History WMG / TheSecretOfNIMH

20th Dec '15 4:38:57 PM nombretomado
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[[WMG: The Great Owl is [[TheSilmarillion Mandos]]]]

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[[WMG: The Great Owl is [[TheSilmarillion [[Literature/TheSilmarillion Mandos]]]]



[[WMG: The Great Owl is [[TheSilmarillion Mandos]]]]

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[[WMG: The Great Owl is [[TheSilmarillion [[Literature/TheSilmarillion Mandos]]]]
3rd Dec '15 11:34:00 AM PurrElise
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3rd Dec '15 11:32:14 AM PurrElise
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[[WMG:The reason Martin gets over being turned insane in NIMH 2 is because the rats gave him a prefrontal lobotmy]]
* Hence the bandage on his head.



[[WMG: Nicodemus' "Prophecy" in the sequel actually applied to Martin, Not Timmy]]
So, "a son of Jonathan Brisby" will save the rats from the evil of NIMH, will he? Who was it, again, that managed to turn the tables on Valentine? That's right, Martin. Just because he turned temporarily evil doesn't mean his actions didn't benefit rodentkind as a whole. Jenny and Timmy get points for saving ''him,''
naturally, but Martin was the only genuine ChosenOne.

* Actually,this makes since to me.I mean,even though Martin turned evil,he DID turn the human scientists into dogs.We never see them get turned back,and they possibly died in the fire,so the scientists of NIMH are unable to do anymore harm.Martin truly is the Chosen One.
2nd Sep '15 8:50:04 AM ThomasSmith
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[[WMG: Whatever NIMH injected into the rats and mice was contagious.]]

The animals in Fitzgibbon's field seem rather intelligent. Sure, it could just be typical cartoonish anthropomorphism, but perhaps the injection given to the rats and mice of NIMH was contagious somehow. The rats and mice got the concentrated dose, so they're far more intelligent, but Mrs. Brisby (whose mate was a NIMH escapee) and her family seem quite smart, even compared to their 'neighbors'. They have a fully furnished home and wear clothes (The Shrew picked up the habit, or perhaps caught the 'bug' from Mrs. Brisby). The Great Owl is so smart because he ate one of the rats of NIMH, thereby getting the 'full' dose (Hell, he even LOOKS a bit like Nicodemus).
* Perhaps the intelligence is spread ''psychically.'' Nicodemus demonstrates telekinetic powers throughout the film; by extension, the enhanced rats and mice likely possess latent psychic talents that allow their exceptional intelligence to spread to those around them. It may be restricted to rodents and birds, since Dragon didn't show phenomenal intelligence even after eating Jonathan Brisby.
* That would suggest Theory of Primary Perception in animal form, AKA everything is linked by psychic, unconscious bonds; and by extension Collective Unconscious. But something that can bring out latent psychic powers in ANIMALS would have humans swarming all over NIMH, and NIMH itself would quadruple its efforts to capture the Rats. Besides, it still doesn't sound entirely correct for mutations to occur by something simply being there and unconsciously making them happen.
* The psychic powers are ''{{canon}}.'' [[RuleOfPerception We see them.]] And that variety of mutation happens in cartoons quite often...
** But psychic powers don't cause mutations themselves. Besides, wouldn't it be ridiculously painful for Mrs. Brisby to suffer the same kind of alterations the Rats did? Even through alternate means? Back to the Mantra.
** It was ridiculously painful. Her hands were in bandages for quite some time after she used that locket.
*** True, but that was because she was holding sternly on to the locket even as he burned into her skin, right?
* These mutations would have occurred around the time that the Rats of NIMH first arrived in the field. The delivery system is based on a passive psychic field; it would most likely be a gradual process rather than the rapid and painful mutation that the Rats experienced. Do you think this sounds bizarre enough?
* Passive psychic mutations? Wouldn't ole' Nicodemus know about that?
** Who knows? Maybe he did, and never got the chance to tell anyone before Jenner flattened him.
** He decided to be sadistic and tell Brisby, "Your probably just like us now, but I'm going to tell you you'd have died first, and then told you the truth once we moved your house. Oops, I'm dead! Sorry 'bout that." Nicodemus must have had a layer of humor under all that mystery.
* Covers both the "Why Mrs. Frisby/Brisby Had A Shorter Lifespan" and "Why No Extreme Pain Was Experienced": The pain was physically real, not a result of the neural network rewrite, and a result of the cells changing due to something in the injections that was not contagious, but would allow for inheritable increased lifespan and physical abilities. The intelligence side effect was something else in the cocktail of drugs and viruses. If it was contagious, it would only have mild flu-like or cold symptoms if anything (if thanks to the telepathy, it could have no symptoms, and Nicodemus simply didn't know of the effects). If it was not, then it could be a result of the animals being affected by their interactions with Johnathan and Mr. Ages, and indirectly through Mrs. Frisby and the children.
2nd Sep '15 8:48:55 AM ThomasSmith
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[[WMG: The stone contains Johnathan Brisby's Soul.]]
Why else would Nicodemus talk to it referring to it as Johnathan? Plus it only worked for Mrs. Brisby when the time was right.

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[[WMG: The stone contains Johnathan Brisby's Soul.]]
Why else would Nicodemus talk to it referring to it as Johnathan? Plus it only worked for Mrs. Brisby when the time was right.



[[WMG: The Red Stone contained Johnathan Brisby's soul.]]
Why else would Nicodemus talk to the stone like it was his fallen comrade? And why else did it only work for Mrs. Brisby alone?

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[[WMG: The Red Stone contained Johnathan Brisby's soul.]]
Why else would Nicodemus talk to the stone like it was his fallen comrade? And why else did it only work for Mrs. Brisby alone?



[[WMG: The stone contains Johnathan Brisby's Soul.]]
Why else would Nicodemus talk to it referring to it as Johnathan? Plus it only worked for Mrs. Brisby when the time was right.

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[[WMG: The stone contains Johnathan Brisby's Soul.]]
Why else would Nicodemus talk to it referring to it as Johnathan? Plus it only worked for Mrs. Brisby when the time was right.
3rd Aug '15 3:43:29 AM tropower
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* Perhaps the intelligence is spread ''psychically.'' Nicodemus demonstrates telekinetic powers throughout the film; by extension, the enhanced rats and mice likely possess latent psychic talents that allow their exceptional intelligence to spread to those around them. It may be restricted to rodents and birds, since Dragon didn't show phenomenal intelligence even after eating Jonathan Brisby.

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* Perhaps the intelligence is spread ''psychically.'' Nicodemus demonstrates telekinetic powers throughout the film; by extension, the enhanced rats and mice likely possess latent psychic talents that allow their exceptional intelligence to spread to those around them. It may be restricted to rodents and birds, since Dragon didn't show phenomenal intelligence even after eating Jonathan Brisby.
11th Jul '15 5:02:26 PM nombretomado
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The "Witches" were horrific hallucinations brought on both by the drugs and by incomplete "readings" of the various scientists' minds. For instance, Charlotte was inspired by one scientist thinking he should get some more baby mice to feed his pet snake, and Uhrmann [[TearJerker was actually a dog in the lab, wondering why the]] [[HumansAreCthulhu scientists were doing all these horrible things to her]]. Kyubey was a BrokenBird rat who sensed that humans tend to regard rats as vermin, and hence believed that the other rats should willingly sacrifice themselves to the humans' experiments. As to why they imagined themselves as Japanese anime characters? One of the chief NIMH researchers was originally from Japan, and a MagicalGirl anime fan. (Madoka herself bore some resemblance to classic Magical Girl [[MagicalPrincessMinkyMomo Minky Momo]], which incidentally also came out in 1982.)

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The "Witches" were horrific hallucinations brought on both by the drugs and by incomplete "readings" of the various scientists' minds. For instance, Charlotte was inspired by one scientist thinking he should get some more baby mice to feed his pet snake, and Uhrmann [[TearJerker was actually a dog in the lab, wondering why the]] [[HumansAreCthulhu scientists were doing all these horrible things to her]]. Kyubey was a BrokenBird rat who sensed that humans tend to regard rats as vermin, and hence believed that the other rats should willingly sacrifice themselves to the humans' experiments. As to why they imagined themselves as Japanese anime characters? One of the chief NIMH researchers was originally from Japan, and a MagicalGirl anime fan. (Madoka herself bore some resemblance to classic Magical Girl [[MagicalPrincessMinkyMomo [[Anime/MagicalPrincessMinkyMomo Minky Momo]], which incidentally also came out in 1982.)



The "Witches" were horrific hallucinations brought on both by the drugs and by incomplete "readings" of the various scientists' minds. For instance, Charlotte was inspired by one scientist thinking he should get some more baby mice to feed his pet snake, and Uhrmann [[TearJerker was actually a dog in the lab, wondering why the]] [[HumansAreCthulhu scientists were doing all these horrible things to her]]. Kyubey was a BrokenBird rat who sensed that humans tend to regard rats as vermin, and hence believed that the other rats should willingly sacrifice themselves to the humans' experiments. As to why they imagined themselves as Japanese anime characters? One of the chief NIMH researchers was originally from Japan, and a MagicalGirl anime fan. (Madoka herself bore some resemblance to classic Magical Girl [[MagicalPrincessMinkyMomo Minky Momo]], which incidentally also came out in 1982.)

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The "Witches" were horrific hallucinations brought on both by the drugs and by incomplete "readings" of the various scientists' minds. For instance, Charlotte was inspired by one scientist thinking he should get some more baby mice to feed his pet snake, and Uhrmann [[TearJerker was actually a dog in the lab, wondering why the]] [[HumansAreCthulhu scientists were doing all these horrible things to her]]. Kyubey was a BrokenBird rat who sensed that humans tend to regard rats as vermin, and hence believed that the other rats should willingly sacrifice themselves to the humans' experiments. As to why they imagined themselves as Japanese anime characters? One of the chief NIMH researchers was originally from Japan, and a MagicalGirl anime fan. (Madoka herself bore some resemblance to classic Magical Girl [[MagicalPrincessMinkyMomo [[Anime/MagicalPrincessMinkyMomo Minky Momo]], which incidentally also came out in 1982.)
23rd Jan '15 3:17:48 AM ThePrezident
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[[WMG: Secret Of NIMH, American Tail, The Rescuers...]]
They're all set in the same universe. Most city dwelling or otherwise civilized creatures can communicate between each other rather fluidly, while creatures that have little or no exposure to community have less grasp on the 'common' language, or are just stupid, resulting in there sometimes being talking animals and sometimes non-talking animals that behave much more like animals.

Good news! This means that, eventually, life for mousekind may well get much better in Manhattan with the formation of the Rescue Aid Society and the many preceding events required for such an organization that can span the world, and very probably creatures harmed by scientific testing can be taken into protective custody and rehabilitated.
27th Aug '14 6:21:31 PM Homemaderat
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* While less interesting, but holds true in both is the idea that humans underestimate animal intelligence. The NIMH experiment had them thinking rats were "F" level smart when they were already "C", so with the serum they were only expecting them to get to "C" but got to "A". Which allowed them to outsmart the humans and escape. The non experimental animals show some intelligence but not really to the level the experimental ones do. But with teaching of the smarter one's they can clearly better themselves. All of this of course going straight over all the human character's heads on purpose.
22nd Feb '14 3:20:04 AM Cush1
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[[WMG: The Great Owl was inadvertently enhanced by the serum the rats were given.]]

* This borders on fridge logic: The Great Owl looks similar to Nicodemus, and is as intelligent as the rats, because he ate some of them early on, and whatever serum they were given mutated him as well. His induced intelligence, while not as benign as the rats', is what allows him to form a tenuous alliance with Nicodemus.
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