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[[WMG: Chuck's ending is a whole-scene ShoutOut to Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick]]
Chuck is the Ultimate Bard, writing the lives of the Winchesters according to whatever gives Him the most entertainment; he's even called a hack writer by other characters. When Chuck's "end" comes, he waits for it to be the glorious death: Sam and Dean's revenge on the one who's made their lives so miserable. But instead, the Winchesters just leave him in the middle of nowhere to die old and forgotten, as Chuck screams about it being an unsatisfying, unfair, awful ending.
Now check out [[https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0936.html The Order of the Stick #936]], where Elan beats his Bard-Tyrant Father by dropping him in the middle of an empty desert, leaving the father screaming that ending is "TERRIBLE!" and unresolved, and for the Order to come back and finish it properly. Up to this point, Elan's father has also been masterminding a number of plots against the Order, all in the name of making himself the Ultimate Villain in the Ultimate Story to be remembered: he's the all-powerful tyrant who controls life and death for his subjects, extremely cruel and capricious to innocent bystanders, killing people near and dear to Elan just because they get in the way of the story, and in league with several other monsters and villains under his control...just like Chuck.
While nothing official's been said by the Supernatural team, the similarities are too strong to simply be coincidence, especialy since the OOTS arc in question was back in 2014, with the Supernatural final season in 2020.
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[[WMG: Chuck's other works.]]
He mentions how he was working on a book series called ''Revolution'', a clear nod to [[Series/{{Revolution}} the show]] of the same name also created by Creator/EricKripke. So maybe Kripke's other works like ''Film/Boogeyman2005'', ''Series/{{Timeless}}'', and ''Series/TheBoys2019'' are also book series Chuck has written, or at least co-wrote. Which would make the scene in ''The Boys'' where Billy Butcher goes on a misotheistic rant about how if God exists, he would have to be evil pretty ironic.
He mentions how he was working on a book series called ''Revolution'', a clear nod to [[Series/{{Revolution}} the show]] of the same name also created by Creator/EricKripke. So maybe Kripke's other works like ''Film/Boogeyman2005'', ''Series/{{Timeless}}'', and ''Series/TheBoys2019'' are also book series Chuck has written, or at least co-wrote. Which would make the scene in ''The Boys'' where Billy Butcher goes on a misotheistic rant about how if God exists, he would have to be evil pretty ironic.
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[[WMG: The [[Anime/{{Supernatural}} anime]] is one of Chuck's alternate worlds.]]
Pretty self-explanatory, seeing as how it's not a one-to-one adaptation (different monster lore, more RuleOfCool action, Azazel being a FallenAngel rather than a former human soul who had the humanity tortured out, Azazel also being [[CompositeCharacter composited]] with Lucifer).
Pretty self-explanatory, seeing as how it's not a one-to-one adaptation (different monster lore, more RuleOfCool action, Azazel being a FallenAngel rather than a former human soul who had the humanity tortured out, Azazel also being [[CompositeCharacter composited]] with Lucifer).
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[[WMG: Where Chuck ended up after the finale.]]
He runs into the nearest town, babbling and ranting about how he's God and the Winchesters and his grandson stole his powers. Obviously, people are skeptical, seeing as God is supposed to be all-powerful, not this half-insane rando who suddenly ran in, even if he does have a nice white suit. Thus, Chuck is locked up in a mental institution for the rest of his days, with his arrogant refusal to get any mental help and there being no known relatives (his kids aren't human and people don't know Jack is Lucifer's son) keeping him trapped there.
He runs into the nearest town, babbling and ranting about how he's God and the Winchesters and his grandson stole his powers. Obviously, people are skeptical, seeing as God is supposed to be all-powerful, not this half-insane rando who suddenly ran in, even if he does have a nice white suit. Thus, Chuck is locked up in a mental institution for the rest of his days, with his arrogant refusal to get any mental help and there being no known relatives (his kids aren't human and people don't know Jack is Lucifer's son) keeping him trapped there.
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[[WMG: Apocalypse world Michael is the devil of that world]]
*In earlier seasons it's said that in the war between Michael and Lucifer, if Michael wins he brings paradise for the survivors. Apocalypse world is certainly no paradise. My theory is that in this world Michael was the one to take the mark and become evil, eventually becoming that worlds devil. While the Lucifer of apocalypse world was actually the good guy in that universe.
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There are so many supernatural entities in the show (along with a mildly organized network of people hunting them) that it feels strange the world at large hasn't caught wise about it, specially in countries with far more population density where abandoned warehouses don't abound so much. There is also the implicit message that many immigrants brought their traditions and monsters from all around the globe when they came to the US. So maybe the earliest American hunters were so trigger-happy and unable to cope with so much different cultures that they killed ''everything'' supernatural, malevolent or benevolent, and thus the forces of good like minor gods and spirits that might be in charge of evil pest control in other countries are simply extinct in the US.
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There are so many supernatural entities in the show (along with a mildly organized network of people hunting them) that it feels strange the world at large hasn't caught wise about it, specially in countries with far more population density where abandoned warehouses don't abound so much. There is also the implicit message that many immigrants brought their traditions and monsters from all around the globe when they came to the US. So maybe the earliest American hunters were so trigger-happy and unable to cope with so much different cultures that they killed ''everything'' supernatural, malevolent or benevolent, and thus the forces of good like minor gods and spirits that might be in charge of evil pest control in other countries are simply extinct in the US.US.
[[WMG: The Impala is a blessed/magical object]]
Chuck himself said that the Impala was ''the most important object in the universe.'' No matter how badly the Impala gets wrecked, Dean can always fix it good as new. Either Dean is the best backyard mechanic the world has ever seen, or does the Impala subtly repair itself while Dean is working on it, so subtly that Dean doesn't notice and attributes it to his own considerable skills? It's mentioned that Dean makes sure the Army man in the ashtray and the Legos in the heating vents stay in place every time he works on the Impala. Are they part of the magic? Did two little boys who played in the car, lived in the car, considered the Impala their home, carved their initials into the car, and believed in magic, somehow make the Impala magical itself?
[[WMG: The Impala is a blessed/magical object]]
Chuck himself said that the Impala was ''the most important object in the universe.'' No matter how badly the Impala gets wrecked, Dean can always fix it good as new. Either Dean is the best backyard mechanic the world has ever seen, or does the Impala subtly repair itself while Dean is working on it, so subtly that Dean doesn't notice and attributes it to his own considerable skills? It's mentioned that Dean makes sure the Army man in the ashtray and the Legos in the heating vents stay in place every time he works on the Impala. Are they part of the magic? Did two little boys who played in the car, lived in the car, considered the Impala their home, carved their initials into the car, and believed in magic, somehow make the Impala magical itself?
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He was a nephilim created directly by Chuck, He realised after he created the universe that death was needed, so He created Death using the same technique he used to create the Archangels, but instead of using purely His own power, He used a mixture of both His and Amaras essences, essentially making him an Ur-Nephilim, he ''has'' been around since the universe was created, he has jus tbeen alive so long that he doesn't know how old he is, and upon his death that sliver of Darkness essence kind of just hangs, and absorbs itself into the first reaper who dies, basically transferring all his memories into the next Death, hence why Billie has a kind of HazyFeelTurn after becoming Death, she knows all that Death knew.
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He was a nephilim created directly by Chuck, He realised after he created the universe that death was needed, so He created Death using the same technique he used to create the Archangels, but instead of using purely His own power, He used a mixture of both His and Amaras essences, essentially making him an Ur-Nephilim, he ''has'' been around since the universe was created, he has jus tbeen alive so long that he doesn't know how old he is, and upon his death that sliver of Darkness essence kind of just hangs, and absorbs itself into the first reaper who dies, basically transferring all his memories into the next Death, hence why Billie has a kind of HazyFeelTurn after becoming Death, she knows all that Death knew.knew.
[[WMG: So much supernatural in America]]
There are so many supernatural entities in the show (along with a mildly organized network of people hunting them) that it feels strange the world at large hasn't caught wise about it, specially in countries with far more population density where abandoned warehouses don't abound so much. There is also the implicit message that many immigrants brought their traditions and monsters from all around the globe when they came to the US. So maybe the earliest American hunters were so trigger-happy and unable to cope with so much different cultures that they killed ''everything'' supernatural, malevolent or benevolent, and thus the forces of good like minor gods and spirits that might be in charge of evil pest control in other countries are simply extinct in the US.
[[WMG: So much supernatural in America]]
There are so many supernatural entities in the show (along with a mildly organized network of people hunting them) that it feels strange the world at large hasn't caught wise about it, specially in countries with far more population density where abandoned warehouses don't abound so much. There is also the implicit message that many immigrants brought their traditions and monsters from all around the globe when they came to the US. So maybe the earliest American hunters were so trigger-happy and unable to cope with so much different cultures that they killed ''everything'' supernatural, malevolent or benevolent, and thus the forces of good like minor gods and spirits that might be in charge of evil pest control in other countries are simply extinct in the US.
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* Alternatively, the boys die and return to the Film/TheMatrix-esque Heaven as seen in Dark Side of The Moon. This has the benefit of it being a bittersweet ending: yes, they are reliving some of their greatest memories, but it's all fake, all an illusion.
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* Alternatively, the boys die and return to the Film/TheMatrix-esque Franchise/TheMatrix-esque Heaven as seen in Dark Side of The Moon. This has the benefit of it being a bittersweet ending: yes, they are reliving some of their greatest memories, but it's all fake, all an illusion.
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* It could also be that Castiel's body was just uniquely suitable for Lucifer at this point as it's a purely angelic vessel without a human soul in it as well; the only other vessel to meet such criteria is Anna, and there we have the even-more-exceptional circumstances of her temporary humanity.
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It'll involve the Men of Letters being an OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness who will hold a combination of TrialOfTheMysticalJury and KangarooCourt for Sam and Dean. Various characters will testify for or against them, but the final verdict will inevitably be that the Winchesters are guilty of doing more harm than good. Then either some evil force will threaten to destroy the Men of Letters and they'll pull an EntitledBastard and ask the Winchesters to save them, or they'll be revealed as a DeadlyDecadentCourt and the Winchesters will bring them down. Neither Chuck nor Amara will show up because it's a human affair and using them too much would cheapen them.
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It'll involve the Men of Letters being an OmniscientCouncilOfVagueness who will hold a combination of TrialOfTheMysticalJury and KangarooCourt for Sam and Dean. Various characters will testify for or against them, but the final verdict will inevitably be that the Winchesters are guilty of doing more harm than good. Then either some evil force will threaten to destroy the Men of Letters and they'll pull an EntitledBastard and ask the Winchesters to save them, or they'll be revealed as a DeadlyDecadentCourt DecadentCourt and the Winchesters will bring them down. Neither Chuck nor Amara will show up because it's a human affair and using them too much would cheapen them.
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->''And if I claim to be a wise man,''
->''Well, it surely means that I don't know''
->-'''Kansas, "Wayward Son"'''
->''Well, it surely means that I don't know''
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->''Well, it
It surely means that I don't
->-'''Kansas, "Wayward Son"'''
-->-- '''Music/{{Kansas}}''', "Carry On Wayward Son"
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[[spoiler: confirmed, but it happens half way through the final episode, doesn't involve Jessica, and [[TheHeroDies involves Dean being]] KilledOffForReal.]]
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* [[spoiler: confirmed, but it happens half way through the final episode, doesn't involve Jessica, and [[TheHeroDies involves Dean being]] KilledOffForReal.]]
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* [[spoiler: confirmed that they both die. No voice over from Chuck though.]]
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[[spoiler: confirmed, but it happens half way through the final episode, doesn't involve Jessica, and [[TheHeroDies involves Dean being]] KilledOffForReal.]]
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* Jossed.
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* [[spoiler:Confirmed for the Dean dying part, sadly.]]
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** Not sure if that was their actual plan (I'm ''really'' behind on the show) but confirmed in the penultimate episode of the series. Sam and Dean strip Chuck of his powers and give them to Jack. Making him the new God.
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While Mary's wound Azazel left was infected with paranormal energy, it created poltergeist and won't rest until all of the others who came into the house after Mary's death are ''dead''.
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While Mary's wound Azazel left was infected with paranormal energy, it created a poltergeist and won't rest until all of the others who came into the house after Mary's death are ''dead''.
''dead''. As Mary dies, her death caused the house to become a magnet for all paranormal energy.
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[[WMG:Azazel is the one who created the paranormal energy.]]
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[[WMG:Azazel is the one who created the paranormal energy.energy in the house.]]
* When Azazel arrived at Mary's house, he left a wound behind on her. As it gets infected, Azazel created a bunch of paranormal energy in the house.
* When Azazel arrived at Mary's house, he left a wound behind on her. As it gets infected, Azazel created a bunch of paranormal energy in the house.
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[[WMG:The fire was paranormal energy that attracted a poltergeist.]]
According to Missouri, Azazel came into Mary's house, slashed her stomach, pinned her to the ceiling and then set the whole house on fire. The fire represents the paranormal energy in the house that attracted an invisible, telekinetic poltergeist.
[[WMG:The poltergeist was born out of Mary's wound.]]
Since Azazel killed Mary and left behind an infected wound, it created a poltergeist, but the paranormal energy is what ''actually'' attracted a poltergeist.
[[WMG:Mary's wound gets infected with paranormal energy.]]
While Mary's wound Azazel left was infected with paranormal energy, it created poltergeist and won't rest until all of the others who came into the house after Mary's death are ''dead''.
[[WMG:Azazel is the one who created the paranormal energy.]]
When Azazel arrived at Mary's house, he left a wound behind on her. As it gets infected, Azazel created a bunch of paranormal energy in the house.
According to Missouri, Azazel came into Mary's house, slashed her stomach, pinned her to the ceiling and then set the whole house on fire. The fire represents the paranormal energy in the house that attracted an invisible, telekinetic poltergeist.
[[WMG:The poltergeist was born out of Mary's wound.]]
Since Azazel killed Mary and left behind an infected wound, it created a poltergeist, but the paranormal energy is what ''actually'' attracted a poltergeist.
[[WMG:Mary's wound gets infected with paranormal energy.]]
While Mary's wound Azazel left was infected with paranormal energy, it created poltergeist and won't rest until all of the others who came into the house after Mary's death are ''dead''.
[[WMG:Azazel is the one who created the paranormal energy.]]
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[[WMG:In "[[SupernaturalS01E09Home Home]]", The fire was paranormal energy that attracted a poltergeist.]]
* According to Missouri, Azazel came into Mary's house, slashed her stomach, pinned her to the ceiling and then set the whole house on fire. The fire represents the paranormal energy in the house that attracted an invisible, telekinetic poltergeist.
[[WMG:In the same episode above, The poltergeist was born out of Mary's wound.]]
* Since Azazel killed Mary and left behind an infected wound, it created a poltergeist, but the paranormal energy is what ''actually'' attracted a poltergeist.
[[WMG:Mary's wound gets infected with paranormal energy.]]
* While Mary's wound Azazel left was infected with paranormal energy, it created poltergeist and won't rest until all of the others who came into the house after Mary's death are ''dead''.
[[WMG:Azazel is the one who created the paranormal energy.]]
* When Azazel arrived at Mary's house, he left a wound behind on her. As it gets infected, Azazel created a bunch of paranormal energy in the house.
* According to Missouri, Azazel came into Mary's house, slashed her stomach, pinned her to the ceiling and then set the whole house on fire. The fire represents the paranormal energy in the house that attracted an invisible, telekinetic poltergeist.
[[WMG:In the same episode above, The poltergeist was born out of Mary's wound.]]
* Since Azazel killed Mary and left behind an infected wound, it created a poltergeist, but the paranormal energy is what ''actually'' attracted a poltergeist.
[[WMG:Mary's wound gets infected with paranormal energy.]]
* While Mary's wound Azazel left was infected with paranormal energy, it created poltergeist and won't rest until all of the others who came into the house after Mary's death are ''dead''.
[[WMG:Azazel is the one who created the paranormal energy.]]
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* According to Missouri, Azazel came into Mary's house, slashed her stomach, pinned her to the ceiling and then set the whole house on fire. The fire represents the paranormal energy in the house that attracted an invisible, telekinetic poltergeist.
[[WMG:In the same episode above, The poltergeist was born out of Mary's wound.]]
* Since Azazel killed Mary and left behind an infected wound, it created a poltergeist, but the paranormal energy is what ''actually'' attracted a poltergeist.
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* While Mary's wound Azazel left was infected with paranormal energy, it created poltergeist and won't rest until all of the others who came into the house after Mary's death are ''dead''.
[[WMG:Azazel is the one who created the paranormal energy.]]
* When Azazel arrived at Mary's house, he left a wound behind on her. As it gets infected, Azazel created a bunch of paranormal energy in the house.
* According to Missouri, Azazel came into Mary's house, slashed her stomach, pinned her to the ceiling and then set the whole house on fire. The fire represents the paranormal energy in the house that attracted an invisible, telekinetic poltergeist.
[[WMG:In the same episode above, The poltergeist was born out of Mary's wound.]]
* Since Azazel killed Mary and left behind an infected wound, it created a poltergeist, but the paranormal energy is what ''actually'' attracted a poltergeist.
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* While Mary's wound Azazel left was infected with paranormal energy, it created poltergeist and won't rest until all of the others who came into the house after Mary's death are ''dead''.
[[WMG:Azazel is the one who created the paranormal energy.]]
* When Azazel arrived at Mary's house, he left a wound behind on her. As it gets infected, Azazel created a bunch of paranormal energy in the house.
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[[WMG: Chuck is trying to escape his own "real ending".]]
God's original plan was a form of pantheism, the Creator becoming the Creation, as all his light would pass into his work. But he knew that when the time would come to sacrifice the last remaining piece of himself, his last shred of ego, he would have become cowardly and cruel. That's the real reason why Chuck has a book in Death's library, which even he can't read or oppose.
