History WMG / ReturnOfTheJedi

26th May '17 5:55:40 AM CosmicFerret
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In TheEmpireStrikesBack, Yoda told Luke that, through the Force, Jedi could see visions of the past, as well as the future. A young Leia, being strong in the Force, saw visions of Padme, her birth mother. However, Leia, not knowing about her true heritage, didn't realize just what she was really seeing. So, she interpreted them as being actual, if fragmented, memories of her mother. It's possible Luke had similar visions, but he responded by just putting them out of his mind, since he apparently knew next to nothing about his real mother and had no true frame of reference.

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In TheEmpireStrikesBack, Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack, Yoda told Luke that, through the Force, Jedi could see visions of the past, as well as the future. A young Leia, being strong in the Force, saw visions of Padme, her birth mother. However, Leia, not knowing about her true heritage, didn't realize just what she was really seeing. So, she interpreted them as being actual, if fragmented, memories of her mother. It's possible Luke had similar visions, but he responded by just putting them out of his mind, since he apparently knew next to nothing about his real mother and had no true frame of reference.
8th Apr '17 4:01:41 PM nombretomado
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Come ReturnOfTheJedi, Vader is reluctant to bring Luke to the Emperor, but does so mostly out of hope that Luke will join him. His comment "It is pointless to resist" is him telling Luke to give in to his hatred of the Emperor, so that they can kill him and become the new rulers. When Luke makes a move to kill Palpatine, Vader steps in to stop Luke from turning to the Dark Side because he knows that Luke, having been swayed by Palpatine, will merely replace Palpaine rather than join with Vader. Notice that never once does Vader even come close to killing Luke, and Luke even manages to get the upper hand a few times (Force Kicking Vader down the stairs). When Luke hides in the shadows, Vader once again tries to talk him into joining him in striking down Palpatine ("Give yourself to the dark side. It is the only way you can save your friends.") His talk of turning Leia to the Dark Side is a furtherance of his goal of having the Skywalker family united and ruling a peaceful galaxy. When Luke attacks him this time, he cannot fight back without hurting/killing Luke, which leads to him losing a hand and almost dying at Luke's hand. If you look closely when Vader is lying on the catwalk, you can see him moving his hand as if to say, "Calm down, control yourself," to Luke, who is still wanting to kill him at that moment. He is trying to calm his Luke because killing Vader would leave Luke to be trained by Palpatine i.e. not part of the Vader MasterPlan. In the end, he turns back to the Light Side and kills Palpatine once he realizes that this is a replay of the moment that he turned to the Dark Side: a Jedi is about to be killed by Palpatine right in front of him, and he has to make a decision who he will side with. This time, he chooses to reject Palpatine in order to save his son, and dies for it.

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Come ReturnOfTheJedi, ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', Vader is reluctant to bring Luke to the Emperor, but does so mostly out of hope that Luke will join him. His comment "It is pointless to resist" is him telling Luke to give in to his hatred of the Emperor, so that they can kill him and become the new rulers. When Luke makes a move to kill Palpatine, Vader steps in to stop Luke from turning to the Dark Side because he knows that Luke, having been swayed by Palpatine, will merely replace Palpaine rather than join with Vader. Notice that never once does Vader even come close to killing Luke, and Luke even manages to get the upper hand a few times (Force Kicking Vader down the stairs). When Luke hides in the shadows, Vader once again tries to talk him into joining him in striking down Palpatine ("Give yourself to the dark side. It is the only way you can save your friends.") His talk of turning Leia to the Dark Side is a furtherance of his goal of having the Skywalker family united and ruling a peaceful galaxy. When Luke attacks him this time, he cannot fight back without hurting/killing Luke, which leads to him losing a hand and almost dying at Luke's hand. If you look closely when Vader is lying on the catwalk, you can see him moving his hand as if to say, "Calm down, control yourself," to Luke, who is still wanting to kill him at that moment. He is trying to calm his Luke because killing Vader would leave Luke to be trained by Palpatine i.e. not part of the Vader MasterPlan. In the end, he turns back to the Light Side and kills Palpatine once he realizes that this is a replay of the moment that he turned to the Dark Side: a Jedi is about to be killed by Palpatine right in front of him, and he has to make a decision who he will side with. This time, he chooses to reject Palpatine in order to save his son, and dies for it.
19th Mar '17 11:41:22 AM nombretomado
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The only time you see Vader really try to kill Luke is in ANewHope during the Trench Run, and he doesn't even know who Luke is at that point. When the Emperor tells him that "I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker." Vader's first thought is how to turn Luke, so that they could overthrow the Emperor and end the war, ruling the galaxy as Father and Son. Him fighting Luke at Cloud City was a test, to see what his son's strengths were, and to try and sway him to Vader's side. Cutting off Luke's hand was an accident, which is why Vader stops attacking him at this point in the duel and instead reveals the truth, hoping to finally sway Luke to join him in overthrowing the Emperor.

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The only time you see Vader really try to kill Luke is in ANewHope ''Film/ANewHope'' during the Trench Run, and he doesn't even know who Luke is at that point. When the Emperor tells him that "I have no doubt this boy is the offspring of Anakin Skywalker." Vader's first thought is how to turn Luke, so that they could overthrow the Emperor and end the war, ruling the galaxy as Father and Son. Him fighting Luke at Cloud City was a test, to see what his son's strengths were, and to try and sway him to Vader's side. Cutting off Luke's hand was an accident, which is why Vader stops attacking him at this point in the duel and instead reveals the truth, hoping to finally sway Luke to join him in overthrowing the Emperor.
16th Mar '17 9:14:45 PM chickenpie999
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[[WMG: Anakin's Ghost can change appearance]]
It's unlikely that only one single song is played continuously at the celebrations at Endor. After the cremation of Anakin Skywalker, revolts/celebrations occur on Coruscant, Naboo and Tatooine, Victory Celebration is played and Anakin appears to Luke as he did during the Clone Wars, at a later point in the celebration, when Ewok Celebration (aka Yub Nub) is played, he appears to Luke as he would have if he had continuously stayed on the light side by 4 ABY.
23rd Feb '17 1:33:56 AM DrImpossible
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* Based on the EU short story collection ''Tales From Jabba's Palace'', Jabba ''does'' lust after humanoid females, but only when they make efforts to look more like a Hutt. That's why the skinny Twi'lek was expendable, but the other dancer was not. Apparently, her species evolved the ability to soak up water and store it in body fat, allowing her to perform what Jabba's court consider to be a sexy dance, by absorbing enough water to resemble Jabba, first. In which case, perhaps Jabba didn't lust after Leia to begin with. Maybe he was willing to wait a while, having his new human slave fattened up the slow but steady way, by making her gorge on lots and lots of rich, fattening food designed for a refined human palate. He might possibly have arranged for doctors or medical gizmos that would keep Leia healthy in every other way, while she got so fat that she was actually bigger than Jabba. It's just fortunate for Han, and the rebellion, that Chewbacca, Lando, and Luke came to her rescue long before Jabba managed to get even a single delivery of sufficient amounts of the right kind of human foods, so she was still fit and healthy for the escape.
23rd Feb '17 1:06:41 AM DrImpossible
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* If this is literally true, then that means any and all Jedi appearing in the canon ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' are effectively DoomedByCanon, so Kanan Jarrus and Ezra Bridger [[spoiler: and Ahsoka Tano]] are going to die. Unless Yoda was just, you know, generalizing for dramatic effect, because, in the (non-canon) Legends continuity, it's definitely ''not'' true.

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* If this is literally true, then that means any and all Jedi appearing in the canon ''WesternAnimation/StarWarsRebels'' are effectively DoomedByCanon, so Kanan Jarrus and Ezra Bridger [[spoiler: and Ahsoka Tano]] are going to die. Unless Yoda was just, you know, generalizing for dramatic effect, because, in the (non-canon) Legends continuity, expanded universe, it's definitely ''not'' true.
23rd Feb '17 1:03:29 AM DrImpossible
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As someone pointed out on the "Just Bugs Me"-page, there's no way Coruscant - The Imperial Capital - would be in open celebration, [[NoOntologicalInertia only hours after the destruction]] of the Death Star and the death of the Emperor. Riots, stormtroopers everywhere, etc, seems more likely. The solution? The different scenes in the montage doesn't take place during the same time period. The shots of Luke and the others on the moon of Endor are obviously set only hours after the destruction of the Death Star, but the celebration on Coruscant could be months, or even years into the future
* It's actually possible. See, for example, the initial uprising in Libya - Tripoli rose up, before Gadbastard sent in the aircraft. And a technologically-advanced society would be able to know that Palpatine was dead. The EU also states that that celebration ended with a brutal crackdown by the stormtroopers...

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As someone pointed out on the "Just Bugs Me"-page, there's no way Coruscant - The Imperial Capital - would be in open celebration, [[NoOntologicalInertia only hours after the destruction]] of the Death Star and the death of the Emperor. Riots, stormtroopers everywhere, etc, seems more likely. The solution? The different scenes in the montage doesn't take place during the same time period. The shots of Luke and the others on the moon of Endor are obviously set only hours after the destruction of the Death Star, but the celebration on Coruscant could be months, or even years into the future
* It's actually possible. See, for example, the initial uprising in Libya - Tripoli rose up, before Gadbastard sent in the aircraft. And a technologically-advanced society would be able to know that Palpatine was dead. The EU also states that that celebration ended with a brutal crackdown by the stormtroopers...
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10th Jan '17 7:36:43 PM jameygamer
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[[WMG: Moff Jerjerrod escaped the Death Star II and immediately defected to the now-dominant Rebel Alliance and the New Republic following the Battle of Endor.]]
This is based on a major squad of Princess/General Leia's Resistance in ''The Force Awakens'' having the same name as Moff Jerjerrod. While this would likely not happen in the ''Legends'' continuity due to his AdaptationalVillainy in that universe, in the canon universe and the deleted scenes, he only saw the Death Star as a means just to keep order and was not happy about destroying planets. He could very well have surrendered to the Alliance and joined them due to having morals, and going on to be a major player in the Alliance and the formation of the new Republic, if not the Resistance itself.

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[[WMG: Moff Jerjerrod escaped the Death Star II and immediately [[HeelFaceTurn defected to the now-dominant Rebel Alliance and the New Republic Republic]] following the Battle of Endor.]]
This is based on a major squad of Princess/General Leia's Resistance in ''The Force Awakens'' having the same name as Moff Jerjerrod. While this would likely not happen in the ''Legends'' continuity due to his AdaptationalVillainy in that universe, in the canon universe and the deleted scenes, he only saw the Death Star as a means just to keep order and was not happy about destroying planets. He could very well have surrendered to the Alliance and joined them due to having morals, and going on to be a major player in the Alliance and the formation of the new Republic, if not the Resistance itself. If this is true, it makes him the second high-ranking Imperial to make a HeelFaceTurn in ''Return of the Jedi'' after his boss Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker.
10th Jan '17 7:35:35 PM jameygamer
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George supposedly wanted the ewoks to be wookies originally but changed his mind given that wookies are technologically capable. What if we split the difference and say ewoks are a wookie subspecies whose ancestors crashed on Endor thousands of years ago. The physiological differences can be attributed to environmental factors. Given the existence of human subspecies in Star Wars, it's not without precedent.

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George supposedly wanted the ewoks to be wookies originally but changed his mind given that wookies are technologically capable. What if we split the difference and say ewoks are a wookie subspecies whose ancestors crashed on Endor thousands of years ago. The physiological differences can be attributed to environmental factors. Given the existence of human subspecies in Star Wars, it's not without precedent.precedent.

[[WMG: Moff Jerjerrod escaped the Death Star II and immediately defected to the now-dominant Rebel Alliance and the New Republic following the Battle of Endor.]]
This is based on a major squad of Princess/General Leia's Resistance in ''The Force Awakens'' having the same name as Moff Jerjerrod. While this would likely not happen in the ''Legends'' continuity due to his AdaptationalVillainy in that universe, in the canon universe and the deleted scenes, he only saw the Death Star as a means just to keep order and was not happy about destroying planets. He could very well have surrendered to the Alliance and joined them due to having morals, and going on to be a major player in the Alliance and the formation of the new Republic, if not the Resistance itself.
10th Jan '17 3:32:06 PM jameygamer
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The Twi'leks are there mainly to seem impressive/give morale for his men, and because [[ForTheEvulz he likes tormenting them.]] He wasn't [[IHaveYouKnowMyPretty trying to molest Leia]], just creep her out and demean her.

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The Twi'leks are there mainly to seem impressive/give morale for his men, and because [[ForTheEvulz he likes tormenting them.]] He wasn't [[IHaveYouKnowMyPretty [[IHaveYouNowMyPretty trying to molest Leia]], just creep her out and demean her.
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