History WesternAnimation / TheNightmareBeforeChristmas

31st Dec '17 4:00:14 AM ZuTheSkunk
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* ExpressiveSkull: Jack Skellington uses this trope, although it's questionable whether he is actually a skeleton or is a living creature that happens to resemble a skeleton.
17th Dec '17 9:24:40 AM Sharlee
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* BizarreAlienLocomotion: One odd little Halloween Town demon "walks" on the tips of its long bat-like wings, with its plump short-legged body suspended between them.
5th Dec '17 2:15:31 PM VenomousSeal
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* DisproportionateRetribution: To misquote WebVideo/CinemaSins, itís amazing how quickly the town decides that murdering the Santa imposter is the best course of action, considering his biggest crime is delivering scary gifts.
18th Nov '17 7:15:20 PM Bissek
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* BlessedWithSuck: ''Jack''. He's the King of Halloween, yet it's '''always about Halloween''', every single day, which is problematic when you want something different. Taking a break is not an option, as shown when Jack disappears for only two days and everyone is in a panic. Jack seems to not be able to give the crown to anyone else if he wanted ("But who here would ever understand/That the Pumpkin King with the skeleton grin/Would tire of his crown, if they only understood/He'd give it all up if he only could..."), so he's stuck with the job. ''And'' if the scenes after "This is Halloween" is any indication, due to being the biggest in-universe celebrity, Jack can't even have a decent conversation with anyone. Who knows how long Jack's been doing the Halloween job? He could be ReallySevenHundredYearsOld for all we know. When you think about it, [[TheWoobie you can't blame the guy]] for desperately wanting to try out Christmas.

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* BlessedWithSuck: ''Jack''. He's the King of Halloween, yet it's '''always about Halloween''', every single day, which is problematic when you want something different. Taking a break is not an option, as shown when Jack disappears for only two days (at the start of the slack season, no less) and everyone is in a panic. Jack seems to not be able to give the crown to anyone else if he wanted ("But who here would ever understand/That the Pumpkin King with the skeleton grin/Would tire of his crown, if they only understood/He'd give it all up if he only could..."), so he's stuck with the job. ''And'' if the scenes after "This is Halloween" is any indication, due to being the biggest in-universe celebrity, Jack can't even have a decent conversation with anyone. Who knows how long Jack's been doing the Halloween job? He could be ReallySevenHundredYearsOld for all we know. When you think about it, [[TheWoobie you can't blame the guy]] for desperately wanting to try out Christmas.
2nd Nov '17 8:12:47 PM Josef5678
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* ArtisticLicenseBiology: If Finklestein, especially at his age, removed half his brain like he does to create his "wife", he would lose motion on one side of his body (and since he's already a GeniusCripple, that would mean he has only ''one'' working limb) and would, depending on which side he removed, develop speech problems. At the same time, his wife would be equally crippled. Not to mention hemispherectomies are very delicate procedures; you don't break apart a brain like a loaf of bread.
** It could easily be a case of [[BizarreAlienBiology Bizarre Monster Biology]].

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* ArtisticLicenseBiology: If Finklestein, Finkelstein, especially at his age, removed half his brain like he does to create his "wife", he would lose motion on one side of his body (and since he's already a GeniusCripple, that would mean he has only ''one'' working limb) and would, depending on which side he removed, develop speech problems. At the same time, his wife would be equally crippled. Not to mention hemispherectomies are very delicate procedures; you don't break apart a brain like a loaf of bread.
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bread. It could easily be a case of [[BizarreAlienBiology Bizarre Monster Biology]].



* BerserkButton: Jack doesn't react well when he finds out Oogie Boogie is hurting his friends. Oogie dosen't react well to being duped.



* BlessedWithSuck: ''Jack''. He's the King of Halloween, yet it's '''always about Halloween''', every single day, which is problematic when you want something different. Taking a break is not an option, as shown when Jack disappears for only two days, everyone is in a panic. Jack seems to not be able to give the crown to anyone else if he wanted ("But who here would ever understand/That the Pumpkin King with the skeleton grin/Would tire of his crown, if they only understood/He'd give it all up if he only could..."), so he's stuck with the job. ''And'' if the scenes after "This is Halloween" is any indication, due to being the biggest in-universe celebrity, Jack can't even having a decent conversation with anyone. Who knows how long Jack's been doing the Halloween job? He could be ReallySevenHundredYearsOld for all we know. When you think about it, [[TheWoobie you can't blame the guy]] for desperately wanting to try out Christmas.

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* BlessedWithSuck: ''Jack''. He's the King of Halloween, yet it's '''always about Halloween''', every single day, which is problematic when you want something different. Taking a break is not an option, as shown when Jack disappears for only two days, days and everyone is in a panic. Jack seems to not be able to give the crown to anyone else if he wanted ("But who here would ever understand/That the Pumpkin King with the skeleton grin/Would tire of his crown, if they only understood/He'd give it all up if he only could..."), so he's stuck with the job. ''And'' if the scenes after "This is Halloween" is any indication, due to being the biggest in-universe celebrity, Jack can't even having have a decent conversation with anyone. Who knows how long Jack's been doing the Halloween job? He could be ReallySevenHundredYearsOld for all we know. When you think about it, [[TheWoobie you can't blame the guy]] for desperately wanting to try out Christmas.



* BlueAndOrangeMorality: The people of HalloweenTown are macabre, disturbing, and scary, and enjoy things that are dangerous and unpleasant to regular people, but that's just because it's their nature. In their world, these things are all quite positive. This is the primary source of conflict in the movie, because although the Halloween creatures ''think'' they understand Christmas, it's impossible for them to do so. Not even Jack really gets it.
** Oogie Boogie, however, proves that not everyone is benevolent there. His quislings Lock, Shock and Barrel also are, to put it in the townspeople's lexicon, "mean".

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* BlueAndOrangeMorality: The people of HalloweenTown are macabre, disturbing, and scary, and enjoy things that are dangerous and unpleasant to regular people, but that's just because it's their nature. In their world, these things are all quite positive. This is the primary source of conflict in the movie, because although the Halloween creatures ''think'' they understand Christmas, it's impossible for them to do so. Not even Jack really gets it.
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it. Oogie Boogie, however, proves that not everyone is benevolent there. His quislings Lock, Shock and Barrel also are, to put it in the townspeople's lexicon, "mean".



*** To make a brilliant contrast, while the colors of the town and its characters are not so bright (even Sally's red hair doesn't stand out very much) they are not mean or evil, while Oogie Boogie first appears being of a very bright (and poisonous) green color and his lair is a bright, colorful death-themed casino - and he is the one who takes pleasure not only in killing, but in torturing his victims with games first.

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*** ** To make a brilliant contrast, while the colors of the town and its characters are not so bright (even Sally's red hair doesn't stand out very much) they are not mean or evil, while Oogie Boogie first appears being of a very bright (and poisonous) green color and his lair is a bright, colorful death-themed casino - and he is the one who takes pleasure not only in killing, but in torturing his victims with games first.



* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: Yes, even the AnthropomorphicPersonification of Halloween can have ''a mid-life crisis''.

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* DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything: DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything:
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Yes, even the AnthropomorphicPersonification of Halloween can have ''a mid-life crisis''.crisis''.
** After Finkelstein awakens from Sally ''[[TooDumbToLive poisoning him for the fourth time in a little over a month]]'' he reacts to his doorbell the same way any hung over person would react to a loud noise.



*** He's also the scarecrow on the sign pointing the way to Halloween Town, though it's not clear until the end of the song.

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*** He's also ** Jack is the scarecrow on the sign pointing the way to Halloween Town, though it's not clear until the end of the song.



* EvilCannotComprehendGood: Subverted, since the people of HalloweenTown are not actually evil; however, due to their existance revolving around (goodnatured) fear and horror, their innate inability to really understand the concept or point of Christmas is a big part of the reason that Jack's plans don't pan out. Even Jack himself, for all he desperatly wants to, does not truly understand the niceties of Christmas.

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* EvilCannotComprehendGood: EvilCannotComprehendGood:
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Subverted, since the people of HalloweenTown are not actually evil; however, due to their existance existence revolving around (goodnatured) (good natured) fear and horror, their innate inability to really understand the concept or point of Christmas is a big part of the reason that Jack's plans don't pan out. Even Jack himself, for all he desperatly desperately wants to, does not truly understand the niceties of Christmas.



* ForgottenPhlebotinum: Oogie Boogie has the ability to suck in everything like a gigantic vacuum, which is how he [[spoiler: recaptured Santa and Sally]]. He never thought to use this in his battle against Jack Skellington, though this is somewhat justified, as Oogie was trying to get ''away'' from Jack. [[JustEatGilligan Still could have eaten him, though.]]
** [[ChestBurster He may have been afraid that being eaten wouldn't be enough to kill Jack.]]
** And Jack is a ''skeleton''. Wind running through his bones might have made it a NoSell to him.

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* ForgottenPhlebotinum: Oogie Boogie has the ability to suck in everything like a gigantic vacuum, which is how he [[spoiler: recaptured [[spoiler:recaptured Santa and Sally]]. He never thought to use this in his battle against Jack Skellington, though this is somewhat justified, as Oogie was trying to get ''away'' from Jack. [[JustEatGilligan Still could have eaten him, though.]]\n** [[ChestBurster He may have been afraid that being eaten wouldn't be enough to kill Jack.]]\n** And Jack is a ''skeleton''. Wind running through his bones might have made it a NoSell to him.



** After Finklestein awakens from Sally ''[[TooDumbToLive poisoning him for the fourth time in a little over a month]]'' he reacts to his doorbell the same way any hung over person would react to a loud noise.



* GoneHorriblyWrong: Poor Jack, all he wanted was to try his hand at another holiday... Instead, he ended up ruining christmas for the poor people back on Earth, and accidently put Santas life at risk.

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* GoneHorriblyWrong: Poor Jack, all he wanted was to try his hand at another holiday... Instead, he ended up ruining christmas Christmas for the poor people back on Earth, and accidently accidentally put Santas Santa's life at risk.



* {{Guile Hero}}ine[=/=]{{The Smart G|uy}}irl: Sally uses her brain most of all to get out of tight spots.

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* {{Guile Hero}}ine[=/=]{{The Smart G|uy}}irl: GuileHeroine: Sally uses her brain most of all to get out of tight spots.



* {{Hammerspace}}: Sally pulls a slotted spoon out of her sock that it easily double the length of the sock.

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* {{Hammerspace}}: Sally pulls a slotted spoon out of her sock that it easily double the length of the sock.it.



* HeroAntagonist: Sally.

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* %%* HeroAntagonist: Sally.



** RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething: Jack, who does a good job of running the town, and doesn't hesitate to put things right once he realizes the chaos he's caused.
** Both apply equally to Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny.


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* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething: Jack the Pumpkin King, who does a good job of running the town, and doesn't hesitate to put things right once he realizes the chaos he's caused.
2nd Nov '17 2:56:03 PM Josef5678
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---> '''Oogie:''' I'm going to do the best I can... (this is a reference to the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop cartoon ''The Old Man Of the Mountain, which was itself full of innuendo)

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---> '''Oogie:''' I'm going to do the best I can... (this is a reference to the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop ''WesternAnimation/BettyBoop'' cartoon ''The Old Man Of the Mountain, which was itself full of innuendo)



*** What makes this a little more frustrating is some of the concept art on the DVD shows Sally's body up to her neck tied in a bag, a quick solution to keeping all her parts together. One wonders why this simple solution went ignored in the final film...unless ''this'' might have been the intention...



%%* HyperCompetentSidekick: Barrel. Maybe.



* [[KidsPreferBoxes Skeletons Prefer Boxes]]: Jack is obsessed with the concept of a "present" (particularly in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII''), but doesn't understand that the present is what's INSIDE the pretty wrapped box with the bow.



*** He's the AnthropomorphicPersonification of Halloween. He's probably very hard to kill, especially with mortal weapons. Doesn't mean it doesn't hurt like Hell. He's very shaken.



* MagicPants: Jack's outfit may count. When he rises out of the fountain and his collar visibly straightens. When Jack is shot down, the Sandy Claws outfit is shredded, but the tux is completely unscathed, as is Santa's hat. Maybe the official outfit of a Holiday Ruler is indestructible? Santa's hat was similarly undamaged.
** Though it's possible it's literally a part of him. [[LimitedWardrobe We don't see any of the residents in different clothing.]]

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* MagicPants: Jack's outfit may count. When he rises out of the fountain and his collar visibly straightens. When Jack is shot down, the Sandy Claws outfit is shredded, but the tux is completely unscathed, as is Santa's hat. Maybe the official outfit of a Holiday Ruler is indestructible? Santa's hat was similarly undamaged. \n** Though it's possible it's literally a part of him. [[LimitedWardrobe We don't see any of the residents in different clothing.]]



* NightmareFace: Expected from the King of Halloween.
** Then there's that scary face Jack does to scare Lock, Shock and Barrel into doing their job right.

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* NightmareFace: NightmareFace:
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Expected from the King of Halloween.
** Then
Halloween. For example, there's that scary face Jack does to scare Lock, Shock and Barrel into doing their job right.



** There's a less WMG-y reason he didn't see the gunmen: Jack was focused solely on whooping Oogie's stitched behind, so he just didn't notice the gunmen. It isn't the first time in the movie that Jack's tuned out everything other than his goal to the detriment of his own health.



* OhCrap: Jack, when he realize that those shells are not fireworks. "They're ''trying'' to hit us!"

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* OhCrap: OhCrap:
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Jack, when he realize realizes that those shells are not fireworks. "They're ''trying'' to hit us!"



** TheOtherDarrin: The opening narration in the theatrical release of the film, and on the original soundtrack, was also read by Patrick Stewart, but it was changed to Santa for the home video release and subsequent soundtracks.



* PowerTrio: Lock is in the middle role, with female Shock being the smartest and Barrel as the dumb one who gets smacked, or TheRadar, depending on who you ask.

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* PowerTrio: Lock is in the middle role, with female Shock being the smartest and Barrel as the dumb one who gets smacked, or TheRadar, the HyperCompetentSidekick, depending on who you ask.



* TheRadar: Barrel. Maybe.



* RecycledTrailerMusic : The song "What's This?" is used in lots of trailers. The trailers for the movie itself were scored with JohnWilliams' theme to ''Film/{{Hook}}'' and "The End" from ''Film/EdwardScissorhands''.

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* RecycledTrailerMusic : The song "What's This?" is used in lots of trailers. The trailers for the movie itself were scored with JohnWilliams' Music/JohnWilliams's theme to ''Film/{{Hook}}'' and "The End" from ''Film/EdwardScissorhands''.



* StingyJack: Jack Skellington
* UsefulNotes/TheScientificMethod: Jack has a book about the subject, [[{{Adorkable}} apparently keeping it under his pillow]].

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* %%* StingyJack: Jack Skellington
* UsefulNotes/TheScientificMethod: Jack has a book about the subject, [[{{Adorkable}} apparently keeping it under his pillow]].
Skellington



** Oogie and Santa echo a line from the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop cartoon "WesternAnimation/TheOldManOfTheMountain", which stars Music/CabCalloway, the inspiration for Oogie Boogie. Oogie's gyrating dance bears a strong resemblance to that of the Walrus [[{{Rotoscoping}} rotoscoped]] over Calloway in the Betty cartoon ''WesternAnimation/MinnieTheMoocher''.

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** Oogie and Santa echo a line from the WesternAnimation/BettyBoop ''WesternAnimation/BettyBoop'' cartoon "WesternAnimation/TheOldManOfTheMountain", which stars Music/CabCalloway, the inspiration for Oogie Boogie. Oogie's gyrating dance bears a strong resemblance to that of the Walrus [[{{Rotoscoping}} rotoscoped]] {{rotoscop|ing}}ed over Calloway in the Betty cartoon ''WesternAnimation/MinnieTheMoocher''.



** Some of the toys are the same ones as seen in ''Film/BatmanReturns'' and two of the Real World kids are wearing pajamas with [[WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts Mickey Mouse]] and DonaldDuck on them.
** The scarecrow outfit Jack wears in the beginning sequence looks like an evil version of Jack [=PumpkinHead=] from ReturnToOz and Literature/TheMarvelousLandOfOz.
** A deliberate one to WesternAnimation/RudolphTheRedNosedReindeer, when Zero turns his nose red and moves to the head of the sleigh team to guide them through the fog.
*** There's also a Literature/LittleRedRidingHood reference here.

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** Some of the toys are the same ones as seen in ''Film/BatmanReturns'' and two of the Real World kids are wearing pajamas with [[WesternAnimation/ClassicDisneyShorts Mickey Mouse]] and DonaldDuck WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck on them.
** The scarecrow outfit Jack wears in the beginning sequence looks like an evil version of Jack [=PumpkinHead=] from ReturnToOz ''Film/ReturnToOz'' and Literature/TheMarvelousLandOfOz.
''Literature/TheMarvelousLandOfOz''.
** A deliberate one to WesternAnimation/RudolphTheRedNosedReindeer, ''WesternAnimation/RudolphTheRedNosedReindeer'', when Zero turns his nose red and moves to the head of the sleigh team to guide them through the fog.
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fog. There's also a Literature/LittleRedRidingHood ''Literature/LittleRedRidingHood'' reference here.



* SpiritualSuccessor: ''WesternAnimation/CorpseBride''. Made even more obvious by the fact that its trailer ended up with RecycledTrailerMusic from this film.

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* SpiritualSuccessor: SpiritualSuccessor:
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''WesternAnimation/CorpseBride''. Made even more obvious by the fact that its trailer ended up with RecycledTrailerMusic from this film.



* StopMotion: It's even widely believed to be the first full-length three-dimensional stop-motion feature, but [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stop_motion_films according to]] Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Gulliver this is]] [[SadlyMythtaken not the case]]. The animation is of such quality that a viewer unfamiliar with the film's age could easily mistake it for an AllCGICartoon.
* SubbingForSanta: Played with.

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* StopMotion: It's even widely believed to be the first full-length three-dimensional stop-motion feature, but [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_stop_motion_films according to]] Wiki/{{Wikipedia}}, [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Gulliver this is]] [[SadlyMythtaken [[OlderThanTheyThink not the case]]. The animation is of such quality that a viewer unfamiliar with the film's age could easily mistake it for an AllCGICartoon.
* %%* SubbingForSanta: Played with.



* TriumphantReprise: At least two: "This is Halloween" and "Sally's Song" both get them.
** Along with "What's This?"
** And "Jack's Lament."

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* TriumphantReprise: At least two: "This is Halloween" and "Sally's Song" both get them.
** Along
them, along with "What's This?"
** And
This?" and "Jack's Lament."



* UpToEleven: How scary is Oogie? He even scares the other people in HalloweenTown! [[FridgeBrilliance Oogie Boogie is scary because he's the only one in Halloween Town who would ever think of using violence against other people.]]
** You think that is bad? Take a deep look into his M.O, if you will. He is a gambler, so you may even "bet" against him and have hopes to win (after all, there is 50% of chance of winning)... Oh, yes, there is the tiny little detail that Oogie loves to gamble, but he always cheats. What is the fun of gambling or playing anything if you don't have the risk of losing? His "fun" doesn't come exactly of gambling itself. His pleasure comes from watching his victims struggle in despair and fear, letting them have HOPES of winning (and surviving) and then crushing it. Plus, have you noticed all the torture devices of his lair? It's like Casino Las Vegas meets the Medieval Inquisition. Anyone STILL wonders why everyone is scared of this guy?

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* UpToEleven: UpToEleven:
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How scary is Oogie? He even scares the other people in HalloweenTown! [[FridgeBrilliance Oogie Boogie is scary because he's the only one in Halloween Town who would ever think of using violence against other people.]]
** You think that is bad? Take a deep look into his M.O, if you will.
]] He is also a gambler, so you may even "bet" against him and have hopes to win (after all, there is 50% of chance of winning)... Oh, yes, there is the tiny little detail that Oogie loves to gamble, winning), but he always cheats. What is the fun of gambling or playing anything if you don't have the risk of losing? His "fun" doesn't come exactly of gambling itself. His pleasure comes from watching his victims struggle in despair and fear, letting them have HOPES of winning (and surviving) and then crushing it. Plus, have you noticed all the torture devices of his lair? It's like Casino Las Vegas meets the Medieval Inquisition. Anyone STILL wonders why everyone is scared of this guy?



* VagueAge: ''Jack''. He seems to be in his late twenties-early thirties, yet since he's DemBones, he could always be ReallySevenHundredYearsOld.

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* VagueAge: VagueAge:
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''Jack''. He seems to be in his late twenties-early thirties, yet since he's DemBones, he could always be ReallySevenHundredYearsOld.



* WhereTheHellIsSpringfield: The unnamed city Jack visits.
** HalloweenTown counts too.

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* WhereTheHellIsSpringfield: The unnamed city Jack visits.
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visits. HalloweenTown counts too.



* WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief: Jack and Sally can walk, talk, feel pain, and are implied to have a need for nourishment? Why not. Jack and Sally having children, particularly through being able to have sex? [[BrokenBase The fandom is divided by this]]. Some say why not, while others think Jack and Sally either [[LampshadedDoubleEntendre lack certain parts]] for successful reproduction or shouldn't have kids at all. And this isn't getting into the {{Squick}} (or maybe FetishFuel) aspect of the argument...
** Also, Jack is lit on fire at the begining of the film without expressing any sign of pain and later falls hundreds of feet, landing hard enough to knock off his jaw bone, yet he still says "ow" when he pricks his finger on a needle.
*** This may be FridgeBrilliance, given that it's Sally using the needle; Sally is the only one who could hurt Jack emotionally.

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* WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief: WillingSuspensionOfDisbelief:
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Jack and Sally can walk, talk, feel pain, and are implied to have a need for nourishment? Why not. Jack and Sally having children, particularly through being able to have sex? [[BrokenBase The fandom is divided by this]]. Some say why not, while others think Jack and Sally either [[LampshadedDoubleEntendre lack certain parts]] for successful reproduction or shouldn't have kids at all. And this isn't getting into the {{Squick}} (or maybe FetishFuel) aspect of the argument...
** Also, Jack is lit on fire at the begining beginning of the film without expressing any sign of pain and later falls hundreds of feet, landing hard enough to knock off his jaw bone, yet he still says "ow" when he pricks his finger on a needle.
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needle. This may be FridgeBrilliance, given that it's Sally using the needle; Sally is the only one who could hurt Jack emotionally.
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** The policeman taking calls about Jack during Christmas has a mug on his desk that heavily resembles the head of ''Film/Beetlejuice''.

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** The policeman taking calls about Jack during Christmas has a mug on his desk that heavily resembles the head of ''Film/Beetlejuice''.''Film/{{Beetlejuice}}''.
1st Nov '17 9:38:44 AM RadiatedRonin
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** The policeman taking calls about Jack during Christmas has a mug on his desk that heavily resembles the head of ''Film/Beetlejuice''.
30th Oct '17 6:23:59 PM L4D2Ellis19
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** Oogie gets two big ones: 1) when he sees Jack on the platform instead of Sally and Santa and 2) [[spoiler: when Jack pulls the thread that keeps him together]]. He has several smaller one as Jack passes each of his deathtraps, but these may be feigned, as he always has another trap ready.

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** Oogie gets two big ones: 1) when he sees Jack on the platform instead of Sally and Santa and 2) [[spoiler: when Jack pulls the thread that keeps him together]]. He has several smaller one ones as Jack passes each of his deathtraps, but these may be feigned, as he always has another trap ready.
28th Oct '17 3:07:34 PM girlyboy
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* ComicallyMissingThePoint: Things might have gone more smoothly if Jack and the HalloweenTown citizens actually tried to ''understand'' Christmas instead of jumping straight to remaking it.

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* ComicallyMissingThePoint: Things might have gone more smoothly if Jack and the HalloweenTown citizens actually tried to ''understand'' ''understood'' Christmas instead of before jumping straight to remaking it.it. (Mind, Jack ''tries'' to understand it, and tries very hard. But he just can't quite get it right...)
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