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28th Mar '16 1:49:08 PM cheedo
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[[WMG: Jack's love for Sally is real, but he didn't always feel that way.]]
I think he really did fall in love with her, but I'm not sure I see the argument above as proof. I think when he saw Dr. F with his new girlfriend he was just surprised and a little weirded out that they looked the same. And Jack DIDN'T recognize Sally's feelings precisely because his own were not as strong as hers.
12th Mar '16 5:17:19 PM elipanda56
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[[WMG: Halloween Town is a kind of Limbo that exists between life and death.]]
This would explain things, such as how Jack is "dead so he can take off his head", but then later the townsfolk all believe that Jack is dead, like when Oogie says "Jack? But they said you were dead". It's not so much that Jack can die again; he's already dead. It's that the body he has in Limbo will perish, and he'll finally move towards real death.

[[WMG: Jack comes from a family of Pumpkin Kings, and has been raised to be king since he was a boy.]]
Which to me explains a lot. Especially since in the video game "Pumpkin King", Jack has his inauguration as it were into being a King. So it makes sense that he had been prepping to be king, and knew to expect it.
20th Feb '16 9:14:36 AM ScroogeMacDuck
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[[WMG:Jack Skellington is a child of [[TheGrimReaper Death]] and a {{Toon}}.]]
* Yes, [[Tropers/PumpkinLore same troper]], but this [[FridgeBrilliance kinda makes sense]] if you think about it: Jack, despite being a skeleton, can stretch his skull [[http://necaonline.com/nbctcg/cardlist/characters/jack2.jpg into a scary roar]]. It looks like the scary version of what {{Toon}}s usually do. Also, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBnCfURGDd0 when Jack is fighting Oogie]], if you watch the part when Jack is avoiding the knives, you notice that he [[ToonPhysics gets rather flexible for a skeleton]]. The story could go like this:
** Jack Skellington was born in Toon Town, [[UndeadChild scaring the crap out of the doctors]]. His mother raised him in Toon Town, while his dad visited him often. When Jack was older, he tried to get a job in acting, but [[FantasticRacism humans expected Toons to be funny]], which when Jack tried to be funny, he always ends up scaring the shit out of everyone. His dad thought Jack's talents would be useful in scaring, so Jack moved to HalloweenTown, where he became the Pumpkin King. He still visits his mother often, and his dad comes to HalloweenTown to [[SoProudOfYou watch Jack's performances]].
** That has just fulfilled the "Aww" quota of my day. Thank you.
** Another point: In addition to the flexibility of bus mouth, you can also see teeth under there during many closeups. It seems Jack does, in fact, have lips, but they have teeth-like markings on them.
* Yes, but cartoons didn't exist before 1910, so Toontown didn't exist either (oh, that's different if you go by the original ''Who censored Roger Rabbit'' book, but all the rest of the toon mythology as developed more recently shows that Toons are created by animators using magic pain see the opening of ''The Animaniacs''). Now, where am I going with this date problem ? Jack O'Lantern is a far more ancient figure than 1910, so except if you argue that there have been many Jack O'Lanterns that replace each other regularly, which I don't (for me, Jack is THE Jack O'Lantern, the one that existed as long as Halloween ever existed), it's not possible. It's a nice theory, though.



[[WMG: Fixing the "drunk some blood" PlotHole]]
There are, in Halloweentown, some professional RedShirts whose job are to get attacked by the monsters in front of humans, so that the humans may really be scared of them.



[[WMG:Jack Skellington is a child of [[TheGrimReaper Death]] and a {{Toon}}.]]
* Yes, [[Tropers/PumpkinLore same troper]], but this [[FridgeBrilliance kinda makes sense]] if you think about it: Jack, despite being a skeleton, can stretch his skull [[http://necaonline.com/nbctcg/cardlist/characters/jack2.jpg into a scary roar]]. It looks like the scary version of what {{Toon}}s usually do. Also, [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBnCfURGDd0 when Jack is fighting Oogie]], if you watch the part when Jack is avoiding the knives, you notice that he [[ToonPhysics gets rather flexible for a skeleton]]. The story could go like this:
** Jack Skellington was born in Toon Town, [[UndeadChild scaring the crap out of the doctors]]. His mother raised him in Toon Town, while his dad visited him often. When Jack was older, he tried to get a job in acting, but [[FantasticRacism humans expected Toons to be funny]], which when Jack tried to be funny, he always ends up scaring the shit out of everyone. His dad thought Jack's talents would be useful in scaring, so Jack moved to HalloweenTown, where he became the Pumpkin King. He still visits his mother often, and his dad comes to HalloweenTown to [[SoProudOfYou watch Jack's performances]].
** That has just fulfilled the "Aww" quota of my day. Thank you.
** Another point: In addition to the flexibility of bus mouth, you can also see teeth under there during many closeups. It seems Jack does, in fact, have lips, but they have teeth-like markings on them.
* Yes, but cartoons didn't exist before 1910, so Toontown didn't exist either (oh, that's different if you go by the original ''Who censored Roger Rabbit'' book, but all the rest of the toon mythology as developed more recently shows that Toons are created by animators using magic pain see the opening of ''The Animaniacs''). Now, where am I going with this date problem ? Jack O'Lantern is a far more ancient figure than 1910, so except if you argue that there have been many Jack O'Lanterns that replace each other regularly, which I don't (for me, Jack is THE Jack O'Lantern, the one that existed as long as Halloween ever existed), it's not possible. It's a nice theory, though.


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12th Jan '16 8:01:04 PM Nakuyabi
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[[WMG:In holiday towns, GRatedSex is how people reproduce.]]
Since the Halloween and Christmas towns are each based on various myths and legends parents have built up in their children's minds about how the holidays operate, childbearing in those towns is likewise based on various myths and legends parents have told their children about how babies are made. One [[MissConception common idea]] children get right around the time before they reach full understanding is that "kissing brings babies" or that intimacy in general might get them pregnant. Combine this with the myth of the DeliveryStork some parents used to tell younger children, and suddenly we have an explanation for where Jack and Sally got their children. That little scene where Jack and Sally finally got together as a loving couple at the end? That's how the children were conceived: there's a little hugging and kissing, Zero goes zipping off into the sky and becomes a star [[SexyDiscretionShot to distract us from what Jack and Sally are doing]]... and about nine months later, a stork (probably skeletal, this being HalloweenTown) brings in their first baby; and as long as the two lovebirds keep up the hugging and kissing, they can expect to have many more.
15th Dec '15 1:55:42 PM gaimanite.pkat
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Dr. Facilier has his friends from the other side take the form of shadows. Oogie seems to be able to control his shadow to sing in the beginning song in Nighmare, so this troper's idea is that Dr. Facilier's "friends" decided to give him AFateWorseThanDeath - being trapped in a gigiantic burlap sack with living bugs as guts. This drives Facilier mad, making him less GenreSavvy, more sadistic, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lowered the quality of his grammer]]. So now Dr. Facilier is [[DeaderThanDead double dead]] first killed when the tailsman was broken, then when he was torn apart.

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Dr. Facilier has his friends from the other side take the form of shadows. Oogie seems to be able to control his shadow to sing in the beginning song in Nighmare, so this troper's idea is that Dr. Facilier's "friends" decided to give him AFateWorseThanDeath - being trapped in a gigiantic burlap sack with living bugs as guts. This drives Facilier mad, making him less GenreSavvy, more sadistic, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking lowered the quality of his grammer]].grammar]]. So now Dr. Facilier is [[DeaderThanDead double dead]] first killed when the tailsman was broken, then when he was torn apart.
15th Dec '15 1:54:34 PM gaimanite.pkat
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** Or the Mayor represents two-faced politicians.
14th Dec '15 10:56:14 AM Morgenthaler
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*** Actually, LSB's fears may have held more merit than we thought. In [[TheNightmareBeforeChristmasOogiesRevenge the game]], Jack really ''did'' get physically violent with them. Granted, they deserved it.

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*** Actually, LSB's fears may have held more merit than we thought. In [[TheNightmareBeforeChristmasOogiesRevenge [[VideoGame/TheNightmareBeforeChristmasOogiesRevenge the game]], Jack really ''did'' get physically violent with them. Granted, they deserved it.
24th Nov '15 1:22:37 PM ThallianGold
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** Definitely true in the non-canon PS2 game.

[[WMG: The fight between Oogie Boogie and Jack is symbolically a fight between old school and modern horror.]]
* Jack represents psychological scares, but never hurts anybody other than Oogie, someone who has it coming -- a staple of old school horror where even the antagonist often had sympathetic motives. Jack also has grandiose designs and plans. In contrast, Oogie Boogie is all about death and visceral reactions (he's essentially skinned alive), like modern horror films' reliance on gore.
12th Nov '15 12:57:39 PM ScroogeMacDuck
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[[WMG: GodNeedsPrayerBadly is applying here]]

And it might just be true, it makes more sense than you'd think. The idea is that the holiday characters need to be believed in, and to fulfill their Holiday's goal, to exist. [[note]]So far, this is supported by the video game ''The Pumpkin King'' which explains how the Bogeyman's own holiday world, Bugday, vanished because humans did not like it and stopped celebrating it, forcing the Bogeyman (who we know better as Oogie Boogie now) to take refuge in Halloweentown.[[/note]] Santa Claus couldn't teleport outside of Oogie's lair during the song, ''because Oogie Boogie wouldn't take him seriously'' and refused to believe he ''was'' Santa: "You're joking ! ''This'' can't be the right guy !?!" Santa, however, can later magically transport outside of Halloweentown in a split second because Jack was beginning to talk to him seriously as the only Santa Claus who could save Christmas in time.
It might also have happened many times in Halloweentown's history to various characters who stopped being scary to mortals, were forgotten, and withered away into nothingness. Today they fill the graveyard Jack visited during ''Jack's Lament''; notice how at least two busts represent two famous historica- painting scary-looking fellows: Füssli's demonic horse and Munsch's Screamer. They were scary at first, but when people got used to seeing them everyday on television, in museums, in the newspapers, in parodies, they stopped giving goosebumps, and consequently they ''died''. This is supported by this very simple question: why would anyone be ''buried'' in Halloweentown in the first place, since half of the citizens are members of TheUndead ?

30th Oct '15 7:21:31 AM Cupcakes
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[[WMG: Oogie Boogie is a hold over from a forgotten holiday.]]
*He's the patron of a much older, much dark holiday from a very primitive time. His violence and mild obsession with games of chance are just part of that holiday shining through. As for what he's doing in Halloween, more likely then not elements of this older festival of violence evolved into the modern version of Halloween which he wisely jumped ship to so he could avoid simply disappearing into obscurity. But he finds modern Halloween disgusting and pathetic compared to what he used to be in charge of which is why he has a problem with Jack who is the physical representation of this new holiday he can't stand.
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