to get answers from him. Because they left the tree and their loud talking, he spotted them. To make a distraction, Yosuke claims that he and Chie are just two crazy lovebirds.\\
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** In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls gets pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and started throwing buckets at them. By the time they left, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule.\\
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*Naoto comes up with a plan to catch the killer: she noticed that the victims tend to be people who appear on TV specials, so she agrees to an interview in order to bait the culprit into targeting her.
'''You'd Expect''' that she install cameras and keep her gun with her in order to be able to defeat the culprit or at least catch his face.\\
'''Instead''' she doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.
'''You'd Expect''' that she install cameras and keep her gun with her in order to be able to defeat the culprit or at least catch his face.\\
'''Instead''' she doesn't do anything in preparation for her showdown with a serial kidnapper/murderer, and when the culprit rings her doorbell, he has no more problem kidnapping her than he had the others. Her plan turns out to be completely pointless and does not reveal anything about the killer's identity.
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* ''{{Persona 4}}'':
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* ''{{Persona ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'':
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'''Instead''', he just chucks them in there and does nothing else, meaning that your party has to go in and rescue them.
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'''Instead''', he just chucks them in there and does nothing else, meaning that your party has to go in and rescue them. Admittedly, the first victim he personally throws in is also the first victim you manage to save, so as far as he knows he ''really is'' saving them this way -- but it's a complete coincidence, and had this coincidence not come to pass, he'd have been personally and primarily responsible for Yukiko's death.
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'''Instead''' they just keep this quiet to themselves, and ''not give them the chance''. They don't even apologize on that part.\\
'''Let's just face it''' the girls really [[KarmaHoudini got away on this one]].
'''Let's just face it''' the girls really [[KarmaHoudini got away on this one]].
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'''Instead''' they just keep this quiet to themselves, and ''not give them the chance''. They don't even apologize on that part.\\
'''Let's just face it'''for the girls really [[KarmaHoudini got away on this one]].misunderstanding.
'''Let's just face it'''
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'''Instead''' they just sleep into a dark room they got into. As soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
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'''Instead''' they just sleep sneak into a dark room they got into. As & as soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
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** Dojima, the player character's uncle, finds a letter addressed to said character from a serial killer who's had the local police department tied up for the whole game. This letter telling him, basically, that if he rescues any more people then somebody close to him will die.\\
'''You'd expect''' Dojima to watch his own family, the only people who could possibly classify as "close to [the player character]", while learning the truth about what's going on from his nephew.\\
'''Instead''' Dojima admittedly tries the latter... By taking his nephew in to the police station, thereby taking in for interrogation the only person he knows could logically not only not be the murderer, but may well be the only one who can ''stop'' the murders. During this, he leaves his daughter Nanako home alone... As in a person who perfectly fits the bill for who the murderer is going to target. Naturally, while the two are in the police station, Nanako is kidnapped by the murderer, who is quickly identified as somebody who is quite evidently not Dojima's nephew.\\
'''And Even Worse''' one of the options you ''do'' get is the ability to come clean and tell Dojima about your ability to go into the world behind the TV. He quite naturally doesn't believe you, and in fact becomes even ''more'' suspicious now that you have, in his mind, confirmed that you are lying to him. Too bad there isn't a TV ''right there in the room'' that the MC could walk over to and, I don't know, just stick his hand into to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is telling the truth about the murders. Oh. Wait. There ''freaking is''!
** Another instance, admittedly retrospective: Taro Namatame has been kidnapping people throughout the entire game and throwing them into the Television, as he believes that this will keep them safe from someone trying to kill them.\\
'''You'd Expect''' that he would do some sort of reconnaissance as to this new place, as even a cursory glance will reveal that it is ''infested with monsters'' and generally not a happy place. Or at least that he'd check up on the people he kidnapped.\\
'''Instead''', he just chucks them in there and does nothing else, meaning that your party has to go in and rescue them.
** Yosuke and Chie are stalking Kanji in order to get answers from him. Because they left the tree and their loud talking, he spotted them. To make a distraction, Yosuke claims that he and Chie are just two crazy lovebirds.\\
'''You'd Expect''' Chie should know that Yosuke is not in love with her and goes along with him to get Kanji not to know they're following him.\\
'''Instead''' she just [[HeIsNotMyBoyfriend denies of this]]. It doesn't take a while for them to run away, leading Kanji to discover that they're following him. [[{{Hiimdaisy}} And then there was a wacky chase scene. ("NOOO COME BACK I LOVE GIIIIRLS!!")]]
** Speaking of Yosuke and Chie; earlier on, he borrowed her "Trial of the Dragon" DVD. He accidentally broke it.\\
'''You'd Expect''' knowing fully well that she has a short temper with him, Yosuke has to remain calm and give it to Chie without saying he did something to it, then walk away calmly afterwards.\\
'''Instead''' he just give her the DVD in a panic and tries to run away. It doesn't take a while for her to pursue him and [[GroinAttack give him a critical hit to the nads]].
** In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls gets pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and started throwing buckets at them. By the time they left, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule.\\
'''You'd Expect''' the girls should give the boys the chance, considering it's their turn.\\
'''Instead''' they just keep this quiet to themselves, and ''not give them the chance''. They don't even apologize on that part.\\
'''Let's just face it''' the girls really [[KarmaHoudini got away on this one]].
** Another one in the Amagi Inn: the boys planned to sleep with the girls as revenge for what happened at the hot springs. Earlier on, they found out that Yukiko has talismans on their room, which explains of their misery over the events of their stay.\\
'''You'd Expect''' they do a sweep of the room, searching for additional talismans and checking to see if the room they got into is where the girls are sleeping at.\\
'''Instead''' they just sleep into a dark room they got into. As soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
** Dojima, the player character's uncle, finds a letter addressed to said character from a serial killer who's had the local police department tied up for the whole game. This letter telling him, basically, that if he rescues any more people then somebody close to him will die.\\
'''You'd expect''' Dojima to watch his own family, the only people who could possibly classify as "close to [the player character]", while learning the truth about what's going on from his nephew.\\
'''Instead''' Dojima admittedly tries the latter... By taking his nephew in to the police station, thereby taking in for interrogation the only person he knows could logically not only not be the murderer, but may well be the only one who can ''stop'' the murders. During this, he leaves his daughter Nanako home alone... As in a person who perfectly fits the bill for who the murderer is going to target. Naturally, while the two are in the police station, Nanako is kidnapped by the murderer, who is quickly identified as somebody who is quite evidently not Dojima's nephew.\\
'''And Even Worse''' one of the options you ''do'' get is the ability to come clean and tell Dojima about your ability to go into the world behind the TV. He quite naturally doesn't believe you, and in fact becomes even ''more'' suspicious now that you have, in his mind, confirmed that you are lying to him. Too bad there isn't a TV ''right there in the room'' that the MC could walk over to and, I don't know, just stick his hand into to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is telling the truth about the murders. Oh. Wait. There ''freaking is''!
** Another instance, admittedly retrospective: Taro Namatame has been kidnapping people throughout the entire game and throwing them into the Television, as he believes that this will keep them safe from someone trying to kill them.\\
'''You'd Expect''' that he would do some sort of reconnaissance as to this new place, as even a cursory glance will reveal that it is ''infested with monsters'' and generally not a happy place. Or at least that he'd check up on the people he kidnapped.\\
'''Instead''', he just chucks them in there and does nothing else, meaning that your party has to go in and rescue them.
** Yosuke and Chie are stalking Kanji in order to get answers from him. Because they left the tree and their loud talking, he spotted them. To make a distraction, Yosuke claims that he and Chie are just two crazy lovebirds.\\
'''You'd Expect''' Chie should know that Yosuke is not in love with her and goes along with him to get Kanji not to know they're following him.\\
'''Instead''' she just [[HeIsNotMyBoyfriend denies of this]]. It doesn't take a while for them to run away, leading Kanji to discover that they're following him. [[{{Hiimdaisy}} And then there was a wacky chase scene. ("NOOO COME BACK I LOVE GIIIIRLS!!")]]
** Speaking of Yosuke and Chie; earlier on, he borrowed her "Trial of the Dragon" DVD. He accidentally broke it.\\
'''You'd Expect''' knowing fully well that she has a short temper with him, Yosuke has to remain calm and give it to Chie without saying he did something to it, then walk away calmly afterwards.\\
'''Instead''' he just give her the DVD in a panic and tries to run away. It doesn't take a while for her to pursue him and [[GroinAttack give him a critical hit to the nads]].
** In the Amagi Inn, the girls are enjoying the hot springs. Suddenly, Teddie cannonballs on to them as the boys show up. The girls gets pissed off, thinking they're acting like perverts and started throwing buckets at them. By the time they left, Yukiko realizes she mixed up the schedule.\\
'''You'd Expect''' the girls should give the boys the chance, considering it's their turn.\\
'''Instead''' they just keep this quiet to themselves, and ''not give them the chance''. They don't even apologize on that part.\\
'''Let's just face it''' the girls really [[KarmaHoudini got away on this one]].
** Another one in the Amagi Inn: the boys planned to sleep with the girls as revenge for what happened at the hot springs. Earlier on, they found out that Yukiko has talismans on their room, which explains of their misery over the events of their stay.\\
'''You'd Expect''' they do a sweep of the room, searching for additional talismans and checking to see if the room they got into is where the girls are sleeping at.\\
'''Instead''' they just sleep into a dark room they got into. As soon as the lights are turned on, it's Hanako and Ms. Kashiwagi! In other words, they got the wrong room.
