History WMG / TheReturn

This may be {{canon}} and I just forgot, but Nariko is an elegant, but kind hearted, woman. Eve is the very model of the Germanic (or stereotypical version at least) ideal of beauty and power, Morgan is short and cute, and Morrison is pretty much a generic female agent (which fits with his crush on Andrea). Misako/Aurora is a special case due to Alexia's ''[[MindRape alter]][[InvoluntaryTransformation ations]]''.

This WMG page contains fan theories for ''both'' [[FanFic/TheReturn the Fan-Fic]] and [[Film/TheReturn the movie of the same name]]

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[[WMG: The Box contained Stolen Money]]
Father was part of a gang of criminals. The gang stole some money, hid it, and then parted ways, waiting for things to cool down before spending any of it. One of the other criminals was put in charge of finding a place to hide it; he chose the island. He then gave the map to Mother sometime after she and Father had split up, for safe-keeping.

Ten years passed, and this criminal died sometime in the interval, but not before telling his colleagues about the map. Father then showed up at Mother's house to get said map. He lied and told her that if she tried to call the police or intervene in any way, his colleagues (who he claimed were close-by) would kill her and the boys. Feeling confident that he had successfullly intimidated her, he then went to sleep right in her house. Mother kept the map all these years because she knew that he or someone from the gang would come looking for it, and she was afraid of what would happen if she no longer had it.

Father invited the boys on the trip to (unbeknownst to them) act as hostages to make sure that Mother didn't call the police after he'd left (and to make sure that she hadn't given him a fake map). This is why Mother looked so scared throughout the movie. Father, however, has a HairTriggerTemper, and nearly sends the boys home despite the fact that he needs them as hostages; whether from cooling down and coming to his senses or from orders received from his colleagues over the phone, he changes his mind and stops the boys from going back home.

At the very end, he seriously ''was'' contemplating killing Andrei and Ivan because he no longer needed them (as he now had the box). When he held up the axe to Andrei, he really was about to attack him with it. When he chased Ivan up the tower, he was only pretending to suddenly care about him in order to coax him down. [[spoiler:Luckily for Ivan, Father slipped and fell to his death; however, since ''they'' never knew for sure that he was evil, his death feels like a tragic loss to them, rather than a triumphant victory]].

Father and Mother had two pictures taken, one with Father and one without him. Ivan and Andrei only ever knew about the one with Father. Thus, when they see the picture in the car, they mistakenly believe that Father was supernaturally removed from the picture.

Now as for what the symbolism and religious references mean in relation to all this, Father is simply a counterfeit Messiah, a symbol of false, dashed hope; considering the movie is a study on troubled father-son relationships, this fits rather well. Father shares ''some'' similarities to the Biblical account of Jesus (the way he appears in his very first scene, his having eaten a lot of fish once), but it '''quickly''' becomes clear (to Ivan, but not to Andrei) that, where it matters, he is the exact opposite (the most blatant example being how he becomes angry with the boys for forgiving somebody; clearly a striking contrast for anyone who is familiar with the New Testament). The movie seems to basically be saying that we should be careful who we admire; there are those who are not to be trusted or followed, and Father is, by all appearances, one of those people.
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[[WMG: The Church Of The Assembly Of Man eventually get their act together.]]
And the next time we see them is in ''Series/DoctorWho'' where they are [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E04TheTimeOfAngels fighting the Weeping Angels]].

The two series share ''very'' similar themes and the big plot point in ''The Return'' is the possibility of one hostile universe full of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s exploding into theirs. Kinda describes the Eva-verse really.[[hottip:*:plu I'd like to see Kaji turned into succubae, just be cool is all]]

Her XanatosGambit is still running, even several millennia after she died, hell even worked out how to make demons reincarnate, which apparently is simply not possible. She was probably Queen Elizabeth and Machiavelli too.

Now as for what the symbolism and religious references mean in relation to all this, Father is simply a counterfeit Messiah; a symbol of false, dashed hope; considering the movie is a study on troubled father-son relationships, this fits rather well. Father shares ''some'' similarities to the Biblical account of Jesus (the way he appears in his very first scene, his having eaten a lot of fish once), but it '''quickly''' becomes clear (to Ivan, but not to Andrei) that, where it matters, he is the exact opposite (the most blatant example being how he becomes angry with the boys for forgiving somebody; clearly a striking contrast for anyone who is familiar with the New Testament). The movie seems to basically be saying that we should be careful who we admire; there are those who are not to be trusted or followed, and Father is, by all appearances, one of those people.

[[WMG: The Drake is really a [[Series/DoctorWho Timelord]].]]
Well, we haven't had an "X" is a Timelord guess here yet. It explains his shady past, unexplained success in land schemes, and having a "[[InsistentTerminology The]]" in front of his name as a definite article.

Now as for what the symbolism and religious references mean in relation to all this, Father is simply a counterfeit Messiah; a symbol of false, dashed hope. He shares ''some'' similarities to the Biblical account of Jesus (the way he appears in his very first scene, his having eaten a lot of fish once), but it '''quickly''' becomes clear (to Ivan, but not to Andrei) that, where it matters, he is the exact opposite (the most blatant example being how he becomes angry with the boys for forgiving somebody; clearly a striking contrast for anyone who is familiar with the New Testament). The movie seems to basically be saying that we should be careful who we admire; there are those who are not to be trusted or followed, and Father is, by all appearances, one of those people.

Now as for how the symbolism and religious references mean in relation to all this, Father is simply a counterfeit Messiah; a symbol of false, dashed hope. He shares ''some'' similarities to the Biblical account of Jesus (the way he appears in his very first scene, his having eaten a lot of fish once), but it '''quickly''' becomes clear (to Ivan, but not to Andrei) that, where it matters, he is the exact opposite (the most blatant example being how he becomes angry with the boys for forgiving somebody; clearly a striking contrast for anyone who is familiar with the New Testament). The movie seems to basically be saying that we should be careful who we admire; there are those who are not to be trusted or followed, and Father is, by all appearances, one of those people.

Now as for how the symbolism and religious references mean in relation to all this, Father is simply a counterfeit Messiah; a symbol of false, dashed hope. He shares ''some'' similarities to the Biblical account of Jesus (the way he appears in his very first scene, his having eaten a lot of fish once), but it '''quickly''' becomes clear (to Ivan, but not to Andrei) that, where it matters, he is the exact opposite (the most blatant example being how he becomes angry with the boys for forgiving somebody; clearly a striking contrast for anyone who is familiar with the New Testament). The movie seems to basically be saying that we should be careful who we admire; there are those who are not to be trusted or followed, and Father is, by all appearances, on of those people.

At the very end, he seriously ''was'' contemplating killing Andrei and Ivan because he no longer needed them (as he now had the box). When he held up the axe to Andrei, he really was about to attack him with it. When he chased Ivan up the tower, he was only pretending to suddenly care about him in order to coax him down. [[spoiler:Luckily for Ivan, Father slipped and fell to his death; however, since ''they'' never knew for sure that he was evil, his death feels like a tragic loss to them rather than a triumphant victory]].

Ten years passed, and this criminal died sometime in the interval, but not before telling his colleagues about the map.

Ten years later, Father showed up at Mother's house to get the map. He lied and told her that if she tried to call the police or intervene in any way, his colleagues (who he claimed were close-by) would kill her and the boys. Feeling confident that he had successfullly intimidated her, he then went to sleep right in her house. Mother kept the map all these years because she knew that he or someone from the gang would come looking for it, and she was afraid of what would happen if she no longer had it.

At the very end, he seriously ''was'' contemplating killing Andrei and Ivan because he no longer needed them (as he now had the box). When he held up the axe to Andrei, he really was about to attack him with it. When he chased Ivan up the tower, he was only pretending to suddenly care about him in order to coax him down. [[spoiler:Luckily for Ivan, Father slipped and fell to his death; however, since they never knew for sure that he was evil, his death feels like a tragic loss rather than a triumphant victory]].

This page contains guesses for both [[FanFic/TheReturn the Fan-Fic]] and [[Film/TheReturn the movie of the same name]]

The WMG page for '''''FanFic/TheReturn'''''

And the next time we see them is in '''Series/DoctorWho'' where they are [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E04TheTimeOfAngels fighting the Weeping Angels]].

[[WMG: The Drake is really a [[DoctorWho Timelord]].]]

And the next time we see them is in '''DoctorWho'' where they are [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E04TheTimeOfAngels fighting the Weeping Angels]].

And the next time we see them is in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS31E04TheTimeOfAngels Doctor Who]] where they are fighting the Weeping Angels.