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The notes mention a wife pregnant with a child, and the behavior described matches John Kramer. Even though it is written that he is 34 in 1998, the doctor could have made a typographical error when he meant to write 44. According to ''Saw IV,'' John Kramer was 52 when he died in 2006, so the math adds up if it's a typo.

* Nurse Cleaver, who believed that patients would get worse and riot despite medication.

The Collector was inspired by Jigsaw's traps.

It would make a great dramatic plot point and revelation to his wife and daughter.

[[Jigsaw kept Gordon and Tapp captive for nearly a year.]]
The first Saw movie took place November 2004. "Full Diclosure Report: Piecing Together Jigsaw" takes place the year after. In that in-universe documentary, it is stated that Lawrence Gordon and David Tapp were still missing. In the first ''Saw'' video game, Tapp returns home after being tested by Jigsaw in October 2005. The public knew at that time that Tapp was no longer missing since he freed Jigsaw's other test subjects from the asylum, which was mentioned in newspapers. Maybe Dr. Gordon was the one who put the key in Tapp's heart. He was, after all, initially intended to appear in the game. This could have been the test that set him free. He may have been reluctant to accept John's philosophy right after the events of the first film, but maybe he grew to accept them as he was kept alive by John for eleven months, possibly due to Stockholm Syndrome. Helping John with the tests in the video game proved that John could trust him, and Lawrence agreed to help him with subsequent tests.

The 2005 calendar in ''Saw II: Flesh & Blood'' resembles the 2002 calendar. In the ''Saw'' universe, the Year of the Pig falls on 2004.

[[The video games were designed by Amanda Young.]]

[[The ''Saw'' universe's calendars are different.]]

Thus explaining why they are so difficult and seemingly impossible to live through.

Traumatized by her experience and angry at all the survivors saying they learned from their experience, Simone starts abducting good people and putting them in death traps, or maybe just using her job to actively and deliberately ruin people's lives, as a why of defying Jigsaw's message and belief system.

Okay, so David, the protagonist from the short film, is played by Leigh Whannel. So is Adam. Obviously, they're twins, or else the Saw universe involves clones, which seems unlikely considering it's a realistic fiction series. Now, in a [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SycVa09G4do deleted scene from Saw]], Adam says that he has a family, supporting the idea that he has a brother at all. Adam also says that he doesn't see his family much. Interesting... Think about it. Every other person who has been in the reverse bear trap helped Jigsaw. Why would David be an exception? In conclusion, Adam met his demise at the hands of his brother that he was so disconnected from that he didn't know the story of the man who tried to kill him. And that's why...

Both started out as toymakers, but then a tragedy occurred, turning them away from their child-friendly origins into more nefarious avenues via morally-ambiguous engineering projects. However, while DrSteel may have started off a bit further [[MadScientist off-kilter]], Jigsaw had the brain tumor (see above) that wrecked his moral compass, turning him evil. Meaning Jigsaw is the ''evil'' version of DrSteel, who was a MadScientist. Jigsaw turned to deathtraps, DrSteel turned to music and world conquest.

Afterwards, the Jigsaw philosophy slowly gains recruits, eventually being a considerable cult and even taking over small villages. After a century, it's one of the most powerful forces in America and has outlets in other countries. A little while later, and soon there are Jigsaws EVERYWHERE (deverywhere, deverywhere). Every household in America gets tested (gets tested, gets tested). It becomes bigger than hula hoops (hula hoops, hula hoops). Eventually it is the leading cause of death in the world and not a single person goes through their life without undergoing a Jigsaw trap. Of course some would prefer being DrivenToSuicide than to endure the traps. Quality of life declines and people forget what they knew, as slowly the Jigsaw become a seperate, more powerful class than the Non-Jigsaw. They're worshipped as gods, and scientific knowledge shifts to being exclusively the domain of the Jigsaw, as the Jigsaw do research into new traps and execute the Non-Jigsaw scientists for stupid reasons. Eventually the Jigsaw create AM from IHaveNoMouthAndIMustScream, who kills the Jigsaw and most of the Non-Jigsaw, but still tries to perform his function...

[[WMG:When he first created the franchise, Leigh Whannell was inspired by the first 7 volumes of the YuGiOh manga.]]
Think about it. Both Jisaw and Atem like to play ''games'' with their victims in order to show them the error of their ways. If the victim loses, they get a KarmicDeath (or karmic punishment in YuGiOh's case). The only real difference is that Atem is an AntiHero while Jisaw is an actual villain...well that and Atem has supernatural powers.

Okay, when we last saw him he was bleeding to death, and Jigsaw was sure to catch up with him anyway. But we didn't see him die -- and this series ''loves'' to show the victims' deaths, even if it's a couple of movies later. Besides, they keep making little references to him. Nah, Lawrence is still alive, and they'll bring him back for ''Saw VI'' to bring the series full circle. (His absence since the first film is easy to explain: he's been in hospital recovering from his massive injuries.)
* Full circle? You mean he'll become the next Jigsaw?

* Alternatively, The Jigsaw and their ideology of rehabilitation ends up in the hands of The Party from ''NineteenEightyFour''. The Party successfully uses the Jigsaw rehabilitation methods and John Kramer's spying / surveillance abilities (well, after all, how can you have an IronicHell without a knowledge of people's personalities)? to design the Ministry of Love, and the purpose is twisted so that the purpose of the traps are not to make people appreciate life, but to make people appreciate Big Brother.

[[WMG: Jigsaw is just an insane version of Arthur Schopenhauer]]
This is based on the fact that Schopenhauer's philosophy is all about the abolition of the will to live. Jigsaw's just doing the same thing, but instead of philosophy he uses pain....

As the series unfolds, we discover that John Kramer had cancer in his brain, specifically in the frontal lobes. It is widely believed that the frontal lobes are responsible for one's moral compass, and damage to that area can cause drastic changes in personality, turning a perfectly decent man into a complete JerkAss (look up Phineas Gage for an example). So, while his master plan for reforming humanity one ungrateful bastard at a time did have noble roots (albeit those triggered by anger), as the cancer progressed it started affecting his personality and morality, turning a WellIntentionedExtremist into a KnightTemplar.

* Saw and the short film that come before it don't take place in the same universe.
** SILENCE NONBELIEVER

[[WMG: Saw VIII will consist of Dr. Gordon and David working together to continue the Jigsaw legacy.]]

** Look closer: Hoffman's Reverse Beartrap is NOT a replica of Amanda's. Specifically, the mouthpiece he used to break his hand is reinforced and STUDDED. This troper's impression was that Hoffman OVERTHOUGHT the trap, once his hand was shattered (and, ostensibly literally and metaphorically, his ability to hurt others), all he had to do was flip the switch on the side to turn it off. He let himself panic, missed the obvious out, and ended up with an unforseen out and a particularly gruesom Glasgow Grin.
*** [[http://www.demonfm.co.uk/?q=node/596 An interview with Patrick Melton]] confirmed that there was supposed to be a key for the back of Hoffman's [=RBT2=], but Jill took it with her, meaning she left him for dead. Whether this is what John wanted or not is unknown, but we do know that she wanted him dead, so he didn't overthink the trap.

[[WMG: Jigsaw is really Kevin McCallister from HomeAlone]]

** This has been taken to it's [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOSuWfJeNO8 logical conclution]]

[[WMG: Jigsaw is a Time Lord]]

He just regenerated to look like Lawrence! His foot being prosthetic is just a ruse to keep him hidden.

Or, his fake foot is his TARDIS.

Think about it. Both Jisaw and Atem like to play ''games'' with their victims in order to show them the error of their ways. If the victim loses, they get a KarmicDeath (or karmic punishment in YuGiOh's case). The only real difference is that Atem is an AntiHero while Jisaw is an actual villain...well that and Atem has supernatural powers.

[[spoiler:When he first created the franchise, Leigh Whannell was inspired by the first 7 volumes of the YuGiOh manga.]]

I haven't gotten up to ''Saw The Final Chapter'' yet, so I acknowledge that there may be something within the movie itself that contradicts this. However, I think that Bobby's traps were not created by John (who was implied to have finished his last traps in ''Saw VI''), nor by Hoffman (who was otherwise preoccupied with a RoaringRampageOfRevenge). They are, in fact, the creation of [[spoiler:Dr. Gordon]]. The logic behind this surrounds the lesson he himself learned: Empathy. Bobby was a charismatic self-help guru, but he was only using Jigsaw survivors to make himself some cash. He wasn't tested ''just'' because he was posing as a fake victim, he was tested because he was posing as a fake ''healer'' on top of it. By running Bobby through his tests, he experienced exactly what any Jigsaw victim would, leaving him to better empathize with the people he was claiming to want to help. To take this even further, the ultimate goal of making Bobby a true victim is to make him better able to stabilize other survivors, help them realize Jigsaw's message, and become more appreciative of their life after the trauma of a trap. This could also improve the recruiting potential for bringing survivors in the Jigsaw world, as they're less likely to have been pushed as far as Amanda or Hoffman were with proper counseling.

* I haven't gotten up to ''Saw The Final Chapter'' yet, so I acknowledge that there may be something within the movie itself that contradicts this. However, I think that Bobby's traps were not created by John (who was implied to have finished his last traps in ''Saw VI''), nor by Hoffman (who was otherwise preoccupied with a RoaringRampageOfRevenge). They are, in fact, the creation of [[spoiler:Dr. Gordon]]. The logic behind this surrounds the lesson he himself learned: Empathy. Bobby was a charismatic self-help guru, but he was only using Jigsaw survivors to make himself some cash. He wasn't tested ''just'' because he was posing as a fake victim, he was tested because he was posing as a fake ''healer'' on top of it. By running Bobby through his tests, he experienced exactly what any Jigsaw victim would, leaving him to better empathize with the people he was claiming to want to help. To take this even further, the ultimate goal of making Bobby a true victim is to make him better able to stabilize other survivors, help them realize Jigsaw's message, and become more appreciative of their life after the trauma of a trap. This could also improve the recruiting potential for bringing survivors in the Jigsaw world, as they're less likely to have been pushed as far as Amanda or Hoffman were with proper counseling.

In ''Saw V'', we learn that Hoffman threatened Amanda with the knowledge that she was there when John's son died, one of the events that led him to become Jigsaw in the first place. Because of this, Amanda was forced to blow her last test and kill Lynn Denlon instead of following Jigsaw's direction to release her. The tragic irony of this all is that John was already perfectly aware of this fact, but had never brought it up because Amanda had rehabilitated herself in his tests. In fact, ''this'' was the irony of Amanda's reverse bear trap test, though she did not recognize it as such. She had previously killed by proxy and now, to survive, she had to kill willfully. That's the reason her "cellmate" was still alive.

[[WMG:[[spoiler:Dr. Gordon]] was ''always'' a Jigsaw Apprentice]]
He was a follower of John's from the very beginning. Before Amanda converted, before Hoffman was blackmailed, he was there. His Test was intended to accomplish two main goals. His final Apprentice Exam, just like Amanda and Hoffman were intended to be given; and to cast him from the list of suspects. He'd been suspected already, and as things continued there was no guarantee they'd take a second look at him later. So he was put into a Test. If he died, Game Over. If he survived, he could either be a publicly traumatized survivor, or [[spoiler:as happened]], he could disappear as Missing Presumed Dead.