Line #26 WMG/Thud - TV Tropes


1	[[AC: {{WMG}}s for the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' book ''Literature/{{Thud}}''. Warning: Potential unmarked spoilers.]]
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3	[[WMG: The Battle of Koom Valley is a fractured [[http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/blit.htm Parrot]] ]]
4	Warning: ParanoiaFuel; It's even harder to keep from hearing a sound pattern than seeing a wall. One of the sounds stored in Methodia Rascal's Device was an [[BrownNote auditory version of The Parrot]] from ''Blit''. He started "hearing" the Chicken, hearing it get closer... and closer... as it honed in on his position in the realm of his mind, he becomes less and less attached to where his mind is than the Chicken does, causing increasing "errors" in not only his reality, but his painting as well. He heard the fractured Parrot/Chicken from the Device, and drew it into ''The Battle of Koom Valley.'' When it was complete, he had painted the last bit of the Chicken, and it all fell into place (causing his mind to fall out of place). The feathers were just a result of his belief in the Chicken convincing the universe too that it existed. Alternately, it could be an auditory version of the Summoning Dark, sealing the -ness, which then escaped in the actual form of a Mind-chicken. Alternately alternately, at least two Darks could be Parrot patterns, and Vimes was just Knurd enough not to be affected beyond repair.
5	* Being knurd, it seems, would just make it worse. The reason Vimes is fine you're looking for is pure, unadulterated, badass.
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7	[[WMG: Rascal was really a chicken]]
8	To be more specific, a chicken soul that somehow ended up being reincarnated as a human. He was crazy because he subconsciously knew he was in the wrong body. The Chicken chasing after him was really Death of the Chickens, trying to kill his human body so he could be reincarnated properly.
9	* Slight problem - Rascal was running from the Chicken for more than the mere amount of time covered in Reaper Man, the only period when a unique Death of Chickens could have existed. Death was alone before then, and the only survivors of his reassimilating the other, specific deaths into himself were the Death of Rats and the Death of Fleas.
10	* He was a chicken trapped in a man's body. He was afraid of his inner chicken, because most people saw this kind of thing as some sort of abomination. It was all very metaphorical.
11	* That's just silly.
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13	[[WMG: Rascal became obsessed with chickens because a Fury attacked him at Koom Valley.]]
14	The Furies (seen in ''Unseen Academicals'') resemble chickens, and as flying creatures they're among the few races that could've safely settled Koom Valley for any length of time. Birds tend to be fascinated by shiny objects, so Furies living in the Valley could have noticed the Cube centuries ago, and considered it theirs, although they lacked the means to remove it from its chains. When Rascal stumbled upon and removed it, one of the Furies spotted the "theft", and tried but failed to wrest it away from him; having never heard of Furies, he named her "the Chicken" in his own mind. When he returned to Ankh-Morpork, the Fury stubbornly came after him, berating him from the shadows with chicken-squawk accusations, just as the Sisters harassed Nutt.
15	* That would be why the cube started talking in the first place, Rascal didn't start it, it was the Furies' "Awk! Awk!"
16	** In which case, the Koom Valley guide who told Eric Wheelbrace that he'd heard the sounds of battle coming from a sinkhole might have been recounting something that'd actually happened to one of his ancestors, assuming Furies had been making the Cube talk in its chains for years before Rascal's arrival.
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18	[[WMG: The Devices were made by Trolls.]]
19	Trolls get smarter as it gets colder -- Detritus almost ''solved the universe'' when he got locked into the meat-futures freezer. The Devices are the last surviving traces of a Trollish civilization that flourished the last time the Disc went through an ice age. In ''Thud'', it's mentioned that Devices are usually found under mountains, and in ''Sourcery'', a long-ago ice age is mentioned.
20	* Or perhaps it fell due to the fifth elephant. Vimes reflected that the trolls could have been there when it hit.
21	* Alternatively, the Devices '''are''' Trolls - that is, alive in the same way trolls are alive. There are non-sentient troll-animals, like a kind of shapeless troll horse or troll ducks (which sink a lot). Devices could be a basic stage of the 'evolution' of silicon-based life on Discworld - doing only one thing.
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23	[[WMG: The Cube from ''Thud!'' was once baked inside the original Scone of Stone.]]
24	In ''Literature/TheFifthElephant'', we learn from the "Ironhammer & Bloodaxe" opera that a piece of "truth" had been concealed inside the original Scone, so that it could be smuggled past these dwarf heroes' enemies. The Scone came into the possession of B'hrian Bloodaxe, who died in the caves under Koom Valley, and had a Cube on hand to record his and the troll king's testament to the world. Why else would B'hrian have been carrying such a priceless Device with him, or personally owned one at all, if not because he'd broken open the first Scone in secret and extracted the Cube -- a Device recording a great truth, namely a recitation of the unaltered Things Tak Wrote -- so he could hear Ironhammer's voice again, after his beloved's suicide? He'd secretly re-baked the Scone from its shattered gravel, the first in a long series of dwarfs to do so, and kept the Cube that preserved Ironhammer's recital, adding his own to them when his death was imminent.
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26	[[WMG: The Summoning Dark is somehow related to [[Literature/AHatFullOfSky hivers]] and Literature\|MauriceAndHisEducatedRodents "Spider".]]
27	It gets into people's heads, and makes them act bad-tempered and subtly out of character. A sufficiently strong will can stop its influence, or even drive it out completely (as seen when the SD meets Vimes's inner watchman, or when the hiver is tricked into the "soul and center" of Tiffany's mind). The Summoning Dark itself remarks that it had spent eons just drifting aimlessly across the multiverse before "spending the last 10,000 years as a superstition".
28	** Spider and the Summoning Dark have other interesting parallels; both are encountered by heroic if cynical beings (Dangerous Beans and Sam Vimes)
29	who are usually at home in the dark but know the potential danger in it. Both are tempted by potential useful but vengeful power but reject it as a path to their goals, accepting the imperfection of themselves instead. Dangerous Beans and Vimes are also, interestingly, voiced with identical tones and inflections in the original audiobooks.
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31	[[WMG: The Summoning Dark is ComicBook/TheDarkness.]]
32	Incredibly ancient quasidemonic ''thing'' that needs a host in order to manifest and feeds off of their negative emotions like anger and hatred? I can't be the only person who read its lines with Music/MikePatton's voice in my head.
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34	[[WMG: The Inner Watchman is actually DW's god of justice.]]
35	Since we know how discworld, and Cori Celesti function, it is a safe bet that if there was ever a god of justice, and it is just one of those gods you just have to have, I mean even if no one actually would pray to him/it, there is a little piece in any person that believes in part at the actual concept of justice. So, we have a relatively minor god, that would never be welcome in the big place anyway because everyone there cheats, with nowhere to actually 'live as it is' except pure ethereal plane. On the other hand, we have Sam Vimes, who self admitedly does not trust in the gods, but he does fervently, and with all of his formidable willpower believe in justice, because without it he would be The beast. And, we know from Small Gods that one sole adherent of sufficiently strong belief can make a god, and also that the nature of the adherent in that case would affect the nature of the god in question.
36	* Or alternatively, Vimes is going to become the God of Justice/Watchmen after he dies, in much the same way that [[spoiler: The Duchess replaced Nuggan]] in ''Literature/MonstrousRegiment''. We know it's possible now, and Vimes' reputation and the way the rest of the watch look up to him is reminiscent of [[spoiler: The Duchess]].
37	* Technically there already is a God of Justice on the Disc, although he was last seen beating another god over the head with his flail during Djelibeybi's sojourn in a pocket dimension from ''Pyramids''.
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39	[[WMG: The Guarding Dark will join the dwarfs' pantheon of Dark symbols.]]
40	It will become the mine-sign symbol of determination and justice, and it'll be drawn as a circle with "177" - Vimes' badge number - drawn across it.
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42	[[WMG: The "Kings' Game" was intentionally set up as a draw.]]
43	It's a bit suspicious that [[spoiler: Diamond and B'hrian would die simultaneously in mid-game, with the former's hand actually up in the air holding a piece]]. Nor is it plausible that [[spoiler: Diamond, if he was still hardy enough to play, couldn't have tried digging his way out of the cave. (Even ''normal'' trolls can scratch graffiti into stone with their fingertips, remember?)]] Rather, the mortally-wounded [[spoiler: Diamond]] lived ''just'' long enough to ask his counterpart to set the tableau up in that way, as a final lesson to whomever received [[spoiler: the Cube's message]] and came looking for them. [[spoiler: B'hrian Bloodaxe respected his adversary-turned-friend's last request,]] and arranged things accordingly, making sure the pieces were set up so neither side had an advantage.
44	* Alternatively, they actually did play up until that point, realized they had reached a setup where the game could go either way, and stopped at that point, because neither really wanted to win, just to die as friends.
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46	[[WMG: Mr. Shine is part-human (or possibly dwarf).]]
47	That's why he's carbon-based rather than silicon.
48	* Except Discworld trolls have always been partially carbon, as they all have diamond teeth. Silicon-based life constituting a mutually-exclusive ''alternative'' to carbon-based life is more of a scifi concept than fantasy; in reality, many organisms like glass sponges, diatoms, or grass contain both. Plus, plenty of rocks on Earth contain carbon, including some (calcite, chalk) that specific Discworld trolls are named for.
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50	[[WMG: Jeremy Clockson built Angua's custom moon-watch.]]
51	It's the sort of unusual timepiece that Jeremy would've considered a neat intellectual exercise to work on, when Carrot went looking for a clockmaker who could construct Angua's present.
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