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[[WMG: The Summoning Dark is somehow related to [[Literature/AHatFullOfSky hivers]].]]

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[[WMG: The Summoning Dark is somehow related to [[Literature/AHatFullOfSky hivers]].hivers]] and Literature|MauriceAndHisEducatedRodents "Spider".]]



** Or it could be related to the [[Literature/IShallWearMidnight Cunning Man]], for much the same reasons.

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** Or it could be related to Spider and the [[Literature/IShallWearMidnight Cunning Man]], for much Summoning Dark have other interesting parallels; both are encountered by heroic if cynical beings (Dangerous Beans and Sam Vimes)
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dark but know the potential danger in it. Both are tempted by potential useful but vengeful power but reject it as a path to their goals, accepting the imperfection of themselves instead. Dangerous Beans and Vimes are also, interestingly, voiced with identical tones and inflections in the original audiobooks.

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[[WMG: The Watchman in Vimes' mind in Thud! is from ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} ]]
It's actually Rorschach. [[AGodAmI Dr. Manhattan]] sent him there to protect Vimes, and so that he could truly become the hero he always wanted to be(or something like that).
* Rorschach? Oh, come on; Vimes is pretty much ruled by the letter of the law. Rorschach is willing to be a vigilante, which effectively makes him a special kind of criminal (i.e., he operates ''outside of'' the law, and given the way Rorschach operates, he usually commits crimes like assault in the course of his work). You could argue for Rorschach having a similar tendency to snap and attack his "perpetrators" to Vimes', but if so Rorschach's is not only on anywhere near as tight a leash as Vimes', but it's probably fairly completely uncontrolled. Vimes is ''way'' more badass than Rorschach.
** Yeah. if anything in Vimes' mind is Rorschach, it's the Beast that the Watchman guards against.
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* Except Discworld trolls have always been partially carbon, as they all have diamond teeth. Silicon-based life only constituting an ''alternative'' to carbon-based is more of a scifi concept than fantasy; in reality, many real-world organisms like glass sponges, diatoms, or grass contain both. Plus, plenty of rocks on Earth contain carbon, including some (calcite, chalk) that specific Discworld trolls are named for.

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* Except Discworld trolls have always been partially carbon, as they all have diamond teeth. Silicon-based life only constituting an a mutually-exclusive ''alternative'' to carbon-based life is more of a scifi concept than fantasy; in reality, many real-world organisms like glass sponges, diatoms, or grass contain both. Plus, plenty of rocks on Earth contain carbon, including some (calcite, chalk) that specific Discworld trolls are named for.
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* Except Discworld trolls have always been partially carbon, as they all have diamond teeth. Silicon-based life only constituting an ''alternative'' to carbon-based is more of a scifi concept than fantasy; in reality, many real-world organisms like glass sponges or grass contain both. Plus, plenty of rocks on Earth contain carbon, including some (calcite, chalk) that specific Discworld trolls are named for.

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* Except Discworld trolls have always been partially carbon, as they all have diamond teeth. Silicon-based life only constituting an ''alternative'' to carbon-based is more of a scifi concept than fantasy; in reality, many real-world organisms like glass sponges sponges, diatoms, or grass contain both. Plus, plenty of rocks on Earth contain carbon, including some (calcite, chalk) that specific Discworld trolls are named for.
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* Except Discworld trolls have always been partially carbon, as they all have diamond teeth. Being silicon-based as only an ''alternative'' to carbon-based is a scifi concept; plus, plenty of rocks on Earth contain carbon, including some (calcite, chalk) that specific Discworld trolls are named for.

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* Except Discworld trolls have always been partially carbon, as they all have diamond teeth. Being silicon-based as Silicon-based life only constituting an ''alternative'' to carbon-based is more of a scifi concept; plus, concept than fantasy; in reality, many real-world organisms like glass sponges or grass contain both. Plus, plenty of rocks on Earth contain carbon, including some (calcite, chalk) that specific Discworld trolls are named for.
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* Except Discworld trolls have always been partially carbon, as they all have diamond teeth. Being silicon-based as only an ''alternative'' to carbon-based is a scifi concept; plus, plenty of rocks on Earth contain carbon, including some (calcite, chalk) that specific Discworld trolls are named for.
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[[WMG: Jeremy Clockson built Angua's custom moon-watch.]]
It's the sort of unusual timepiece that Jeremy would've considered a neat intellectual exercise to work on, when Carrot went looking for a clockmaker who could construct Angua's present.
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[[WMG: Mr. Shine is part-human (or possibly dwarf).]]
That's why he's carbon-based rather than silicon.
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[[AC: {{WMG}}s for Literature/{{Discworld}} / Discworld/{{Thud}}. Warning: Potential unmarked spoilers.]]

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[[AC: {{WMG}}s for Literature/{{Discworld}} / Discworld/{{Thud}}.the ''Literature/{{Discworld}}'' book ''Literature/{{Thud}}''. Warning: Potential unmarked spoilers.]]



In ''Discworld/TheFifthElephant'', we learn from the "Ironhammer & Bloodaxe" opera that a piece of "truth" had been concealed inside the original Scone, so that it could be smuggled past these dwarf heroes' enemies. The Scone came into the possession of B'hrian Bloodaxe, who died in the caves under Koom Valley, and had a Cube on hand to record his and the troll king's testament to the world. Why else would B'hrian have been carrying such a priceless Device with him, or personally owned one at all, if not because he'd broken open the first Scone in secret and extracted the Cube -- a Device recording a great truth, namely a recitation of the unaltered Things Tak Wrote -- so he could hear Ironhammer's voice again, after his beloved's suicide? He'd secretly re-baked the Scone from its shattered gravel, the first in a long series of dwarfs to do so, and kept the Cube that preserved Ironhammer's recital, adding his own to them when his death was imminent.

[[WMG: The Summoning Dark is somehow related to [[Discworld/AHatFullOfSky hivers]].]]

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In ''Discworld/TheFifthElephant'', ''Literature/TheFifthElephant'', we learn from the "Ironhammer & Bloodaxe" opera that a piece of "truth" had been concealed inside the original Scone, so that it could be smuggled past these dwarf heroes' enemies. The Scone came into the possession of B'hrian Bloodaxe, who died in the caves under Koom Valley, and had a Cube on hand to record his and the troll king's testament to the world. Why else would B'hrian have been carrying such a priceless Device with him, or personally owned one at all, if not because he'd broken open the first Scone in secret and extracted the Cube -- a Device recording a great truth, namely a recitation of the unaltered Things Tak Wrote -- so he could hear Ironhammer's voice again, after his beloved's suicide? He'd secretly re-baked the Scone from its shattered gravel, the first in a long series of dwarfs to do so, and kept the Cube that preserved Ironhammer's recital, adding his own to them when his death was imminent.

[[WMG: The Summoning Dark is somehow related to [[Discworld/AHatFullOfSky [[Literature/AHatFullOfSky hivers]].]]



** Or it could be related to the [[Discworld/IShallWearMidnight Cunning Man]], for much the same reasons.

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** Or it could be related to the [[Discworld/IShallWearMidnight [[Literature/IShallWearMidnight Cunning Man]], for much the same reasons.



* Or alternatively, Vimes is going to become the God of Justice/Watchmen after he dies, in much the same way that [[spoiler: The Duchess replaced Nuggan]] in ''Discworld/MonstrousRegiment''. We know it's possible now, and Vimes' reputation and the way the rest of the watch look up to him is reminiscent of [[spoiler: The Duchess]].

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* Or alternatively, Vimes is going to become the God of Justice/Watchmen after he dies, in much the same way that [[spoiler: The Duchess replaced Nuggan]] in ''Discworld/MonstrousRegiment''.''Literature/MonstrousRegiment''. We know it's possible now, and Vimes' reputation and the way the rest of the watch look up to him is reminiscent of [[spoiler: The Duchess]].

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Warning: ParanoiaFuel; It's even harder to keep from hearing a sound pattern than seeing a wall.
One of the sounds stored in Methodia Rascal's Device was an [[BrownNote auditory version of The Parrot]] from ''Blit''. He started "hearing" the Chicken, hearing it get closer... and closer... as it honed in on his position in the realm of his mind, he becomes less and less attached to where his mind is than the Chicken does, causing increasing "errors" in not only his reality, but his painting as well. He heard the fractured Parrot/Chicken from the Device, and drew it into ''The Battle of Koom Valley.'' When it was complete, he had painted the last bit of the Chicken, and it all fell into place (causing his mind to fall out of place). The feathers were just a result of his belief in the Chicken convincing the universe too that it existed. Alternately, it could be an auditory version of the Summoning Dark, sealing the -ness, which then escaped in the actual form of a Mind-chicken. Alternately alternately, at least two Darks could be Parrot patterns, and Vimes was just Knurd enough not to be affected beyond repair.

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Warning: ParanoiaFuel; It's even harder to keep from hearing a sound pattern than seeing a wall.
wall. One of the sounds stored in Methodia Rascal's Device was an [[BrownNote auditory version of The Parrot]] from ''Blit''. He started "hearing" the Chicken, hearing it get closer... and closer... as it honed in on his position in the realm of his mind, he becomes less and less attached to where his mind is than the Chicken does, causing increasing "errors" in not only his reality, but his painting as well. He heard the fractured Parrot/Chicken from the Device, and drew it into ''The Battle of Koom Valley.'' When it was complete, he had painted the last bit of the Chicken, and it all fell into place (causing his mind to fall out of place). The feathers were just a result of his belief in the Chicken convincing the universe too that it existed. Alternately, it could be an auditory version of the Summoning Dark, sealing the -ness, which then escaped in the actual form of a Mind-chicken. Alternately alternately, at least two Darks could be Parrot patterns, and Vimes was just Knurd enough not to be affected beyond repair.
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Incredibly ancient quasidemonic ''thing'' that needs a host in order to manifest and feeds off of their negative emotions like anger and hatred? I can't be the only person who read its lines with MikePatton's voice in my head.

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Incredibly ancient quasidemonic ''thing'' that needs a host in order to manifest and feeds off of their negative emotions like anger and hatred? I can't be the only person who read its lines with MikePatton's Music/MikePatton's voice in my head.

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