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15th Aug '17 2:40:08 PM vifetoile
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[[WMG: Sally was a doll given at Christmas]]
It's possible that at least some of the residents of Halloweentown, before they came there, had lives in our world. Sally's life is that she was a handmade doll given as a Christmas gift. She belonged to a girl or family for a while. Eventually someone thought she was too scary-looking, and she was thrown out, or maybe destroyed, and was "reborn" in Halloweentown. The fact that Christmas was so important in her previous life is why she has an intuitive understanding of it - of Christmas, and of love - which no one else in Halloweentown has.
6th Aug '17 7:40:05 PM GothicNarcissus
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** Except that's not always the case. People who have feelings for someone can be especially distrustful of any reciprocation hints. They might be read as wishful thinking or self-indulgent pattern recognition. In Jack's specific case, he a) is shown not to have such a high degree of emotional maturity, so I wouldn't count on him readily recognising his own feelings, let alone Sally's, and b) may or may not be going through depression, but sure as hell he's going through a period of crisis, self-doubt and confusion. That alone chunks anyone's inability to recognise other people's feelings for them up to eleven: Jack clearly has the love and respect of all the people in Halloween Town, but that doesn't reach him. He has zero self-worth, so is unreceptive to what positive feelings other people have for him. That would include Sally, until after he finds himself again and re-establishes his sense of self-worth.
2nd Aug '17 4:51:34 PM DrNoPuma
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Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, each monster[[note]]With the exception of, presumably, the Mayor (who only sings the "In this town" parts), Sally (who prefers not to take part in the song) and Jack (because the song is meant to build up to his grand entrance)[[/note]] has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's lines might be:
* Dr. Finklestein: "I'm the evil genius with the monster wife! Bringing your worst nightmares to life!"

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Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, each monster[[note]]With the exception of, presumably, the Mayor (who only sings the "In this town" parts), Sally (who prefers not to take part in the song) and song), Jack (because the song is meant to build up to his grand entrance)[[/note]] entrance), and any monsters who can't speak (like Zero)[[/note]] has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's lines might be:
* Dr. Finklestein: "I'm the evil genius with the monster wife! / Bringing your worst nightmares to life!"
2nd Aug '17 4:47:54 PM DrNoPuma
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* Dr. Finklestein: "I'm the evil genius with the monster with! Bringing your worst nightmares to life!"

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* Dr. Finklestein: "I'm the evil genius with the monster with! wife! Bringing your worst nightmares to life!"
2nd Aug '17 4:47:26 PM DrNoPuma
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Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, each monster has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's lines might be:

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Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, each monster monster[[note]]With the exception of, presumably, the Mayor (who only sings the "In this town" parts), Sally (who prefers not to take part in the song) and Jack (because the song is meant to build up to his grand entrance)[[/note]] has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's lines might be:be:
* Dr. Finklestein: "I'm the evil genius with the monster with! Bringing your worst nightmares to life!"
* Lock, Shock, and Barrel: "We are the kids, who, though no older than six / don't like treats, cause we'd rather play tricks!"


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* Werewolf: "I am the werewolf, hear me growl! / Nobody's safe when I'm on the prowl!"
* Devil: "I am the devil, making you feel unwell / Evil and frightening like I'm straight from hell!"
1st Aug '17 5:46:10 PM DrNoPuma
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* Mr. Hyde: "I am the man who holds in his hat / tinier men, like the size of a rat!"

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* Mr. Hyde: "I am the man who holds in his hat / tinier men, like the size of a rat!"that's where we are at!"
1st Aug '17 5:42:07 PM DrNoPuma
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[[WMG:The monsters sing "This is Halloween" every year, but each time, different monsters sing different parts.]]
Except maybe the Mayor, who probably always sings the "In this town" lines. In addition, each monster has their own "I am the" line, but which monsters sing theirs is rotated every year. This is probably one of the things that the Mayor likes to plan out. Let's guess what the other monster's lines might be:
* Undersea Gal: "I am the lady lurking under the lake / swimming with me is a big mistake!"
* Harlequin Demon: "I am the creature who looks quite unique! / alien features to make you shriek!"
* Mr. Hyde: "I am the man who holds in his hat / tinier men, like the size of a rat!"
11th Jul '17 7:33:51 PM DrNoPuma
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[[WMG:Christmas magic is what saved Jack's life.]]
The monsters' reaction to Jack's sleigh getting shot down indicates that, despite being a skeleton, he ''should'' have died. Maybe some outside force from Christmas Town (or maybe the night itself was magical) stepped in to keep the explosion and fall from killing Jack, so he could save Santa.
7th Jun '17 12:09:35 PM DrNoPuma
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* [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming D'awwwwwww!]]




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* A skeleton alien, huh? A [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot combination of monsters]] like that ''would'' be a great choice for the king of Halloween.




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* That certainly makes more sense than Selick's idea that the hill is mechanical (See WhatCouldHaveBeen on the Trivia page).



jack was possibly a violent gangster but one that looked out for his community, like the black panther movement in the 60's
and watches out for Halloween town, well Oogie uses terror to control the peopleof halloween

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jack Jack was possibly a violent gangster gangster, but one that looked out for his community, like community (like the black panther Black Panther movement in the 60's
60's)
and watches out for Halloween town, well Town, while Oogie uses terror to control the peopleof halloween
people of Halloween.
* Considering that TheCasino is often associated with gangsters, this could be true on Oogie's part.



[[WMG: Halloween Town is ''Halloweentown.'']]

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[[WMG: Halloween Town is ''Halloweentown.''Film/{{Halloweentown}}.'']]
28th May '17 3:49:28 PM DrNoPuma
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[[WMG:Oogie Boogie isn't really the bogeyman.]]
As noted on the Characters page, he is a a self described boogieman", but doesn't show many typical traits of the bogeyman, such as [[ThingsThatGoBumpInTheNight haunting children's bedrooms]] - at least, not on screen. Maybe he's a completely different monster who suffers from AGodAmI. Besides, Oogie looks very different from other depictions of the bogeyman - like the Characters page says, his appearance is more akin to a typical BedsheetGhost.

[[WMG:The movie has a subtle "HumansAreTheRealMonsters" message.]]
As in Tim Burton's later movie ''WesternAnimation/CorpseBride'', nearly all of the monsters are [[DarkIsNotEvil fun-loving and genial despite their scary looks]], while the humans are more selfish and dull, if not outright evil. Although Lock, Shock, and Barrel are AmbiguouslyHuman, they are perhaps the most humanlike residents of Halloween Town, and some of the cruelest. The humans in the "real world" are more justified examples, as they feel legitimately threatened by Jack's attempt at making Christmas, but perhaps they were too quick to panic. Most of the toys seemed like they genuinely wanted to play, but the humans didn't consider this at all, instead panicking, shooting down Jack's sleigh, and declaring Christmas to be RuinedForever.
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