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[[WMG: Moe participated in his Prison Experiment with [[spoiler:Mercer]]]]
They were respectively prisoner and guard. Just like Horshack and Rafe, they met there, [[spoiler:[[BigBad Mercer]]]] bullied Moe and they became close after that. We don’t know why Moe [[spoiler:is helping Mercer commit the Hearst College rapes]] but we do know that he participated in the Experiment the year before and that it was “life-changing”. We also know that Horshack and Rafe become [[StockholmSyndrome “friends”]] after the experiment, more specifically that Rafe is profiting off Horshack to the point where he is caught doing Rafe’s homework. The influence that Rafe has on Horshack is similar to the influence that [[spoiler:Mercer]] has on Moe and it all originated with their sociology class Prison Experiment.

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They were respectively prisoner and guard.
Just like Horshack and Rafe, they met there, [[spoiler:[[BigBad Mercer]]]] bullied Moe and they became close after that.
We don’t know why Moe [[spoiler:is helping Mercer commit the Hearst College rapes]] but we do know that he participated in the Experiment the year before and that it was “life-changing”.
We also know that Horshack and Rafe become [[StockholmSyndrome “friends”]] after the experiment, more specifically that Rafe is profiting off Horshack to the point where he is caught doing Rafe’s homework. The influence that Rafe has on Horshack is similar to the influence that [[spoiler:Mercer]] has on Moe and it all originated with their sociology class Prison Experiment.

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They were respectively prisoner and guard.
guard. Just like Horshack and Rafe, they met there, [[spoiler:[[BigBad Mercer]]]] bullied Moe and they became close after that.
that. We don’t know why Moe [[spoiler:is helping Mercer commit the Hearst College rapes]] but we do know that he participated in the Experiment the year before and that it was “life-changing”.
“life-changing”. We also know that Horshack and Rafe become [[StockholmSyndrome “friends”]] after the experiment, more specifically that Rafe is profiting off Horshack to the point where he is caught doing Rafe’s homework. The influence that Rafe has on Horshack is similar to the influence that [[spoiler:Mercer]] has on Moe and it all originated with their sociology class Prison Experiment.
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[[WMG: Moe participated in his Prison Experiment with [[spoiler:Mercer]]]]
They were respectively prisoner and guard.
Just like Horshack and Rafe, they met there, [[spoiler:[[BigBad Mercer]]]] bullied Moe and they became close after that.
We don’t know why Moe [[spoiler:is helping Mercer commit the Hearst College rapes]] but we do know that he participated in the Experiment the year before and that it was “life-changing”.
We also know that Horshack and Rafe become [[StockholmSyndrome “friends”]] after the experiment, more specifically that Rafe is profiting off Horshack to the point where he is caught doing Rafe’s homework. The influence that Rafe has on Horshack is similar to the influence that [[spoiler:Mercer]] has on Moe and it all originated with their sociology class Prison Experiment.

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Logan killed Lilly, having been driven to madness by her blatant infidelity. Aaron eventually figures this out when Logan is arrested and due to a variety of factors (guilt for driving Logan's mom to suicide/physically abusing him to the point that Logan was incapable of remembering the good moments of his life, only the parts where his father beats him mercilessly/fear of having passed down his own abusive father's genes down to his son), springs into motion a plan to take the fall for the crimes. Logan never finds out until after the fact, when Aaron tries to kill Veronica/Keith and manages to convince both that he was the killer. Logan becomes guilt-stricken as a result (being framed for murder doesn't help) and he basically breaks up with Veronica because of this, as he Logan begins to self-destruct and with Veronica getting on his case for letting Dick and Cassidy convince him to torch the public pool, Logan dumps her rather than risk confessing to the woman he loves that he murdered Lilly. It's also why he bought and destroyed the sex tapes of Aaron and Lilly from Leo, in order to try and save his father and why Aaron's lawyer didn't cross examine him (Aaron didn't want to risk Logan breaking down on the stand, especially since he had his own scheme in place to ensure he was acquitted). It would also explain why Aaron attempted to reconcile with him after being acquitted/why Logan didn't violently lash out at him after the trial (Logan knew his father was innocent) and why he was so willing to confess to Veronica in the elevator: to ensure that Veronica would forever think he was the killer by way of outright admitting to it.

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Logan killed Lilly, having been driven to madness by her blatant infidelity. Aaron eventually figures this out when Logan is arrested and due to a variety of factors (guilt for driving Logan's mom to suicide/physically abusing him to the point that Logan was incapable ilncapable of remembering the good moments of his life, only the parts where his father beats him mercilessly/fear of having passed down his own abusive father's genes down to his son), springs into motion a plan to take the fall for the crimes. Logan never finds out until after the fact, when Aaron tries to kill Veronica/Keith and manages to convince both that he was the killer. Logan becomes guilt-stricken as a result (being framed for murder doesn't help) and he basically breaks up with Veronica because of this, as he Logan begins to self-destruct and with Veronica getting on his case for letting Dick and Cassidy convince him to torch the public pool, Logan dumps her rather than risk confessing to the woman he loves that he murdered Lilly. It's also why he bought and destroyed the sex tapes of Aaron and Lilly from Leo, in order to try and save his father and why Aaron's lawyer didn't cross examine him (Aaron didn't want to risk Logan breaking down on the stand, especially since he had his own scheme in place to ensure he was acquitted). It would also explain why Aaron attempted to reconcile with him after being acquitted/why Logan didn't violently lash out at him after the trial (Logan knew his father was innocent) and why he was so willing to confess to Veronica in the elevator: to ensure that Veronica would forever think he was the killer by way of outright admitting to it.


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* Given that both Jake and Celeste have dark brown hair, Lilly's blondeness would make more sense in this theory.
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[[WMG: After leaving Neptune, Veronica moves to New York, where she puts her investigative skills to work as GossipGirl.]]

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[[WMG: After leaving Neptune, Veronica moves to New York, where she puts her investigative skills to work as GossipGirl.Series/GossipGirl.]]
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* Is there a connection between Carrie Bishop and Blair Waldorf?
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[[WMG: Lynn was Aaron's second wife.]]
Trina referred to her as her step-mom, while Aaron is her dad. Therefore, she was adopted by Aaron and his first wife, who was eventually replaced by TrophyWife Lynn.
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* Sacks was competent and seemed to be legitimately motivated by a calling of public service. Which probably made him something of an anomaly in Sheriff Lamb's office. On the other hand, the flip side of this is that his public service motivation also made him unerringly loyal. That meant that he could survive in an environment where competence and skill were hardly compelling additions to one's resume, but it also means that he willingly (if perhaps unhappily) took his marching orders from his venal and corrupt superiors. The same factors that made him Neptune's last good cop also made him unlikely to play the part of TheManBehindTheMan.
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** Alternatively, it will be the jumping-off point of the spin-off series (the subject of which is being kept tightly under wraps) OR the sequel to the movie that's already being teased a little bit.

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** Alternatively, it will be the jumping-off point of the spin-off series (the subject of which is being kept tightly under wraps) has not been disclosed since it was announced) OR the sequel to the movie that's already being teased a little bit.
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** Alternatively, it will be the subject of the spin-off series (the subject of which is being kept tightly under wraps) OR the sequel to the movie that's already being teased a little bit.

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** Alternatively, it will be the subject of the spin-off series (the subject of which is being kept tightly under wraps) OR the sequel to the movie that's already being teased a little bit.
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[[WMG: Duncan's return to the States and battle for legal custody of his daughter will be the subject of one of the forthcoming ''Veronica Mars'' novels.]]

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[[WMG: Duncan's return to the States Neptune and battle for legal custody of his daughter will be the subject of one of the forthcoming ''Veronica Mars'' novels.]]
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Even though Book #1 ''The Thousand Dollar Tan Line'' may not use this plot, there is apparently at least one more book projected for 2014 ''alone''. Surely Rob Thomas can't resist the urge to see what Duncan's been up to at some point...

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Even though Book #1 ''The Thousand Dollar Tan Line'' may not use this plot, there is apparently at least one more book projected for 2014 ''alone''. Surely Rob Thomas can't resist the urge to see what Duncan's been up to at some point...
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Even though Book #1 ''The Thousand Dollar Tan Line'' may not use this plot, there is apparently at least one more book projected for 2014 ''alone''. Surely Rob Thomas can't resist the urge to see what Duncan's been up to at some point...
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[[WMG: Duncan's return to the States and battle for legal custody of his daughter will be the subject of one of the ''Veronica Mars'' novels.]]

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[[WMG: Duncan's return to the States and battle for legal custody of his daughter will be the subject of one of the forthcoming ''Veronica Mars'' novels.]]
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[[WMG: Duncan's return to the States and battle for legal custody of his daughter will be the subject of one of the projected series of novels following on from the film.]]

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[[WMG: Duncan's return to the States and battle for legal custody of his daughter will be the subject of one of the projected series of novels following on from the film.''Veronica Mars'' novels.]]

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He's making a surprise cameo with his daughter at the end after being pardoned. Rob Thomas just wanted to keep it a secret

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He's making a surprise cameo with his daughter at the end after being pardoned. Rob Thomas just wanted to keep it a secret
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[[WMG: Duncan's return to the States and battle for legal custody of his daughter will be the subject of one of the projected series of novels following on from the film.]]
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[[WMG: Duncan will be in the movie]]
He's making a surprise cameo with his daughter at the end after being pardoned. Rob Thomas just wanted to keep it a secret
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[[WMG: OR Veronica goes to work for [[AssassinsCreed Abstergo]]]]

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[[WMG: OR Veronica goes to work for [[AssassinsCreed [[Franchise/AssassinsCreed Abstergo]]]]

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Cassidy never believed Logan killed Lilly. This reveal came one episode after Cassidy had seen Veronica going all over school investigating her rape, obviously still angry and hurt when she confronts him. At the end of "A Trip to the Dentist," Cassidy sees Veronica and Logan happily making out. Then in the next episode he's ruining her relationship by telling her something "for her own good." We know Cassidy couldn't have a healthy sexual relationship with Mac the next season. Cassidy (not knowing about what she had found out from Duncan) was jealous of Veronica's ability to get over her rape when he hadn't been able to.

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Cassidy never believed Logan killed Lilly. This reveal came one episode after Cassidy had seen Veronica going all over school investigating her rape, obviously still angry and hurt when she confronts him. At the end of "A Trip to the Dentist," Cassidy sees Veronica and Logan happily making out. Then in the next episode he's ruining her relationship by telling her something "for her own good." We know Cassidy couldn't have a healthy sexual relationship with Mac the next season. Cassidy (not knowing about what she had found out from Duncan) was jealous of Veronica's ability to get over her rape when he hadn't been able to.
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[[WMG: Cassidy told Veronica about Logan's false alibi in Tiajuana because he genuinely wanted to protect her from possibly being murdered.]]

Cassidy believed Logan was responsible for Lilly's murder. Cassidy felt guilty for raping Veronica and was trying to make amends by keeping her safe from her murderer boyfriend.
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[[WMG: Cassidy told Veronica about Logan's false alibi in Tiajuana because he was jealous of her being in a healthy relationship.]]

Cassidy never believed Logan killed Lilly. This reveal came one episode after Cassidy had seen Veronica going all over school investigating her rape, obviously still angry and hurt when she confronts him. At the end of "A Trip to the Dentist," Cassidy sees Veronica and Logan happily making out. Then in the next episode he's ruining her relationship by telling her something "for her own good." We know Cassidy couldn't have a healthy sexual relationship with Mac the next season. Cassidy (not knowing about what she had found out from Duncan) was jealous of Veronica's ability to get over her rape when he hadn't been able to.

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[[WMG:Aaron didn't kill Lilly]]
We never got hard evidence that he killed her. He has motive, yes, but that's not the same thing.

He didn't kill her. The tapes, however, showed him committing statutory rape, a crime that could put him in prison and ruin his image and reputation forever. That's why he was so desperate to cover it up that he tried to kill Veronica.

When he said, "Lilly didn't tell me where the tapes were either, I think there's a cautionary tale in that," he may just have been thinking of her murder as a KarmicDeath (he's narcissistic enough), or else lying to scare Veronica.

He does say he did it in the season 2 finale; but Veronica was utterly convinced he did it anyway, and she did try and send him to prison. He may have been trying to hurt her, not truly confessing.

When he was getting Kendall to frame Duncan, Aaron did believe that Duncan did it. He knew Duncan wouldn't be investigated on his say-so, so he tried [[FramingTheGuiltyParty Framing The (Allegedly) Guilty Party]]
* So, the question is: If it wasn't Aaron, then who was it? Going through suspects:
** Duncan: Aaron thinks it was he. If Duncan had a fit, then he could kill her and just not know. He's been violent towards his family in his fits - remember Logan's tale of Duncan strangling Jake?
** Logan: Doubtful, given his reaction in season 2 to what happened - but why ''did'' he lie about being in Mexico? We know he found her that day; and we have no proof that the letter he said would prove his innocence ever existed. Finding out that Lilly was now sleeping with the father he hated? That could send him over the edge.
** Celeste: Those tapes that Lilly wanted to show the tabloids would ''humiliate'' the Kanes - something Celeste couldn't bear to see happen. Aaron showed up; Celeste heard everything; Aaron left; Celeste told Lilly not to release the tapes; Lilly wouldn't back down; Celeste killed her; Duncan had a fit; and Celeste lied to Jake and told him Duncan killed Lilly in a fit.

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[[WMG:Aaron didn't kill Lilly]]
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Lilly/Logan did and Aaron took the fall to protect his son]]

Logan killed Lilly, having been driven to madness by her blatant infidelity. Aaron eventually figures this out when Logan is arrested and due to a variety of factors (guilt for driving Logan's mom to suicide/physically abusing him to the point that Logan was incapable of remembering the good moments of his life, only the parts where his father beats him mercilessly/fear of having passed down his own abusive father's genes down to his son), springs into motion a plan to take the fall for the crimes. Logan
never got hard evidence finds out until after the fact, when Aaron tries to kill Veronica/Keith and manages to convince both that he killed her. He has motive, yes, but that's not was the same thing.

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killer. Logan becomes guilt-stricken as a result (being framed for murder doesn't help) and he basically breaks up with Veronica because of this, as he Logan begins to self-destruct and with Veronica getting on his case for letting Dick and Cassidy convince him to torch the public pool, Logan dumps her rather than risk confessing to the woman he loves that he murdered Lilly. It's also why he bought and destroyed the sex tapes of Aaron and Lilly from Leo, in order to try and save his father and why Aaron's lawyer didn't kill her. The tapes, however, showed cross examine him committing statutory rape, a crime that could put (Aaron didn't want to risk Logan breaking down on the stand, especially since he had his own scheme in place to ensure he was acquitted). It would also explain why Aaron attempted to reconcile with him in prison after being acquitted/why Logan didn't violently lash out at him after the trial (Logan knew his father was innocent) and ruin his image and reputation forever. That's why he was so desperate willing to cover it up that he tried confess to kill Veronica.

When he said, "Lilly didn't tell me where the tapes were either, I think there's a cautionary tale in that," he may just have been thinking of her murder as a KarmicDeath (he's narcissistic enough), or else lying to scare Veronica.

He does say he did it in the season 2 finale; but
Veronica was utterly convinced he did it anyway, and she did try and send him in the elevator: to prison. He may have been trying to hurt her, not truly confessing.

When
ensure that Veronica would forever think he was getting Kendall to frame Duncan, Aaron did believe that Duncan did it. He knew Duncan wouldn't be investigated on his say-so, so he tried [[FramingTheGuiltyParty Framing The (Allegedly) Guilty Party]]
* So,
the question is: If it wasn't Aaron, then who was it? Going through suspects:
** Duncan: Aaron thinks it was he. If Duncan had a fit, then he could kill her and just not know. He's been violent towards his family in his fits - remember Logan's tale
killer by way of Duncan strangling Jake?
** Logan: Doubtful, given his reaction in season 2
outright admitting to what happened - but why ''did'' he lie about being in Mexico? We know he found her that day; and we have no proof that the letter he said would prove his innocence ever existed. Finding out that Lilly was now sleeping with the father he hated? That could send him over the edge.
** Celeste: Those tapes that Lilly wanted to show the tabloids would ''humiliate'' the Kanes - something Celeste couldn't bear to see happen. Aaron showed up; Celeste heard everything; Aaron left; Celeste told Lilly not to release the tapes; Lilly wouldn't back down; Celeste killed her; Duncan had a fit; and Celeste lied to Jake and told him Duncan killed Lilly in a fit.
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** It's perfectly possible that Jake slept with Weevil's mother and so he's Weevil's father in addition to being Duncan and Lilly's. That covers them being half-siblings and why, if anyone knew, Weevil was never taken in.

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[[WMG: Veronica Mars is schizophrenic.]]
Think about it: in "Kanes and Abel's," she, while fully awake and aware, sees and has an extended conversation with the long-dead Lilly Kane. Seeing things and hearing voices is practically the definition of schizophrenia. And she has at least some of the symptoms of paranoia. Plus, she is in her late teens; that is generally the earliest schizophrenia manifests. Also, consider that schizophrenia can often be an inherited condition, and that her mother was an alcoholic. Maybe Lianne Mars was self-medicating for her own symptoms. Lastly, consider what Aaron Echolls says in the season one finale when he has Veronica trapped in the fridge: he goes on this whole rant about Joan of Arc and how the voices she heard were really symptoms of schizophrenia. Why would that occur to him? What if Veronica is a highly organized, high-functioning schizophrenic?

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[[WMG: Another theory my boyfriend came up (early on, before it's revealed that Jake Kane might be Veronica's father) was that Lianne Mars is Lilly's mom, and that that's why Celeste was so much harsher to her than to Duncan. It would make sense, maybe she was born before Lianne was with Keith, and then things got blurry with Veronica and Keith wanted to keep her.

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[[WMG: Lianne Mars is Lilly's mom.]]
Another theory my boyfriend came up (early on, before it's revealed that Jake Kane might be Veronica's father) was that Lianne Mars is Lilly's mom, and that that's why Celeste was so much harsher to her than to Duncan. It would make sense, maybe she was born before Lianne was with Keith, and then things got blurry with Veronica and Keith wanted to keep her.her.


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Another theory my boyfriend came up (early on, before it's revealed that Jake Kane might be Veronica's father) was that Lianne Mars is Lilly's mom, and that that's why Celeste was so much harsher to her than to Duncan.



I don't know that this guess is all that wild, but it would explain some of Troy's behavior. He doesn't plan to stay in Neptune very long before he runs off with his old girlfriend in the car he stole from his father and the proceeds from the drugs he stole from Luke, but he figures he might as well try to get laid while he's waiting. And here's this pretty girl whom everyone is telling him is easy. Why shouldn't he believe them? Of course, all the people who were around before and knew Veronica know that the rumors aren't true, they just repeat them to hurt her.

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I don't know that this guess is all that wild, but it would explain some of Troy's behavior. He doesn't plan to stay in Neptune very long before he runs off with his old girlfriend in the car he stole from his father and the proceeds from the drugs he stole from Luke, but he figures he might as well try to get laid while he's waiting. And here's this pretty girl whom everyone is telling him is easy. Why shouldn't he believe them? Of course, all the people who were around before and knew Veronica know that the rumors aren't true, they just repeat them to hurt her.

[[WMG: Another theory my boyfriend came up (early on, before it's revealed that Jake Kane might be Veronica's father) was that Lianne Mars is Lilly's mom, and that that's why Celeste was so much harsher to her than to Duncan. It would make sense, maybe she was born before Lianne was with Keith, and then things got blurry with Veronica and Keith wanted to keep
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Another theory my boyfriend came up (early on, before it's revealed that Jake Kane might be Veronica's father) was that Lianne Mars is Lilly's mom, and that that's why Celeste was so much harsher to her than to Duncan.

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Another theory my boyfriend came up (early on, before it's revealed that Jake Kane might be Veronica's father) was that Lianne Mars is Lilly's mom, and that that's why Celeste was so much harsher to her than to Duncan.Duncan.

[[WMG: Troy Vandegraff was interested in Veronica because he had heard and believed the gossip about her promiscuity.]]
I don't know that this guess is all that wild, but it would explain some of Troy's behavior. He doesn't plan to stay in Neptune very long before he runs off with his old girlfriend in the car he stole from his father and the proceeds from the drugs he stole from Luke, but he figures he might as well try to get laid while he's waiting. And here's this pretty girl whom everyone is telling him is easy. Why shouldn't he believe them? Of course, all the people who were around before and knew Veronica know that the rumors aren't true, they just repeat them to hurt her.
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* Really only workable if Weevil's dad knocked up Celeste, since the Kanes wouldn't accept a child of Jake's otherwise, as seen with Veronica.
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[[WMG: OR Veronica goes to work for [[AssassinsCreed Abstergo]]]]
After getting a Biology degree from Hearst (specializing in genetics), she finds out that the Mars' are connected with the Assassins, she changes her name to Lucy Stillman. She continues in school, eventually getting kicked out for her radical ideas in genetic memory, when she is suddenly apprenticed to Warren Vidic at Abstergo.
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Another theory my boyfriend came up (early on, before it's revealed that Jake Kane might be Veronica's father) was that Lianne Mars is Lilly's mom, and that that's why Celeste was so much harsher to her than to Duncan.

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