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[[WMG: Max's father is[[RobLiefeld Rob Liefeld]]]]
* C'mon, huge boobs and a name that contains cliche [[NinetiesAnti-Hero]] words like "Max" and "Black"? Who else could it possibly be?
* C'mon, huge boobs and a name that contains cliche [[NinetiesAnti-Hero]] words like "Max" and "Black"? Who else could it possibly be?
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[[WMG: Max's father is[[RobLiefeld is [[RobLiefeld Rob Liefeld]]]]
* C'mon, huge boobs and a name that contains cliche[[NinetiesAnti-Hero]] [[NinetiesAntiHero 90s Anti-hero]] words like "Max" and "Black"? Who else could it possibly be?
* C'mon, huge boobs and a name that contains cliche
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* The second episode of the second season, "And the Pearl Necklace" will continue with the MarthaStewart arc (although she will not appear). It would seem a little strange to interrupt it for an episode that finally brought such an important support character into the diegesis.
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* The second episode of the second season, "And the Pearl Necklace" will continue with the MarthaStewart arc (although she will not appear). It would seem a little strange to interrupt it for an episode that finally brought such an important support character into the diegesis.diegesis.
[[WMG: Max's father is[[RobLiefeld Rob Liefeld]]]]
*C'mon, huge boobs and a name that contains cliche [[NinetiesAnti-Hero]] words like "Max" and "Black"? Who else could it possibly be?
[[WMG: Max's father is[[RobLiefeld Rob Liefeld]]]]
*C'mon, huge boobs and a name that contains cliche [[NinetiesAnti-Hero]] words like "Max" and "Black"? Who else could it possibly be?
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* Maybe not a "good" guy, but perhaps not as bad as he's made out to be. It's important to keep in mind that this is a guy who wasn't bothered by the fact that his scam probably ruined a lot of peoples' lives, so he's somewhat lacking in moral character. That said, it's already apparent that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he genuinely loves his daughter]] and wants to make sure she's doing okay, so he probably doesn't fall into CompleteMonster territory.
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* Maybe not a "good" guy, but perhaps not as bad as he's made out to be. It's important to keep in mind that this is a guy who wasn't bothered by the fact that his scam probably ruined a lot of peoples' lives, so he's somewhat lacking in moral character. That said, it's already apparent that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he genuinely loves his daughter]] and wants to make sure she's doing okay, so he probably doesn't fall into CompleteMonster territory.okay.
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this week\'s episode joked around about this
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** "And the Pre-Approved Credit Card" plays with this, with Max joking (or not joking) about Cedric the Entertainer's character being her brother.
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something Monday might support this
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** Note that in "And the Hold-Up", Max enjoys talking back to the movie screen loudly and tells Caroline "More white people should do this."
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** And seeing that Caroline sais that Max is 'kinda turning on'... ("And the Hold-Up") You might be onto something.
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*** No, Steven Weber played Caroline's dad, not Max's.
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** He shows up, but he's white and played by Steven Weber.
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This one seems JOSSED by know
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*I'd consider this one implicitly JOSSED by the beginning of the second season. Caroline repeatedly refers to him as being in prison, not in jail ... she is certainly smart enough to know the difference (you're in jail when you're awaiting trial, and in prison afterwards). And when they traveled there they had to take a bus, suggesting it's some distance from the city.
*Further, an auction of property acquired with illegally obtained funds, as shown in "And the Hidden Stash," can only take place after forfeiture, which is automatic with a criminal conviction.
*So it seems likely that, at some point when we weren't watching during the first season, Martin Channing pled guilty.
*Further, an auction of property acquired with illegally obtained funds, as shown in "And the Hidden Stash," can only take place after forfeiture, which is automatic with a criminal conviction.
*So it seems likely that, at some point when we weren't watching during the first season, Martin Channing pled guilty.
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* The entire first season had been building up to a BigReveal of Caroline's dad. First we saw her (and sometimes Max) talking to him on her phone. Then they almost saw him in prison. It would have made sense for them both to finally see him the way they did at the end of the first act of that episode.
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* The entire first season had been building up to a BigReveal [[TheReveal reveal]] of Caroline's dad. First we saw her (and sometimes Max) talking to him on her phone. Then they almost saw him in prison. It would have made sense for them both to finally see him the way they did at the end of the first act of that episode.
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* The second episode of the second season, "And the Pearl Necklace" will continue with the MarthaStewart arc.arc (although she will not appear). It would seem a little strange to interrupt it for an episode that finally brought such an important support character into the diegesis.
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And he will be played by [[{{InLivingColor}} Damien Wayans]] cause why not ?
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And he will be played by [[{{InLivingColor}} Damien Damon Wayans]] cause why not ??
[[WMG: "And the Hidden Stash" was originally meant to be the first-season finale, instead of the second-season premiere]]
* The entire first season had been building up to a BigReveal of Caroline's dad. First we saw her (and sometimes Max) talking to him on her phone. Then they almost saw him in prison. It would have made sense for them both to finally see him the way they did at the end of the first act of that episode.
* The whole episode makes a nice resolution of both character's arcs. Max realizes there is no shortcut to
* The promos for that episode showed a big cutout with a question mark over Martin's face, as if we didn't know who was going to play him. That was [[TheArtifact completely pointless]] as we'd already seen Martin's face on a laptop screen in "And Martha Stewart Have A Ball ([[MultiPartEpisode Part 1]])" so we knew it was Steven Weber. That big guessing game makes sense only if "And the Hidden Stash" was intended to air first.
* The second episode of the second season, "And the Pearl Necklace" will continue with the MarthaStewart arc. It would seem a little strange to interrupt it for an episode that finally brought such an important support character into the diegesis.
[[WMG: "And the Hidden Stash" was originally meant to be the first-season finale, instead of the second-season premiere]]
* The entire first season had been building up to a BigReveal of Caroline's dad. First we saw her (and sometimes Max) talking to him on her phone. Then they almost saw him in prison. It would have made sense for them both to finally see him the way they did at the end of the first act of that episode.
* The whole episode makes a nice resolution of both character's arcs. Max realizes there is no shortcut to
* The promos for that episode showed a big cutout with a question mark over Martin's face, as if we didn't know who was going to play him. That was [[TheArtifact completely pointless]] as we'd already seen Martin's face on a laptop screen in "And Martha Stewart Have A Ball ([[MultiPartEpisode Part 1]])" so we knew it was Steven Weber. That big guessing game makes sense only if "And the Hidden Stash" was intended to air first.
* The second episode of the second season, "And the Pearl Necklace" will continue with the MarthaStewart arc. It would seem a little strange to interrupt it for an episode that finally brought such an important support character into the diegesis.
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** Whilst this is quite possible, this troper and many of his friends do actually use the term "us" in the singular sense (I know it doesn't make any sense, but we still do it).
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* Well now that we've met him it's pretty safe to say this is partially confirmed. Martin Channing ''is'' a decent guy, but admits that what he did was wrong and ended up hurting a lot of people (including his own daughter). His ability to recognize his crime and how much damage he did makes him even ''more'' sympathetic than if he was framed, because we've all made shitty decisions we wish we could take back.
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Because I said so.
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** Of course he will be [[{{ChocolateBaby}} African-American]] leading to Caroline punching the air in a victorious manner and yelling ""I KNEW IT""
And he will be played by [[{{InLivingColor}} Damien Wayans]] cause why not ?
** Of course he will be [[{{ChocolateBaby}} African-American]] leading to Caroline punching the air in a victorious manner and yelling ""I KNEW IT""
And he will be played by [[{{InLivingColor}} Damien Wayans]] cause why not ?
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** Her grandmother got rid of her mother so that might suggest that she might have had some might in the Channing household. Maybe she ment her grandmother and herself?
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** Her grandmother got rid of her mother so that might suggest that she might have had some might in the Channing household.power over her father; he let it happen after all. Maybe she ment her grandmother and herself?
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*** Or his own mother had that much power over him. Remember Caroline's mother?
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** The writers seem to have something in mind, if this interview is anything to go by.(Last question.) [[http://www.cbs.com/shows/watch_magazine/archive/154549/?category_id=67551]]
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** Her grandmother got rid of her mother so that might suggest that she might have had some might in the Channing household. Maybe she ment her grandmother and herself?
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Once Caroline's truly addapted to being poor, he'll be freed and have to learn
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Once Caroline's truly addapted to being poor, he'll be freed and have to learnlearn
[[WMG: Caroline's mother will show up at some point.]]
She told Max back in "And the Rich People Problems" that her grandmother had gotten rid of her mother "in a society way." But Caroline's mother is presumably still alive, and might use the disgrace of her ex-husband as a reason or excuse to reestablish contact with her daughter.
[[WMG: And, while we're at it, at some point Max's father will show up.]]
Because I said so.
[[WMG: Caroline's mother will show up at some point.]]
She told Max back in "And the Rich People Problems" that her grandmother had gotten rid of her mother "in a society way." But Caroline's mother is presumably still alive, and might use the disgrace of her ex-husband as a reason or excuse to reestablish contact with her daughter.
[[WMG: And, while we're at it, at some point Max's father will show up.]]
Because I said so.
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As a result, the feds will unfreeze his assets, and Caroline will be able to get her old life back. She'll decide, however, that she still wants to [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming live with and be business partners with Max]].
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As a result, the feds will unfreeze his assets, and Caroline will be able to get her old life back. She'll decide, however, that she still wants to [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming live with and be business partners with Max]].Max]].
[[WMG: Martin Channing will get out of jail, but his assets will still be frozen]]
Once Caroline's truly addapted to being poor, he'll be freed and have to learn
[[WMG: Martin Channing will get out of jail, but his assets will still be frozen]]
Once Caroline's truly addapted to being poor, he'll be freed and have to learn
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It would explain the abundant LesYay
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It would explain the abundant LesYayLesYay
[[WMG: Martin Channing will eventually be acquitted.]]
As a result, the feds will unfreeze his assets, and Caroline will be able to get her old life back. She'll decide, however, that she still wants to [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming live with and be business partners with Max]].
[[WMG: Martin Channing will eventually be acquitted.]]
As a result, the feds will unfreeze his assets, and Caroline will be able to get her old life back. She'll decide, however, that she still wants to [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming live with and be business partners with Max]].
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** Maybe not a "good" guy, but perhaps not as bad as he's made out to be. It's important to keep in mind that this is a guy who wasn't bothered by the fact that his scam probably ruined a lot of peoples' lives, so he's somewhat lacking in moral character. That said, it's already apparent that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he genuinely loves his daughter]] and wants to make sure she's doing okay, so he probably doesn't fall into CompleteMonster territory.
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** It wouldn't be a huge surprise if it turned out that he was a fall guy for his business partners, and was as much in the dark as Caroline was... although based on things Caroline has said, it would be something of a {{retcon}}.
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It just seems like Johnny and Caroline have the potential to become the show's SuperCouple. Plus they have great chemistry together.
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It just seems like Johnny and Caroline have the potential to become the show's SuperCouple. Plus they have great chemistry together.together.
[[WMG: Max and Caroline are an alternate universe [[ICarly Sam and Carly]]]]
It would explain the abundant LesYay
[[WMG: Max and Caroline are an alternate universe [[ICarly Sam and Carly]]]]
It would explain the abundant LesYay
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** Maybe not a "good" guy, but perhaps not as bad as he's made out to be. It's important to keep in mind that this is a guy who wasn't bothered by the fact that his scam probably ruined a lot of peoples' lives, so he's somewhat lacking in moral character. That said, it's already apparent that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he genuinely loves his daughter]] and wants to make sure she's doing okay, so he probably doesn't fall into CompleteMonster territory.
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** Maybe not a "good" guy, but perhaps not as bad as he's made out to be. It's important to keep in mind that this is a guy who wasn't bothered by the fact that his scam probably ruined a lot of peoples' lives, so he's somewhat lacking in moral character. That said, it's already apparent that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he genuinely loves his daughter]] and wants to make sure she's doing okay, so he probably doesn't fall into CompleteMonster territory.territory.
[[WMG: Johnny and Max will become a couple but break up... leaving him free to get together with Caroline.]]
It just seems like Johnny and Caroline have the potential to become the show's SuperCouple. Plus they have great chemistry together.
[[WMG: Johnny and Max will become a couple but break up... leaving him free to get together with Caroline.]]
It just seems like Johnny and Caroline have the potential to become the show's SuperCouple. Plus they have great chemistry together.
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** Maybe not a "good" guy, but perhaps not as bad as he's made out to be. It's important to keep in mind that this is a guy who ripped a lot of people off and destroyed their lives without a bit of remorse, so he's somewhat lacking in moral character. That said, it's already apparent that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he does genuinely love his daughter]] and wants to make sure she's doing okay.
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** Maybe not a "good" guy, but perhaps not as bad as he's made out to be. It's important to keep in mind that this is a guy who ripped wasn't bothered by the fact that his scam probably ruined a lot of people off and destroyed their lives without a bit of remorse, peoples' lives, so he's somewhat lacking in moral character. That said, it's already apparent that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he does genuinely love loves his daughter]] and wants to make sure she's doing okay.okay, so he probably doesn't fall into CompleteMonster territory.
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This was hinted at in episode 4, when Caroline called him on the phone and said that "he can't be such a bad guy." Perhaps at the end of the season, he will get out of prison, and there will be the potential of Max and Caroline "breaking up."
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This was hinted at in episode 4, when Caroline called him on the phone and said that "he can't be such a bad guy." Perhaps at the end of the season, he will get out of prison, and there will be the potential of Max and Caroline "breaking up.""
** Maybe not a "good" guy, but perhaps not as bad as he's made out to be. It's important to keep in mind that this is a guy who ripped a lot of people off and destroyed their lives without a bit of remorse, so he's somewhat lacking in moral character. That said, it's already apparent that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he does genuinely love his daughter]] and wants to make sure she's doing okay.
** Maybe not a "good" guy, but perhaps not as bad as he's made out to be. It's important to keep in mind that this is a guy who ripped a lot of people off and destroyed their lives without a bit of remorse, so he's somewhat lacking in moral character. That said, it's already apparent that [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes he does genuinely love his daughter]] and wants to make sure she's doing okay.
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It seems painfully obvious that Caroline and Max are headed for a relationship at some point. Note the pilot episode where Max accidentally kisses a woman on the subway, perhaps foreshadowing? In episode two, they were already in bed with each other and Max claims that Caroline would be "the last les she'd be in." And even if it's not headed that way at this point, the writers may hear the fans, who are clamoring for Maxoline (Max/Caroline).
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It seems painfully obvious that Caroline and Max are headed for a relationship at some point. Note the pilot episode where Max accidentally kisses a woman on the subway, perhaps foreshadowing? In episode two, they were already in bed with each other and Max claims that Caroline would be "the last les she'd be in." And even if it's not headed that way at this point, the writers may hear the fans, who are clamoring for Maxoline (Max/Caroline).(Max/Caroline).
[[WMG: Martin Channing will be revealed to be a good guy all along.]]
This was hinted at in episode 4, when Caroline called him on the phone and said that "he can't be such a bad guy." Perhaps at the end of the season, he will get out of prison, and there will be the potential of Max and Caroline "breaking up."
[[WMG: Martin Channing will be revealed to be a good guy all along.]]
This was hinted at in episode 4, when Caroline called him on the phone and said that "he can't be such a bad guy." Perhaps at the end of the season, he will get out of prison, and there will be the potential of Max and Caroline "breaking up."
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When Max confronted Caroline about her father's Ponzi Scheme, Caroline responded "He told us we were having a good year." Note that she said ''us'', not ''me'', meaning she wasn't the only one he kept in the dark about this. There's more than one member of her family. Now, she could have just meant her and her mother, but given the comedic potential of such a thing, I suspect that she'll be revealed to have a sister later on in the series.
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When Max confronted Caroline about her father's Ponzi Scheme, Caroline responded "He told us we were having a good year." Note that she said ''us'', not ''me'', meaning she wasn't the only one he kept in the dark about this. There's more than one member of her family. Now, she could have just meant her and her mother, but given the comedic potential of such a thing, I suspect that she'll be revealed to have a sister later on in the series.series.
[[WMG: Caroline and Max will fall in love at some point.]]
It seems painfully obvious that Caroline and Max are headed for a relationship at some point. Note the pilot episode where Max accidentally kisses a woman on the subway, perhaps foreshadowing? In episode two, they were already in bed with each other and Max claims that Caroline would be "the last les she'd be in." And even if it's not headed that way at this point, the writers may hear the fans, who are clamoring for Maxoline (Max/Caroline).
[[WMG: Caroline and Max will fall in love at some point.]]
It seems painfully obvious that Caroline and Max are headed for a relationship at some point. Note the pilot episode where Max accidentally kisses a woman on the subway, perhaps foreshadowing? In episode two, they were already in bed with each other and Max claims that Caroline would be "the last les she'd be in." And even if it's not headed that way at this point, the writers may hear the fans, who are clamoring for Maxoline (Max/Caroline).
