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They're failures because they couldn't survive. Whether it was wild animals, paranoid natives, hostile environment, or general bad luck, they died before they were fully grown. That's why knowledge of their existence could destabilize the Imperium: pre-Heresy, the Primarchs were the pinnacle of mankind, and the idea that they could fall to anything short of a whole army would shatter morale. Their Legions in particular would be devastated knowing that their gene-father was lost forever. The Primarchs' mortality became a moot point post Horus Heresy, but by then the survivors had better things to do than remind the Imperium of two dead dudes.

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They're failures because they couldn't survive. Whether it was wild animals, paranoid natives, hostile environment, or general bad luck, they died before they were fully grown. That's why knowledge of their existence could destabilize the Imperium: pre-Heresy, the Primarchs were the pinnacle of mankind, and the idea that they could fall to anything short of a whole army would shatter morale. Their Legions in particular would be devastated knowing that their gene-father was lost forever. The Primarchs' mortality became a moot point post Horus Heresy, but by then the survivors had better things to do than remind the Imperium of two dead dudes.dudes.

[[WMG: The Tyranids were the Old Ones final solution to Chaos.]]

After the immaterium was fucked over by the War In Heaven, the presence of sentient minds perpetuated its chaotic nature indefinitely. Thus, the Old Ones made the Tyranids to remove all sentient life from the galaxy if and only if Chaos started getting out of hand - that is, they didn't want to kill everything, but they wnted even less everything enslaes to the Chaos Gods. The Tyranids were stationed outside the Galaxy and made a few harvest runs every now and then to restock on energy and mass, and the seeding of deathworlds with Tyranid-Adjacent bioforms was nothing less than the creation of a surveillance system - each animal on those worlds was, essentially, a piece of an optical telescope array that allowed the hivemind to maintain total glactic surveillance, to ensure the warp rifts didn't git out of hand. The Eye of Terror's appaearence began waking the hive fleets from dormancy, and now that the Cicatrix Maledictum is there it's time for the cleaners to, er. Clean.
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That's why they were considered failures, and why knowledge of them would destabilize the entire Imperium. Whether by wild animals, overzealous natives, or a harsh environment, the Primarchs died in childhood. Their demise was covered up because it would be a huge blow to morale if the supposed pinnacles of humanity were discovered to be vulnerable.

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They're failures because they couldn't survive. Whether it was wild animals, paranoid natives, hostile environment, or general bad luck, they died before they were fully grown. That's why they were considered failures, and why knowledge of them would their existence could destabilize the entire Imperium. Whether by wild animals, overzealous natives, or a harsh environment, Imperium: pre-Heresy, the Primarchs died in childhood. were the pinnacle of mankind, and the idea that they could fall to anything short of a whole army would shatter morale. Their demise was covered up because it Legions in particular would be devastated knowing that their gene-father was lost forever. The Primarchs' mortality became a huge blow to morale if moot point post Horus Heresy, but by then the supposed pinnacles survivors had better things to do than remind the Imperium of humanity were discovered to be vulnerable.two dead dudes.
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In the ''The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer'', they have reference to the II and XI Legions. While the name is covered up by the page they taped over it, between the 'the' and the end of the page, the text can fit "m none less than" plus some white space. That's a name with at least 16 characters with no spaces or dashes.

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In the ''The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer'', they have reference to the II and XI Legions. While the name is covered up by the page they taped over it, between the 'the' and the end of the page, the text can fit "m none less than" plus some white space. That's a name with at least 16 characters with no spaces or dashes.dashes.

[[WMG: The Lost Primarchs were dead when Imperium found them]]
That's why they were considered failures, and why knowledge of them would destabilize the entire Imperium. Whether by wild animals, overzealous natives, or a harsh environment, the Primarchs died in childhood. Their demise was covered up because it would be a huge blow to morale if the supposed pinnacles of humanity were discovered to be vulnerable.
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...it was the fault of [[TheInternetIsForPorn the Internet]]. The seeds of Slaanesh's gestation were sealed the moment those pornographers at 4chan declared that "[[RuleThirtyFour If it exists, there is porn of it]]". When humanity expanded, so did the Internet and of course, more and more debaucherous examples of {{Hentai}}, furry porn, BDSM etc. The Eldar used to be [[IncorruptiblePurePureness puritans]] who dedicated their lives to harmony with their own gods, until the Dark Age of Technology where trade with Humanity introduced them to sick porno, which drove a lot of them severely addicted and insane. Humanity planted the seeds of hedonism, but the Eldar due to their psychic powers and mass addiction provided immense power to birth the Porn God. Of course, the Craftworld Eldar tried to return to their traditional puritan ways by censoring all contacts with humanity, while on the other hand the Dark Eldar still weren't able to quit their addiction to sick porn and hence why they are urged to capture as much humans as possible to re-enact all the porn they found. That's why Slaanesh, instead of being a distinctly Eldar god, was a Chaos God instead: Chaos Gods being formed from the emotions of all human life, while the Eldar were just collateral.

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...it was the fault of [[TheInternetIsForPorn the Internet]]. The seeds of Slaanesh's gestation were sealed the moment those pornographers at 4chan declared that "[[RuleThirtyFour If it exists, there is porn of it]]". When humanity expanded, so did the Internet and of course, more and more debaucherous examples of {{Hentai}}, furry porn, BDSM etc. The Eldar used to be [[IncorruptiblePurePureness puritans]] who dedicated their lives to harmony with their own gods, until the Dark Age of Technology where trade with Humanity introduced them to sick porno, which drove a lot of them severely addicted and insane. Humanity planted the seeds of hedonism, but the Eldar due to their psychic powers and mass addiction provided immense power to birth the Porn God. Of course, the Craftworld Eldar tried to return to their traditional puritan ways by censoring all contacts with humanity, while on the other hand the Dark Eldar still weren't able to quit their addiction to sick porn and hence why they are urged to capture as much humans as possible to re-enact all the porn they found. That's why Slaanesh, instead of being a distinctly Eldar god, was a Chaos God instead: Chaos Gods being formed from the emotions of all human life, while the Eldar were just collateral.collateral.

[[WMG: One of the Lost Legions has a really long name.]]
In the ''The Imperial Infantryman's Uplifting Primer'', they have reference to the II and XI Legions. While the name is covered up by the page they taped over it, between the 'the' and the end of the page, the text can fit "m none less than" plus some white space. That's a name with at least 16 characters with no spaces or dashes.
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per Trope Repair Shop, Jerkass Facade is being cut in favor of Hidden Heart Of Gold / Jerk With A Heart Of Gold.


The first Custodes are described as the first genetically and psychologically altered warriors created by the Emperor during the Terran Unification Wars, a descrption which obviouslly fits Thunder Warriors more, unless the first Custodes actually '''were''' Thunder Warrriors. Emperor could take those rare of the Thunder Warriors who weren't suffering from [[AxCrazy violent insanity]] and/or [[TheSociopath psychpathy]], and fix their genetic flaws for them to become Custodes. While the hidden dark truth is that the Emperor ordered execution of all Thunder Warriors, this could be in part a lie, for the Emperor [[JerkassFacade to seem more ruthless than he really was]] to his close underlings. This would line up with the historical [[UsefulNotes/{{Augustus}} Emperor Augustus]] playing up his ruthlessness, as seen with Augustus' FamousLastWords : ''"Have I played my part well in the comedy of life? Then applaud!''.

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The first Custodes are described as the first genetically and psychologically altered warriors created by the Emperor during the Terran Unification Wars, a descrption which obviouslly fits Thunder Warriors more, unless the first Custodes actually '''were''' Thunder Warrriors. Emperor could take those rare of the Thunder Warriors who weren't suffering from [[AxCrazy violent insanity]] and/or [[TheSociopath psychpathy]], and fix their genetic flaws for them to become Custodes. While the hidden dark truth is that the Emperor ordered execution of all Thunder Warriors, this could be in part a lie, for the Emperor [[JerkassFacade to seem more ruthless than he really was]] was to his close underlings. This would line up with the historical [[UsefulNotes/{{Augustus}} Emperor Augustus]] playing up his ruthlessness, as seen with Augustus' FamousLastWords : ''"Have I played my part well in the comedy of life? Then applaud!''.
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The ultimate goal, if Chaos had not interfered, was to repeat the process of creating the Necrons. Some of the traitor primarchs may well have realised the truth, and decided that the Enemy of My Enemy Is My Friend.

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The ultimate goal, if Chaos had not interfered, was to repeat the process of creating the Necrons. Some of the traitor primarchs may well have realised the truth, and decided that the Enemy of My Enemy Is My Friend.Friend.

[[WMG: The Eldar didn't directly create Slaanesh...]]
...it was the fault of [[TheInternetIsForPorn the Internet]]. The seeds of Slaanesh's gestation were sealed the moment those pornographers at 4chan declared that "[[RuleThirtyFour If it exists, there is porn of it]]". When humanity expanded, so did the Internet and of course, more and more debaucherous examples of {{Hentai}}, furry porn, BDSM etc. The Eldar used to be [[IncorruptiblePurePureness puritans]] who dedicated their lives to harmony with their own gods, until the Dark Age of Technology where trade with Humanity introduced them to sick porno, which drove a lot of them severely addicted and insane. Humanity planted the seeds of hedonism, but the Eldar due to their psychic powers and mass addiction provided immense power to birth the Porn God. Of course, the Craftworld Eldar tried to return to their traditional puritan ways by censoring all contacts with humanity, while on the other hand the Dark Eldar still weren't able to quit their addiction to sick porn and hence why they are urged to capture as much humans as possible to re-enact all the porn they found. That's why Slaanesh, instead of being a distinctly Eldar god, was a Chaos God instead: Chaos Gods being formed from the emotions of all human life, while the Eldar were just collateral.
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Half of the Dark Angels fell to Chaos and the other half remained loyal. The loyalists got most of the traitors, but missed one or two. The Inquisition already knows about this, but since the Chapter has taken steps to redeem itself, is loyal to the Imperium, and is properly repentant, they are simply allowed to continue as they are.

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Half of the Dark Angels fell to Chaos and the other half remained loyal. The loyalists got most of the traitors, but missed one or two. The Inquisition already knows about this, but since the Chapter has taken steps to redeem itself, is loyal to the Imperium, and is properly repentant, they are simply allowed to continue as they are.are.

[[WMG: The Imperium of Man is actually a C'tan plot all along.]]
Maybe the Emperor actually had good intentions once, but he's been corrupted a long time ago. The overall goal of the Imperium is to finally, and belatedly win the war for the C'tan. Major components of the plan:

1. the Primarchs are meant to be vessels for the C'tan to download themselves into, allowing them to finally control the warp

2. the Imperial Truth suppresses belief, calming the Warp.

3. controlling both the Webway and the Astronomicon, the C'tan will control all FTL travel in the galaxy

4. with all technology coming out of Mars, all of humanity's tech will be tainted by the Void Dragon

5. the Golden Throne is actually C'tan tech, the sacrifices to the throne are actually keeping the C'tan alive/empowering them.

The ultimate goal, if Chaos had not interfered, was to repeat the process of creating the Necrons. Some of the traitor primarchs may well have realised the truth, and decided that the Enemy of My Enemy Is My Friend.
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The Emperor was dead. When Guilliman emerged from the Sanctum imperialis, he knew the Truth, but because Mankind is in a horribly desparate state, he said that the Emperor was alive. The Astronomican wasn't the Emperor himself, but the souls of psykers being sacrificed daily. He had to lie so that Humanity will still have the willpower to fight Chaos. As for the information revealed to him that the Emperor only saw the Primarchs as generals and not sons, that was information Guilliman always knew. He was a pragmatic politician, and did not see the Emperor in an intimate relationshipo, and his agenda was always statesmanship and creating a new Imperium besides that of the Emperor (''Imperium Secundus'', aka Ultramar) The End Times, his sponsorship of the Primaris Marines project, and the alliance with the Eldar Ynnari provided the ultimate opportunity for Guilliman to consolidate himself as the Heir to the title of Emperor of Mankind.

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The Emperor was dead. When Guilliman emerged from the Sanctum imperialis, he knew the Truth, but because Mankind is in a horribly desparate state, he said that the Emperor was alive. The Astronomican wasn't the Emperor himself, but the souls of psykers being sacrificed daily. He had to lie so that Humanity will still have the willpower to fight Chaos. As for the information revealed to him that the Emperor only saw the Primarchs as generals and not sons, that was information Guilliman always knew. He was a pragmatic politician, and did not see the Emperor in an intimate relationshipo, and his agenda was always statesmanship and creating a new Imperium besides that of the Emperor (''Imperium Secundus'', aka Ultramar) The End Times, his sponsorship of the Primaris Marines project, and the alliance with the Eldar Ynnari provided the ultimate opportunity for Guilliman to consolidate himself as the Heir to the title of Emperor of Mankind.Mankind.

[[WMG: The Inquisition already knows about the Dark Angels' Dirty Little Secret, and doesn't give a toss.]]
Half of the Dark Angels fell to Chaos and the other half remained loyal. The loyalists got most of the traitors, but missed one or two. The Inquisition already knows about this, but since the Chapter has taken steps to redeem itself, is loyal to the Imperium, and is properly repentant, they are simply allowed to continue as they are.
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* May I ask, why that specific year? Is there something in the lore that states 14,000 years? If they want to make a sequel series (set thousands of years after to [[CrackIsCheaper get more money]]) why not Warhammer 50,000? 55 is just an odd number to use.

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* May I ask, why that specific year? Is there something in the lore that states 14,000 years? If they want to make a sequel series (set thousands of years after to [[CrackIsCheaper get more money]]) money) why not Warhammer 50,000? 55 is just an odd number to use.
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Understatement is for In Universe use only.


Basically imagine if our current Warhammer game had lines like "Kill the Ni**er, Purge the Chink! Creator/GamesWorkshop would have [[UnderStatement a far smaller fanbase]]. GW must have realized that either by intention or accident they had made KluKluxKlan 40k and promptly never made another version of the game. Although oddly enough both miniatures and original rule books are still sold on a seperate website.

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Basically imagine if our current Warhammer game had lines like "Kill the Ni**er, Purge the Chink! Creator/GamesWorkshop would have [[UnderStatement a far smaller fanbase]].fanbase. GW must have realized that either by intention or accident they had made KluKluxKlan 40k and promptly never made another version of the game. Although oddly enough both miniatures and original rule books are still sold on a seperate website.
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I'm basing this WMG on fluff from the earliest concept version of the WH40K canon known as LaserBurn it was a basic ruleset for playing with 15mm miniatures. Basically it states that while there was an Imperium which was ruled by the High Lords of Terra, the Emperor himself isn't mentioned ''not even ONCE''.

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I'm basing this WMG on fluff from the earliest concept version of the WH40K [=WH40k=] canon known as LaserBurn it was a basic ruleset for playing with 15mm miniatures. Basically it states that while there was an Imperium which was ruled by the High Lords of Terra, the Emperor himself isn't mentioned ''not even ONCE''.
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There's a reason why the Eldar consider summoning the Avatar to be such a grave, weighty matter only to be done when the GodzillaThreshold has been crossed. It's the Eldar god of war and murder given physical form, and it not only will not but ''cannot'' give up fighting until it is killed. Even if the original conflict it was summoned for is long over, it will just keep on the warpath, leading a substantial proportion of the DyingRace that summoned it into one horrific meat grinder war after another until something ''finally'' manages to kill it. Some Farseers may consider the death (and return to dormancy) of their Avatar to be an acceptable loss after a while, and maneuver it into battles with foes that have a good chance of killing it just to get it over with.

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There's a reason why the Eldar consider summoning the Avatar to be such a grave, weighty matter only to be done when the GodzillaThreshold has been crossed. It's the Eldar god of war and murder given physical form, and it not only will not but ''cannot'' give up fighting until it is killed. Even if the original conflict it was summoned for is long over, it will just keep on the warpath, leading a substantial proportion of the DyingRace that summoned it into one horrific meat grinder war after another until something ''finally'' manages to kill it. Some Farseers may consider the death (and return to dormancy) of their Avatar to be an acceptable loss after a while, and maneuver it into battles with foes that have a good chance of killing it just to get it over with.with.

[[WMG: The Emperor was a former Tzeentchian Daemon Prince who [[FaustianRebellion attempted to rebel against his master and Chaos]]... and failed miserably.]]
As mentioned before numerous times (in "The Emperor was Tzeentch" and "the Emperor cannot avoid becoming Chaos Undivided"), the Emperor's character, personality and psychological portfolio is that of a Tzeentchian. The Emperor is a genius Psyker, who spent most of his time on Earth giving Mankind knowledge and manipulating Humanity behind the shadows. His philosophy was that of Ambition, to bring Humanity into progress and the next step of evolution. After the disaster of the Age of Strife, when Humanity was definitely in the bottom of the shitter, he brought Hope and Change. When Humanity was on the verge of killing itself, he presented Hope. When humanity was inevitably going extinct due to the catastrophies of the Age of Strife, the Emperor changed everything. And in his quest to give Mankind Hope and Change, he used both Science and Arcane Magic, like in using Warp energies to develop the Primarchs, and therefore the Astartes.

Perhaps the Emperor was a proto-Tzeentchian. Since the Warp is beyond space and time, it is possible that an avatar of Tzeentch or a Lord of Change was sent back millennia before during the genesis of humanity. During this time, Humanity was just another animal, and the weakest in the food chain, hunted down and murdered by countless apex predators, from lions to bears, if not dying from numerous diseases (it was from this era that the first Chaos Gods such as Nurgle began to gestate). But while most of mankind was contented with this savage lifestyle, there was one who was dissatisfied, and wanted Change. Change, where humanity, instead of being just a failed species of ape, had the power to Change the World around Him to his own Will. Thus, when the child made contact with the aforementioned Lord of Change, they made an Unholy contract: Humanity shall gain Knowledge, and therefore the capacity to Change the Natural World through their own Intellect, a Dominion that which Mankind sees fit. This was where we get the story of Genesis: Adam eating from the Fruit of Knowledge, which both benefited and damned humanity as a whole, the knowledge of civilizationand dominion over the natural world in exchange for the loss of happiness and soul.

"Adam", as we would call the Emperor, and the person who contracted with the Lord of Change, was initially loyal to the God of Change, by posing as numerous beacons of Hope throughout Human History. This is where we get "The Emperor was Jesus" meme. Humanity developed and some of the Chaos Gods made their first appearance (Nurgle during the Black Death, Khorne during the Mongol wars). "Adam" used Sorcery against the Void Dragon to imprison it on Mars, because the C'tan are weak against Warp powers. Then, he guided an ancient Order of scientists and alchemists persecuted by the Roman Catholic Church, the so-called Gnostics or Illuminati, to engineer the Renaissance and show Humanity the path to Hope and Change once more. Unfortunately, the new technology developed by this Hope in Science and and Progress, instead of benefiting Humanity as a whole, were used as weapons and inventions humanity can use to destroy itself. This reached its peak during World War II, when a rival Chaos Cultist named Adolf Hitler used the products of Change to almost destroy the world. This was where Adam realised that Tzeentch dicked him over; Hope and Change, his virtues, were not the key to mankind's survival. Thus he plotted his Rebellion.

During the Dark Age of Technology, the era of Change and progress when Humanity has developed the capacity to harness and transverse the Warp, Adam constantly used his former daemonic gifts to plot against the Daemon Lords. This was where, in some sources, he discovered the planet of Molech. Molech contained a Gate that directly led to the fortressess of the Chaos Gods themselves. Adam, due to his continuous plotting against Tzeentch, defeated his old master in a game, outsmarted the more stupid Chaos Gods (Nurgle, Khorne and Slaanesh), and stole portions of power from a source claimed by the gods as their own. He would use this power to evolve himself and create the Primarchs. This would earn him the ire of the duped/defeated Ruinous Powers, who consider him as some sort of usurper.

This was why, in the establishment of the Imperium of Man, and during the Council of Nikaea, the Emperor, though a Tzeentchian himself, whose philosophy was Hope and Change for Mankind, could not allow Magnus the same luxury of knowing the prospects of the God of Change. The Emperor feared Magnus would descend to the same path he had, a puppet by the Master of Fate. This is the reason for the Imperial Truth and the policy of State Atheism; The Emperor knows he is a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch, but he cannot let others suffer the same fate, so better to keep everyone ignorant. Untimately, despite his efforts, his old master triumphed, and as the ultimate form of torture towards his rebellious student, warped his ideals of Hope and Change into his own worst nightmares, a totalitarian dystopia obsessed with killing itself.

[[WMG: For 8th Edition: Roboute Guilliman lied about his experiences in the Emperor's chamber.]]
The Emperor was dead. When Guilliman emerged from the Sanctum imperialis, he knew the Truth, but because Mankind is in a horribly desparate state, he said that the Emperor was alive. The Astronomican wasn't the Emperor himself, but the souls of psykers being sacrificed daily. He had to lie so that Humanity will still have the willpower to fight Chaos. As for the information revealed to him that the Emperor only saw the Primarchs as generals and not sons, that was information Guilliman always knew. He was a pragmatic politician, and did not see the Emperor in an intimate relationshipo, and his agenda was always statesmanship and creating a new Imperium besides that of the Emperor (''Imperium Secundus'', aka Ultramar) The End Times, his sponsorship of the Primaris Marines project, and the alliance with the Eldar Ynnari provided the ultimate opportunity for Guilliman to consolidate himself as the Heir to the title of Emperor of Mankind.

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* You're right, but for the wrong reason. Chaos's natural state is an endless conflict and disorder, and this manifests by most of the Dark Gods' time and attention being spent fighting each other in the Great Game; a conflict that naturally can't end and can't have any permanent victories. The cycle of conflict can be broken by an outside force acting on it, and the Emperor was becoming that mutual threat/stabilizing element, and the Chaos Gods stopped fighting just long enough to bring him down together. When Big E was cut down, the Chaos Gods went back to the the Great Game, only occasionally putting some attention on realspace. An individual Chaos God does take swipes at the Imperium and Emperor, but in the end, it won't feel too torn up if that problem goes away and loses a persistent secondary threat, not when it's main three enemies are still around and right on its doorstep. Chaos's victory was hollow in that all Chaos did was preserve it's own status quo, it didn't evolve, unify, or change in any real meaningful way. Chaos is still getting stronger each day though, and one day it will overwhelm the Imperium and the rest of the forces still in realspace.



To boot the Imperial Council of Terra is portrayed as [[UnfortunateImplications horrifically racist]], openly planning the genoside of most of Earths racial minorities (predominatly Blacks, Asians, and those of middle eastern decent). The near overwhelming majority of seemingly exiled minorities live on off world colonies termed by the game itself as "Dark Worlds".

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To boot the Imperial Council of Terra is portrayed as [[UnfortunateImplications horrifically racist]], openly planning the genoside genocide of most of Earths racial minorities (predominatly Blacks, Asians, and those of middle eastern decent). The near overwhelming majority of seemingly exiled minorities live on off world colonies termed by the game itself as "Dark Worlds".
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Their first mass use of full-scale Warp engines led to the survivors acting rather oddly. It's a short step from there to embracing the Ruinous Powers.

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Their first mass use of full-scale Warp engines led to the survivors acting rather oddly. It's a short step from there to embracing the Ruinous Powers.Powers.

[[WMG: The Avatar of Khaine suffers from TheWorfEffect for actual reasons]]
There's a reason why the Eldar consider summoning the Avatar to be such a grave, weighty matter only to be done when the GodzillaThreshold has been crossed. It's the Eldar god of war and murder given physical form, and it not only will not but ''cannot'' give up fighting until it is killed. Even if the original conflict it was summoned for is long over, it will just keep on the warpath, leading a substantial proportion of the DyingRace that summoned it into one horrific meat grinder war after another until something ''finally'' manages to kill it. Some Farseers may consider the death (and return to dormancy) of their Avatar to be an acceptable loss after a while, and maneuver it into battles with foes that have a good chance of killing it just to get it over with.
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[[WMG: The the missing Primarchs are missing due to the Thunder Warriors.]]

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* Doesn't seem likely unless they reveal that The Great Rift opening up in the wrong directions is caused by War Zone Fenris's influence.
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* Could be a standard design given the Centurion armor.
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* A revived Guilliman spoke with the Emperor, unless the spirit is masquerading the Emperor probably jossed.
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The reason why the Tau get so many lucky breaks is because in the ancient past, their shamans realized the dangers of the galaxy and proceeded to sacrifice themselves into making a collective super-entity. This super-entity has been secretly shaping Tau society and subtly breeding them into a state of low psychic potential because either it fears being overthrown or considers the benefits of psykers to be too dangerous at this point in time and if it thinks psychic powers are beneficial in the long term, will reintroduce it at a time when being able to reshape reality using the Immaterium doesn't come with a decent chance of your brain becoming a literal door to hell. In any case, this Tau super-entity is guiding Tau history, occasionally intervening like introducing the Ethereals and causing a massive Warp Storm to not get purged to make way for Imperial colonists. The Tau super-entity does things a fair bit differently than the Emperor, possibly out of desperation because it doesn't have the same amount of time to do things like the Emperor did, has a different outlook, and may consider revealing itself at this time not beneficial to its plans.

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The reason why the Tau get so many lucky breaks is because in the ancient past, their shamans realized the dangers of the galaxy and proceeded to sacrifice themselves into making a collective super-entity. This super-entity has been secretly shaping Tau society and subtly breeding them into a state of low psychic potential because either it fears being overthrown or considers the benefits of psykers to be too dangerous at this point in time and if it thinks psychic powers are beneficial in the long term, will reintroduce it at a time when being able to reshape reality using the Immaterium doesn't come with a decent chance of your brain becoming a literal door to hell. In any case, this Tau super-entity is guiding Tau history, occasionally intervening like introducing the Ethereals and causing a massive Warp Storm to not get purged to make way for Imperial colonists. The Tau super-entity does things a fair bit differently than the Emperor, possibly out of desperation because it doesn't have the same amount of time to do things like the Emperor did, has a different outlook, and may consider revealing itself at this time not beneficial to its plans.plans.

[[WMG: There will eventually be Chaos Tau]]
Their first mass use of full-scale Warp engines led to the survivors acting rather oddly. It's a short step from there to embracing the Ruinous Powers.

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* The Thunder Warriors were culled by the Adeptus Custodes. The Emperor probably made the Custodes first, then after having an army of ageless SuperSoldier bodyguards, started mass-producing an army of barely-stable psychotic berserkers.



This theory opens up the possibility of other races creating their own [[GodEmperor God Emperors]]. The Necrons are out of the question because they have no Warp presence, and the Tyranid Hive Mind is already essentially a Warp deity, so if any demigod appeared in their species, it would be either absorbed or become subordinate to it. That leaves the Tau, which, who ''do'' have a weak Warp presence and are rather populous. Could a GodEmperor appear among their kind?

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This theory opens up the possibility of other races creating their own [[GodEmperor God Emperors]]. The Necrons are out of the question because they have no Warp presence, and the Tyranid Hive Mind is already essentially a Warp deity, so if any demigod appeared in their species, it would be either absorbed or become subordinate to it. That leaves the Tau, which, who ''do'' have a weak Warp presence and are rather populous. Could a GodEmperor appear among their kind?kind?

[[WMG: The Tau have their own Emperor-equivalent]]
The reason why the Tau get so many lucky breaks is because in the ancient past, their shamans realized the dangers of the galaxy and proceeded to sacrifice themselves into making a collective super-entity. This super-entity has been secretly shaping Tau society and subtly breeding them into a state of low psychic potential because either it fears being overthrown or considers the benefits of psykers to be too dangerous at this point in time and if it thinks psychic powers are beneficial in the long term, will reintroduce it at a time when being able to reshape reality using the Immaterium doesn't come with a decent chance of your brain becoming a literal door to hell. In any case, this Tau super-entity is guiding Tau history, occasionally intervening like introducing the Ethereals and causing a massive Warp Storm to not get purged to make way for Imperial colonists. The Tau super-entity does things a fair bit differently than the Emperor, possibly out of desperation because it doesn't have the same amount of time to do things like the Emperor did, has a different outlook, and may consider revealing itself at this time not beneficial to its plans.
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Seriously, the Hand of Dominion is understandable in light of the twin gauntlets that Marneus Calgar inherited from Guilliman to begin with, but the Aggressors and the Gravis-armored Captain ALSO having them make it look like he's got some kind of weird thing for it.

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Seriously, the Hand of Dominion is understandable in light of the twin gauntlets that Marneus Calgar inherited from Guilliman to begin with, but the Aggressors and the Gravis-armored Captain ALSO having them make it look like he's got some kind of weird thing for it.it.

[[WMG: The Eldar deities are not Warp entities like the Chaos Gods, but ascended mortals.]]
In general, the way Eldar gods act is not very consistent with other Warp beings. They can easily die, which would not make sense for [[{{Tulpa}} thoughtforms]], frequently interact with the mortal realm (like fighting the C'tan, who are explicitly material entities) and have relatively humane personalities compared to the StarfishAliens that generally inhabit the Warp. What if they were not natives of the Warp, but rather extremely powerful Eldar who ascended to godhood?

Consider this. The stories of the Emperor's origins, like him stealing power from the Chaos Gods or being created in a ritual by ancient shamans, are not considered to be definite canon anymore, so we do not know for sure where exactly he came from. However, we know that at least one race had a very similar individual: the Orks, who had their own demigod with incredible psychic power, [[TheBeastArises the Beast]]. About his origins, nothing is known ''at all''. We have precedence of powerful races (presumably populous and psychic enough to create a large presence in the Warp) inexplicably giving birth to GodEmperor figures.

Perhaps the creation of demigods is some sort of natural process in the Warp, caused by the collective psyker energies of mortals coalescing. If that is true, then the first race (other than the Old Ones) to undergo that process would be the Eldar, who would create their own equivalent of the Emperor and the Beast. These beings would be easily powerful enough to be considered gods, yet due to being born in the Materium, they would still have minds and bodies comparable to mortals - which is exactly what the Eldar gods are. Of course, due to their psychic power, they would be inherently tied to the Warp (much like the Emperor is able to create Living Saints and maintain the Astronomicon) and even able to enter it, especially in its calmer pre-Slaanesh state, which would explain them interacting with Warp entities.

The only problems I see with this theory are the myths of Eldar Gods creating the Eldar and Ynnead, which is an explicably Warp-based entity with no presence in the Materium. But then again, myths are not always true, and if the Eldar Gods were born while their race was still living in caves, and guided them throughout their early history (like the Emperor, but more overtly), the Eldar would basically see their origins that way - "We used to be primitive animals, and then the gods gave us wisdom and made us what they are now.". As for Ynnead, he seems to be a unique entity, so him being a Warp entity and all other Eldar gods being ascended mortals is plausible.

This theory opens up the possibility of other races creating their own [[GodEmperor God Emperors]]. The Necrons are out of the question because they have no Warp presence, and the Tyranid Hive Mind is already essentially a Warp deity, so if any demigod appeared in their species, it would be either absorbed or become subordinate to it. That leaves the Tau, which, who ''do'' have a weak Warp presence and are rather populous. Could a GodEmperor appear among their kind?
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In a few of the RPGs, Halo Artifacts are mentioned as strange devices that grant immortality to their wearers, with the caveat of warping their minds, bodies, and souls. Humans who use them at first are restored to their prime and enhanced, but slowly become inhuman creatures with alien minds and memories of strange civilizations, and an early side effect is occasional dreams of alien ruins under dead stars. These artifacts were forged by some strange civilization in the Halo Stars long before man walked the stars or perhaps even existed. Like most beings, these strange xenos likely feared death and went to great measures to avoid it. My theory is that select members created the Halo Devices to warp the body and mind of a victim until they were very similar to the creator of the device, using the restoration of the victim as a lure for the desperate and/or foolhardy. To make it work on most life however, they had to compromise on the exact effects, leading to the variations on the affected. The majority do not work on pyskers or those tainted by Chaos as the Warp has unpredictable effects and hosts alien intelligences of its own.

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In a few of the RPGs, [=RPGs=], Halo Artifacts are mentioned as strange devices that grant immortality to their wearers, with the caveat of warping their minds, bodies, and souls. Humans who use them at first are restored to their prime and enhanced, but slowly become inhuman creatures with alien minds and memories of strange civilizations, and an early side effect is occasional dreams of alien ruins under dead stars. These artifacts were forged by some strange civilization in the Halo Stars long before man walked the stars or perhaps even existed. Like most beings, these strange xenos likely feared death and went to great measures to avoid it. My theory is that select members created the Halo Devices to warp the body and mind of a victim until they were very similar to the creator of the device, using the restoration of the victim as a lure for the desperate and/or foolhardy. To make it work on most life however, they had to compromise on the exact effects, leading to the variations on the affected. The majority do not work on pyskers or those tainted by Chaos as the Warp has unpredictable effects and hosts alien intelligences of its own.
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Who are all alive at the same time, and are all capable if independent action. His backstory suggests that he was both Abraham Lincoln and Napoleon Bonaparte. This would normally be impossible-they where alive concurrently, and someone would have noticed a double-life scenario. This must mean that he can become more than one person at once. Its possible that part of him still exists, either actively shaping the galaxy or biding his time.

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Who are all alive at the same time, and are all capable if independent action. His backstory suggests that he was both Abraham Lincoln and Napoleon Bonaparte. This would normally be impossible-they where alive concurrently, and someone would have noticed a double-life scenario. This must mean that he can become more than one person at once. Its possible that part of him still exists, either actively shaping the galaxy or biding his time.time.

[[WMG: Bellisarius Cawl has a weird fetish for mounting guns on power fists]]
Seriously, the Hand of Dominion is understandable in light of the twin gauntlets that Marneus Calgar inherited from Guilliman to begin with, but the Aggressors and the Gravis-armored Captain ALSO having them make it look like he's got some kind of weird thing for it.
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In a few of the RPGs, Halo Artifacts are mentioned as strange devices that grant immortality to their wearers, with the caveat of warping their minds, bodies, and souls. Humans who use them at first are restored to their prime and enhanced, but slowly become inhuman creatures with alien minds and memories of strange civilizations, and an early side effect is occasional dreams of alien ruins under dead stars. These artifacts were forged by some strange civilization in the Halo Stars long before man walked the stars or perhaps even existed. Like most beings, these strange xenos likely feared death and went to great measures to avoid it. My theory is that select members created the Halo Devices to warp the body and mind of a victim until they were very similar to the creator of the device, using the restoration of the victim as a lure for the desperate and/or foolhardy. To make it work on most life however, they had to compromise on the exact effects, leading to the variations on the affected. The majority do not work on pyskers or those tainted by Chaos as the Warp has unpredictable effects and hosts alien intelligences of its own.

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In a few of the RPGs, Halo Artifacts are mentioned as strange devices that grant immortality to their wearers, with the caveat of warping their minds, bodies, and souls. Humans who use them at first are restored to their prime and enhanced, but slowly become inhuman creatures with alien minds and memories of strange civilizations, and an early side effect is occasional dreams of alien ruins under dead stars. These artifacts were forged by some strange civilization in the Halo Stars long before man walked the stars or perhaps even existed. Like most beings, these strange xenos likely feared death and went to great measures to avoid it. My theory is that select members created the Halo Devices to warp the body and mind of a victim until they were very similar to the creator of the device, using the restoration of the victim as a lure for the desperate and/or foolhardy. To make it work on most life however, they had to compromise on the exact effects, leading to the variations on the affected. The majority do not work on pyskers or those tainted by Chaos as the Warp has unpredictable effects and hosts alien intelligences of its own.own.

[[WMG: The Emperor can split himself up into multiple people]]
Who are all alive at the same time, and are all capable if independent action. His backstory suggests that he was both Abraham Lincoln and Napoleon Bonaparte. This would normally be impossible-they where alive concurrently, and someone would have noticed a double-life scenario. This must mean that he can become more than one person at once. Its possible that part of him still exists, either actively shaping the galaxy or biding his time.

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* Alpharius Omegon received the Emperor’s mind, which made them scheming bastards par excellence, but also [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex made them think that they were right all the time and that they were better than everybody else.]]

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* Alpharius Omegon received the Emperor’s mind, which made them scheming bastards par excellence, but also [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex made them think that they were right all the time and that they were better than everybody else.]]]]
[[WMG: The Halo Artifacts are intended as immortality devices for their creators.]]
In a few of the RPGs, Halo Artifacts are mentioned as strange devices that grant immortality to their wearers, with the caveat of warping their minds, bodies, and souls. Humans who use them at first are restored to their prime and enhanced, but slowly become inhuman creatures with alien minds and memories of strange civilizations, and an early side effect is occasional dreams of alien ruins under dead stars. These artifacts were forged by some strange civilization in the Halo Stars long before man walked the stars or perhaps even existed. Like most beings, these strange xenos likely feared death and went to great measures to avoid it. My theory is that select members created the Halo Devices to warp the body and mind of a victim until they were very similar to the creator of the device, using the restoration of the victim as a lure for the desperate and/or foolhardy. To make it work on most life however, they had to compromise on the exact effects, leading to the variations on the affected. The majority do not work on pyskers or those tainted by Chaos as the Warp has unpredictable effects and hosts alien intelligences of its own.
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*** Remember, he only did that after the society he painstakingly created via manipulating society basically crashed and burned around him.
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*** You're wrong, he is actually an example of mankind if we had evolved as the Old Ones did, which does make him a superpowerful Psyker, but also a nascent Warp Entity.
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Because it's too perfect and too ''Tzeentch'' to not be the case. War Zone Fenris appears fairly pointedly to ''not'' be related to Abaddon's current Black Crusade; methinks that the possible destruction of Fenris - or at least sending the Wolves packing - will place them in line to help hold off the Crusade from the greater Imperium. After all, a world where Chaos wins is one Tzeentch is likely to consider stagnant and dull, and that doesn't tie with how he likes to play his games. And it would be be so very like him to even screw over the Legion that are begrudgingly in his service.

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Because it's too perfect and too ''Tzeentch'' to not be the case. War Zone Fenris appears fairly pointedly to ''not'' be related to Abaddon's current Black Crusade; methinks that the possible destruction of Fenris - or at least sending the Wolves packing - will place them in line to help hold off the Crusade from the greater Imperium. After all, a world where Chaos wins is one Tzeentch is likely to consider stagnant and dull, and that doesn't tie with how he likes to play his games. And it would be be so very like him to even screw over the Legion that are begrudgingly in his service.service.

[[WMG: The Primarchs as positive and negative aspects of the Emperor]]
It has been well established that the Primarchs have all been imbued with some aspect of the Emperor’s Personality, but the debate on just which parts continues to rage. Here are my thoughts on just what parts of the Emperor each Primarch got, and why they suffered when they didn’t have the other aspects to balance them out.
* The Lion received the Emperor’s honor, which made him level-headed enough to be a tactical genius as well as diplomatic and sincere enough to lead men effectively. Unfortunately, [[HonorBeforeReason this also gave him a personality flaw which made him make questionable decisions on occasion.]]
* Fulgrim received the Emperor’s desire, which made him seek perfection in all things and gave him the capacity to appreciate the beauty in things others would consider hideous. Unfortunately, [[SenseFreak wanting to push his own boundaries made him susceptible to doing questionable things in order to do so.]]
* Perturabo received the Emperor’s creativity, which made him seek democracy and diplomacy as alternatives to rule of force and warfare, and made him a genius architect. Unfortunately, [[AlwaysSomeoneBetter daddy didn’t want a diplomat, and forcing him to be a siege engine gave him an inferiority complex to Dorn, as nothing he was forced to build could ever be as good as something Dorn was made to build.]]
* The Khan received the Emperor’s wanderlust, which made him an ideal crusader as he always wanted to see what was beyond the next horizon. Unfortunately, [[AloofAlly he didn’t care too terribly much about his brothers and their problems, as those things only served to keep him from moving forward.]]
* Leman Russ received the Emperor’s instincts, which made him handy in a tight spot and able to see to the heart of a matter. Unfortunately, [[HotBlooded this left him relying less on rational thought, which resulted in his charging into places without contemplating why.]]
* Rogal Dorn received the Emperor’s fortitude, which made him psychologically stable enough to withstand just about everything that could be thrown at him. Unfortunately, [[BrutalHonesty this stability made him utterly inable to use tact, as his mind just wasn’t flexible enough in social situations to realize its benefit.]]
* Konrad Kurze received the Emperor’s insight, which made him understand human psychology and gave him his visions of the future. Unfortunately, [[BlessedWithSuck understanding the psychology of humans combined with his ability to predict the future made him something of a neurotic mess who sought to impose order on the chaos through whatever means were necessary.]]
* Sanguinius received the Emperor’s compassion, which made him probably the most likeable Primarch and gave him an appreciation for the humans he was supposed to be championing. Unfortunately, [[TheFarmerAndTheViper this left him unable to destroy a once dearly beloved foe, and led directly to his fall.]]
* Ferrus Manus received the Emperor’s diligence, which made him extremely hard-working and efficient at the tasks he set his hands to. Unfortunately, [[{{Workaholic}} this made him distant from all but very few of his brothers, and prevented him from curtailing the cybernetic excesses of his Legion.]]
* Angron received the Emperor’s courage, which made him able to stand against insurmountable odds when he knew the cause was right. Unfortunately, [[UnstoppableRage that same courage turned into recklessness when combined with the Butcher’s Nails, leading him down a path of unrelenting fury and bloodshed.]]
* Guilliman received the Emperor’s patience, which made him able to think long-term and create vast strategies which are still in use in the 41st millenium. Unfortunately, [[InsufferableGenius he came off as egotistical to those of lesser patience (that is, everyone else) and his tendency for detailed planning left him holding the bag when unexpected events occurred.]]
* Mortarion received the Emperor’s self-reliance, which made him the toughest, strongest SOB out of all of the Primarchs as a rule. Unfortunately, [[SocialDarwinist he considered anyone not strong enough to make do on their own less than human, and he extended this thought to anyone who used the Warp to accomplish things, making him view the Emperor as a hypocrite.]]
* Magnus received the Emperor’s curiousity, which made him eager to study and learn all that he could about everything. Unfortunately, [[ThingsManWasNotMeantToKnow this is Warhammer 40K.]]
* Horus received the Emperor’s ambition, which made him the ideal Warmaster to take the Emperor’s dreams to the stars. Unfortunately, [[AttentionWhore one cannot have ambition without a certain amount of vanity, without believing that the things you’re striving for are, in a sense, owed to you. Horus loved the adoration he received for being Warmaster, and couldn’t conceive of his father’s vision of an Imperium which didn’t need him or his brothers as leaders anymore, leading him to oppose the Emperor in an effort to claim all the glory all the time.]] Much is made of how seemingly easy it was for Horus to be convinced to side with Chaos, but in truth all the Ruinous Powers did was provide him with backup and “justification” for what he really wanted to do anyway.
* Lorgar received the Emperor’s faith, which, as the Emperor’s weakest and most repressed personality trait, made him the physically weakest Primarch, but the one who had the most potential for empathy. Unfortunately, [[CreateYourOwnVillain the Emperor wanted nothing to do with faith and refused to acknowledge that humanity needed some level of belief in a higher order, thus setting up Lorgar to be the instrument of his downfall.]]
* Vulkan received the Emperor’s humanity, which made him the Primarch most concerned with the little people and an absolute beast when it came to defending them. Unfortunately, [[JustTheFirstCitizen he didn’t really believe that he was actually worthy of commanding people, and thus while a good commander, he was too kind-hearted for war.]]
* Corax received the Emperor’s romanticism, which made him into the quintessential Underdog who used guerilla tactics and small, elite forces to bring justice to larger, stronger forces of evil. Unfortunately, [[CrapsackWorld this is 40K.]]
*Alpharius Omegon received the Emperor’s mind, which made them scheming bastards par excellence, but also [[InferioritySuperiorityComplex made them think that they were right all the time and that they were better than everybody else.]]
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\n** No, being the guy in front doing things is exactly the God-Emperor's MO. He possesses massive charisma sufficient to charm basically anybody, so the more candid depictions of him in HH should be taken as just him letting his guard down around people he was comfortable with. If anything, Malcador would be Judas, as being the man behind the man is literally his entire schtick. We're talking about the guy who founded the Administratum and what would become the Inquisition.
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He creates 20 genetically modified near clones of himself whom he calls his "sons" and for paranoid reasons that his "enemies" were out to get him scatters them across across the galaxy. Meanwhile the "Emperor" goes about creating a NorthKorea like Orwellian society along with a religious cult of personality with his most fanatical followers declaring him "God Emperor".

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He creates 20 genetically modified near clones of himself whom he calls his "sons" and for paranoid reasons that his "enemies" were out to get him scatters them across across the galaxy. Meanwhile the "Emperor" goes about creating a NorthKorea UsefulNotes/NorthKorea like Orwellian society along with a religious cult of personality with his most fanatical followers declaring him "God Emperor".

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