History WMG / Thud

* Alternatively, the Devices '''are''' Trolls - that is, alive in the same way trolls are alive. There are non-sentient troll-animals, like a kind of shapeless troll horse or troll ducks (which sink a lot). Devices could be the basic (or final) stage of 'evolution' of silicon-based life on Discworld - doing only one thing.

It's a bit suspicious that [[spoiler: Diamond and B'hrian would die simultaneously in mid-game, with the former's hand actually up in the air holding a piece]]. Nor is it plausible that [[spoiler: Diamond, if he was still hardy enough to play, couldn't have tried digging his way out of the cave. (Even ''normal'' trolls scratch can scratch graffiti into stone with their fingertips, remember?)]] Rather, the mortally-wounded [[spoiler: Diamond]] lived ''just'' long enough to ask his counterpart to set the tableau up in that way, as a final lesson to whomever received [[spoiler: the Cube's message]] and came looking for them. [[spoiler: B'hrian Bloodaxe respected his adversary-turned-friend's last request,]] and arranged things accordingly, making sure the pieces were set up so neither side had an advantage.

It's a bit suspicious that [[spoiler: Diamond and B'hrian would die simultaneously in mid-game, with the former's hand actually up in the air holding a piece]]. Nor is it plausible that [[spoiler: Diamond, if he was still hardy enough to play, couldn't have tried digging his way out of the cave. (Even ''normal'' trolls scratch can scratch graffiti into stone with their fingertips, remember?)]] Rather, the mortally-wounded [[spoiler: Diamond]] lived ''just'' long enough to ask his counterpart to set things up that way, as a final message to whomever received [[spoiler: the Cube's message]] and came looking for them. [[spoiler: B'hrian Bloodaxe respected his adversary-turned-friend's last request,]] and arranged things accordingly, making sure the pieces were set up so neither side had an advantage.

It's a bit suspicious that [[spoiler: Diamond and B'hrian would die simultaneously in mid-game, with the former's hand actually up in the air holding a piece]]. Rather, the pair agreed to arrange themselves that way as a lesson for whomever followed the message [[spoiler: inside the Cube]], and found them like that. They worked out the positions of the pieces to make sure it'd be clear that neither had the advantage.

In ''Discworld/TheFifthElephant'', we learn from the "Ironhammer & Bloodaxe" opera that a piece of "truth" had been concealed inside the original Scone, so that it could be smuggled past these dwarf heroes' enemies. The Scone came into the possession of B'hrain Bloodaxe, who died in the caves under Koom Valley, and had a Cube on hand to record his and the troll king's testament to the world. Why else would B'hrain have been carrying such a priceless Device with him, or personally owned one at all, if not because he'd broken open the first Scone in secret and extracted the Cube -- a Device recording a great truth, namely a recitation of the unaltered Things Tak Wrote -- so he could hear Ironhammer's voice again, after his beloved's suicide? He'd secretly re-baked the Scone from its shattered gravel, the first in a long series of dwarfs to do so, and kept the Cube that preserved Ironhammer's recital, adding his own to them when his death was imminent.

[[WMG: The Watchman in Vimes' mind in Thud! is from {{Watchmen}} ]]

[[WMG: The Summoning Dark is TheDarkness.]]

It gets into people's heads, and makes them act bad-tempered and subtly out of character. A sufficiently strong will can stop its influence, or even drive it out completely (as seen when the SD meets Vimes's inner watchman, or when the hiver is tricked into the "soul and center" of Tiffany's mind). The Summoning Dark itself remarks that it had spent millenia just drifting aimlessly across the multiverse before "spending the last 10,000 years as a superstition".

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Warning: [[ParanoiaFuel Paranoia Fuel]]; It's even harder to keep from hearing a sound pattern than seeing a wall.

To be more specific, a chicken soul that somehow ended up being reincarnated as a human. He was crazy because he subconsciously knew he was in the wrong body. The Chicken chasing after him was really Death of the Chickens, trying to kill his human body so he could be reincarnated properly.

[[WMG: The Watchman in Vimes' mind in Thud! is from [[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Watchmen Watchmen]] ]]

* Rorschach? Oh, come on; Vimes is pretty much ruled by the letter of the law. Rorschach is willing to be a vigilante, which effectively makes him a special kind of criminal (i.e., he operates ''outside of'' the law, and given the way Rorschach operates, he usually commits crimes like assault in the course of his work). You could argue for Rorschach having a similar tendency to snap and attack his "perpetrators" to Vimes', but if so Rorschach's is not only on anywhere near as tight a leash as Vimes', but it's probably fairly completely uncontrolled. Vimes is ''way'' more badass than Rorschach.

In ''Discworld/TheFifthElephant'', we learn from the "Ironhammer & Bloodaxe" opera that a piece of "truth" had been concealed inside the original Scone, so that it could be smuggled past these dwarf heroes' enemies. The Scone came into the possession of B'hrain Bloodaxe, who died in the caves under Koom Valley, and had a Cube on hand to record his and the troll king's testament to the world. Why else would B'hrain have been carrying such a priceless Device with him, or personally owned one at all, if not because he'd broken open the first Scone in secret and extracted the Cube -- a Device recording a great truth, namely a recitation of the unaltered Things Tak Wrote -- so he could hear Ironhammer's voice again, after his beloved's suicide? He'd secretly re-baked the Scone from its shattered gravel, the first in a long series of dwarfs to do so, and kept the Cube that preserved Ironhammer's recital, adding his own to them when his death was imminent.

Incredibly ancient quasidemonic ''thing'' that needs a host in order to manifest and feeds off of their negative emotions like anger and hatred? I can't be the only person who read its lines with MikePatton's voice in my head.

* Or alternatively, Vimes is going to become the God of Justice/Watchmen after he dies, in much the same way that [[spoiler: The Duchess replaced Nuggan]] in ''{{Discworld/Monstrous Regiment}}''. We know it's possible now, and Vimes' reputation and the way the rest of the watch look up to him is reminiscent of [[spoiler: The Duchess]].

* Or alternatively, Vimes is going to become the God of Justice/Watchmen after he dies, in much the same way that [[spoiler: The Duchess replaced Nuggan]] in ''{{Discworld}}/MonstrousRegiment''. We know it's possible now, and Vimes' reputation and the way the rest of the watch look up to him is reminiscent of [[spoiler: The Duchess]].

* Or alternatively, Vimes is going to become the God of Justice/Watchmen after he dies, in much the same way that [[spoiler: The Duchess replaced Nuggan]] in ''{{Discworld/MonstrousRegiment}}''. We know it's possible now, and Vimes' reputation and the way the rest of the watch look up to him is reminiscent of [[spoiler: The Duchess]].

Incredibly ancient quasidemonic ''thing'' that needs a host in order manifest and feeds off of their negative emotions like anger and hatred? I can't be the only person who read its lines with MikePatton's voice in my head.

Incredibly ancient quasidemonic ''thing'' that possesses people and feeds off of their negative emotions like anger and hatred? I can't be the only person who read its lines with MikePatton's voice in my head.

** Being knurd, it seems, would just make it worse. The reason Vimes is fine you're looking for is pure, unadulterated, badass.

* Or prehaps it fell with the fifth elefant. vimes reflected that the trolls prehaps was there as it fell

In ''The Fifth Elephant'', we learn from the "Ironhammer & Bloodaxe" opera that a piece of "truth" had been concealed inside the original Scone, so that it could be smuggled past these dwarf heroes' enemies. The Scone came into the possession of B'hrain Bloodaxe, who died in the caves under Koom Valley, and had a Cube on hand to record his and the troll king's testament to the world. Why else would B'hrain have been carrying such a priceless Device with him, or personally owned one at all, if not because he'd broken open the first Scone in secret and extracted the Cube -- a Device recording a great truth, namely a recitation of the unaltered Things Tak Wrote -- so he could hear Ironhammer's voice again, after his beloved's suicide? He'd secretly re-baked the Scone from its shattered gravel, the first in a long series of dwarfs to do so, and kept the Cube that preserved Ironhammer's recital, adding his own to them when his death was imminent.

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In ''The Fifth Elephant'', we learn from the "Ironhammer & Bloodax" opera that a piece of "truth" had been concealed inside the original Scone, so that it could be smuggled past these dwarf heroes' enemies. The Scone came into the possession of B'hrain Bloodax, who died in the caves under Koom Valley, and had a Cube on hand to record his and the troll king's testament to the world. Why else would B'hrain have been carrying such a priceless Device, or personally owned one, if not because he'd broken open the first Scone in secret and extracted the Cube -- a Device recording a great truth, an unaltered recitation of the Things Tak Wrote -- so he could hear Ironhammer's voice again, after his beloved's suicide? He'd secretly re-baked the Scone from its shattered gravel, the first in a long series of dwarfs to do so, and kept the Cube that preserved Ironhammer's recital, adding his own to them when his death was imminent.