History WesternAnimation / Gargoyles

29th Mar '17 10:01:00 PM NOYB
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The initial incarnation of the show lasted [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gargoyles_episodes two seasons and sixty-five episodes]]. It was followed by a retooled third season -- ''Gargoyles: The Goliath Chronicles'' -- but since Creator/GregWeisman was only around to write the first episode of this season, a new team of writers completely new to the series ended up heading the rest of the season. As a result, the series underwent a drastic shift of tone; from a serialized, dark action series, into a more lighthearted, and at times, comedic romp. According to Weisman, this happened due to the show [[ExecutiveMeddling effectively being taken out of his hands by Disney higher-ups]], in addition to [[ChristmasRushed tightening of schedules]].

The series was later resurrected in {{comic book|Tropes}} form in 2006, picking up with an alternate timeline after a comic-book retelling of the opening episode of ''The Goliath Chronicles'' before going on to weave an entirely new story; it also resulted in a spin-off title, ''ComicBook/BadGuys''. When the publisher, Slave Labor Graphics, was hit with higher licensing fees imposed by Disney, both books were cancelled. Creator/GregWeisman has vowed to find a way to continue the story.

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The initial incarnation of the show lasted [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Gargoyles_episodes two seasons and sixty-five episodes]]. It was followed by a retooled third season -- ''Gargoyles: The Goliath Chronicles'' -- but since Creator/GregWeisman was only around to write the first episode of this season, a new team of writers completely new to the series ended up heading the rest of the season. As a result, the series underwent a drastic shift of tone; from a serialized, dark action series, into a more lighthearted, and at times, comedic romp. According to Weisman, this happened due to the show [[ExecutiveMeddling effectively being taken out of his hands by Disney higher-ups]], in addition to [[ChristmasRushed tightening of schedules]].

schedules]], and ''The Goliath Chronicles'' is not canon.

The series was later resurrected in canonical {{comic book|Tropes}} form in 2006, picking up with an alternate timeline after a comic-book retelling of the opening episode of ''The Goliath Chronicles'' before going on to weave an entirely new story; it also resulted in a spin-off title, ''ComicBook/BadGuys''. When the publisher, Slave Labor Graphics, was hit with higher licensing fees imposed by Disney, both books were cancelled. Creator/GregWeisman has vowed to find a way to continue the story.
24th Mar '17 7:18:02 PM Conradus
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** It might be noted that none of them would've even spoken English--in the tenth century, Scotland was a patchwork of languages, and they would spoken an archaic dialect of either Gaelic (most probable), Pictish or Cumbrian, depending on where they were, with Goliath probably knowing some Latin, since he reads. Even in England at the time, they spoke Old English, which is completely incomprehensible to a speaker of the modern tongue.

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** It might be noted [[EternalEnglish that none of them would've even spoken English--in English]]--in the tenth century, Scotland was a patchwork of languages, and they would spoken an archaic dialect of either Gaelic (most probable), Pictish or Cumbrian, depending on where they were, with Goliath probably knowing some Latin, since he reads. Even in England at the time, they spoke Old English, which is completely incomprehensible to a speaker of the modern tongue.
15th Mar '17 9:41:34 PM WJTaylor4
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** And then, of course, there's [[spoiler:the aforementioned captain of the guard, who betrayed ''everyone.'' The Captain of the Guard is a tragic example though in that he was trying to help the Gargoyles by getting rid of the ungrateful Princess Ktharine, Magus, soldiers and other assorted folk living at Castle Wyvern who treated the Gargoyles like crap despite all the Gargoyles did to protect them. He even told Goliath point blank that he and his clan deserved better. But his plan backfired horribly when he couldn't stop the Viking Leader Hakon and his men from destroying the majority of the clan in stone form. The Captain got some small measure of revenge when he wrestled Hakon off the cliff to their deaths, only to spend centuries with his spirit trapped in a cave along with Hakon's spirit until Goliath eventually came back and set his spirit free by forgiving him.]]

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** And then, of course, there's [[spoiler:the aforementioned captain of the guard, who betrayed ''everyone.'' The Captain of the Guard is a tragic example though in that he was trying to help the Gargoyles by getting rid of the ungrateful Princess Ktharine, Katharine, Magus, soldiers and other assorted folk living at Castle Wyvern who treated the Gargoyles like crap despite all the Gargoyles did to protect them. He even told Goliath point blank that he and his clan deserved better. But his plan backfired horribly when he couldn't stop the Viking Leader Hakon and his men from destroying the majority of the clan in stone form. The Captain got some small measure of revenge when he wrestled Hakon off the cliff to their deaths, only to spend centuries with his spirit trapped in a cave along with Hakon's spirit until Goliath eventually came back and set his spirit free by forgiving him.]]
15th Mar '17 9:40:24 PM WJTaylor4
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** And then, of course, there's [[spoiler:the aforementioned captain of the guard, who betrayed ''everyone.'']]

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** And then, of course, there's [[spoiler:the aforementioned captain of the guard, who betrayed ''everyone.'']]'' The Captain of the Guard is a tragic example though in that he was trying to help the Gargoyles by getting rid of the ungrateful Princess Ktharine, Magus, soldiers and other assorted folk living at Castle Wyvern who treated the Gargoyles like crap despite all the Gargoyles did to protect them. He even told Goliath point blank that he and his clan deserved better. But his plan backfired horribly when he couldn't stop the Viking Leader Hakon and his men from destroying the majority of the clan in stone form. The Captain got some small measure of revenge when he wrestled Hakon off the cliff to their deaths, only to spend centuries with his spirit trapped in a cave along with Hakon's spirit until Goliath eventually came back and set his spirit free by forgiving him.]]
12th Mar '17 7:08:59 PM themisterfree
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** In the first issue of the ''Bad Guys'' comic, a song playing on a boombox is from another Weisman/Disney series, ''WesternAnimation/{{WITCH}}'' (per Greg, [[http://www.s8.org/gargoyles/askgreg/search.php?qid=10171 it's also a TV show in-universe]]- albeit airing a decade before it was actually created in real life).
25th Feb '17 6:46:18 PM Nevermore2002
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** The whole scene where Xanatos hunt down werefox is taken from ''Film/Predator2'', down to the slaughter house and Xanatos's cannon.

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** The whole scene where Xanatos hunt down werefox Werefox is taken straight from ''Film/Predator2'', down to the slaughter house and Xanatos's Xanatos' cannon.
16th Feb '17 3:39:18 AM Morgenthaler
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* TheHunter: Gillecomgain, Duncan, Canmore, and most of Duncan's and Canmore's descendants, against gargoyles (or "demons").

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* TheHunter: HunterOfMonsters: Gillecomgain, Duncan, Canmore, and most of Duncan's and Canmore's descendants, against gargoyles (or "demons").
19th Jan '17 8:19:17 AM Kirayoshi
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* OOCIsSeriousBusiness: In "Protection", Goliath confronts Eliza, who is openly consorting with Dracon and his men and appears to have undergone a FaceHeelTurn. Goliath is convinced that she is under a spell, but Broadway figures that she is really going undercover to shut down Dracon's protection racket.
16th Jan '17 5:53:18 PM MadAnthony94
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* ArtMajorBiology: Gargoyles. All the problems of WingedHumanoid apply, not to mention their "gliding" works however the plot needs it to. WordOfGod is that their stone sleep is a purely biological, nonmagical function but that only raises more questions.


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* BlessedWithSuck: Gargoyles are stronger than humans, have better senses, and can glide, scale walls, and heal while they sleep. But they need to spend twelve hours a day completely immobile, which sucks if, for example, you have to share the planet with a species that hates you and has access to iron tools.
16th Jan '17 5:18:11 PM MadAnthony94
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* FantasyKitchenSink

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* FantasyKitchenSinkFantasyKitchenSink: First off, magic exists and people used it throughout history. Then you've got TheFairFolk, who account for most of folklore, Shakespeare's work, and the Arthurian mythos. Season 2 confirms the existence of Golems, the Dreamtime, ghosts, and AncientAstronauts. That's not even counting the titular gargoyles.


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* WainscotSociety: The gargoyles, sort of. They coexisted with humanity throughout much of our history but knowledge of their existence went from common, to exclusively folkloric, to completely forgotten in modern times.
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