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She would have no particular reason to admire the organization, or its leader, even if he was her father. All he did was abandon her and her mother in "the worst place on earth", and then try to separate her from the man she loved. So she decided to [[CallingTheOldManOut get back at him]] after his death by destroying the organization he spent his life serving. She and Bane had 8+ years to systematically run the League into the ground, changing it from an AncientConspiracy that [[BeenThereShapedHistory subtly influenced history]] [[TheMasquerade without the public's knowledge]] (Black Plague, Fire of London, etc.) to a publicly-known terrorist group being hunted by the CIA. Then they gathered all the League's remaining members in one city and tried to blow them up.

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She would have no particular reason to admire the organization, or its leader, even if he was her father. All he did was abandon her and her mother in "the worst place on earth", and then try to separate her from the man she loved. So she decided to [[CallingTheOldManOut get back at him]] after his death by destroying the organization he spent his life serving. She and Bane had 8+ years to systematically run the League into the ground, changing it from an AncientConspiracy that [[BeenThereShapedHistory subtly influenced history]] [[TheMasquerade without the public's knowledge]] (Black Plague, Fire of London, etc.) to a publicly-known terrorist group being hunted by the CIA. Then they gathered all the League's remaining members in one city and tried to blow them up.up.

[[WMG: The Dark Knight Trilogy takes place in the Person Of Interest universe]]
The third board member who turns on the fusion device is played by the same actor who played John Greer from ''Series/PersonOfInterest''. In the first movie we are told that the League of Shadow's has infiltrated all levels of society, so it's entirely likely they've recruited a member of the Wayne Enterprises board who also believes in the decline of Western Civilization and the need to begin anew. After the Gotham plan failed, the League decided to invest their hopes in Samaritan instead. This is why we never find out who Decima Technologies are in the POI universe, as they're just another front of the League of Shadows.
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[[WMG: Selena Kyle's roommate's name is really HarleyQuinn.]]

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[[WMG: Selena Kyle's roommate's name is really HarleyQuinn.[[Characters/BatmanRoguesGalleryPart1 Harley Quinn]].]]
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[[WMG: Alternately, The Bat was actually his [[Series/DoctorWho TARDIS]], and Batman is a TimeLord.]]

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[[WMG: Alternately, The Bat was actually his [[Series/DoctorWho TARDIS]], and Batman is a TimeLord.JustForFun/TimeLord.]]
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The "software patch" did not actually work (Bruce isn't a coder, after all). It was just put in as a message to Lucius. Bruce did indeed survive (thus the scene in Italy at the end is real), he was able to withstand the blast because he is the Goddamn Batman.

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The "software patch" did not actually work (Bruce isn't a coder, after all). It was just put in as a message to Lucius. Bruce did indeed survive (thus the scene in Italy at the end is real), he was able to withstand the blast because he is the Goddamn Batman.Batman.

[[WMG:Talia's goal was to destroy the League of Shadows.]]
She would have no particular reason to admire the organization, or its leader, even if he was her father. All he did was abandon her and her mother in "the worst place on earth", and then try to separate her from the man she loved. So she decided to [[CallingTheOldManOut get back at him]] after his death by destroying the organization he spent his life serving. She and Bane had 8+ years to systematically run the League into the ground, changing it from an AncientConspiracy that [[BeenThereShapedHistory subtly influenced history]] [[TheMasquerade without the public's knowledge]] (Black Plague, Fire of London, etc.) to a publicly-known terrorist group being hunted by the CIA. Then they gathered all the League's remaining members in one city and tried to blow them up.
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[[WMG: TheJoker is HeWhoMustNotBeNamed ]]

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[[WMG: TheJoker ComicBook/TheJoker is HeWhoMustNotBeNamed ]]



[[WMG: TheJoker has been bronzed]]

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[[WMG: TheJoker The Joker has been bronzed]]
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[[WMG: TheVampireDiaries Katherine Pierce is an ancestor of Selina Kyle.]]

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[[WMG: TheVampireDiaries Series/TheVampireDiaries Katherine Pierce is an ancestor of Selina Kyle.]]
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*** Or given the upcoming movie ''Film/PremiumRush'', maybe BruceWillis will be the one who plays an older version of Joseph Gordon-Levitt's Robin.

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*** Or given the upcoming movie ''Film/PremiumRush'', maybe BruceWillis Creator/BruceWillis will be the one who plays an older version of Joseph Gordon-Levitt's Robin.
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Notice how the scene where Alfred sees Bruce and Selina in the cafe is rather dreamlike, reminiscent of Cobb's vision of his kids in ''{{Inception}}''? That's because it ''is'' a dream: it's just Alfred imagining the happy ending he had wished for Bruce that never came to be. As for the autopilot thing, all we know is that Bruce had updated The Bat with an autopilot program, but maybe it didn't work properly, or maybe Bruce didn't trust it enough to carry out such a crucial mission, so he chose to fly manually until the bomb exploded. Look at scene where Batman is flying above the sea: the time that elapses between the last shot of him in the cockpit and the bomb's explosion is way too short for him to have made it outside of the bomb's radius. And it's not like there's some missing time between those shots, during the finale the clock is ticking in real time. And the fixed Batsignal Commissioner Gordon finds? Before his death, Bruce simply fixed it himself, or arranged someone else to do it, trusting that Blake would take up the mantle of Batman after him.

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Notice how the scene where Alfred sees Bruce and Selina in the cafe is rather dreamlike, reminiscent of Cobb's vision of his kids in ''{{Inception}}''? ''Film/{{Inception}}''? That's because it ''is'' a dream: it's just Alfred imagining the happy ending he had wished for Bruce that never came to be. As for the autopilot thing, all we know is that Bruce had updated The Bat with an autopilot program, but maybe it didn't work properly, or maybe Bruce didn't trust it enough to carry out such a crucial mission, so he chose to fly manually until the bomb exploded. Look at scene where Batman is flying above the sea: the time that elapses between the last shot of him in the cockpit and the bomb's explosion is way too short for him to have made it outside of the bomb's radius. And it's not like there's some missing time between those shots, during the finale the clock is ticking in real time. And the fixed Batsignal Commissioner Gordon finds? Before his death, Bruce simply fixed it himself, or arranged someone else to do it, trusting that Blake would take up the mantle of Batman after him.
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** [[GrangeHill ...Mr. Bronson?]]

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** [[GrangeHill ...[[Series/GrangeHill ...Mr. Bronson?]]
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It was suggested on the WMG page for WMG/TheDarkKnightTrilogy that "Ra's Al Ghul" is simply a title inherited by whoever is the leader of the League Of Shadows, and thus, Liam Neeson's character's birth name was Henri Ducard all along. If this is the case, then 'Talia al Ghul' could be just an alias for Marion Cotillard's character in ''The Dark Knight Rises'', and her birth name hence was Miranda Ducard, until she either changed her name or married someone with the surname 'Tate', and moved to the United States sometime around the time ''Batman Begins'' happened. There's no evidence to confirm this, but it seems plausible.

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It was suggested on the WMG page for WMG/TheDarkKnightTrilogy that "Ra's Al Ghul" is simply a title inherited by whoever is the leader of the League Of Shadows, and thus, Liam Neeson's character's birth name was Henri Ducard all along. If this is the case, then 'Talia al Ghul' could be just an alias for Marion Cotillard's character in ''The Dark Knight Rises'', and her birth name hence was Miranda Ducard, until she either changed her name or married someone with the surname 'Tate', and moved to the United States sometime around the time ''Batman Begins'' happened. There's no evidence to confirm this, but it seems plausible.plausible.

[[WMG:Batman did not eject from the Bat before the bomb detonated]].
The "software patch" did not actually work (Bruce isn't a coder, after all). It was just put in as a message to Lucius. Bruce did indeed survive (thus the scene in Italy at the end is real), he was able to withstand the blast because he is the Goddamn Batman.

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**Crane got to run the KangarooCourt because he was a former League of Shadows conspirator.




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***That's just the story the novelization goes by. Without it, one could assume the Joker may have been shot in the head by that SWAT officer.



* Before Catwoman comes to the rescue, they have Batman at their mercy and are about to kill him. Why would they lie to him when he would be soon dead anyway?
** OP here. Bane could have been willing to let Talia think she was in charge, or at least an equal partner. So, Talia wasn't lying, exactly, because she didn't know the truth herself. Bane was the only one who knew the truth, and rather than lose Talia's and the League's support he rolled with it, as there wasn't much of a drawback.

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* Before Catwoman Selina Kyle comes to the rescue, they have Batman at their mercy and are about to kill him. Why would they lie to him when he would be soon dead anyway?
** OP here. Bane could have been willing to let Talia think she was in charge, or at least an equal partner. After all, he made Daggett think that. So, Talia wasn't lying, exactly, because she didn't know the truth herself. Bane was the only one who knew the truth, and rather than lose Talia's and the League's support he rolled with it, as there wasn't much of a drawback.



* And in a number of his scenes, it does seem that Bane is calling the shots. The entire abduction of Dr. Pavel is clearly done by Bane and his men without Talia having anything to do with that. The Stock Exchange robbery is something that Bane orchestrates, plans, and leads.

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* And in a number of his scenes, it does seem It's clear that Bane is calling the shots.shots in a lot of his scenes. The entire abduction of Dr. Pavel is clearly done by Bane and his men without Talia having anything to do with that. The robbery at the Stock Exchange robbery is something that Bane orchestrates, plans, was orchestrated, planned, and leads.
executed by Bane, and he made it look like he was doing it for Daggett.



*** Not every cop. Remember that they still had to have a good portion of the force assigned to respond to regular emergency calls, to whom the congressman would be second priority.
** Still, given that there's about ''two minutes'' between when Selina tricks Stryver into making the phone call and when the SWAT team arrives at the door, it seems as if the SWAT team had to have been no more than a few blocks away from the bar. Though if the bar happens to be in a high-crime area like the Southwest Side of Chicago is today, I guess another explanation could be that the reason police respond so quickly is that they have saturation patrols.
** Alternate possibility: Before entering the bar she uses the cell phone herself nearby to pull police to the area, but moves before they arrive so they're busy left wondering where in the nearby several blocks the Congressman is. When the phone pings a second time in the bar, they immediately home in on it because they're already doing a close search of the area.

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*** Not every cop. Remember that they still had to have a good portion of the force assigned to respond to regular emergency calls, 911 calls or perform street patrols, to whom the congressman would be second priority.
** Still, given that there's about ''two minutes'' between when Selina tricks Stryver into making the phone call and when the SWAT team arrives at the door, it seems as if the SWAT team had to have been no more than a few two to three blocks away from the bar. Though if bar at most. There are two possibilities from here on out:
***A) If
the bar happens to be in a high-crime area like the Southwest Side of Chicago is today, I guess another explanation could be that Chicago, and certain neighborhoods of St. Louis and Cleveland, the reason police respond so quickly is that because they have perform saturation patrols.
** Alternate possibility: ***B) Before entering the bar she bar, Selina Kyle uses the cell phone herself nearby to pull call the police so that they'll be brought to the area, but moves before they arrive so they're busy left wondering where in the nearby several blocks the Congressman is. When the phone pings a second time in the bar, they immediately home in on it because they're already doing a close search of the area.
area, so the SWAT team immediately is sent to storm the place.



He escaped from Arkham in ''Batman Begins.'' Promotional material for ''The Dark Knight'' said that he was still at large, and we never see Batman meet him again in that movie, at the end of which he apparently retires. Zsasz does not appear in ''The Dark Knight Rises.'' He probably left Gotham to add more scars...

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He escaped from Arkham in ''Batman Begins.'' Promotional material for ''The Dark Knight'' said that he was still at large, and we never see Batman meet him again in that movie, at the end of which he apparently retires. Zsasz does not appear in ''The Dark Knight Rises.'' He probably left Gotham to add more scars...scars...

[[WMG:Like her father, "Talia al Ghul" is just an alias name, and Miranda Tate is in fact her real name]]
It was suggested on the WMG page for WMG/TheDarkKnightTrilogy that "Ra's Al Ghul" is simply a title inherited by whoever is the leader of the League Of Shadows, and thus, Liam Neeson's character's birth name was Henri Ducard all along. If this is the case, then 'Talia al Ghul' could be just an alias for Marion Cotillard's character in ''The Dark Knight Rises'', and her birth name hence was Miranda Ducard, until she either changed her name or married someone with the surname 'Tate', and moved to the United States sometime around the time ''Batman Begins'' happened. There's no evidence to confirm this, but it seems plausible.
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***** Or, a certain reporter in metropolis was alerted and saved Batman.
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**Jossed. For all it's worth, gas mask or not, you can't survive being thrown backwards after being shot at point blank range with a motorcycle-mounted cannon that is designed to destroy cars and concrete walls.
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After being put in a cell quite near to Joker, and after a good minute of awkward silence, Bane's first question is "What's the food like?"

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After being put in a cell quite near to Joker, and after a good minute of awkward silence, Bane's first question is "What's the food like?"like?"

[[WMG: Zsasz is [[FridgeHorror still at large]].]]
He escaped from Arkham in ''Batman Begins.'' Promotional material for ''The Dark Knight'' said that he was still at large, and we never see Batman meet him again in that movie, at the end of which he apparently retires. Zsasz does not appear in ''The Dark Knight Rises.'' He probably left Gotham to add more scars...
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* Or he could become Azazel by being a Batman that uses deadly force and considering that Bane breaking Batman was what made Azazel become Batman sooner than he expected. So a reversal of Azazel becoming Batman doesn't seem to far-fetched.

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* Or he could become Azazel Azrael by being a Batman that uses deadly force and considering that Bane breaking Batman was what made Azazel become Batman sooner than he expected. So a reversal of Azazel becoming Batman doesn't seem to far-fetched.
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*And James Gordon is Sirius Black. Why so Sirius?
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[[WMG: Having his plane crashed 'with no survivors' was all part of [[GameOfThrones Littlefinger]]'s plan]]

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[[WMG: Having his plane crashed 'with no survivors' was all part of [[GameOfThrones [[Series/GameOfThrones Littlefinger]]'s plan]]
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There were two functions of the Clean Slate. The first use on a name would delete all prior records. The second use would ''restore'' the records. They succeeded at making a person disappear. But as in ThePrestige, the hard part was figuring out how to bring the vanished person back. Thus, the half-operational program was unsuitable for government use. Also, once the criminal underworld got word of it, they had extra incentive to destroy it, or pretend it was destroyed.

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There were two functions of the Clean Slate. The first use on a name would delete all prior records. The second use would ''restore'' the records. They succeeded at making a person disappear. But as in ThePrestige, ''Film/ThePrestige'', the hard part was figuring out how to bring the vanished person back. Thus, the half-operational program was unsuitable for government use. Also, once the criminal underworld got word of it, they had extra incentive to destroy it, or pretend it was destroyed.
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[[WMG: Bruce really did die in the explosion...]]
* ...but he used [[Film/The Prestige a certain machine]] to make sure he could live afterwards.
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[[WMG: Bruce survived by putting a [[Film/The Prestige Transported Man machine]] into The Bat.]]
* Assuming all of Nolan's films take place in the same universe, or course. Either the real Bruce died in the explosion, or a clone did.

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[[WMG: Bruce survived by putting a [[Film/The Prestige Transported Man machine]] into The Bat.really did die in the explosion...]]
* Assuming all of Nolan's films take place in the same universe, or course. Either the real Bruce died in the explosion, or * ...but he used [[Film/The Prestige a clone did.
certain machine]] to make sure he could live afterwards.
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[[WMG: Bruce survived by putting a [[Film/The Prestige Transported Man machine]] into The Bat.]]
*Assuming all of Nolan's films take place in the same universe, or course. Either the real Bruce died in the explosion, or a clone did.

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* ClintEastwood as older Bruce. Not sure who would play Terry [=McGinnis=] though.
** Alternately, ClintEastwood will play an older Blake, who will be an {{Expy}} for the older Bruce Wayne. Joseph Gordon-Levitt will play Terry [=McGinnis=], a reference to the fact that in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' [[spoiler: Terry is Bruce Wayne's [[IdenticalGrandson biological son]].]]

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* ClintEastwood Creator/ClintEastwood as older Bruce. Not sure who would play Terry [=McGinnis=] though.
** Alternately, ClintEastwood Creator/ClintEastwood will play an older Blake, who will be an {{Expy}} for the older Bruce Wayne. Joseph Gordon-Levitt will play Terry [=McGinnis=], a reference to the fact that in ''WesternAnimation/BatmanBeyond'' [[spoiler: Terry is Bruce Wayne's [[IdenticalGrandson biological son]].]]
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** Alternately: The Dark Knight Beyond
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and is now residing in Warehouse 13.

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and is now residing in Warehouse 13.13.

[[WMG: Bane survived the shot and is made the second inmate of Arkham]]
After being put in a cell quite near to Joker, and after a good minute of awkward silence, Bane's first question is "What's the food like?"
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*Or he could become Azazel by being a Batman that uses deadly force and considering that Bane breaking Batman was what made Azazel become Batman sooner than he expected. So a reversal of Azazel becoming Batman doesn't seem to far-fetched.
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** Alternate possibility: Before entering the bar she uses the cell phone herself nearby to pull police to the area, but moves before they arrive so they're busy left wondering where in the nearby several blocks the Congressman is. When the phone pings a second time in the bar, they immediately home in on it because they're already doing a close search of the area.
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* Also, Christopher Guest, who played Teal'c in the ''Stargate'' franchise, plays the black captain of the team that captures Blake during his aborted attempt to rescue cops from underground.

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* Also, A casting case that might suggest a link: Christopher Guest, the actor who played Teal'c in the ''Stargate'' franchise, plays is the black captain of the team of henchmen that captures Blake during his aborted attempt to rescue cops from underground.
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[[GrangeHill ...Mr. Bronson?]]

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** [[GrangeHill ...Mr. Bronson?]]
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[[GrangeHill ...Mr. Bronson?]]

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[[WMG: Selena Kyle's roommate's real name is Pamela Irsley]]

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[[WMG: Selena Kyle's roommate's real name is Pamela Irsley]]Isley]]



That's the in universe reason why no one ever mentions him.

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That's the in universe reason why no one ever mentions him.him.

[[WMG: TheJoker has been bronzed]]
and is now residing in Warehouse 13.

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