Follow TV Tropes

Following

History WMG / Wanted

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** On a more cynical note, perhaps it results in the supervillains simply fading away and the world becoming even more like ours?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Consider this, in 2011 [[Comicbook/{{New52}} the DCU got rebooted]] and the following year Marvel updated their titles (but not continuity) now since the Fraternity is a mix of both the DC and Marvel universes, perhaps some plan enacted by the Batman expy before he died or some higher force causes their warp to be undone...and then a modernized version of their past comes into existence. I don't really know what it's be like but I'm pretty sure Wesley would survive since he is their version of {{Deadpool}} and all.

to:

Consider this, in 2011 [[Comicbook/{{New52}} the DCU got rebooted]] and the following year Marvel updated their titles (but not continuity) now since the Fraternity is a mix of both the DC and Marvel universes, perhaps some plan enacted by the Batman expy before he died or some higher force causes their warp to be undone...and then a modernized version of their past comes into existence. I don't really know what it's be like but I'm pretty sure Wesley would survive since he is their version of {{Deadpool}} ComicBook/{{Deadpool}} and all.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: The man who killed Fox's father will be the film's version of Mr. Rictus.]]

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** The bullet rewind showed what happened ''before'' Wesley shot Sloan; he chronologically broke the fourth wall, ''then'' shot Sloan. I don't understand the confusion.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Not only she cheated on him, but she also ratted him out to the cops. Can't see Wesley letting her live after that.

to:

Not only she cheated on him, but she also ratted him out to the cops. Can't see Wesley letting her live after that.
that. This is a guy who would kill anyone who irks him. If she is not dead, then she will be killed sometime in the future.

Added: 179

Changed: 2

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Unlike the other actions involving other characters, we never actually see it happen, it's just a bit of his inner monologue. And when he leaves her, she doesn't admit anything, and neither does when speaking about the corpse of Wesley's best friend. We know, however, that Wesley has an enormous and delusional sense of entitlement (he claims that he should be a millionare, despite not displaying any skill or motivation that'd justify that except for his massive ego). Most likely, she just wasn't that much into sex, [[Main/{{Irony}} or believed that Wesley didn't like it that much]] (we actually see that him doesn't take any initiative or lets his desires being known), and elaborated the most otrageous excuse he could think of to avoid doubting his actions.

to:

Unlike the other actions involving other characters, we never actually see it happen, it's just a bit of his inner monologue. And when he leaves her, she doesn't admit anything, and neither does when speaking about the corpse of Wesley's best friend. We know, however, that Wesley has an enormous and delusional sense of entitlement (he claims that he should be a millionare, millionaire, despite not displaying any skill or motivation that'd justify that except for his massive ego). Most likely, she just wasn't that much into sex, [[Main/{{Irony}} or believed that Wesley didn't like it that much]] (we actually see that him doesn't take any initiative or lets his desires being known), and elaborated the most otrageous outrageous excuse he could think of to avoid doubting his actions.


Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: Wesley's girlfriend is dead after the fight with Rictus]]
Not only she cheated on him, but she also ratted him out to the cops. Can't see Wesley letting her live after that.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Or potentially, as the Fox is half a decade or older than Wesley, She may go first, leaving him in a similar place to his father before he met Fox & Wesley's mother, thus starting the cycle anew.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Seems more like something Slim would dream, honestly.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

** More specifically, the full story as detailed [[https://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/08/06/mark-millar-explains-how-all-the-millarworld-books-tie-in-together-wanted-kick-ass-jupiters-legacy-superior-nemesis-mph-supercrooks-and-more-but-no-news-yet-on-the-unfunnies/ here]] is thus: ''Wanted'' explains how superheroes were real until they were defeated in 1986 and all of reality altered to erase their memory and existence, with surviving supers existing as depowered actors (a shot of a man in a wheelchair implies that Christopher Reeves was actually Superman and that Burt Ward and Adam West were truly Batman and Robin) with the only traces of their existence being superhero "fiction" and a token relic held by The Professor that's supposed to be Superman's cape...but this cape is actually Jupiter's from ''Jupiter's Legacy'', the true FlyingBrick superhero; it turns out Superman and all others like him were fictional all this time and just attempts to remember Jupiter. ''Kick-Ass'' takes place in this world without heroes who loves superhero fiction so much he decides to be one himself. He's the tipping point, and a chain reaction ensues where the rise of one hero increases the odds of others appearing, and so on, with actual super-powered individuals beginning to appear. The first of these is ''Nemesis'' with ''MPH'' being referenced as well. ''Superior'' comes last. Mark stresses that there's many more connections with other books and stories, but that all of them can be read as self-contained.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: Time for some Wild Math Guessing: How many supervillains and heroes were there?]]
In issue #2 it's mentioned that there were "thousands" of super-criminals while in issue #4 its mentioned that at the height of the olden days there were 22 villains for every hero. It is also mentioned that there was a superhero for every major US and European city. Issue #2 also contrasts the thousands figure with a rogue gallery size of 10 or 12. The tone suggests this was a common number, and a good step down from the stated peak ratio of 22:1. The only question is what "thousands" means. Based on the major city line, we could quite reasonably presume there was at least one superhero for every US state (assuming a state capitol would qualify as a major city) and at least one for every European country. For 50 states and around 50 countries this comes out to 100 heroes for a minimum of 2,000 villains (any less and there wouldn't be a hero for every major city or "thousands" of villains). It is also worth nothing that a huge part of the Wanted setting is that superheroes were real and that comic characters (or at least sufficiently-close expies of them) were all real. Many characters in Wanted are clearly meant to be a reference to actual DC and Marvel characters, so quick search for lists of their villains comes to around 700 for DC and around 1,300 for Marvel. Combine the two and you get...2,000. A quick search for a list of DC heroes gets about 250 names and around 950 names for Marvel. 2,000 villains to 1,200 heroes doesn't seem right, but nonetheless we can choose either; either calculate villains from heroes or heroes from villains. The hero villain numbers could not have been lower than 100:2,000, while being no higher than 1,200:26,400. If you want to have a golden mean you'll get 650:14,200.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: It's all an elaborate fantasy/daydream/dying hallucination/whatever]]
I'm shocked this isn't here yet but when you have a story about an ordinary person with a crappy life suddenly becoming the center of attention it's practical obligatory. However, here it's actually fairly plausible because the last line of internal dialogue before he's recruited in the restaurant is "Why am I twenty-four years old and popping more pills than your average octogenarian?". Our protagonist is not the heir to a supervillanious legacy but rather living out a far more exciting life as he overdoses in a bathroom. As for the super-funeral before this scene...well, maybe that was a daydream?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Throughout the comic, numerous paralells to Marvel and DC comic books are made. For example, many of The Fraternity's members are {{Expies}} of villains from either continuity: The Emperor is obviously [[IronMan The Mandarin]], Fuckwit is supposed to be Bizzarro, [[MeaningfulName Johnny Two-Dicks]] is The Ventriloquist, Mister Rictus is The Joker, and so on. Additionally, several Fraternity agents bear an uncanny resemblance to [[SpiderMan The Headsman]], Darkseid, Reverse Flash, and Venom. When the Professor shows Wesley his secret, it's obviously supposed to be Superman's cape, and someone who is implied to be Superman himself is seen confined to a wheelchair. If that's not enough, the comic also makes reference to seven-dimensional imps, [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} level nine intelligences]], and the two actors Rictus killed are more or less outright named as Batman and Robin (especially considering how he taunts them as they die). Additionally, in the pile of bodies shown in the flashback to the war between the heroes and villains, characters resembling The Hulk, Wolverine, and The Thing can be seen.

to:

Throughout the comic, numerous paralells to Marvel and DC comic books are made. For example, many of The Fraternity's members are {{Expies}} of villains from either continuity: The Emperor is obviously [[IronMan The Mandarin]], Fuckwit is supposed to be Bizzarro, [[MeaningfulName Johnny Two-Dicks]] is The Ventriloquist, Mister Rictus is The Joker, and so on. Additionally, several Fraternity agents bear an uncanny resemblance to [[SpiderMan The Headsman]], Darkseid, Reverse Flash, and Venom. When the Professor shows Wesley his secret, it's obviously supposed to be Superman's cape, and someone who is implied to be Superman himself is seen confined to a wheelchair. If that's not enough, the comic also makes reference to seven-dimensional imps, [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} [[ComicBook/XMen level nine intelligences]], and the two actors Rictus killed are more or less outright named as Batman and Robin (especially considering how he taunts them as they die). Additionally, in the pile of bodies shown in the flashback to the war between the heroes and villains, characters resembling The Hulk, Wolverine, and The Thing can be seen.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
fixing links


Well, they ''did'' in the original timeline. But then they rewrote reality, erasing the heroes from existence, but leaving themselves as supervillains. Thus, the SuperheroParadox still applies (althought, it's inverted). The superhereos didn't stop to exist, they just shifted to other people, waiting for the villains to break TheMasquerade and allow them to emerge. Let's think about that poor kid: if Rictus' hopes come true, he'll grow up training to avenge the murder of his parents, shot in front of his eyes, in a dark alley, by an unknown criminal. [[Franchise/Batman Sounds familiar?]]

to:

Well, they ''did'' in the original timeline. But then they rewrote reality, erasing the heroes from existence, but leaving themselves as supervillains. Thus, the SuperheroParadox still applies (althought, it's inverted). The superhereos didn't stop to exist, they just shifted to other people, waiting for the villains to break TheMasquerade and allow them to emerge. Let's think about that poor kid: if Rictus' hopes come true, he'll grow up training to avenge the murder of his parents, shot in front of his eyes, in a dark alley, by an unknown criminal. [[Franchise/Batman [[Franchise/{{Batman}} Sounds familiar?]]



Unlike the other actions involving other characters, we never actually see it happen, it's just a bit of his inner monologue. And when he leaves her, she doesn't admit anything, and neither does when speaking about the corpse of Wesley's best friend. We know, however, that Wesley has an enormous and delusional sense of entitlement (he claims that he should be a millionare, despite not displaying any skill or motivation that'd justify that except for his massive ego). Most likely, she just wasn't that much into sex, [[Main/Irony or believed that Wesley didn't like it that much]] (we actually see that him doesn't take any initiative or lets his desires being known), and elaborated the most otrageous excuse he could think of to avoid doubting his actions.

to:

Unlike the other actions involving other characters, we never actually see it happen, it's just a bit of his inner monologue. And when he leaves her, she doesn't admit anything, and neither does when speaking about the corpse of Wesley's best friend. We know, however, that Wesley has an enormous and delusional sense of entitlement (he claims that he should be a millionare, despite not displaying any skill or motivation that'd justify that except for his massive ego). Most likely, she just wasn't that much into sex, [[Main/Irony [[Main/{{Irony}} or believed that Wesley didn't like it that much]] (we actually see that him doesn't take any initiative or lets his desires being known), and elaborated the most otrageous excuse he could think of to avoid doubting his actions.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


At first, some of them wanted to protect the innocent and fight criminals (albeit to score women or money), but they eventually got sick and tired of it. Like Wesley, they learned the hard way that people can be ungrateful a-holes. Plus, saving people and plugging up volcanoes can be stressful, just ask Tony from Irredeemable. They find being a costume villain to be a lot easier and fun. They are free to cut loose. No longer they have to put on a "goody two-shoes" facade.

to:

At first, some of them wanted to protect the innocent and fight criminals (albeit to score women or and money), but they eventually got sick and tired of it. Like Wesley, they learned the hard way that people can be ungrateful a-holes. Plus, saving people and plugging up volcanoes can be stressful, just ask Tony from Irredeemable. They find being a costume villain to be a lot easier and fun. They are free to cut loose. No longer they have to put on a "goody two-shoes" facade.facade, and pretend to be nice to the citizens.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: Some of the villains started out as "super heroes"]]
At first, some of them wanted to protect the innocent and fight criminals (albeit to score women or money), but they eventually got sick and tired of it. Like Wesley, they learned the hard way that people can be ungrateful a-holes. Plus, saving people and plugging up volcanoes can be stressful, just ask Tony from Irredeemable. They find being a costume villain to be a lot easier and fun. They are free to cut loose. No longer they have to put on a "goody two-shoes" facade.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: Wesley will convince Fox to kill him when he gets too old]]
Like his father, when Wesley gets too old to be a super villain, he will tell Fox to kill him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


He's dreaming about a super hero universe where he's banging Halle Berry in skin tight leather, and Tommy Lee Jones is his cool father.

to:

He's dreaming about a super hero universe where he's banging Halle Berry in skin tight leather, Berry, and Tommy Lee Jones is his cool father.
father.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[WMG: Fox is 38 or 39 years old]]
Wesley, his dad, and Fox's likenesses are based on Eminem, Tommy Lee Jones, and Halle Berry. Fox was the same age as Halle Berry at the time the first issue came out. It makes sense for her to be in her late 30s since Wesley was a kid when she was sleeping with his father. She was probably around 17-20 years old when she met the original Killer.


to:

[[WMG: Fox Eminem is 38 or 39 years old]]
Wesley, his dad, and Fox's likenesses are based on Eminem, Tommy Lee Jones, and Halle Berry. Fox was the same age as
dreaming all of this]]
He's dreaming about a super hero universe where he's banging
Halle Berry at the time the first issue came out. It makes sense for her to be in her late 30s since Wesley was a kid when she was sleeping with skin tight leather, and Tommy Lee Jones is his father. She was probably around 17-20 years old when she met the original Killer.

cool father.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Wesley, his dad, and Fox's likenesses are based on Eminem, Tommy Lee Jones, and Halle Berry. Fox was the same age as Halle Berry at the time the first issue came out. It makes sense for her to be in her late 30s since Wesley was a kid when she was sleeping with his father.


to:

Wesley, his dad, and Fox's likenesses are based on Eminem, Tommy Lee Jones, and Halle Berry. Fox was the same age as Halle Berry at the time the first issue came out. It makes sense for her to be in her late 30s since Wesley was a kid when she was sleeping with his father. She was probably around 17-20 years old when she met the original Killer.

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: Fox is 38 or 39 years old]]
Wesley, his dad, and Fox's likenesses are based on Eminem, Tommy Lee Jones, and Halle Berry. Fox was the same age as Halle Berry at the time the first issue came out. It makes sense for her to be in her late 30s since Wesley was a kid when she was sleeping with his father.

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

* Alternatively, some supervillains simply stole the equipment of the heroes that they killed, and some may have even somehow gained the powers of the heroes that they killed.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


[[WMG: The Kid gets revenge.]]

to:

[[WMG: The Kid kid Rictus orphaned gets revenge.revenge and becomes the first of a new generation of superheroes.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


What if Rictus was right and the kid he orphaned did train himself up for revenge? What if he chose to take out the Fraternity once he learned his revenge was denied...and then expose the entire Fraternity and bring back superheroes? Personally I'd pay Millar to write a sequel where something similar happens...or even a crossover story where Hit Girl takes out the Fraternity for some reason, either way both stories are ones that'd be great in my opinion. That kid has HeroOfADifferentStory written all over him.

to:

What if Rictus was right and the kid he orphaned did train himself up for revenge? What if he chose to take out the Fraternity once he learned his revenge was denied...and then expose the entire Fraternity and bring back superheroes? Personally I'd pay Millar to write a sequel where something similar happens...or even a crossover story where Hit Girl takes out the Fraternity for some reason, either way both stories are ones that'd be great in my opinion. That kid has HeroOfADifferentStory HeroOfAnotherStory written all over him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None





What if Rictus was right and the kid he orphaned did train himself up for revenge? But chose to take out the Fraternity once he learned his revenge was denied...and then expose the entire Fraternity and bring back superheroes? Personally I'd pay Millar to write a sequel where something similar happens...or if Hit Girl chose to take out the Fraternity for some reason, either way both stories are ones that'd be great in my opinion.

to:

What if Rictus was right and the kid he orphaned did train himself up for revenge? But What if he chose to take out the Fraternity once he learned his revenge was denied...and then expose the entire Fraternity and bring back superheroes? Personally I'd pay Millar to write a sequel where something similar happens...or if even a crossover story where Hit Girl chose to take takes out the Fraternity for some reason, either way both stories are ones that'd be great in my opinion.
opinion. That kid has HeroOfADifferentStory written all over him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


Throughout the comic, numerous paralells to Marvel and DC comic books are made. For example, many of The Fraternity's members are {{Expies}} of villains from either continuity: The Emperor is obviously [[IronMan The Mandarin]], Fuckwit is supposed to be Bizzarro, [[MeaningfulName Johnny Two-Dicks]] is The Ventriloquist, Mister Rictus is The Joker, and so on. Additionally, several Fraternity agents bear an uncanny resemblance to [[SpiderMan The Headsman]], Darkseid, Reverse Flash, and Venom. When the Professor shows Wesley his secret, it's obviously supposed to be Superman's cape, and someone who is implied to be Superman himself is seen confined to a wheelchair. If that's not enough, the comic also makes reference to seven-dimensional imps, [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} level nine intelligences]], and the two actors Rictus killed are more or less outright named as Batman and Robin (especially considering how he taunts them as they die).

to:

Throughout the comic, numerous paralells to Marvel and DC comic books are made. For example, many of The Fraternity's members are {{Expies}} of villains from either continuity: The Emperor is obviously [[IronMan The Mandarin]], Fuckwit is supposed to be Bizzarro, [[MeaningfulName Johnny Two-Dicks]] is The Ventriloquist, Mister Rictus is The Joker, and so on. Additionally, several Fraternity agents bear an uncanny resemblance to [[SpiderMan The Headsman]], Darkseid, Reverse Flash, and Venom. When the Professor shows Wesley his secret, it's obviously supposed to be Superman's cape, and someone who is implied to be Superman himself is seen confined to a wheelchair. If that's not enough, the comic also makes reference to seven-dimensional imps, [[ComicBook/{{X-Men}} level nine intelligences]], and the two actors Rictus killed are more or less outright named as Batman and Robin (especially considering how he taunts them as they die). Additionally, in the pile of bodies shown in the flashback to the war between the heroes and villains, characters resembling The Hulk, Wolverine, and The Thing can be seen.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None



to:

**Confirmed via word of god.




to:

**Confirmed
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Added a WMG

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: The members of The Fraternity are renegade [[NightWatch Others]].]]
This is obvious, what with the movie being directed by Timur Bekmambetov and starring [[Creator/KonstantinKhabensky Konstantin Khabensky]]. They are disillusioned from the policy of the Watches, so they forgo the usual Watch terminology to differentiate themselves from the mainline Others and call the Twilight "adrenaline time". In some way they severed themselves from the Twilight proper and need objects or contraptions to awake their powers (guns, the wax-like bath, knives). Only the most proficient assassins are Others and capable of physics-defying feats, the rest are just trained humans who may or may not know about their employers. Sloan is a powerful Light Other who, like many Light and Dark Others before him, believed he could change the world by affecting humans. Anton Gorodetskiy was sent by the Night Watch masqueraded as human (none of the Fraternity are Great Others, so none of them can see through the disguise) and faked his own death to suggest a crucial strategy to Wesley, the explosive mice.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* Sloan actually send each of them in some really immoral mission to make their name appear. Wether their name actually appeared wasn't relevant, he only needed it to plausible (since they couldn't tell if it was a name that actually came out or not, and there would have been a good reason for it to appear, ignoring the name would still have marked them as NotSoDifferent even if the name was actually a fabbrication).


Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: Sloan's name appearing didn't start his villany, but caused him to step up the game]]
He was already using the Fraternity's resources for his own gain, but tried to at least keep a low profile. Then his name came out, and he saw he could actually ignore and fake the name that came out of the Loom and get away with it. Having been forced to take the step he didn't dare to before, he decided to go all in, and dragged the Fraternity in his plan.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: Wesley's girlfriend never cheated on him]]
Unlike the other actions involving other characters, we never actually see it happen, it's just a bit of his inner monologue. And when he leaves her, she doesn't admit anything, and neither does when speaking about the corpse of Wesley's best friend. We know, however, that Wesley has an enormous and delusional sense of entitlement (he claims that he should be a millionare, despite not displaying any skill or motivation that'd justify that except for his massive ego). Most likely, she just wasn't that much into sex, [[Main/Irony or believed that Wesley didn't like it that much]] (we actually see that him doesn't take any initiative or lets his desires being known), and elaborated the most otrageous excuse he could think of to avoid doubting his actions.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

[[WMG: The villain didn't actually eliminate the heroes]]
Well, they ''did'' in the original timeline. But then they rewrote reality, erasing the heroes from existence, but leaving themselves as supervillains. Thus, the SuperheroParadox still applies (althought, it's inverted). The superhereos didn't stop to exist, they just shifted to other people, waiting for the villains to break TheMasquerade and allow them to emerge. Let's think about that poor kid: if Rictus' hopes come true, he'll grow up training to avenge the murder of his parents, shot in front of his eyes, in a dark alley, by an unknown criminal. [[Franchise/Batman Sounds familiar?]]

Top