History WMG / TheGreatGatsby

* Franchise/{{Batman}}. Think about it. Rich? Check. Single? Mysterious? Check. Involved in some way with criminals? Check. IdleRich? Check.

[[WMG: Nick is Franchise/SpiderMan.]]

* Franchise/{{Batman}}. Think about it. Rich? Check. Single? Mysterious? Check. Involved in some way with criminals? Check. RichIdiotWithNoDayJob? Check.

What if it was is Tom who left first? It could go this way: after he leaves, he nearly kills Myrtle en route, who reveals to her husband that Tom was cuckolding him, resulting in a scuffle interrupted by the police who arrest Wilson and fine Tom for speeding. At the same time, Daisy and Jay arrive and witness the brawl happening, giving Daisy the impetus needed for her to finally break free of her abusive marriage. After Daisy and Gatsby sort out their differences and paperwork regarding her divorcing Tom, they get married, with Nick and Jordan as best man and woman to the couple, and Myrtle reconciles with her husband while Tom is left alone under the Doctor's watchful eyes. To cap it off, Nick and Jordan decide to marry each other afterwards and enjoy a reasonably happy and stable life together.

What if it was is Tom who left first? It could go this way: after he leaves, he nearly kills Myrtle en route, who reveals to her husband that Tom was cuckolding him, resulting in a scuffle interrupted by the police who arrest Wilson and fine Tom for speeding. At the same time, Daisy and Jay arrive and witness the brawl happening, giving Daisy the impetus needed for her to divorce Tom and marry Gatsby after she sees his true colors. During their wedding, Nick shows up as best man and later marries Jordan after the wedding, and Myrtle reconciles with her husband while Tom is left alone under the Doctor's watchful eyes.

What if it was is Tom who left first? It could go this way: after he leaves, he nearly kills Myrtle en route, who reveals to her husband that Tom was cuckolding him, resulting in a scuffle interrupted by the police who arrest Wilson and fine Tom for speeding. At the same time, Daisy and Jay arrive and witness the brawl happening, giving Daisy the impetus needed for her to divorce Tom and marry Gatsby after she sees his true colors. During their wedding, Nick shows up as best man, later marrying Jordan, and Myrtle reconciles with her husband while Tom is left alone under the Doctor's watchful eyes.]]

What if it was is Tom who left first and he nearly kills Myrtle, who reveals to her husband that Tom was cuckolding him, there's a scuffle interrupted by the police who arrest Wilson and fines Tom for speeding. Daisy and Jay arrive and witness all that. Daisy divorces Tom and marries Gatsby with Nick best man, later marrying Jordan. Myrtle reconciles with her husband and Tom is left alone under the Doctor's watchful eyes.]]

* This was a popular thing to discuss in my International Baccalaureate English class (even if we spent hours talking about T.J. Eckelburg). The best line that symbolized this was her wishing her daughter would grow up to be a "beautiful little fool", so she wouldn't have to suffer the life of being beautiful, rich, intelligent, and trapped by society, regretting decisions made in her past. Of course, IB runs on overanalyzation, AlternateCharacterInterpretation, and obsessing over tiny, insignificant lines.

** Another troper adding to this: this was briefly discussed in a literature course I took in college. We came to the conclusion that the green light is his batsignal.

** I took Daisy winking at Nick to be a show that she doesn't take Tom's views on race seriously. It's also worth noting that there's very little indication that either Gatsby or Daisy are anything less than white passing. Gatsby however, while likely not black, might be Jewish. His original name was, "Jimmy Gatz" and he's involved with Meyer Wolfsheim, a notorious Jewish gangster.

** Wolfsheim is based off of RL Arnold Rothstein, so I think it's fair to assume in the book they're the same character, and Wolfsheim did, in fact, fix the World Series.

*** It doesn't, at least in the book. Daisy says Pamela was born in April, she's three years old, placing her birth in April 1919. Gatsby and Daisy had sex in October 1917. Daisy and Tom got married in the summer of 1918 (remember the discussion of how hot it was on their wedding day?) and spent months on a tropical honeymoon. If Gatsby had gotten Daisy pregnant, the baby would have been born shortly after the wedding, meaning, at the very least, that Pammy isn't Gatsby's kid. Also, Pammy has Tom's hair color, Daisy's protestations notwithstanding. Daisy is said to have dark hair, Tom's is straw-colored, and Pammy's is "yyellow, at least according to Daisy. Hence, it's most likely that Pammy was conceived on Tom and Daisy's honeymoon.

[[WMG: Daisy and Tom were punished by the Great Depression]]

** People who were ''materially'' wealthy, i.e in land or gold or whatnot, actually didn't do too badly in the Depression, because their possessions never lost their value.
** Unfortunately, those hit hardest by the Depression ''were'' those who worked the hardest. The farmers and the general working-class of America were generally the ones given the short-end of the stick during this time. Since Tom inherited his wealth, and most of his money probably isn't invested in the stocks or banks that crashed during the Depression, he most likely could have stood the storm. Even worse, considering he made his money off of Wall Street, ''Nick'' would have probably been hit the hardest out of the main cast by the Great Depression. Considering he's seeking help for his addiction around this time, either his alcoholism was in part brought on by the shock of going from living a generally stable life to struggling, near penniless and broke, in the span of a few days, or he's been struggling with his disease for quite some time, brought on by the trauma of the ending events of the novel, and reached rock bottom ''just as'' the Great Depression is about to hit, leaving him even worse for wear. NoGoodDeedGoesUnpunished indeed.

[[WMG: Daisy was not as dumb as she came across]]

** Coming from another IB student: the great thing about that is that it's relatively easy to pass off EveryoneIsJesusInPurgatory arguments in your essays, filling them with SesquipedalianLoquaciousness and handing them in to receive you're "hard earned" 6 or 7.

[[WMG: Gatsby is a [[Series/DoctorWho Time Lord.]] ]]

* "Can't repeat the past? Why of course you can!"

[[WMG:Gatsby is.....]]

[[WMG: "Daisy" as a person never existed within the universe; she's actually a detailed metaphor for a car]]

[[WMG: Gatsby ''did'' "kill a man"]]
* We learn that Gatsby is a gangster and runs pharmacies selling illegal alcohol, but we never find out the other ways he earns money. Gatsby was willing to let an innocent man (who Tom sent to discover Gatsby's criminal activities) go to jail, so it's likely that one of the rumors about him is true; he did kill someone (probably a rival gangster) or orchestrated their death. In the chapter where Tom reveals that Gatsby is a gangster, Nick notes Gatsby does look like he "killed a man". Guilt, maybe?

*** If all soldiers probably killed several men, more would have died than served. The large conscript-armies of the World Wars consisted in large parts of 'ordinary men' who in many cases tried to avoid killing their foes; which was balanced out by those who readily gave in to the violence. Add to that the many non-frontline tasks which had to be done and the equasion soldier=having killed doesn't work.

[[WMG: Nick is gay]]

** There was an article somewhere on the internet that elaborated on this theory. The author pointed out that the greatest compliment Nick gives Daisy, this supposed great beauty, is that she's got a nice voice. Compare his descriptions of the female characters to his description of Tom; his descriptions of the women are all fairly dismissive, but the passage he devotes to describing Tom to the reader borders on the erotic: the 'enormous power' of his body, and then there's this: "He seemed to fill those glistening boots until he strained the top lacing, and you could see a great pack of muscle shifting when his shoulder moved under his thin coat."
** There's also the odd scene early on where he leaves the party with McKee and the narration abruptly cuts to McKee's bedroom (''I was standing beside his bed and he was sitting up between the sheets, clad in his underwear, with a great portfolio in his hands.'') then to Nick at the train station hours later.
** Tom says something very interesting to Nick about Gatsby. He says "[Gatsby] pulled the wool over your eyes just like he did to Daisy." Daisy was in love with Gatsby, or at least [[InLoveWithLove in love with the idea of being in love with him]].
** It's not exactly a stretch of interpretation to say that Nick idealizes Gatsby in the same way Gatsby idealizes Daisy.

* Jordan did cheat in the golf tournament - by magical means. And Confunded or wiped that memory from the minds of the witnesses who would testify that she cheated. In order to associate with Tom she must have magical blood in her veins. At the same time, she knows enough about a Muggle sport to make a living out of it, so one of her parents is of Muggle birth.

[[WMG: Daisy wanted to attend Gatsby's funeral, but was pressured into not doing so by Tom]]

(( WMG Alternate ending: It is Tom leaving first and near killing Myrtle, who reveals her husband Tom was cickplding him, Rgere's a scuffle interrupted by the police who arrest wILSON and fines Tom for speeding. Daisy and Jay arrive and witness all that. Daisy divorces Tom and marries !Gatsby with Nick best man that marries Jordan. Myrtle reconciles with her husband and Tom is left alone under the manfest's eyes.))

* "Over the Love" isn't from Daisy's POV, but from the POV of a gender-bent Gatsby ("yellow dress"). Gatsby's the one fixated on the green light, which is repeated about every other line in the song. He's had his dream (the green light) since he was a child. ("Ever since I was a child/I turned it over in my head") Gatsby tries to save Daisy (Dale?) from her (his) marriage to Tom (I can't come up with a name here...), hence "you're a hard soul to save." Perhaps in this universe, lady!Gatsby started as a prostitute/singer ("sing from the piano") and met Dale on a gig in his house, then after gaining the favor of Dan Cody and learning how to live as a socialite, uses her old connections to the underworld to get into bootlegging.

[[WMG: The Great Gatsby is a symbolic representation of Creator/LeonardoDiCaprio's life]]
* His estate is his filmography; his pool is the movie Titanic; his dreams of obtaining Daisy for himself represent the movie Film/{{Inception}} his extravagent parties his cinematic attempts; his grande past accomplishments his credentials; his car his reputation; the green light his hopes and dreams; Nick Carraway the Academy; Jordan Baker is Jennifer Lawrence; Tom Buchanan is Daniel Day Lewis. Daisy is the Oscar.

[[WMG: Gatsby is Jack Dawson]]

[[WMG: Nick is Spider-man.]]

They're in New York, he's played by Toney Maguire...this wmg was practically obligatory!

[[WMG: Nick and FScottFitzgerald are the same person.]]

** So when Leo won as Oscar in 2016, does that mean he got Daisy?

* His estate is his filmography; his pool is the movie Titanic; his dreams of obtaining Daisy for himself represent the movie {{Inception}} his extravagent parties his cinematic attempts; his grande past accomplishments his credentials; his car his reputation; the green light his hopes and dreams; Nick Carraway the Academy; Jordan Baker is Jennifer Lawrence; Tom Buchanan is Daniel Day Lewis. Daisy is the Oscar.

(( Alternate ending: It is Tom leaving first and near killing Myrtle, who reveals her husband Tom was cickplding him, Rgere's a scuffle interrupted by the police who arrest wILSON and fines Tom for speeding. Daisy and Jay arrive and witness all that. Daisy divorces Tom and marries !Gatsby with Nick best man that marries Jordan. Myrtle reconciles with her husband and Tom is left alone under the manfest's eyes.))

(( Alternate ending: It is Tom leaving first and near killing Myrtle, who reveals her husband Tom was cickplding him, Rgere's a scuffle interrupted by the police who arrest wILSON and fines Tom for speeding. Daisy and Jay arrive and witness all that. Daisy divorces Tom and marries !Gatsby with Nick best man that marries Jordan. Myrtle reconciles with her husband and Tom is left alone under the manfest's eyes.!