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\n*** Ah but here's the rub, it was arguably much better to [[OffingTheOffspring kill off]] [[TheCaligula said son]] and said [[ToxicFriendInfluence sycophants]]/[[TheCorrupter manipulators]] that way rather then let them ascend to absolute power after Ezar's death. Hundreds or thousands probably died as a result of that military misadventure; but plausibly more, by one or two orders of magnitude, would have been killed in the first few of years (if not the within just the first) of Emperor Serg's reign. That almost certainly would have included non-Barayarans as well, as Serg was already expansionist if for no other reason than to serve his own ego and that would not have changed. Furthermore, if anything was going to eventually stoke a wide-scale rebellion by Komarr, being subject to the whims of an egomanical, depraved, sadist with absolute power probably would be it. Emperor Ezar was in no way a [[MagnificentBastard conventionally good man,]] but [[PragmaticVillainy he of all people]] [[EvenEvilHasStandards recognized]] what a disaster his son succeeding him would be for the Vorbarra line, Barrayar, as well as Kormarr and the neighboring systems (although Ezar probably didn't worry that much about the latter).





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** Although I very much doubt there is anything like a constitutionally protected free press on Barrayar; I'm sure there was some form of news media by the time of Aral's regency and it continued into Gregor's reign. However, there was almost certainly a significant amount of influence the central Barayarran government could put at least the primary news outlets, and allowing such lurid speculation to run rampant would not serve Emperor Gregor politically nor sit well with his personal affection for Miles (and that's setting aside the fact that in this case Gregor would know the truth that Miles had nothing to do with Tien's death other than being a helpless witness, even though the whole thing is a state secret).
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* Only because Poitr refused to give his name to Miles.
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I was wondering why there is no media on Barrayar.

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[[WMG: Why is there no media on Barrayar?]]

No, seriously. No reporters are ever mentioned, nobody seems to be watching some equivalent of television on a down night. Imagine ''A Civil Campaign'' where tabloids were blasting that Miles killed Tien to woo Ekaterin--how is this not happening on Barrayar?

My best guess: blame it on Mad Emperor Yuri? Maybe he banned media?
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Response to Ezar engineering the massacre.



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** Discussed (and possibly Jossed?) in-series, in Komarr. After being needled about his father secretly planning the massacre by a Komarran conspiracy theorist, and giving that notion a resounding rebuttal, said theorist backpedals onto Ezar as a possible plotter; Miles agrees that Ezar was quite likely ruthless enough, but counters that even laying aside all moral considerations, the Massacre was supremely ''wasteful'', something no-one has ever accused Ezar of being. Of course, this is Miles' opinion rather than fact.
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** Except Ezar explicitly made Aral regent because Aral had absolutely no desire to rule, and Ezar knew him since Aral was a child. It's more likely that Ezar had Negri cover up Aral's duels.
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[[WMG: The Komarran Massacre was secretly engineered by Emperor Ezar to smear Aral Vorkosigan.]]

* Ezar knew that it would make Komarr more restive, not less, but he was more worried about Aral. Ezar was afraid that Aral's policies would produce a planetary BecauseYouWereNiceToMe, giving Aral a political power base on Komarr.
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* It is also not impossible that sometimes people do not follow all traditions slavishly.[[note]]...Says the guy who followed a Jewish tradition and named both his daughters after deceased relatives; in this case, great-grandparents.[[/note]] Note, as a non-random example, that the main protagonist of the series is not named Piotr Miles.

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* It is also not impossible that sometimes people do not follow all traditions slavishly.[[note]]...Says the guy troper who followed a Jewish tradition and named both his daughters after deceased relatives; in this case, great-grandparents.[[/note]] Note, as a non-random example, that the main protagonist of the series is not named Piotr Miles.
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Not everybody follows every tradition every time.



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* It is also not impossible that sometimes people do not follow all traditions slavishly.[[note]]...Says the guy who followed a Jewish tradition and named both his daughters after deceased relatives; in this case, great-grandparents.[[/note]] Note, as a non-random example, that the main protagonist of the series is not named Piotr Miles.
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\n** Except Ezar [[http://vorkosigan.wikia.com/wiki/Wife_of_Ezar_Vorbarra didn't have a family at the time]]; Yuri really was paranoid, to the point he publicly [[http://vorkosigan.wikia.com/wiki/Yuri_Vorbarra#Behind_the_scenes threw the Privy Council out the window]]; and Ezar did end up losing both his wife and son - to [[http://vorkosigan.wikia.com/wiki/Serg_Vorbarra insanity]] inherited from [[http://vorkosigan.wikia.com/wiki/Wife_of_Ezar_Vorbarra#Behind_the_scenes Yuri's side of the family]].
** Really, signing on to a morally ''and'' strategically unjustified war, to kill one's own son and his sycophants/manipulators, is bad enough.

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[[WMG: The civil war that claimed Mad Yuri's life was masterminded by Ezar.]]

* Ezar Vorbarra was the only one that gained from the whole mess. There is no mention of him losing any children or a wife.

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\n** Although subverted in that Cordelia's daughters (and Oliver's sons) have ''Aral'' as a biological father. Cordelia and Oliver also have an open relationship, and live in separate houses. It's all ''very'' Betan.

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* It is not impossible that the Imperials have their own traditions in such matters differing from the other Vor.
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\n** The first is confirmed, the second is jossed. Miles comes to terms with his mother's love life fairly quickly.

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* Also "Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen" says that the information that was marked confidential has to do with Cetagandan bioweapons that weren't used during the war.
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* I have to disagree on the explanation: The Vorbarra dynasty's been portrayed as hypercompetent all on its own ever since Dorca Vorbarra in the Times of Isolation, and bloodthirsty insanity seems to be a design feature in other Barrayaran families as well, rather than a flaw
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[[WMG: ''Commander Jole and the Red Queen'' will be about...]]

* ...Cordelia entering a relationship with Jole and eventually getting the daughter she always wanted. Miles will be... displeased at her disloyalty to his late father

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* Besides, according to the same custom, everyone has two names, not one. For all we know, Gregor is actually Ezar Gregor, or Ezar was actually Gregor Ezar, but this is never mentioned - after all, somehow no-one managed to notice the correlation between Admiral Miles Naismith and Miles Naismith Vorkosigan (just how bad is information access between planets? in the modern internet, finding out Naismith's identity would be as simple as googling "Miles Naismith" and looking for portraits - he is a pretty prominent figure in Barrayaran politics since birth due to inheritance).
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* Ma Kosti will be come a Vorkosigan Arms(wo)man, in order to keep various high-ranking relatives from stealing her away from Miles. Besides, "Vorkosigan does it backwards" - instead of having armsmen who are "cooks" like Count Vorloupulous, Count Vorkosigan an "armsman" who's a cook.

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* Ma Kosti will be come a Vorkosigan Arms(wo)man, in order to keep various high-ranking relatives from stealing her away from Miles. Besides, "Vorkosigan does it backwards" - instead of having armsmen who are "cooks" like Count Vorloupulous, Count Vorkosigan an "armsman" will have a cook who's a cook.
an "armsman."
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* Ma Kosti will be come a Vorkosigan Arms(wo)man, in order to keep various high-ranking relatives from stealing her away from Miles. Besides, "Vorkosigan does it backwards" - instead of having armsmen who are "cooks" like Count Vorloupulous, Count Vorkosigan an "armsman" who's a cook.

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In RealLife when a mercenary organization gets tired of fighting other people's wars the often simply find themselves a nice cushy kingdom to take over and declare themselves kings of. Why should not the Dendarii do the same? They probably have more experience and firepower then many small nations, and many would rather be ruled by Queen Eli Quinn then by King Whoever They Had Before. Besides many employers of mercenaries tend to default on their contracts. And what do mercenaries do when that happens? They foreclose! Forcibly.

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In RealLife when a mercenary organization gets tired of fighting other people's wars the they often simply find themselves a nice cushy kingdom to take over and declare themselves kings of.kings. Why should not the Dendarii do the same? They probably have more experience and firepower then many small nations, and many would rather be ruled by Queen Eli Quinn then by King Whoever They Had Before. Besides many employers of mercenaries tend to default on their contracts. And what do mercenaries do when that happens? They foreclose! Forcibly.
Forcibly.

[[WMG: Either or both of the Kosti brothers have or will become Vorkosigan Armsman]]

Because Miles just inspires that sort of loyalty in people.
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In RealLife when a mercenary organization gets tired of fighting other people's wars the often simply find themselves a nice cushy kingdom to take over and declare themselves kings of. Why should not the Dendarii do the same? They probably have more experience and firepower then many small nations, and many would rather be ruled by Queen Eli Quinn then by King Whoever They Had Before. Besides many employers of mercenaries tend to default on their contracts. And what do mercenaries do when that happens? They foreclose!

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In RealLife when a mercenary organization gets tired of fighting other people's wars the often simply find themselves a nice cushy kingdom to take over and declare themselves kings of. Why should not the Dendarii do the same? They probably have more experience and firepower then many small nations, and many would rather be ruled by Queen Eli Quinn then by King Whoever They Had Before. Besides many employers of mercenaries tend to default on their contracts. And what do mercenaries do when that happens? They foreclose!
foreclose! Forcibly.
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In RealLife when a mercenary organization gets tired of fighting other people's wars the often simply find themselves a nice cushy kingdom to take over and declare themselves kings of. Why should not the Dendarii do the same? They probably have more experience and firepower then many small nations, and many woule rather be ruled by Queen Eli Quinn then by King Whoever They Had Before. Besides many employers of mercenaries tend to default on their contracts. And what do mercenaries do when that happens? They foreclose!

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In RealLife when a mercenary organization gets tired of fighting other people's wars the often simply find themselves a nice cushy kingdom to take over and declare themselves kings of. Why should not the Dendarii do the same? They probably have more experience and firepower then many small nations, and many woule would rather be ruled by Queen Eli Quinn then by King Whoever They Had Before. Besides many employers of mercenaries tend to default on their contracts. And what do mercenaries do when that happens? They foreclose!
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[[WMG: The Dendarii Mercenaries are going to found an empire]]

In RealLife when a mercenary organization gets tired of fighting other people's wars the often simply find themselves a nice cushy kingdom to take over and declare themselves kings of. Why should not the Dendarii do the same? They probably have more experience and firepower then many small nations, and many woule rather be ruled by Queen Eli Quinn then by King Whoever They Had Before. Besides many employers of mercenaries tend to default on their contracts. And what do mercenaries do when that happens? They foreclose!
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[[WMG: The Imperial family is part Cetagandan]]

When the vault is breached, it's mentioned that the contents of the letters contain information that is to be marked confidential and could badly shake things up in the current system. My theory is that it includes proof that the Cetagandans tinkered with the imperial bloodline, either through interbreeding or more subtle methods. It would help to explain Gregor's hyper-competence (and possibly Serg's bloodthirsty insanity).
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[[WMG: Kou's Wedding budget woes were solved by Lady Alys insisting on holding the weddings at Vorkosigan House, Vorbretten House, or the Imperial Residence]]

Gregor is likely to be a wedding guest after all, so the location has to be secure. And Lady Alys is the Emperor's social secretary and still owes a debt to Drou and Kou
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[[WMG: Part of the reason that Simon went along with the plan to break into the vault beneath [=ImpSec=] HQ was because he was ''hoping'' they'd damage it somehow in the process]]

He'd hated that building for his entire career, and had been trying on and off to get the funding to replace it for thirty years before his efforts were ended by his retirement. If there was a chance he could finally get rid of that eyesore once and for all, then he was going to take it.
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** The Amazon description of the next book heavily supports this, especially since it's about Ivan, and features him rescuing a female Galactic.

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\n** * The Amazon description of the next book heavily supports this, especially since it's about Ivan, and features him rescuing a female Galactic.
** Confirmed. Tej is half-Jacksonian, half-Cetagandan, and is a granddaughter of the last Cetagandan military governor of Barrayar to boot.
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** The Amazon description of the next book heavily supports this, especially since it's about Ivan, and features him rescuing a female Galactic.
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* Possible, but I think it would have been mentioned. As a parallel to Aral's second-son-ship, at the least. Perhaps the naming after grandfathers is the custom among the nobility but not royalty, or custom in rural districts like the Dendarii mountains, or some such. It's unlikely to be a universal custom for the entire planet, at least.
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[[WMG: Ivan's going to marry a Galactic]]

He's about due another stint of embassy duty, and he's pretty much run through all of his prospects at home. Plus now that both Gregor and Miles have produced heirs, he's out of the crossfire, ''and'' being physically normal he's under less pressure to be conventional about such things.

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