History WMG / RedDeadRedemption

* I dunno, Ross seemed pretty damned satisfied that [[spoiler: John was killed. If R* wanted to show him as not taking pleasure, they would have had him do something like look away/look down or at the very least have a very regretful look on his face. He's shown very clearly lighting up his cigar with a smug grin on his face.]]

* Not bad, except... [[spoiler: When John is zombified, only his grave is visible. It's shown very clearly that he and Uncle ded in 1911.]]

* I dunno, Ross seemed pretty damned satisfied that [[spoiler: John was killed. If R* wanted to show him as not taking pleasure, they would have had him do something like look away/look down or at the very least have a very regretful look on his face. He's shown very clearly lighting up his cigar in smug satisfaction.]]

[[spoiler: The part of Red Dead Redemption where John Marston spends time with his family actually take place over several months and Undead Nightmare takes place in between John coming home and getting killed by the Army. When John cures the plague all the people who were zombified are brought back to life, [[AWizardDidIt even the ones who had their heads blown off]]. Most everyone who was zombified thought they were just sick and delirious (Uncle thinks it was all a drunken dream) and the survivors are so overjoyed at having everything and everyone back to normal that there's an unspoken agreement to never speak of it all again. Even so, the events of Undead Nightmare have their subtle effects. The MayIncatec gods punish Abraham Reyes for his desecration of their temple by slowly driving him mad, and his growing paranoia turns him into a tyrant by 1914. Overjoyed to have her father back, Bonnie acquires a new zest for life, gets married, and lives happily ever after. Harold MacDougal's mind is unable to reconcile his memories of the zombie plague with his knowledge of science. He eventually cracks and assaults a fellow scholar at Yale. Irish was so freaked out by the zombie plague that he commits suicide in an outhouse in Thieves' Landing. Greatly disturbed by the zombie plague, Landon Ricketts throws away his guns, renounces violence, and becomes a farmer. Now that he's no longer getting into fights, he lives long enough to pass away peacefully in his sleep. A zombie plague turns out to be the last straw for Marshal Johnson. He finally says "enough is enough" and retires. Edgar Ross knows John was involved with the zombie plague somehow and uses this as a pretext for invading Beecher's Hope with the Army and murdering John Marston. In 1914 Seth steals the MayIncatec mask and claims it as the "treasure" he sought for so many years. He becomes the Zombie Lord and sparks a new zombie plague, which cause the MayIncatec gods to resurrect John Marston as their Undead Avenger to put down the new plague.]]

** Makes sense , [[spoiler: he didn't seem to take pleasure in killing John]].

Ross, despite his [[{{Jerkass}} abrasive attitude]] towards John, [[spoiler:didn't kill him even when he had the perfect opportunity and cover story (John died killing Dutch). Knowing the feeling of being forced by the government to do their dirty work, he gave John a few, brief months of peace and comfort with his family before Ross carried out his standing orders to kill him.]]

Ross, despite his [[Jerkass abrasive attitude]] towards John, [[spoiler:didn't kill him even when he had the perfect opportunity and cover story (John died killing Dutch). Knowing the feeling of being forced by the government to do their dirty work, he gave John a few, brief months of peace and comfort with his family before Ross carried out his standing orders to kill him.]]

[[spoiler: Is actually a book Jack Marston is writing. He writes of his father's exploits before he goes off to deal with Ross.]] This is why after you finish that last thing, there's no more missions for him. Same for Undead Nightmare. All that are just stories Jack is telling us.

[[WMG: The Stranger is a manifestation of [[FightClub Marston's conscience.]]

He appears randomly, and in the strangest places. He orders Marston to do morally amibiguous deeds. He never dissaproves of his behaviors, and he is invulnerable.

He is always helping strangers out of his own good (Er, depending on how you play I suppose), and usually finishes a stranger mission start with "I'll see what I can do." Plus he has the government out on his butt to do favors for him.

In short, Marston- as epitomized by the Player- ''CANNOT'' just stay on the ranch forever, no matter how much he may love and care for his family, just as he would have eventually roamed around on his own sooner or later if the BOI didn't step in and create a reason for him to do it sooner. Eventually, he will return to his old life simply because he cannot NOT do so. And when he does, there is a fair chance that he will do something unbelievably damaging or in general illegal, particularly with WorldWarOne and troubles from across the border looming on the horizon. Ross- probably having made a study of the Marstons- knew this, and it just added the final nail(s) to the coffin of his decision on what to do with John.

* Four words: HeKnowsTooMuch.

Why? Because there's no [[spoiler: FBI]] to betray him anymore and its not like any zombie is going to permanently put him down. Also, he freaking deserves a happy ending for once.

** Jossed, i'm afraid. John is the playable character in the DLC, as it represents an alternate continuity from the start of the game.

Think about it there's a plague raising the dead and infecting people [[spoiler:including Abigail Marston]], maybe John is one of the zombies! Also, even though he doen't look like a zombie it could be because he hasn't seen himself in a mirror, or he's just really well embalmed, or a ghost, etc.

Think about it there's a plague raising the dead and infecting people [spoiler:including Abigail Marston], maybe John is one of the zombies! Also, even though he doen't look like a zombie it could be because he hasn't seen himself in a mirror, or he's just really well embalmed, or a ghost, etc.

Think about it there's a plague raising the dead and infecting people spoiler:including Abigail Marston., maybe John is one of the zombies! Also, even though he doen't look like a zombie it could be because he hasn't seen himself in a mirror, or he's just really well embalmed, or a ghost, etc.

Think about it there's a plague raising the dead and infecting people [spoiler:including Abigail Marston.], maybe John is one of the zombies! Also, even though he doen't look like a zombie it could be because he hasn't seen himself in a mirror, or he's just really well embalmed, or a ghost, etc.

** Both feature the CaptainErsatz versions of real life locations and a dark nihilistic tone.

There's no real evidence to support this, besides it being by the same developer using the same engine, but for some reason I just like to believe this is true. Both games share similar themes of confronting a criminal past and dealing with shadowy government agencies, in a crapsack world with black and grey morality. In further GTA instalments, I'd love to see little hints that this is true, maybe a history show on the TV about the turbulent old west, it's heroes and villains (Marston a villain, Ross a Hero...)

** Who better to represent Ocelot's idealised self-image as a badass peacekeeper of unbeatable gunfighty prowess than himself, while his soul takes a break from [[MagnificentBastard Magnificent Bastardry]] to try out being a easily misled XanatosSucker living on the knife's edge?

Yes, I did just buy the ''Legends and Killers'' DLC and watch a playthrough of ''Revolver''. Why do you ask?

** Who better to represent Ocelot's idealised self-image as a badass peacekeeper of unbeatable gunfighty prowess than himself, while his soul takes a break from [[MagnificentBastard Magnificent Bastardry]] to try out being a easily misled XanatosSucker living on the knife's edge?