History WMG / SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet

10th Jun '17 7:32:01 AM TheScottishGeek
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* In this AU, she's with a man who she actually loves, but he gives her LaserGuidedKarma for the harm she caused. This is the end of the dream and the trigger of her HeelFaceTurn (which happens offscreen).

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* In this AU, she's with a man who she actually loves, but he gives her LaserGuidedKarma for the harm she caused. This is the end of the dream and the trigger of her HeelFaceTurn (which happens offscreen).offscreen).
[[WMG: Toby will become a vigilante or police officer after the events of the film version.]]
He didn't look crazy when he killed Sweeney he looked vengeful and disgusted. He will no doubt be traumatized by the events but I don't think it's impossible that his morality would have survived the experience. Perhaps he'll come away from it with a grim determination to make sure monsters like Todd and Lovett never go un-opposed. It's overly optimistic considering the nature of the story but it's possible.
4th Aug '16 4:30:47 PM belmontzar
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*** Not at first, in the begining of the play the prostitute we later learn is Lucy encounters Todd and says. "Hey, don't I know you, mister?" and Todd Chases her off in anger. He only recognises who Lucy was after her death.
30th May '16 4:45:20 AM magic713
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* To further this, perhaps most of the story she told Sweeny Todd was a lie. Yes, Sweeney Todd was falsely sent to prison and Judge Turpin did take Joanna as his ward, but everything else could've been a lie to hide her crime, and she knew that Sweeny Todd would be willing to believe her story because of his hatred towards Judge Turpin.
19th Apr '16 1:33:01 PM TheOneWhoTropes
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Not only does she look [[HeyItsThatGuy exactly like]] [[Creator/HelenaBonhamCarter Mrs. Lovett]], she also shares traits and dressing choices with her. In the book, Mme. Thénardier is (only very slightly) less evil than her husband. After Éponine and Gavroche died, she went on with her life, but slowly her guilt feeling started to sink in, untill she had a HeelFaceTurn in the way of a dream.

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Not only does she look [[HeyItsThatGuy exactly like]] like [[Creator/HelenaBonhamCarter Mrs. Lovett]], she also shares traits and dressing choices with her. In the book, Mme. Thénardier is (only very slightly) less evil than her husband. After Éponine and Gavroche died, she went on with her life, but slowly her guilt feeling started to sink in, untill she had a HeelFaceTurn in the way of a dream.
29th Jun '15 3:23:14 PM Seanette
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* There's the likelihood of some mental illness from her father's side of the family, fifteen years being taken care of by a corrupt judge with an unwholesome interest in her innocence, a [[GoAmongMadPeople spate in that most comforting of places, the nineteenth century madhouse]], an attempt on her life, and the discovery of a serial killer. Who was her dad, who killed her mom, who herself was a mentally ill beggar and prostitute for those fifteen years. And of course, the discovery of a TortureCellar filled with bits of people in meat grinders. Just the fact that she goes off with Anthony doesn't insure their happy ending lasts. Given just how little time she spent with him, she probably would have jumped on ''any'' chance to get out of the Judge's care.

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* There's the likelihood of some mental illness from her father's side of the family, fifteen years being taken care of by a corrupt judge with an unwholesome interest in her innocence, a [[GoAmongMadPeople spate stint in that most comforting of places, the nineteenth century madhouse]], an attempt on her life, and the discovery of a serial killer. Who was her dad, who killed her mom, who herself was a mentally ill beggar and prostitute for those fifteen years. And of course, the discovery of a TortureCellar filled with bits of people in meat grinders. Just the fact that she goes off with Anthony doesn't insure their happy ending lasts. Given just how little time she spent with him, she probably would have jumped on ''any'' chance to get out of the Judge's care.
15th Jun '15 11:13:58 AM SnowQueen
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** Except ''From Hell'' totally sucked. I wanted Johnny to be Jack, not some junkie! But this theory is way too cool to be an epiliptic tree. It makes me want to write really gory fanfiction.
4th Oct '14 8:17:44 PM Vhin
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** Unfortunately, this is extremely unlikely. He was able to recognize Lucy.
22nd Aug '14 6:10:49 PM Sapphirea2
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(going with the Burton film version of both Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet & CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory]]...on the side, he was a [[CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory candy-maker]]. He figured that he could make extra money pulling the teeth of those who indulged in too much of his chocolate. Plus, he worked to make his relationship with Toby to mirror that of his relationship with Charlie.

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(going with the Burton film version of both Film/SweeneyToddTheDemonBarberOfFleetStreet & CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory]]...Film/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory]]...on the side, he was a [[CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory [[Film/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory candy-maker]]. He figured that he could make extra money pulling the teeth of those who indulged in too much of his chocolate. Plus, he worked to make his relationship with Toby to mirror that of his relationship with Charlie.
9th Jul '14 5:51:14 PM dontcallmewave
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** True or not, it adds a whole new dimension to the story.
5th Jun '14 12:27:15 PM Sapphirea2
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They're all the grandchildren of identical twins. Also, Johanna had a son named [[CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory Willy, who moved away, built a candy factory, and changed his last name to a silly, alliterative word]]. He then had a son who took the name and factory in a new (trippier) direction and looked like Benjamen Barker.

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They're all the grandchildren of identical twins. Also, Johanna had a son named [[CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory [[Film/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory Willy, who moved away, built a candy factory, and changed his last name to a silly, alliterative word]]. He then had a son who took the name and factory in a new (trippier) direction and looked like Benjamen Barker.
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