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** Then why does everybody else react to them?

Basically, all of the Muppet characters don't exist and in reality, they were all fantasy characters made by a puppeteer named Jim. You see Jim is a puppeteer who creates human and animal puppets. One of his puppets Kermit the Frog is Jim's popular puppet and is asked to come to Hollywood to show off his Kermit puppet. But then his puppet breaks into fluff and Jim depressed cancels his trip to Hollywood so he imagines his puppet Kermit coming to life and having a mind of his own! In fact [[Film/TheMuppetMovie The Muppet Movie]] is actually a dream by Jim imagining his Kermit puppet walking and traveling to Hollywood and imagines a villain named Doc Hopper defeating his puppet. Not only that but he adds his other puppets Fozzie Bear Miss Piggy Gonzo Statler and Waldorf and Bunsen Honeydew into his fantasy franchise and gave them personalities. Jim also based them on people he knew. For example, Fozzie's lame jokes and personality are based on Jim's friend named Harold who also told unfunny jokes. Miss Piggy is meant to represent his neighbor who is plump and has a crush on him (With Jim calling her a pig). Statler and Waldorf are based on his uncles who both always laugh and make snarky comments in real life. Now last but certainly not least, Kermit is meant to represent Jim himself! For example, In The Muppet Movie Kermit pursues a career in Hollywood to become a star. In reality, Kermit is actually representing his own puppeteer's career of becoming a puppeteer star. Jim starts imagining all his puppets talking and going on adventures. After that Jim decides to imagine his puppets in their own [[Series/TheMuppetShow TV Show]] at then starts creating other non-existent media for his puppets. At this point, he starts to go insane and decides to change his last name to Henson instead of Johnson. Thus the Muppet franchise was born and never existed. Even the Muppet Babies are also Jim imagining his puppets as living babies and also decides to not name the characters Puppets, but Muppets instead! Because the whole point is the imagined franchise never existed, to begin with!

* Have you ever noticed that Kermit Nor Miss Piggy Nor Fozzie Bear ever refer to themselves as puppets but instead "Muppets"? Could it be that the Muppet movies, shows, specials, and the entire franchise is from a puppeteer's mind of puppets coming to life without humans controlling them? Here is the theory:
Basically, all of the Muppet characters don't exist and in reality, they were all fantasy characters made by a puppeteer named Jim. You see Jim is a puppeteer who creates human and animal puppets. One of his puppets Kermit the Frog is Jim's popular puppet and is asked to come to Hollywood to show off his Kermit puppet. But then his puppet breaks into fluff and Jim depressed cancels his trip to Hollywood so he imagines his puppet Kermit coming to life and having a mind of his own! In fact [[Film/TheMuppetMovie The Muppet Movie]] is actually a dream by Jim imagining his Kermit puppet walking and traveling to Hollywood and imagines a villain named Doc Hopper defeating his puppet. Not only that but he adds his other puppets Fozzie Bear Miss Piggy Gonzo Statler and Waldorf and Bunsen Honeydew into his fantasy franchise and gave them personalities. Jim also based them on people he knew. For example, Fozzie's lame jokes and personality are based on Jim's friend named Harold who also told unfunny jokes. Miss Piggy is meant to represent his neighbor who is plump and has a crush on him (With Jim calling her a pig). Statler and Waldorf are based on his uncles who both always laugh and make snarky comments in real life. Now last but certainly not least, Kermit is meant to represent Jim himself! For example, In The Muppet Movie Kermit pursues a career in Hollywood to become a star. In reality, Kermit is actually representing his own puppeteer's career of becoming a puppeteer star. Jim starts imagining all his puppets talking and going on adventures. After that Jim decides to imagine his puppets in their own [[Series/TheMuppetShow TV Show]] at then starts creating other non-existent media for his puppets. At this point, he starts to go insane and decides to change his last name to Henson instead of Johnson. Thus the Muppet franchise was born and never existed. Even the Muppet Babies are also Jim imagining his own puppets as living babies and also decides to not name the characters Puppets, but Muppets instead! Because the whole point is the imagined franchise never existed, to begin with!

[[WMG: The Entire Franshise Is Actually From a Puppeteer's Fantasy.]]
* Have You ever notice That Kermit Nor Miss Piggy Nor Fozzie Bear Never Refer To Themselves as Puppets But Instead "Muppets" Could It be That The Muppet Movies Shows Specials And the Entire Franshise is From A Puppeteer's Mind Of Puppets Coming To Life Without Humans Controlling Them. Here is the theory
Bacically All of the Muppet Characters Don't Exist And In Reality They were All Fantasy Characters By A Puppeteer Named Jim You See Jim Is A Puppeteer Who creates Human And Animal Puppets.one of his Puppets Kermit the frog Is Jim's Popular Puppet And Is Asked To Come to Hollywood to Show off his kermit Puppet But then his puppet Breaks Into fluff And Jim Depressed Cancels his trip to hollywood So he Imagines His Puppet Kermit Coming to life and Have A mind of his own! In Fact [[Film/TheMuppetMovie The Muppet Movie]] Is Acually A Dream By Jim Imagining of His kermit Puppet Walking And Traveling to Hollywood And Imagines A villan Named Doc Hopper Defeating His Puppet. Not only That But He Adds His other Puppets Fozzie Bear Miss Piggy Gonzo standorf and waldorf and Bunsen Honeydew Into his Fantasy Franshise And Gave them Personalities. And Based Them Off Of People He Knew For Example Fozzie's Lame Jokes and Personality Are Based off of jims Friend Named Harold Who also told Unfunny Jokes. Miss piggy is meant to Represent his Neighbor who is Fat and has A crush on him (With Jim Calling Her A Pig) Standorf and Wardorf Are Based Off of his Uncles Who Both Always Laugh Funny in Real Life And Last But Not Least.Kermit Is Meant To Represent Jim Himself!. For Example In the Muppet Movie Kermit Pursues A Career In hollywood to Become A star In Reality Kermit Is Acually Representing His own Puppeteer's Career Of Becoming A Puppeteer Star Jim starts imagining all his puppets talking and going on adventures After That Jim Decides to imagine his puppets in their Own [[Series/TheMuppetShow Tv Show]] at that creating Other Non existent Media for his Puppets At This Point He Starts To Go Insane! And Decides to Change His last Name Into Henson Instead of Johnson And thus The Muppet Franshise Was Born And It Never Existed Even The Muppet Babies Are Also An Imagination From Jim Imagining His Own Puppets as Living Babies And Also Decides to Not Name The Characters Puppets. But Instead Muppets! Because That was the Whole Point Of the Imaginated Franshise That Never Existed To Begin With!

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[[folder: The Muppets 2011 Movie Theories]]

[[WMG: The movie was a test balloon for a revival of ''Series/TheMuppetShow'', and now that it's been a success that show will be green-lit.]]
It'll just be called ''The Muppets'', however, since to actually call it ''The Muppet Show'' would be courting disaster as far as the comparisons it would bring.
* And the first guest will be Creator/JasonSegel, who Walter will [[CelebrityParadox mistake for Gary]]. Other early guests would include: Creator/JackBlack (who would spend most of the episode planning revenge on Miss Piggy for kidnapping him), Creator/NeilPatrickHarris (and it would be pure concentrated awesome), Creator/WhoopiGoldberg (because she is probably the biggest celebrity collaborator alive when it comes to Muppets), and (sadly) Music/JustinBieber (throws up).
** An alternative about having Jason Segel as a guest would be playing with the idea of Jason and Walter being really similar. Including confusing the two the whole time, having Walter (or Jason) doing Jason's (or Walter's) act and maybe some body swapping at Muppet Lab.
*** And of course, the first sketch of the revival would be a remake of "Mahna Mahna".
* Other guest would be Music/LadyGaga and the other ton of cameos from the Movie which didn't make the cut.
* Musical guests would include Creator/ZooeyDeschanel and Music/RandyNewman.
* More ideas:
** Creator/WilliamShatner. One of the most likely guests, seeing him with the Muppets would be [[RuleOfCool pure awesome]]. He could hijack the Swinetrek in his [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Captain Kirk]] persona just like the ''Franchise/StarWars'' stars did and even perform a [[Music/{{Queen}} Bohemian Rhapsody]] mashup since both he and the Muppets covered the song.
*** While we're "on trek", Creator/GeorgeTakei will appear too!
** Yoda, for a second ''Franchise/StarWars'' episode (of course [[ForegoneConclusion Yoda would appear]]). If Creator/FrankOz returns to perform/voice Yoda, he could also perform his Muppet characters again (if Yoda's CGI) or prerecord his characters' voices for Eric Jacobson to perform them to (if Yoda's a puppet, which is more fitting given the nature of the show and Frank's history with it). Oh, and of course [[DarthVaderClone Dearth Nadir]] would return.
** Creator/FrankOz himself, as a sort of in-joke (remember how Creator/JimHenson appeared in ''Film/AMuppetFamilyChristmas''?). In-universe, he'd either be the performer of various CaptainErsatz puppet versions of his characters, or would only be known for performing Yoda.
*** Both his and Yoda's appearances are unlikely. He hated the script for ''The Muppets'' and refused to be involved with it, so a show spinning off of the movie would be no different. He retired his characters anyway and now only performs them on rare occasions.
*** [[TakeAThirdOption Tom Kane could voice Yoda, with Eric Jacobson doing the puppetry if he's a puppet.]]
** Creator/BruceCampbell. See below.
** Since she's a VirtualCelebrity, [[Music/{{Vocaloid}} Hatsune Miku]] (in CGI), depending on how much Crypton wants to push marketing for her American release (which means she'd speak English, with some GratuitousJapanese). The subtitler from Pöpcørn could return (possibly even as a full character) for her Japanese songs. A {{Music/Gorillaz}} episode could operate on a similar principle.
** Bret [=McKenzie=], as an excuse to perform songs from the movie again.
** It's quite likely that Creator/JasonSegel and the rest of the movie's creative team would run the show like with the movie. They'd probably avoid having tween stars such as Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber (as mentioned above) as guests in order to preserve the show's reputation. However, given some ExecutiveMeddling from Disney and SeasonalRot, we'd see quite a few Disney stars (and yes, Justin Bieber). It'd be Studio DC all over again, unless the creative team decides to make it work.
** Various not-widely-hated artists and musical groups, such as the Music/FooFighters, Music/MichaelBuble, Music/OwlCity, Music/MaroonFive, Music/KatyPerry, Music/{{Feist}} (who appeared in the movie), and others. I can see Cee Lo Green and will i. am. performing too.
*** Similar to the William Shatner suggestion above, [[ForegoneConclusion Cee-Lo would probably perform "Forget You" with the chickens]] ''and'' do it while dressed the way he was when performing the song with the Henson puppets (a CallBack to Music/EltonJohn's performance on ''Series/TheMuppetShow'' itself).
** Creator/AmyAdams, similar to the Creator/JasonSegel idea above. She'd perform songs both from the Muppets movie and ''Film/{{Enchanted}}'', dressed as Princess Giselle for the latter (and since Disney owns the Muppets, the homage could probably go quite deep).
** Creator/SamuelLJackson. Just like Creator/WilliamShatner, this would be [[RuleOfCool pure unadulterated awesome]]. Maybe both Mace Windu and Yoda could be in the new ''Franchise/StarWars'' episode, or Dearth Nadir could appear with Sam playing Mace. He could also do a PG-rated parody of the various memes from ''Film/SnakesOnAPlane'' (most likely quoting the [[SoBadItsGood "melon farming snakes on this Monday-to-Friday plane"]] TV edit line verbatim).
** [[Series/SesameStreet Elmo]]. Admit it, you knew they'd push for it eventually since he was originally supposed to be in the movie. Though ExecutiveMeddling could get in the way, probably to remind the general public that ''The Muppets''[=/=]''The New Muppet Show''[=/=]whatever is [[WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids supposed to be a family show, not a kiddie show]].
*** Elmo is owned by the Sesame Workshop in New York. He was prohibited from appearing in ''The Muppets'' because of that fact, so an appearance is unlikely.
** John Ratzenberger and the stars of Creator/{{Pixar}}'s movies. It'd be logical considering that both are owned by Creator/{{Disney}} and both teams are proud of their art (at least currently, especially in the Muppets' case). Pixar and Muppets Studio seem to be on really good terms (the ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'' Toon airing before ''The Muppets'', Pixar doctoring a script for the movie, JustForFun/StatlerAndWaldorf appearing in ''WesternAnimation/{{Presto}}'', etc.). [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6782900/1/Pixar_Episode Someone even wrote a clever fanfic about the idea]].
** ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' (in puppet form from "The Fight Before Christmas", as a recursive parody).
*** Now that Disney owns them, this could be even easier to pull off.
** A new Muppet to spoof James Lipton from ''Inside The Actors Studio'' will appear in a new talk show segment, where he interviews guest stars. One of the guest stars will be........ [[MindScrew James Lipton.]]
** More guests: Martin Short, Music/WeirdAlYankovic, Creator/AnneHathaway, Melissa [=McCarthy=], Creator/TinaFey, Creator/NataliePortman, the cast of ''Glee'', the cast of ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'', Steve Carell, Creator/JohnnyDepp, the crew of a Cirque Du Soleil show, and Tom Selleck.
*** Hey, didn't [[Series/TheBigBangTheory Jim Parsons]] appear in the movie...? He could make a guest appearance by himself too.
*** And Walter could make an offhand remark about how handsome Jim/Sheldon is.
** Creator/SteveMartin will return!
** The Mane Cast of WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic, [[RogerRabbitEffect animated in 2D]].
*** This would probably depend on Muppet Studios' relationship with Hasbro and Creator/TheHub, and how well they could handle the episode without making it look like an ad for Creator/TheHub or a blatant attempt to pander to bronies and Internet hipsters. If not, they could throw a few brony jokes in the below "Fozzie tries to be hip" episode, where Fozzie ostentatiously proclaims his newfound MLP fandom and it comes off completely wrong (he ends up liking the show [[GirlShowGhetto because of all the sparkles and rainbows]] instead of the plot and humor, or watches G3.5 by accident or something).
** [[Franchise/KingdomHearts Sora]], WesternAnimation/DonaldDuck and WesternAnimation/{{Goofy}} (CGI). If we have a Muppets world in an upcoming ''Kingdom Hearts'' game then Disney would probably do this to plug the game. They'd probably be video game characters [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment from the video game world]] in-universe.
** The theme song will either be a re-cover of the one from ''The Muppet Show'', ''Life's A Happy Song'', or a completely new one. This time, the Muppet who plays the trumpet for the CouchGag won't be Gonzo, but Walter. In the pilot episode, he will almost play the note on the trumpet before his cell phone goes off- his mom calls him while seeing him on TV!
*** Actually, the theme song will most likely just be a re-filmed version of the regular ''Muppet Show'' theme, as covered in ''The Muppets''. Because Gonzo was the one who played the trumpet in the movie, he'll probably do it again I can see Walter's whistling interfering with Gonzo's trumpet gag in one episode, though.
** It could also be fun to think of the premises for some of the episodes:
*** The Muppets use one of Bunsen's and Beaker's devices to turn into CGI characters and do their first-ever computer-animated show in the computer world, in order to stand a chance against all those kids' movies out there[[note]]]which would probably be represented in-universe as something generic like "[[Film/AlvinAndTheChipmunks Melvin and the]] [[CaptainErsatz Turkey Gang]]" or something like that[[/note]]. This could be the [[Music/{{Vocaloid}} Hatsune Miku]] episode, and since this is Creator/{{Disney}} we're talking about, we'll probably get [[ShoutOut Shout Outs]] to ''Film/{{TRON}}'' and [[Film/TronLegacy its sequel]]. Waldo C. Graphic would probably appear in this.
*** Fozzie tries to become more "hip", and starts calling the other Muppets "bro" and basing his new act on rapid-fire internet meme references and Muppet-themed Webcomic/RageComics. Near the end, Pepe calls Fozzie out on having become more annoying than himself, and [[StatusQuoIsGod Fozzie goes back to being his old self]].
*** The Swedish Chef brings his wife to the show. She can't speak or understand a word of English, so the Subtitler has to subtitle the entire show in mock Swedish so she can understand. The Chef and his wife also do a sketch together, where they mess up their recipe ''twice as much''.
*** After a prolonged hospital stay, [[MostDefinitelyNotAVillain Tex Richman asks the Muppets if he can be their guest star]], and Kermit feels that it's the best thing to do to repay him for his [[spoiler: bowling-ball-induced]] kindness. He spends the episode pretending to still be a good guy (and fooling the Muppets) while trying to destroy the Muppet Theater again, but constantly getting (unintentionally) foiled. At the end of the episode, [[HeelFaceRevolvingDoor he reveals his true colors]] during the big closing number, but the police comes and takes him away for property damage done during the events of the movie, and it's revealed that Beaker [[CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass was in on the whole thing]] and called the cops. Oh, and he also gets [[SugarWiki/MomentOfAwesome a well-placed karate chop in the face from Miss Piggy]]. [[MST3KMantra Just ignore whether the movie is supposed to be "fiction" or not.]]
*** Special guest star Creator/BruceCampbell. The [[RuleOfCool Muppet]] [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Zombie]] [[Franchise/EvilDead Apocalypse]] Episode. ''Make it happen, Disney!''
*** The Doctor, in a Series/DoctorWho themed special. The Muppets accidentally send out invitations (or just plain kidnap) all his incarnations whose actors are still alive, along with some prominent supporting characters like Amy and Rory. Davros and the Master join Stalter and Waldorf in their heckling.
*** Music/IggyAzalea. A plot point could be Iggy performing one of her trademark freestyles, Resulting in a) everyone being too polite to tell her they can't understand a word she just said, and b) [[TheUnintelligible Beaker and the Swedish Chef]] falling in love with her.
* '''FUND IT!!!!!'''

[[WMG: Statler and Waldorf will save the Muppet theater]]
A shot in a few of the trailers shows Tex Richman confronting Kermit in front of a counter indicating that they have ALMOST raised ten million dollars. Statler and Waldorf will betray Tex in a HeelFaceTurn 35 years in the making.
* Maybe they think it's so bad, they don't want to stop heckling it?
** Jossed. They don't attempt to save it, but appear pleased to be heckling the Muppets in the ol' theater again.
*** In the Junior Novel Version, when it's needed just one dollar to save the theater, Statler and Waldorf gave that one dollar after deciding Walter's act was worth it.
*** Statler and Waldorf don't get a HeelFaceTurn in the movie, but [[spoiler: Uncle Deadly does]].

[[WMG: The Muppets will sing "Just One Person" and we will all cry.]]
The song was one of Henson's favorites, and the Muppets performed it in their tribute special as well as at his memorial service. In the main trailer, Kermit says, "Maybe you don't need the whole world to love you; maybe you just need one person," and later on tells the Muppets he believes in them. This dialogue seems primed to set up the song.
* Jossed. It was "Rainbow Connection." [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments Although the crying part is confirmed.]]
** However, "Just One Person" did get a shout-out in the dialogue.
[[WMG: Waldo S. Graphic will show up in a "sequel."]]
Waldo was a Muppet experiment by Henson: a completely digital Muppet who can be controlled live by an actor. In this day of CG films, you'd think he would be seen today, but his last performance was in the Disney theme park attraction movie Muppet-Vision 3D in the 90's and he has never been used since!
* Jossed.

[[WMG: If this brings about a new show, Walter will become a new recurring character, thereby moving to Los Angeles and performing as a job.]]
Walter does become an official member of The Muppets so he's certainly staying with them and performing with them. Unless something happens to him or there isn't a new show its confirmed.
* Considering Walter is basically the alter ego of Creator/JasonSegel, if he's the producer of this thing, is basically confirmed.
** His act would be "Whistlin' Walter", and he'd perform skits like Jerry Lewis all in pantomime, save for whistling, and some vocal noises. '''FUND IT!!!'''

[[WMG: The Muppets disbanded because Kermit went depressed]]
This is why I think Kermit being depressed in the movie is a stroke of genius: it explains everything. The Muppets disbanded, because Kermit went depressed after Miss Piggy left, because Kermit wasn't paying attention to her. Nobody was able to fill the frog's shoes and everything just fell apart. It also explains why some Muppets would be angry at him, why he became a Hollywood recluse and why he has a Hollywood mansion that wasn't designed for one frog. (It's not his mansion. It's Kermit and Miss Piggy's mansion.)
** The junior novel mentioned that they disbanded after a fight between Kermit and Miss Piggy where they married 'for the show'. They had a [[Film/TheMuppetsTakeManhattan staged wedding in which Miss Piggy had a real priest appear instead of Gonzo without Kermit knowing about it beforehand]], so they broke up after that, which made Kermit depressed and distant.
*** [[FridgeBrilliance ...which is why the two of them each have half of a picture from the wedding scene of ''Muppets Take Manhattan!'']] Piggy said it counted, Kermit said it didn't, and in the ensuing fight it got torn apart...

[[WMG: The movie was made and then somebody told to the producers that the movie has to be an hour and half long, forcing them to retool the script.]]
The junior novel version actually has all the scenes from the trailers which went deleted.
* The movie was originally three hours long. It was cut somehow to one hour and 45 minutes. Almost half the time!

[[WMG: The movie takes place in a universe in which Series/SesameStreet doesn't exist.]]
Even if it had been years since the Muppets performed together and the show had been largely forgotten by then, you would think that Kermit would still be at least somewhat recognizable by way of his making semi-regular appearances on Sesame Street.
* Then again, there have been cameo appearances by Sesame Street characters in previous Muppet movies (it's assumed that this movie falls within the same continuity as the others) so who knows?
** Half-Jossed: They wrote an Elmo cameo in which they try to invite him to the telethon, but a bunch of lawyers tell them no. And ''that actually happened'': a bunch of lawyers tell them no, for the ''movie.''
* This is supported by the fact that the Sesame Street gang and the brand is owned by another company, so of ''course'' the movie would act like it never existed.
* Let's not forget anything non-Muppet or Sesame Street, made the Henson company/Creature Shop, that's still owned by his family.

[[WMG: Gary and Walter are the product of an InterspeciesRomance.]]
One of Gary and Walter's parents was a Muppet and the other was human. Considering Miss Piggy believes that she and Kermit are biologically compatible (they'd produce tadpoles), it doesn't seem too far-fetched.
* You can see two sets of (human) hands during the height-measuring sequence. Doesn't rule anything out, though; those may not be their biological parents (at least not both of them).
* Alternately, ''both'' parents could be Muppets. The human hands belong to the next-door neighbors, who assisted in the measuring process because Gary was born human and soon grew so freakishly tall, Mom and Dad couldn't reach his head!

[[WMG: There will be an extended edition on the DVD release.]]
They just can't leave out all the good stuff they cut from the plot without us getting to see it, besides there would probably be too many scenes for a 'Deleted Scenes' reel.
* Jossed, but the Bluray will include deleted scenes and the extended version of Tex Richman's song.

[[WMG: Had Walter chosen "Man" in the "Man or a Muppet" song, he would have become a human played by an real actor.]]
He was a Muppet until then because that's where he was meant to be.
* Well, we ''do'' get to see a reflection of a human Walter played by Jim Parsons...

[[WMG: Muppetism is the result of a Genetic Mutation.]]
It is directly stated that Walter and Gary are biological siblings (they also even look related.) I'm putting it out there that Muppetism is a genetic mutation because most Muppet characters are animals, hence the mutation is normal for all animals and apparently plants too. So when some of your genes are mutated you do not become a Franchise/XMen but a Muppet.
* It's possible this means its treated as a birth defect, which might explain why nobody calls attention to the obvious differences between Walter and Gary, out of a desire not to be insulting. There might also be mental effects, explaining simultaneously why they're all so nuts and why Walter had needed Gary to look after him until now.
** It might also explain Walter's... quirks, like his refusal to believe that Turkey is a real country.
*** You don't ''believe'' that nonsense, do you?
** Hey now, don't go hating on Fabricated-Americans.
** In an interview, Kermit actually list insanity as one of the defining traits of a Muppet. So, if you are a Muppet, you are insane by default. Which means the Mental Effects of this WMG are practically confirmed.

[[WMG: If there's a revival of the Muppet Show, the continuity will be based on the promotional material and not within the movie.]]
In the promotional material, Walter actually has no brothers (at least not confirmed) and he's actually playing a character which coincidentally is called Walter as well. He knows Jason Segel as Jason Segel the actor who plays the brother of Walter the character. Also, Kermit has said in interviews several times that one the movie and the other is the "real" life. I'm guessing, out of respect of the Muppeteers who probably didn't like what was erased out of the continuity from ''Film/TheMuppetsTakeManhattan'' to this movie (except Bobo and Pepe), that the new show will have the continuity of the promotional material instead of the movie per se. This will be kind of easy- Walter just has to not say anything about his past and the rest of the Muppets don't have to say anything about the time they were separated and that it!
* This makes sense - ''Film/TheMuppetMovie'' is also a movie in-universe, except it's made clearer by actually ''being shown'' as such. The "actor" Muppets (in the promotional material) are probably meant to exist in [[{{Kayfabe}} "our" world]], and ''The Muppets'' is either a work of complete fiction or a dramatic retelling of how they got their theater back. '''[[RuleOfThree FUND IT!!!!]]'''

[[WMG: Until very late into development, Walter and Gary were best friends and roommates, but not brothers.]]
Some promotional material refers them as such, but most telling, in "Life's a Happy Song" Mary laments that Gary is "always off with his friend." So the decision to change this relationship may have occurred well after the songs were recorded.

[[WMG: The majority or entirety of the movie is a SelfInsertFic by Walter, and the Muppets never get back together.]]
Starting from his meeting with Kermit (or earlier), nothing actually occurred how Walter portrayed it. In actuality, the Muppet Theater was demolished, Gary and Mary ended up enduring a messy break-up (because Gary was trying so hard to make Walter feel better after the trip turned out badly), and Kermit stayed sad and alone for the rest of his life.
[[WMG/PoisonOakEpilepticTrees I really hope this one isn't true.]]
* It isn't. It was Jossed by the sequel.

[[WMG: Tex Richman was already suffering from brain damage]]
Early on in the movie Kermit offhandedly mentions him to be a philanthropist. But considering the lengths he goes to at the end of the film this seems to clash a bit. Maybe before his first appearance he suffered brain damage that made him more malevolent and robbed him of the ability to laugh.

[[WMG: Gonzo mentally snapped while the gang was walking away from him]]
Didn't his expressions seem more manic when he was on the roof? And who would blow up his own business when he could fund the telethon?
* He mentally snapped before the first season.
* It's Gonzo, and Gonzo does crazy things. This wouldn't be far from his character since the past decades, and Kermit probably knew him enough to know they wouldn't stand a chance at getting money from his company.

[[WMG: Possibilities for ''The Muppets 2'']]
What if they decide to do a direct sequel to ''The Muppets'' rather than a standalone movie? It could be fun to think of what kinds of things they'd put in it...
* Now that we all know who Walter is, the movie will focus almost completely on the Muppets as main characters, instead of being a HumanFocusedAdaptation [[SubvertedTrope trying hard not to be one]]. Gary and Mary will definitely appear again; considering that they're going back to Smalltown while Walter stays with the Muppet gang, though, their role will probably be reduced. However...
* A (major or minor) plot point will be Walter arranging a surprise wedding for Gary and Mary on The Muppet Show.
* The sequel will probably open with a straight-up episode of ''Series/TheMuppetShow'', the same way that the first movie had one during the final act. The opening number will be "Life's a Happy Song", this time performed as an actual opening number for the show by most of the main Muppets. It'll be a cover of the opening version from the first movie, with some of the lyrics changed - such as the "Life's a..." part, which would be modified to allude to the quirks of the various Muppets singing the verses.
* The main villain will be Tex Richman's businessman son (who inherited his father's inability to laugh), upset that his dad has gone insane (read:happy-go-lucky) thanks to the Muppets. He will continue what Tex started, trying to end the Muppets' careers and their brand name.
* Tex's son will probably send the Muppets to jail after finding out that [[spoiler:they kidnapped Jack Black]], which was pretty much a deleted scene from the first movie. In their absence, he has the Moopets replace them, and they put on a [[DarkerAndEdgier twisted, insane and depressing version of the Muppet Show]]. [[Music/FooFighters Dave Grohl]] (the Moopets' Animal replacement) might perform a HeelFaceTurn and help bust the Muppets out of jail (or alternately Tex himself may do it), at which point Tex's son will cross the MoralEventHorizon and try to outright ''kill'' our felt friends!
* During the movie's ending, the aforementioned wedding will finally happen (with Walter and/or Kermit as best man), complete with a big musical number by the Electric Mayhem. Then, when Mary is asked if she will take Gary as her husband (and all that jazz), she'll reply with "[[spoiler:Hugga Wugga!]]"
* And it'll kick off a montage of celebrities singing "Hugga Wugga" over the end credits with the Hugga Wugga beast (probably performed by Eric Jacobson) and the other aliens from its sketch, similar to the first movie's ending.
* We'll get more [[SugarWiki/AwesomeMusic original songs]], and some old favorites (like "Movin' Right Along" and "Bein' Green") will return. Probably even an AwardBaitSong over the end credits, either a remix of a new song, a song from the first movie (probably "Man or Muppet"), or a classic Muppet song (Music/{{Weezer}} and [[Music/{{Paramore}} Hayley Williams]]' cover of "The Rainbow Connection" would have been perfect for this).
* Along with Hugga Wugga, even more old Muppets (recurring and OneSceneWonder) will return, such as Angus [=McGonagle=] (the Argyle Gargoyle), Annie Sue, the Flying Zucchini Brothers, Bean Bunny, Clifford, Andy and Randy Pig, and more.
* In order to appeal to hipsters, [[ExecutiveMeddling Disney executives]] will demand that Pepe be given a bigger role. Thanks to competent writers, [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap this will turn out to be a good thing]].
* If the same creative team is involved, it'll be an EvenBetterSequel, correcting some of the (minor) complaints about the first movie.
** [[http://my.spill.com/profiles/blogs/muppets-sequel-on-the-way-without-jason-segal Confirmed. A Muppet sequel is announced, but Jason Segel won't be part of it.]]
*** A further news story said Segel will ''probably'' appear in the movie (likely reprising his role as Gary), he won't be otherwise involved with the production.
* Robin the Frog will be a major character, and it will feature "Uncle Kermit" having to come to terms with his [[ComingOfAgeStory coming of age]] as one subplot.

[[WMG:The Muppets decided to kidnap a celebrity due to their [[Franchise/StarWars past experience]].]]
Think about it. In the original show, it's likely that, unbeknownst to Kermit, the Muppets (likely led by Gonzo or Piggy) went and kidnapped Chewbacca for the ''Franchise/StarWars'' episode [[TheChessmaster to lure]] [[RuleOfCool Luke and the droids]] [[TheChessmaster to the Muppet Theater]] and avoid having an episode with [[BrownNote a gargling Scotsman]] as the guest star. They did it then to avoid having a dud of an episode, and they did it again to let the episode run in the first place.
* They also kidnapped John Cleese. Oddly enough, Kermit was both aware and supportive of said kidnapping. Maybe his values changed over time since then.

[[WMG: Tex Richman considered drilling into the oil from the side, but the maze of utilities in Los Angeles made this next to impossible.]]
(Not OP) Not likely, he explains in his VillainSong that [[{{Troll}} he just wants to piss off the Muppets]]. He was probably using the oil drilling as an excuse.
* (OP) in the ''deleted scene'' villain song. Not in the one in the movie.

[[WMG: Beauregard is actually a robot, powered by the Muppet's ability to work together]]
He's been frozen since the Muppets stopped working together, and only started moving again when they started to assemble. That's why he's been at the theater all this time, but not kept it clean.

[[WMG: The United States has its own Large Hadron Collider in the Muppets universe]]
It's obvious from the background that Bunsen and Beaker are working at the LHC, which is in Europe (on the border between France and Switzerland) - then when they need to get Miss Piggy everyone points out that "you can't drive to France" which if they had been to the LHC they would have done already.m
* Alternatively, Bunsen and Beaker built it themselves. With Beaker getting hilariously maimed every day.

[[WMG: The song "Me Party" was written by Beaker.]]
It's actually titled "Meep Party".

[[WMG: All Muppet shows/movies after "Take Manhattan" and "Muppet Babies" never happened]]
* In this universe, there was no ''Series/TheJimHensonHour'', no ''Ride/MuppetVision3D'', no ''Film/TheMuppetChristmasCarol'', no ''Series/MuppetsTonight'', no ''Film/MuppetTreasureIsland'', no ''Film/MuppetsFromSpace'', no ''Film/TheMuppetsWizardOfOz'' -- you get the idea, so none of the continuity ever happened.
** except for WesternAnimation/MuppetBabies, but that was based on a scene in MTM and it was animated.

[[WMG:Gonzo is actually a hybrid of both alien and Frackle.]]
* A good way to connect both Gonzo's EarlyInstallmentWeirdness and his GiveADogABone [[Film/MuppetsFromSpace film spotlight]].

[[WMG: Gonzo is the illigitimate love-child of an alien monarch and a Frackle...]]
...which is why it took so long for his family to find him.

They weren't looking for him yet, because his father didn't want him.

Gonzo's father was some kind of ruler from his world, and visited Earth on a routine mission. He had an affair with a Frackle, and at first didn't even know he'd caused her to lay an egg. When he found out he had a hybrid love child, he wanted nothing to do with him, only caring about his reputation as a ruler. Gonzo's half-siblings only found out as adults, and set out to find him on their own.

Note how the aliens in Film/MuppetsFromSpace refer to Gonzo as "brother," not "son." Gonzo's parents never wanted him. Only his brothers and sisters came looking for him.


[[WMG: Scooter's uncle didn't own the theater]]
* In this universe, it seems that the Muppets owned the theater. And with the various Muppet productions being productions that they made, Scooter's uncle must have been made up for the sake of ''The Muppet Show''.

[[WMG: Gonzo's businessman act was a result of what happened to him in Film/MuppetsFromSpace.]]
This theory operates under the assumption that any movie where the Muppets play themselves is based in reality, even if they say it's "just a movie" behind the scenes.

After Gonzo was outed as an alien, a lot of traumatic things happened to him at once. He was captured and almost de-brained by the government. Learning his true origins and meeting his family also happened a lot faster than he could probably take in at once (which is no doubt part of why he chose to stay on Earth). The adventure had a happy ending for Gonzo, but there were long-term repercussions.

Ed was gone, but there were plenty of other government agents that might come after Gonzo, and a lot of them would probably be a lot more competent than Ed. Kermit and Rizzo probably convinced Gonzo to keep a low profile about his origins. This is why, in interviews outside the movie, Gonzo said that it was "just a movie" and that he wasn't really an alien. After the Muppets left the Boarding House and went their separate ways, Gonzo began to try to fit in on Earth, and learn how to act normal. He was terrified to be himself again, after his ordeal with Ed. True, Gonzo defies death as a hobby: but getting an adrenaline rush from extreme stunts is one thing; getting imprisoned in a mad science lab is another. The trauma caused him to drift away from all of his friends except Camilla, and bury his true personality.

When Gonzo finally snapped and ripped off his business suit, he wasn't just returning to being a weirdo; he was coming back out of the closet as an alien. Note how he bellows, "Citizens of Earth, the Great Gonzo is back!" implying his off-world origins for all to hear. And the bomb wasn't just for comedic and dramatic effect: it was also a challenge to any government agents that might try to capture him again. The Great Gonzo is back, and he is armed.

[[WMG: Gonzo's FatalFlaw is that he takes people for granted.]]
In the earliest Muppet movies, Gonzo's sidekick was his girlfriend Camilla. He clearly loved Camilla (recall him offering his own life in exchange for hers when she was taken hostage in ''Film/TheMuppetsTakeManhattan''). But their relationship was strained by his wandering eyes, and his flirtations with Miss Piggy (often right in front of Camilla). Is it any surprise that Camilla vanished from the picture for most of the '90s? She probably got fed up and left him for a while.

After that, his sidekick was Rizzo. Gonzo was more communicative with his new friend (possibly helped by the fact that Rizzo speaks English), but could still be negligent ([[Film/TheMuppetChristmasCarol "Rizzo, stop playing with the cat!"]])

In ''Film/MuppetsFromSpace'', Gonzo almost leaves Earth with his alien family, and reconsiders at the last minute because of his Muppet "family" on Earth. In context, this just seems like the same cliched message a lot of family movies would have. But when one considers all of Gonzo's relationships, it makes a lot of sense.

Gonzo has a loving chicken, a best friend, and a whole family of Muppet right under his blue curved nose, and he often fails to see it.

But he seems to have picked up on this. In Film/TheMuppetsWizardOfoz, his failed relationship with Camilla is finally addressed, and his own negligence is confirmed to be the cause. In the two most recent movies, he and Camilla are back together, but Gonzo is faithful this time; no gawking at other chickens, no flirting with Miss Piggy. He and Rizzo haven't been seen together in those movies, but hopefully their friendship received the same patching-up that his with Camilla did.

** In the 2015 show they're shown to hang out together more again, together with Pepe, being the writers for ''Up Late With Miss Piggy.'' As of episode 12 (which confirms that Camilla did leave, though she makes a surprise return), they're roomates again, all three of them sharing an apartment.

[[WMG: Gonzo's species is one of the most advanced in the universe]]
This is why Gonzo's performance art goes over everyone's heads. He knows its deep meaning, but can't for the life of him explain it to us. It's because his species are on a completely different evolutionary plane than humans, frogs, pigs, or anything else on earth. After ''Film/MuppetsFromSpace'', Gonzo never went into much detail in interviews about his alien family or his species, because he couldn't explain it to us if he tried. Our minds are too simple.

This is also why he treats ordinary, non-verbal chickens as equals. He's so far removed from all Earth life, that the difference between a non-sentient chicken and, say, Kermit the Frog, is of no consequence to him.
* Alternatively, chickens are the most advanced creature on Earth, and only Gonzo--an alien on that same level--is able to understand that fact.

[[WMG: Piggy and Kermit broke up because Kermit had an affair]]
Miss Mousey was the Other Woman...er, Muppet. Kermit and Mousey had been close friends for a long time, but Piggy's insane jealousy drove a wedge between them. And ironically became a SelfFulfillingProphecy, as Kermit's patience with Piggy wore thin and he sought solace with someone he could talk to.

[[WMG: Walter was the result of Gary's mother having a one-night stand with either Guy Smiley or The Newsman]]
Would explain his orange skin and why he's a Muppet while Gary's a human.
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[[WMG: Kermit and Piggy will get back together by the end of the first season.]]
* Considering that we're four episodes into the show and it's already dropping hints that Kermit and Miss Piggy still have feelings for each other despite their breakup (mostly on Kermit's end, but Miss Piggy [[ClingyJealousGirl wasn't exactly subtle]] [[WhatDoesHeSeeInHer when she said she "[doesn't] know what [Kermit sees] in [Denise]"]] in "Pig Girls Don't Cry"), I'd be very surprised if they don't get back together eventually. Still, if the show gets green-lit for more seasons, it's possible that Kermit and Miss Piggy will go through the "break up, get back together" pattern several times. It's not like it hasn't happened before.
** As of ''Swine Song'', Kermit and Denise are no longer dating (or at least are on a break from their relationship to think things through), and Kermit and Piggy are on better terms again, even if they're not back together yet.

[[WMG: Walter doesn't appear because he's behind the camera]]
* The conceit of the series is that it's an in-universe documentary about the making of ''Up Late With Miss Piggy''. And who better to make such a documentary than the world's biggest Muppets fan?
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** It's quite likely that Creator/JasonSegel and the rest of the movie's creative team would run the show and [[DoingItForTheArt Do It For The Art]], like with the movie. They'd probably avoid having tween stars such as Miley Cyrus and Justin Bieber (as mentioned above) as guests in order to preserve the show's reputation. However, given some ExecutiveMeddling from Disney and SeasonalRot, we'd see quite a few Disney stars (and yes, Justin Bieber). [[DorkAge It'd be Studio DC all over again]], unless the creative team decides to make it work.

** John Ratzenberger and the stars of Creator/{{Pixar}}'s movies. It'd be logical considering that both are owned by Creator/{{Disney}} and both teams [[DoingItForTheArt are proud of their art]] (at least currently, especially in the Muppets' case). Pixar and Muppets Studio seem to be on really good terms (the ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory'' Toon airing before ''The Muppets'', Pixar doctoring a script for the movie, JustForFun/StatlerAndWaldorf appearing in ''WesternAnimation/{{Presto}}'', etc.). [[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/6782900/1/Pixar_Episode Someone even wrote a clever fanfic about the idea]].

*** Fozzie tries to become more "hip", and starts calling the other Muppets "bro" and basing his new act on rapid-fire internet meme references and Muppet-themed Webcomic/RageComics. Near the end, Pepe calls Fozzie out on [[UpToEleven having become more annoying than himself]], and [[StatusQuoIsGod Fozzie goes back to being his old self]].

*** The Doctor, in a Series/DoctorWho themed special. The Muppets accientally send out invitations (or just plain kidnap) all his incarnations whose actors are still alive, along with some prominet supporting characters like Amy and Rory. Davros and the Master join Stalter and Waldorf in their heckling.

* Let's not forget anything non-Muppet or Seasme Street, made the Henson company/Creature Shop, that's still owned by his family.

* The conceit of the series is that it's an in-universe documentery about the making of ''Up Late With Miss Piggy''. And who better to make such a documentary than the world's biggest Muppets fan?

** Creator/SamuelLJackson. Just like Creator/WilliamShatner, this would be [[RuleOfCool pure unadulterated awesome]]. Maybe both Mace Windu and Yoda could be in the new ''StarWars'' episode, or Dearth Nadir could appear with Sam playing Mace. He could also do a PG-rated parody of the various memes from ''Film/SnakesOnAPlane'' (most likely quoting the [[SoBadItsGood "melon farming snakes on this Monday-to-Friday plane"]] TV edit line verbatim).

[[WMG:The Muppets decided to kidnap a celebrity due to their [[StarWars past experience]].]]
Think about it. In the original show, it's likely that, unbeknownst to Kermit, the Muppets (likely led by Gonzo or Piggy) went and kidnapped Chewbacca for the ''StarWars'' episode [[TheChessmaster to lure]] [[RuleOfCool Luke and the droids]] [[TheChessmaster to the Muppet Theater]] and avoid having an episode with [[BrownNote a gargling Scotsman]] as the guest star. They did it then to avoid having a dud of an episode, and they did it again to let the episode run in the first place.

** Creator/WilliamShatner. One of the most likely guests, seeing him with the Muppets would be [[CrazyAwesome pure awesome]]. He could hijack the Swinetrek in his [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries Captain Kirk]] persona just like the ''Franchise/StarWars'' stars did and even perform a [[Music/{{Queen}} Bohemian Rhapsody]] mashup since both he and the Muppets covered the song.

*** Special guest star Creator/BruceCampbell. The [[CrazyAwesome Muppet]] [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Zombie]] [[Franchise/EvilDead Apocalypse]] Episode. ''Make it happen, Disney!''