History WMG / ToddInTheShadowsTrainwreckordsDeconfirmedAlbums

** Todd instead covered ''Generation Swine''. He mentioned in his review that despite the album being a massive commercial flop, he found it pretty solid and didn't find it a true disaster.

** Todd instead covered ''Generation Swine''.

* ''Music/TheirSatanicMajestiesRequest'', ''Music/EmotionalRescue'', ''Music/{{Undercover}}'' and ''Music/DirtyWork'' by Music/TheRollingStones: After starting off 1967 on a high note with ''Between the Buttons'', The Rolling Stones' attempt to go psychedelic on ''Their Satanic Majesties Request'' backfired badly as album sales dropped quickly despite a high debut and was also dismissed by critics as a poor attempt to outdo Music/TheBeatles magnum opus, ''Music/SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand''. However, the Stones released ''Music/BeggarsBanquet'' the following year, which returned them to their blues sound while incorporating roots rock and was a huge success that reaffirmed their status as rock giants and set them up for continuous success into the 1970s.\\

* ''Chuck'' and ''Screaming Bloody Murder'' by Music/Sum41: Despite its passionate defenders, ''Chuck'' was a DarkerAndEdgier, bushy-haired record that, although sold well commercially, lacked the staying power of the band's previous releases, and arguably killed the snotty brand of pop-punk that they were leaders of throughout the early 2000s, causing emo-influenced groups like Music/FallOutBoy and Music/TheAllAmericanRejects to fill the void. After ''Underclass Hero'' saw them briefly return to the pop-punk sound that made them famous, they returned to their heavier, metal-influenced sound with ''Screaming Bloody Murder''. Although it received a positive fan response, critics weren't nearly as kind, and it also became their lowest charting album, producing no hits to speak of. The resulting three-year-long tour led to drummer Steve Jocz's departure and frontman Deryck Whibley nearly dying from kidney and liver failure after years of alcohol abuse. Upon Whibley's recovery, the group rebounded with 2016's ''13 Voices'', an album that detailed Whibley's recovery, and also saw the return of lead guitarist Dave "Brownsound" Baksh to the lineup. It also became their best performing album with critics, being seen as an evolution of their music, and rebounded in sales and chart placement. In the case of the former album, Todd [[https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/1511452934051041281?s=20&t=Uh5-pIPCknvzevUxEgJTPQ asked]] whether it was a Trainwreckord on Twitter, stating that he expected [[https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/1511454592084574209?s=20&t=khZN_UhTXPyFNnQFWRM4lA never to hear about Sum 41 again]] after stumbling upon the lead single, "We're All to Blame" and that he was correct. However, while he still left the question open, he [[https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/1511459308713779201?s=20&t=l0zsm0TZtdgC-uxW5DYCbg stated in a reply]] that he personally doesn't consider it a Trainwreckord.

* ''Razorblade Suitcase'' by Bush: This follow-up to their 6x platinum debut ''Sixteen Stone'' was a notorious SophomoreSlump: their attempts at a DarkerAndEdgier sound completely backfired, not helped by the presence of producer Steve Albini drawing unfavourable comparisons to Nirvana's ''Music/InUtero''. Despite its chart-topping Stateside debut, the album only sold half as many copies as its predecessor and only its first two singles "Swallowed" and "Greedy Fly" (which had a notoriously long, expensive and [[MindScrew confusing]] music video) made much of an impact on the Billboard rock charts, and the band experienced diminishing returns ever since. On his Twitter account, [[https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/1449144771448999936?s=20 Todd has asked his followers if this album qualifies]], indicating that he's considering reviewing it.

*** Both albums jossed in the Hootie & the Blowfish ''Trainwreckords'', as Todd considered Lauper's decline normal for a pop star. This ultimately gave birth to the “Cyndi Lauper Effect”, a term used to describe the mainstream decline of a musical act that wasn’t caused by anything significant involved with said act.

*** Both albums jossed based on a tweet Todd [[https://twitter.com/CamDlxEdition/status/1498787083745468418?s=20&t=OrislwoDX6xGjfTcYqLQrA liked]], implying that he does indeed feel that the Beatles' downfall is too

*** Both albums jossed based on a tweet Todd [[https://twitter.com/CamDlxEdition/status/1498787083745468418?s=20&t=OrislwoDX6xGjfTcYqLQrA liked]], implying that he does indeed feel that the Beatles' downfall is too overexposed to dissect further.
* Music/BlackSabbath:
** ''Born Again'': Similar to ''[[Music/VanHalen Van Halen III]]'' and ''Music/CallingAllStations'', this critically panned album killed the band’s commercial relevance after they hired a third major frontman for the first and only time. Expect a reference to ''Film/ThisIsSpinalTap'', since Sabbath had their own Stonehenge incident that may have inspired the one in that film (instead of being too small, their Stonehenge was too big to be stored anywhere).
** ''Forbidden'': It's notable for being produced by Music/BodyCount member Ernie C and even features a guest appearance by Music/IceT. The album was such a failure, however, even by the band's [[AudienceAlienatingEra then-diminished standards]], that they wouldn't record another studio record for nearly two decades.
*** Both albums jossed, as Todd [[https://twitter.com/theryanflanagan/status/1498769068601614337 liked a tweet]] that suggested ''13'' to be a real comeback for the band.

*** Both albums jossed in the Hootie & the Blowfish ''Trainwreckords'', as Todd considered Lauper's decline normal for a pop star.

* ''Try This'' by Music/{{Pink}}: Although ''Missundaztood'' was a massive success that established her own identity, this follow-up further exploring the rock elements played with before on her prior album didn't fare nearly as well commercially and resulted in P!nk leaving Creator/AristaRecords. However, 2006's fittingly-titled ''I'm Not Dead'', brought her back into the A-list and continued her hitmaking status well into the 2010s.

* ''Try This'' by Music/{{Pink}}: Although ''Missundaztood'' was a massive success that established her own identity, this follow-up further exploring the rock elements played with before on her prior album didn't fare nearly as well commercially and resulted in P!nk leaving Crator/AristaRecords. However, 2006's fittingly-titled ''I'm Not Dead'', brought her back into the A-list and continued her hitmaking status well into the 2010s.

* ''Private Audition'' by Music/{{Heart}}: Due to label conflicts, the band entered a downward spiral in the early 1980s, with things particularly coming to a head with this album. It was critically panned for being a disjointed mess and did not even get certified; its followup ''Passionworks'' didn't fare any better. Ultimately though, they were signed to Creator/CapitolRecords and released their 1985 SelfTitledAlbum, which completely revitalized them as some of the biggest hitmakers of the MTV era.

* ''Nastradamus'' by Music/{{Nas}}: An album notorious for its rushed production schedule and stunt marketing designed to capitalize on the [=Y2K=] scare, it all but destroyed Nas' credibility after his previous two albums earned him accusations of selling out. His prospects changed, however, wen he released the vicious Music/JayZ diss track "Ether", the culmination of what is now one of the most iconic beefs in rap history. Nas solidified his comeback with the song's parent album ''Stillmatic'', which nearly rivals ''It Was Written'' as his best-received post-''Illmatic'' record and whose third single "One Mic" is considered a career highlight. Nas has remained a highly respected figure in the hip hop community ever since.

* ''Music/SelfPortrait'' by Music/BobDylan: This notorious collection of folk and country covers was reportedly made as a joke because Dylan was sick of being constantly praised as a divine figure in music. Despite the record's sheer infamy though, Dylan remained a household name throughout the 1970s, first with the landmark single "Knockin' on Heaven's Door" and then ''especially'' his legendary breakup album ''Music/BloodOnTheTracks'', a record so widely acclaimed that many consider it to be even better than his mid-'60s [=LPs=] to this day, most notably ''Magazine/RollingStone'', who ranked it higher than ''Music/Highway61Revisited'' on the 2020 version of their ''500 Greatest Albums of All Time''.

* ''Nastradamus'' by Music/{{Nas}}: An album notorious for its rushed production schedule and stunt marketing designed to capitalize on the [=Y2K=] scare, it all but destroyed Nas' credibility after his previous two albums earned him accusations of selling out. This all changed, however, with the release of his vicious Music/JayZ diss track "Ether", the culmination of what is now one of the most famous beefs in rap history. Nas solidified his comeback with the song's parent album ''Stillmatic'', which rivals ''It Was Written'' as his best-received post-''Illmatic'' record, with "One Mic" in particular being considered a career highlight.

*** Both albums likely Jossed, based on Todd liking a [[https://twitter.com/The_Leftie/status/1498788812578824194?s=20&t=GolYT2lx7AUbTp6BffzTZg tweet]] listing ''The Final Cut'' as an example disqualified for the show due to the band recovering afterwards, presumably with ''A Momentary Lapse of Reason'' or ''Music/TheDivisionBell'' (which by extent would disqualify the latter from being a true relevance-ender).

* ''Trans'' by Music/NeilYoung: An infamous album in Young's catalog, due to its embrace of electronic music and the vocoder. The album baffled fans and critics, sold poorly, and angered his new label Geffen Records, who sued Young for making a trio of "unrepresentative" experimental records as opposed to the hard folk rock expected of him at the time. However, whether any Neil Young album can be considered a Trainwreckord is difficult to parse, because Young is indifferent to the commercial success of his music, is known for making artistic left turns, and has made a career out of following his own muse and subverting fan expectations (For instance, when he followed his best selling ''Harvest'' album with the uncommercial "Ditch Trilogy" at the height of his 1970s fame). Not to mention, the album has had defenders over the years, including Todd who even admitted that he considered ''Trans'' [[https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/1540031618013794304?s=20&t=h8GGWJPeF2NM9JUfIAYfMQ a good album]] compared to some of his other releases, particularly ''Landing on Water'' which he called [[https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/1533268970358198273?s=20&t=RBlrtFuRUgwn_9PNeNmYuw "the worst thing he ever heard"]]. Either way, Young made a commercial and critical comeback with 1989's ''Freedom'' and 1992's ''Harvest Moon'', became a dependable touring artist and established himself as a mentor to the burgeoning alternative rock movement.

* ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway'' by Music/{{Genesis|Band}}: An ambitiously surreal RockOpera released just after the band found their artistic footing as ProgressiveRock juggernauts, the production was marred by squalid recording conditions and the premature birth of Music/PeterGabriel's daughter. The album was tepidly received, and its supporting tour quickly accumulated both debts and technical issues, burning out Gabriel and motivating him to leave the band, starting a solo career a couple years later. However, not only did Genesis manage to bounce back with Music/PhilCollins as frontman, growing into one of the biggest bands of the '80s, but ''The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway'' itself [[VindicatedByHistory went on to be regarded as one of the greatest prog albums ever made]], with the album going gold. Gabriel also established a successful solo career after leaving the band.

*** Both albums likely Jossed, based on Todd liking a [[https://twitter.com/The_Leftie/status/1498788812578824194?s=20&t=GolYT2lx7AUbTp6BffzTZg tweet]] listing ''The Final Cut'' as an example disqualified for the show due to the band recovering afterwards, presumably with ''A Momentary Lapse of Reason'' or ''The Division Bell'' (which by extent would disqualify the latter from being a true relevance-ender).

*** Both albums likely Jossed, based on Todd liking a [[https://twitter.com/The_Leftie/status/1498788812578824194?s=20&t=GolYT2lx7AUbTp6BffzTZg tweet]] listing ''The Final Cut'' as an example disqualified for the show due to the band recovering afterwards, presumably with ''A Momentary Lapse of Reason'' (which by extent would disqualify the latter from being a true relevance-ender).

* ''Music/TheLambLiesDownOnBroadway'' by Music/{{Genesis|Band}}: An ambitiously surreal RockOpera released just after the band found their artistic footing as ProgressiveRock juggernauts, the production was marred by squalid recording conditions and the premature birth of Music/PeterGabriel's daughter. The album was tepidly received, and its supporting tour quickly accumulated both debts and technical issues, burning out Gabriel and motivating him to leave the band, starting a solo career a couple years later. However, not only did Genesis manage to bounce back with Music/PhilCollins as frontman, growing into one of the biggest bands of the '80s, but ''The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway'' itself [[VindicatedByHistory went on to be regarded as one of the greatest prog albums ever made]].

* ''Nastradamus'' by Music/{{Nas}}: An album notorious for its rushed production schedule and stunt marketing designed to capitalize on the [=Y2K=] scare, it all but destroyed Nas' credibility after his previous two albums earned him accusations of selling out. This all changed, however, with the release of his vicious Music/JayZ diss track "Ether", the culmination of what is now one of the most famous beefs in rap history. Nas solidified his comeback with the track's parent album ''Stillmatic'', which rivals ''It Was Written'' as his best-received post-''Illmatic'' record, with "One Mic" in particular being considered a career highlight.

* ''Glitter'' and ''Charmbracelet'' by Music/MariahCarey: The early 2000s were a truly dark period for Mariah. Her reputation was tarnished by her [[CreatorBreakdown declining mental health]], universally panned attempt at a Hollywood breakout ''Film/{{Glitter}}'' (which Todd has already given a scathing review), and weakening voice. Against all odds though, she reaffirmed her title as the biggest pop singer in the world with ''The Emancipation of Mimi'' in 2005. Furthermore, the ''Glitter'' album has seen something of a resurgence in recent years, with her fans successfully campaigning in 2018 to get it charting at #1 on the [=iTunes=] album charts.

* ''Walking with a Panther'' and ''14 Shots to the Dome'' by Music/LLCoolJ: Coming off the massive success of his commercial breakout ''Bigger and Deffer'', ''Walking with a Panther'' was criticized for being overly soft and was also bogged down by his feud with Music/KoolMoeDee. However, his subsequent record ''Mama Said Knock You Out'' was a [[CareerResurrection career-resurrecting]] triumph, with the titular single being widely regarded as the highlight of his entire career.\\

* ''Nastradamus'' by Music/{{Nas}}: While the album initially looked to be the end of his career due to its uncharacteristically flatulent content, Nas put himself firmly back on the map with his universally acclaimed diss track "Ether" (a response to Music/JayZ's "Takeover"). Additionally, that song's parent album, ''Stillmatic'', is up with ''It Was Written'' as Nas' best-received post-''Illmatic'' record, with "One Mic" in particular being considered a career highlight (in addition to "Ether").

* Any of Music/ElvisPresley's '60s movie soundtracks: Despite these albums representing an artistic low point in Elvis' career, his [[Music/ElvisNBCTVSpecial 1968 NBC TV Special]] and 1969 studio album ''Music/FromElvisInMemphis'' were a triumphant comeback for him, not to mention "Suspicious Minds" became one of his most iconic #1 hits, and he continued finding plenty of success for the rest of his life.
* ''One Hot Minute'' by Music/RedHotChiliPeppers: Their previous album, ''Music/BloodSugarSexMagik'', had turned them into one of the biggest bands in the world after ruling the rising alternative rock scene in the late '80s, but soon afterwards, guitarist Music/JohnFrusciante left the lineup and was replaced with former Music/JanesAddiction guitarist Dave Navarro, who proved to be [[ReplacementScrappy far less popular]]. ''One Hot Minute'' finally came out in 1995 to a polarized reception, in contrast to the universal acclaim enjoyed by its predecessor. Many people felt Navarro had poor chemistry with the rest of the band compared to Frusciante. The album ended up with disappointing sales and very well could have ended their relevance had things continued course. Fortunately for them though, Frusciante returned to the band in 1998, resulting in 1999's ''Music/{{Californication}}'', a smash hit that returned them firmly back to their former glory.

** Todd instead covered its 2005 followup, ''Lost and Found''. He mentioned, in that review, that "Black Suits Comin'" was indeed his true career-killer, but that ''Lost and Found'' was such a strange and revealing album that it was worth covering, despite his musical career already being in decline at the time.

** Todd instead covered its 2005 followup, ''Lost and Found''. He mentioned, in that review, that "Black Suits Comin'" was indeed his true career-killer, but that ''Lost and Found'' was a strange and arguably important part of Smith's musical legacy.

** Todd covered ''American Dream'' by Music/CrosbyStillsNashAndYoung, so it's unlikely he'd review this, regardless of Neil Young's lack of involvement here.

** Todd instead covered its 2005 followup, ''Lost and Found''.

* ''Trans'' by Music/NeilYoung: An infamous album in Young's catalog, due to its embrace of electronic music and the vocoder. The album baffled fans and critics, sold poorly, and angered his new label Geffen Records, who sued Young for making a trio of "unrepresentative" experimental records as opposed to the hard folk rock expected of him at the time. However, whether any Neil Young album can be considered a Trainwreckord is difficult to parse, because Young is indifferent to the commercial success of his music, is known for making artistic left turns, and has made a career out of following his own muse and subverting fan expectations (For instance, when he followed his best selling ''Harvest'' album with the uncommercial "Ditch Trilogy" at the height of his 1970s fame). Not to mention, the album has had defenders over the years, including Todd who even admitted that he found that ''Trans'' [[https://twitter.com/ShadowTodd/status/1534957829651431424?s=20&t=6XW18DVAts0W-nrCh9Hm-A sounded pretty great]] compared to some of his other releases, particularly ''Landing on Water''. Either way, Young made a commercial and critical comeback with 1989's ''Freedom'' and 1992's ''Harvest Moon'', became a dependable touring artist and established himself as a mentor to the burgeoning alternative rock movement.

* ''The Love Movement'' by Music/ATribeCalledQuest: The album received polarizing reviews, and members Phife Dawg and Q-Tip were falling out with each other around this time, eventually breaking up after the album's release. However, the group managed to put their differences aside and reform before Phife Dawg tragically succumbed to diabetes and they closed their legacy on a high note in 2016 with the album ''We Got It from Here... Thank You 4 Your Service'', which became one of the biggest critical and commercial successes.

** Todd instead covered ''American Life''; justifying that ''Confessions on a Dancefloor'', ''Hard Candy'', and ''MDNA'' were not significant comebacks from that album's failure.