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[[WMG: The Evil Queen is Mother Gothel from ''Disney/{{Tangled}}]]
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[[WMG: The Evil Queen is Mother Gothel from ''Disney/{{Tangled}}]]''Disney/{{Tangled}}'']]
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** Supported by what he says to her in the opening of "''One Song''" - "''Now that I've found you''," possibly implying that he's been looking for her since they were kids. Maybe no one knew what became of the princess once she stopped appearing in public and became confined inside the castle as a scullery maid.
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[[WMG: The Magic Mirror is actually [[EvilliousChronicles one of the four Mirrors of Lucifenia]]]]
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[[WMG: The Magic Mirror is actually [[EvilliousChronicles [[Franchise/EvilliousChronicles one of the four Mirrors of Lucifenia]]]]
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Snow White sings like [[Series/AllInTheFamily Edith Bunker]] is flat as a boat, dresses like she just came out of a primary color convention, and uses clown paint for makeup. But she never holds a grudge against a soul, not even when people repeatedly try to kill her. She is the embodiment of forgiveness and sympathy, even to creatures that look like the boogeyman's grandmother. ''That'' is why the Queen isn't the fairest, because she can't compete with that through looks alone.
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Snow White sings like [[Series/AllInTheFamily Edith Bunker]] Bunker]], is flat as a boat, dresses like she just came out of a primary color convention, and uses clown paint for makeup. But she never holds a grudge against a soul, not even when people repeatedly try to kill her. She is the embodiment of forgiveness and sympathy, even to creatures that look like the boogeyman's grandmother. ''That'' is why the Queen isn't the fairest, because she can't compete with that through looks alone.
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** Also there's Snow White hoping "''for the one I love to find me today''". Not ''someone'' for her to love or the one she ''will'' love, but the one she already ''does'' love. As in maybe she already knew Ferdinand/Florian/Frederick/Buckethead.
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** Supported by what he says to her in the opening of "''One Song''" - "''Now that I've found you''," possibly implying that he's been looking for her since they were kids. Maybe no one knew what became of the princess once she stopped appearing in public and became confined inside the castle as a scullery maid.
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[[WMG: The Queen is TheDreaded by her people.]]
The fact the dwarves automatically know how bad the Queen is, despite being in the middle of the woods away from civilization, is a bad sign. It is probably indicative of how bad the Queen's rule over the kingdom is, ''especially'' if the skeletons in her dungeons are any indication.
The fact the dwarves automatically know how bad the Queen is, despite being in the middle of the woods away from civilization, is a bad sign. It is probably indicative of how bad the Queen's rule over the kingdom is, ''especially'' if the skeletons in her dungeons are any indication.
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** To avoid [[{{Squick}} Squicking]] anyone out, the prince is probably under eighteen, too.
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** To avoid [[{{Squick}} Squicking]] anyone out, the prince is probably under eighteen, too. He actually does look about sixteen years old, judging by his boyish face and frame.
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Snow White sings like [[AllInTheFamily Edith Bunker]] is flat as a boat, dresses like she just came out of a primary color convention, and uses clown paint for makeup. But she never holds a grudge against a soul, not even when people repeatedly try to kill her. She is the embodiment of forgiveness and sympathy, even to creatures that look like the boogeyman's grandmother. ''That'' is why the Queen isn't the fairest, because she can't compete with that through looks alone.
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Snow White sings like [[AllInTheFamily [[Series/AllInTheFamily Edith Bunker]] is flat as a boat, dresses like she just came out of a primary color convention, and uses clown paint for makeup. But she never holds a grudge against a soul, not even when people repeatedly try to kill her. She is the embodiment of forgiveness and sympathy, even to creatures that look like the boogeyman's grandmother. ''That'' is why the Queen isn't the fairest, because she can't compete with that through looks alone.
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** Played with in a "Fractured Fairy Tale" retelling of Snow White on ''WesternAnimation/RockyAndBullwinkle'': the mirror tells the queen, "Snow White is the fairest, but you're the prettiest...she never lies, cheats or steals. Now what could be fairer than that?"
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[[WMG: Snow White's hut in the Disney movie is part of TheVillage]]
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[[WMG: Snow White's hut in the Disney movie is part of TheVillage]]Film/TheVillage]]
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*It would be nice… But how to be sure ? There should be a fancomic about that.
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**Jossed, as the Magic Mirror appeared many times in various TV shows.
*There is a official-but-not-canon novel named ''Wicked, tale of a queen'' (I know it by Disney Wiki) which shows that the Magic Mirror is the spirit of the queen's FATHER.
*There is a official-but-not-canon novel named ''Wicked, tale of a queen'' (I know it by Disney Wiki) which shows that the Magic Mirror is the spirit of the queen's FATHER.
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**It depends. In some versions of these legends, the demon is trapped in the device he use and if you destroy the device, he disappears.
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*More or less confirmed. In comic stories, it is shown that she didn't die, but that the lightning "froze" the spell and she cannot get back to normal. Then, she is unable to enter her former castle, and lives now in a house near the Forest as a witch.
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*Half-jossed. It remains possible that they are outcast form a larger community, but there is a canon explanation of why they dig diamonds in comics: they do it just to admire them, and once they have well seen them, they put them back in the mine and they do it again ! This was given in some comics.
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And it's not the mirror itself who talks, it's the Demon of Pride.
And it's not the mirror itself who talks, it's the Demon of Pride.
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[[WMG: The Evil Queen is Mother Gothel from Rapunzel]]
Their young forms are near identical, and they're both obsessed with beauty. The queen let herself get old to disguise herself and poison Snow. After she got thrown off the mountain, she survived but gave up on Snow. She limped away to her flower and rejuvenated herself. She cackled to herself since she knew this was how to get back at Snow White, outliving her by centuries.
Their young forms are near identical, and they're both obsessed with beauty. The queen let herself get old to disguise herself and poison Snow. After she got thrown off the mountain, she survived but gave up on Snow. She limped away to her flower and rejuvenated herself. She cackled to herself since she knew this was how to get back at Snow White, outliving her by centuries.
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[[WMG: Queen Snow White makes the Huntsman her Captain of the Guard for his ethical judgment in sparing her life.]]
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[[WMG: The Prince and Snow White knew each other as children.]]
If they had music lessons together as part of their nations' alliance, it would explain how he could join her song so easily. She hadn't seen him since her father died and she was forced to become a servant, which is why she runs upstairs, embarrassed about her rags.
[[WMG: Queen Snow White makes the Huntsman her Captain of the Guard for his ethical judgment in sparing her life.]]
If they had music lessons together as part of their nations' alliance, it would explain how he could join her song so easily. She hadn't seen him since her father died and she was forced to become a servant, which is why she runs upstairs, embarrassed about her rags.
[[WMG: Queen Snow White makes the Huntsman her Captain of the Guard for his ethical judgment in sparing her life.]]
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[[WMG: The Magic Mirror is actually the queen's insecurities speaking to her.]]
Physical attractiveness is subjective, so it would be impossible for an omniscient Mirror to tell the Queen who is the most beautiful. So the Mirror can't be an omniscient being. But what if the Mirror isn't really sentient at all? Think about it: A woman obsessed with being beautiful looks into a mirror, and then believes that other women are more attractive than her. It's not the Mirror that's telling her Snow White is fairer than the Queen--she's talking to her own ''reflection!'' She keeps telling herself that there are other, more attractive women in the world, but no matter how many women she has killed, she never feels like she is good enough. That's why the Mirror doesn't just tell her that she is the fairest in order to stop the carnage. There is no Magic Mirror, just a very insecure and psychologically unstable Queen.
Physical attractiveness is subjective, so it would be impossible for an omniscient Mirror to tell the Queen who is the most beautiful. So the Mirror can't be an omniscient being. But what if the Mirror isn't really sentient at all? Think about it: A woman obsessed with being beautiful looks into a mirror, and then believes that other women are more attractive than her. It's not the Mirror that's telling her Snow White is fairer than the Queen--she's talking to her own ''reflection!'' She keeps telling herself that there are other, more attractive women in the world, but no matter how many women she has killed, she never feels like she is good enough. That's why the Mirror doesn't just tell her that she is the fairest in order to stop the carnage. There is no Magic Mirror, just a very insecure and psychologically unstable Queen.
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** [[FridgeHorror Then what does that suggest about the Queen?]] Both [[BigBad Melkor]][[MeaningfulRename /]][[SatanicArchetype Morgoth]] and [[DragonAscendant Sauron]] could shapeshift, though they both [[ShapeshifterModeLock ended up stuck in]] [[ObviouslyEvil ugly, evil-looking forms]] after different points in time. And Valar and Maiar had NoBiologicalSex, so while both Morgoth and Sauron were spiritually male, it wouldn't be impossible for either to pull a GenderBender.
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[[WMG: The seven dwarfs are outcasts from a larger dwarf community.]]
Basically a WMG to explain why they're digging for all those diamonds. The seven dwarfs were originally part of a larger, Tolkienesque dwarf clan (maybe somewhere deep in the mountains), but got kicked out for not being ProudWarriorRaceGuy-y enough. None of them really seems like the "warrior" sort (even Grumpy is initially too scared to confront the "monster" in their beds), after all. Despondent, they [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits banded together]] and traveled the land, until they came to a kingdom populated mostly by humans, where the hills carried countless diamonds. Here, they set up shop, and began to mine for jewels day in and day out, hoping to one day dig up enough to impress their way back into dwarf society (after all, the ''second''-most respected thing for most dwarf clans happens to be lots and lots of shiny stuff, preferably earned by hard toil...)
Basically a WMG to explain why they're digging for all those diamonds. The seven dwarfs were originally part of a larger, Tolkienesque dwarf clan (maybe somewhere deep in the mountains), but got kicked out for not being ProudWarriorRaceGuy-y enough. None of them really seems like the "warrior" sort (even Grumpy is initially too scared to confront the "monster" in their beds), after all. Despondent, they [[RagtagBunchOfMisfits banded together]] and traveled the land, until they came to a kingdom populated mostly by humans, where the hills carried countless diamonds. Here, they set up shop, and began to mine for jewels day in and day out, hoping to one day dig up enough to impress their way back into dwarf society (after all, the ''second''-most respected thing for most dwarf clans happens to be lots and lots of shiny stuff, preferably earned by hard toil...)
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** This is somewhat supported by the fact that out of all the dwarfs, Dopey is the only one who looks for a kiss on the lips from Snow White (all the others were content with a kiss on top of the head). Human hormones kicking in, perhaps?
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** This is somewhat supported by the fact that out of all the dwarfs, Dopey is the only one who looks for a kiss on the lips from Snow White (all the others were content with a kiss on top of the head). Human hormones kicking in, perhaps?
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* Alternatively, this could be Diablo in his early years, going by how skittish he seems around the Queen. Presumably after she dies, he leaves the castle, joins Maleficent, and under her tutelage and care becomes the confident and helpful raven as we know him in [[SleepingBeauty Sleeping Beauty]].
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* Alternatively, this could be Diablo in his early years, going by how skittish he seems around the Queen. Presumably after she dies, he leaves the castle, joins Maleficent, and under her tutelage and care becomes the confident and helpful raven as we know him in [[SleepingBeauty Sleeping Beauty]].
''Disney/SleepingBeauty''.
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[[WMG: The Queen's pet raven is the same as [[SleepingBeauty Maleficent's]].]]
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*Alternatively, this could be Diablo in his early years, going by how skittish he seems around the Queen. Presumably after she dies, he leaves the castle, joins Maleficent, and under her tutelage and care becomes the confident and helpful raven as we know him in [[SleepingBeauty Sleeping Beauty]].
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* Maybe they're ALL dead, and the ending is a symbolic representation of Snow White being reunited with her loved ones (the dwarfs, the prince, maybe her parents once they reach that cloud castle). For all we know time might work differently in heaven/wherever, so theoretically the dwarfs and prince might've all died years later, but for Snow White no time had passed at all.
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[[WMG: The Queen's pet raven is the same as [[SleepingBeauty Maleficent's]].]]
Either it's spying on one villain for the other, or it's acting as communication, delivering messages or spells or the like.
Either it's spying on one villain for the other, or it's acting as communication, delivering messages or spells or the like.
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[[WMG: The Queen's transformation was permanent]]
Had the Queen successfully killed Snow White, her victory would have been a [[PyrrhicVictory Pyrrhic]] one. She would have gone back to her castle and found herself unable to undo the transformation. Though she'd have killed Snow White, she still would not be the fairest of them all, as she was now permanently transformed into an ugly old woman. This would cause her to have a VillainousBreakdown and possibly either commit suicide, or try to kill each successive person whom the mirror deems "fairest."
Had the Queen successfully killed Snow White, her victory would have been a [[PyrrhicVictory Pyrrhic]] one. She would have gone back to her castle and found herself unable to undo the transformation. Though she'd have killed Snow White, she still would not be the fairest of them all, as she was now permanently transformed into an ugly old woman. This would cause her to have a VillainousBreakdown and possibly either commit suicide, or try to kill each successive person whom the mirror deems "fairest."
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** This would have been confirmed in drafts for a Seven Dwarfs spinoff film that would reveal the Queen and Magic Mirror's origins.
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** With that hair, she might be Melian, Luthien, or Arwen (Galadriel's granddaughter) - but not Galadriel (who is very blonde).
** She is Varda, who is called Snow White in the elves' songs. In the end, the Prince, Manwe, takes her back to his castle in the sky.
** She is Varda, who is called Snow White in the elves' songs. In the end, the Prince, Manwe, takes her back to his castle in the sky.
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** With that hair, she might be Melian, Luthien, Lúthien, or Arwen (Galadriel's granddaughter) - but not Galadriel (who is very blonde).
** She is Varda, who is called Snow White in the elves' songs. In the end, the Prince,Manwe, Manwë, takes her back to his castle in the sky.
** She is Varda, who is called Snow White in the elves' songs. In the end, the Prince,
