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Also, the receptions of almost all new non-''LightNovel/{{Bakemonogatari}}'' anime (the series originally began before ''Madoka'' anyway) anime from Creator/StudioShaft (''LightNovel/DenpaOnnaToSeishunOtoko'', ''LightNovel/SasamisanAtGanbaranai'', ''Manga/{{Nisekoi}}'', and ''Anime/MekakuCityActors'') and Creator/GenUrobuchi (''Anime/PsychoPass'', ''Anime/SuiseiNoGargantia'', and ''Anime/AldnoahZero'') has as of 2014 met much less enthusiastic reception (with some fans calling ''Mekaku City Actors'' and ''Aldnoah'' their respective JumpTheShark moments).

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Also, the receptions of almost all new non-''LightNovel/{{Bakemonogatari}}'' anime (the series originally began before ''Madoka'' anyway) anime from Creator/StudioShaft (''LightNovel/DenpaOnnaToSeishunOtoko'', (''LightNovel/GroundControlToPsychoelectricGirl'', ''LightNovel/SasamisanAtGanbaranai'', ''Manga/{{Nisekoi}}'', and ''Anime/MekakuCityActors'') and Creator/GenUrobuchi (''Anime/PsychoPass'', ''Anime/SuiseiNoGargantia'', and ''Anime/AldnoahZero'') has as of 2014 met much less enthusiastic reception (with some fans calling ''Mekaku City Actors'' and ''Aldnoah'' their respective JumpTheShark moments).
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Will break the Walls of Reality and rescue Madoka and everyone else. Then everyone will enjoy a nice cold glass of [[NeonGenesisEvangelion LCL]].

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Will break the Walls of Reality and rescue Madoka and everyone else. Then everyone will enjoy a nice cold glass of [[NeonGenesisEvangelion [[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion LCL]].



[[WMG:''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica'' was meant to be a critical {{Deconstruction}} of the otaku lifestyle, like ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' before it.]]

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** Specifically ''FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends''. Tell me her second from doesn't look like an Imaginary Friend.

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** Specifically ''FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends''.''WesternAnimation/FostersHomeForImaginaryFriends''. Tell me her second from doesn't look like an Imaginary Friend.
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All that stuff about aliens and entropy is symptomatic of our tendency to justify them with little white lies and HalfTruths whenever we devastate nature or take advantage of our fellow man. It took the form of a race of [[KillerRabbit seemingly]] [[AffablyEvil harmless]] {{RidiculouslyCuteCritter}}s for much the same reason; we all try to convince ourselves we're right, we're just trying to help, and [[RomanticismVersusEnlightenment the destruction of the earth and the human individual is all for the sake of Enlightenment and protecting human civilization from entropy/decay]]. In other words, [[TomatoInTheMirror we are all Kyubey]]. Or rather, we are all his/her/[[PronounTrouble its]] / [[FutuRama shkler]] father/mother. [[StarWars Search your feelings, you know it to be true.]]

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All that stuff about aliens and entropy is symptomatic of our tendency to justify them with little white lies and HalfTruths whenever we devastate nature or take advantage of our fellow man. It took the form of a race of [[KillerRabbit seemingly]] [[AffablyEvil harmless]] {{RidiculouslyCuteCritter}}s for much the same reason; we all try to convince ourselves we're right, we're just trying to help, and [[RomanticismVersusEnlightenment the destruction of the earth and the human individual is all for the sake of Enlightenment and protecting human civilization from entropy/decay]]. In other words, [[TomatoInTheMirror we are all Kyubey]]. Or rather, we are all his/her/[[PronounTrouble its]] / [[FutuRama [[WesternAnimation/FutuRama shkler]] father/mother. [[StarWars Search your feelings, you know it to be true.]]
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Also, the receptions of almost all new non-''{{Bakemonogatari}}'' anime (the series originally began before ''Madoka'' anyway) anime from StudioShaft (''DenpaOnnaToSeishunOtoko'', ''SasamiSan@Ganbaranai'', ''{{Nisekoi}}'', and ''MekakuCityActors'') and GenUrobuchi (''PsychoPass'', ''SuiseiNoGargantia'', and ''AldnoahZero'') has as of 2014 met much less enthusiastic reception (with some fans calling ''Mekaku City Actors'' and ''Aldnoah'' their respective JumpTheShark moments).

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Also, the receptions of almost all new non-''{{Bakemonogatari}}'' non-''LightNovel/{{Bakemonogatari}}'' anime (the series originally began before ''Madoka'' anyway) anime from StudioShaft (''DenpaOnnaToSeishunOtoko'', ''SasamiSan@Ganbaranai'', ''{{Nisekoi}}'', Creator/StudioShaft (''LightNovel/DenpaOnnaToSeishunOtoko'', ''LightNovel/SasamisanAtGanbaranai'', ''Manga/{{Nisekoi}}'', and ''MekakuCityActors'') ''Anime/MekakuCityActors'') and GenUrobuchi (''PsychoPass'', ''SuiseiNoGargantia'', Creator/GenUrobuchi (''Anime/PsychoPass'', ''Anime/SuiseiNoGargantia'', and ''AldnoahZero'') ''Anime/AldnoahZero'') has as of 2014 met much less enthusiastic reception (with some fans calling ''Mekaku City Actors'' and ''Aldnoah'' their respective JumpTheShark moments).
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Also, the receptions of almost all new non-''{{Bakemonogatari}}'' anime (the series originally began before ''Madoka'' anyway) anime from StudioShaft (''DenpaOnnaToSeishunOtoko'', ''SasamiSan@Ganbaranai'', ''{{Nisekoi}}'', and ''MekakuCityActors'') and GenUrobuchi (''PsychoPass'', ''SuiseiNoGargantia'', and ''AldnoahZero'') has as of 2014 met much less enthusiastic reception (with some fans calling ''Mekaku City Actors'' and ''Aldnoah'' their respective JumpTheShark moments).
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** Sayaka: MagicKnightRayearth, perhaps? Has the whole sword wielding thing, not to mention the "I can't be with my beloved one" part...

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** Sayaka: MagicKnightRayearth, Manga/MagicKnightRayearth, perhaps? Has the whole sword wielding thing, not to mention the "I can't be with my beloved one" part...
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\n[[WMG: Familiars do not grow up to become witches. They transform their last victims into a witch using their power.]]

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** Homura: Manga/SailorMoon, perhaps [[spoiler: (Sailor Pluto's powers)]]. And maybe a bit of [[Manga/TokyoMewMew Zakuro's]] personality, [[spoiler: after who knows how many timelines]].

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** Homura: Manga/SailorMoon, Franchise/SailorMoon, perhaps [[spoiler: (Sailor Pluto's powers)]]. And maybe a bit of [[Manga/TokyoMewMew Zakuro's]] personality, [[spoiler: after who knows how many timelines]].



* Perhaps the second season of ''Anime/PantyAndStockingWithGarterbelt''? Or perhaps a ''Manga/SailorMoon'' remake? It has to be tons of badass, either way.

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* Perhaps the second season of ''Anime/PantyAndStockingWithGarterbelt''? Or perhaps a ''Manga/SailorMoon'' ''Franchise/SailorMoon'' remake? It has to be tons of badass, either way.



** A Sailor Moon remake has since been confirmed. People have also suggested that Anime/PrettyCure may reconstruct the genre.

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** A [[Anime/SailorMoonCrystal Sailor Moon remake remake]] has since been confirmed. People have also suggested that Anime/PrettyCure may reconstruct the genre.



Creator/AyaHirano and MichaelJackson are certainly testimonies to the chew-'em-up-and-spit-'em-out nature of the entertainment industry. Also noteworthy is how so many young modern seiyuus and artists (wait for it...) signed the contract because they were fans of ''Manga/SailorMoon'' or other cheerful TV shows, only to discover that they get most of the downsides of celebrity life (TypeCasting, SlaveToPR, ArtistDisillusionment, being virtually [[UnwittingPawn whored out all the time]] by {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s who [[ExecutiveMeddling always desecrate their Magnum Opus]], creepy stalker fans, having to keep their private/romantic lives complete secrets to avoid [[NeverLiveItDown eternal]] [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator damnation]] by the FanDumb, [[StreisandEffect not even being able to hide their private/romantic lives and avoid said eternal damnation]] due to constant accusations about scandals) with very few of the perks (seiyuus go into idoldom and gravure shots because voice acting actually does not pay too well in Japan, and most idols themselves only get judged by their cover and not their true self).

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Creator/AyaHirano and MichaelJackson are certainly testimonies to the chew-'em-up-and-spit-'em-out nature of the entertainment industry. Also noteworthy is how so many young modern seiyuus and artists (wait for it...) signed the contract because they were fans of ''Manga/SailorMoon'' ''Anime/SailorMoon'' or other cheerful TV shows, only to discover that they get most of the downsides of celebrity life (TypeCasting, SlaveToPR, ArtistDisillusionment, being virtually [[UnwittingPawn whored out all the time]] by {{Corrupt Corporate Executive}}s who [[ExecutiveMeddling always desecrate their Magnum Opus]], creepy stalker fans, having to keep their private/romantic lives complete secrets to avoid [[NeverLiveItDown eternal]] [[DarthWiki/FallenCreator damnation]] by the FanDumb, [[StreisandEffect not even being able to hide their private/romantic lives and avoid said eternal damnation]] due to constant accusations about scandals) with very few of the perks (seiyuus go into idoldom and gravure shots because voice acting actually does not pay too well in Japan, and most idols themselves only get judged by their cover and not their true self).
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\n[[WMG: Wraiths are essentially {{Poltergeist}}s.]]
Supposedly poltergeists are not human souls trapped in the mortal realm, but entities generated out of people's bad emotions and anxieties. Sound like the more typical villains in MagicalGirl productions, don't they?

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Since witches seem quite hostile, it would take someone like Elsa Maria to make them start working together.


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Since witches seem quite hostile, it would take someone like Elsa Maria to make them start working together.

together. Presumably someone in the Freezer witched out and ''really'' wanted some friends, building the Dawn of Hyades.
[[WMG: Sayaka could have been brought back to being a magical girl from witchhood, but not how they were trying.]] Two words: Kazumi Magica. Kill Oktavia Von Seckendorff and stuff the grief seed and any other remains into the still-fresh Sayaka. Since this is the Pleiades' whole thing and the only connection between the groups was the by-then-usually-deceased Mami, it is unlikely it would have been tried in any timeline.

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[[WMG: Walpurgis Night type conglomerate witches require an assimilating witch to start off.]]
Since witches seem quite hostile, it would take someone like Elsa Maria to make them start working together.

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[[WMG: The Witch runes are the Incubator alphabet, and "Witch speech" [[spoiler:(as heard in ''Rebellion'')]] is their language.]]
"Witchification" could be compared to malware, so it would make sense for the "programmers" to use their own language and script.
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Blame the occult imagery and influences throughout the series, just as the ''Poltergeist'' curse was supposedly generated by TobeHooper using actual human bodies in the first movie.

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[[WMG:''MadokaMagica'' was meant to be a critical {{Deconstruction}} of the otaku lifestyle, like ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' before it.]]

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[[WMG: Madoka Kaname never existed.]]
No, not in [[RetGone that way]]. Madoka never existed at all outside of Homura's head. She was just the imaginary friend, the ideal {{Moe}} MessianicArchetype, of a MagicalGirl fan with severe Clinical Depression, bullied by her classmates, resented by her own parents for being such a failure, and ostracized by everyone else, until she [[BreakTheCutie broke down]] and succumbed to schizophrenia. Her three friends at first tried to reach out and provide support, but when her interactions with them grew more and more erratic, delusional and violent, they eventually started moving away from her, and she in turn grew colder towards them.

After she began throwing bricks and rocks at school staff, claiming she wanted to keep "Madoka" safe, she was eventually placed in a state asylum. Junko and Tomohisa are her two main attending physicians (as a single working mother, Junko occasionally has to bring along her toddler son), and Kyubey is her psychiatrist.

Her teachers back in her former school lament her loss, especially since, despite her erratic behavior, she seemed to be showing much aptitude as an artist, creating elaborate [[AndyWarhol Warholesque]] collage pastiches. While most institutions encourage their charges to express themselves through arts and crafts, all access to art supplies have unfortunately been denied to Homura, as several of her pictures feature her violently murdering "Kyubey".

And for the records, "Madoka"'s image was inspired by the classic magical girl ''MagicalPrincessMinkyMomo'', possibly including [[spoiler:Momo's tragic death]].

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[[WMG: Mami's wish to live indirectly allowed her body to remain functionally living despite her contract.]] That more physically mature look is a side effect of her body simply continuing its growth and development and most biological functions despite the soul being a gem outside of the body. As a side effect of this, she has a slightly larger safely usable magic pool and can go slightly longer without grief seed or cube or whatnot before running out of magic and witching out with little despair because she only has to use enough magic to give commands rather than fully maintain the shell. This does help explain why she can cheerily use massive gun barrages made of ribbon and a large finisher cannon on one soulgem's worth of energy without threatening her life so long as she has a refuel soon afterwards, while Kyoko can hardly summon a massive scorpion spear and ring of surrounding spears (admittedly while under stress and grief from being about to kill herself and friend) without dying.

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We probably know by now that the TV series spawned the 2011 earthquake. Movies 1 and 2 generated Hurricane Sandy, which struck the northeastern US the same week they were released in Japan. And more recently, not only did Movie 3 spawn Typhoon Taiyan in the Philippines the same week it was released in Japan, but [[http://www.skynews.com.au/world/article.aspx?id=918650 a 7.3 earthquake also occurred off Japan's coast in about the same area as the 2011 quake's epicenter]], ''on the day of its Japanese release date''. Fortunately no one was killed, though.

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We probably know by now that the TV series spawned the 2011 earthquake. Movies 1 and 2 generated Hurricane Sandy, which struck the northeastern US the same week they were released in Japan. And more recently, not only did Movie 3 spawn Typhoon Taiyan Haiyan in the Philippines the same week it was released in Japan, but [[http://www.skynews.com.au/world/article.aspx?id=918650 a 7.3 earthquake also occurred off Japan's coast in about the same area as the 2011 quake's epicenter]], ''on the day of its Japanese release date''. Fortunately no one was killed, though.
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[[WMG:The ''Madoka'' franchise is cursed, like the ''[[Film/Poltergeist]]'' and ''{{Superman}}'' franchises before it.]]

We probably know by now that the TV series spawned the 2011 earthquake. Movies 1 and 2 generated Hurricane Sandy, which struck the northeastern US the same week they were released in Japan. And more recently, not only did Movie 3 spawn Typhoon Taiyan in the Philippines the same week it was released in Japan, but a 7.3 earthquake also occurred off Japan's coast in about the same area as the 2011 quake's epicenter, ''on the day of its Japanese release date''. Fortunately no one was killed, though.

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[[WMG:The ''Madoka'' franchise is cursed, like the ''[[Film/Poltergeist]]'' ''{{Poltergeist}}'' and ''{{Superman}}'' franchises before it.]]

We probably know by now that the TV series spawned the 2011 earthquake. Movies 1 and 2 generated Hurricane Sandy, which struck the northeastern US the same week they were released in Japan. And more recently, not only did Movie 3 spawn Typhoon Taiyan in the Philippines the same week it was released in Japan, but [[http://www.skynews.com.au/world/article.aspx?id=918650 a 7.3 earthquake also occurred off Japan's coast in about the same area as the 2011 quake's epicenter, epicenter]], ''on the day of its Japanese release date''. Fortunately no one was killed, though.

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\n[[WMG:The ''Madoka'' franchise is cursed, like the ''[[Film/Poltergeist]]'' and ''{{Superman}}'' franchises before it.]]

We probably know by now that the TV series spawned the 2011 earthquake. Movies 1 and 2 generated Hurricane Sandy, which struck the northeastern US the same week they were released in Japan. And more recently, not only did Movie 3 spawn Typhoon Taiyan in the Philippines the same week it was released in Japan, but a 7.3 earthquake also occurred off Japan's coast in about the same area as the 2011 quake's epicenter, ''on the day of its Japanese release date''. Fortunately no one was killed, though.

Blame the occult imagery and influences throughout the series, just as the ''Poltergeist'' curse was supposedly generated by TobeHooper using actual human bodies in the first movie.

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*** So Homura wanted to take matters ''into her own hands'' or ''get a grip'' on the situation? Good one.
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More specifically, Madoka's [[spoiler: ascention to Madokami]] is a {{Deconstruction}} of SerialEscalation, PlotLeveling, and [[ShonenUpgrade Shonen Upgrades.]] How much more powerful can you get, how much [[BiggerStick Bigger can your Stick become]], before you have to take the ultimate step and become [[spoiler: not just a PhysicalGod, but an actual {{God}}]]? Why bother with [[MyKungFuIsStrongerThanYours constantly one-upping each other]] [[spoiler: when you can just skip straight to the [[{{God}} top]] ]]?

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More specifically, Madoka's [[spoiler: ascention to Madokami]] is a {{Deconstruction}} of SerialEscalation, PlotLeveling, and [[ShonenUpgrade [[NextTierPowerUp Shonen Upgrades.]] How much more powerful can you get, how much [[BiggerStick Bigger can your Stick become]], before you have to take the ultimate step and become [[spoiler: not just a PhysicalGod, but an actual {{God}}]]? Why bother with [[MyKungFuIsStrongerThanYours constantly one-upping each other]] [[spoiler: when you can just skip straight to the [[{{God}} top]] ]]?
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[[WMG: Sayaka's arc is a ShoutOut to TheWall.]]
Just like Pink, Sayaka snaps after losing her LoveInterest due of PoorCommunicationKills. Just like for Pink, this is only the last of her traumas (Mami's death and the SoulJar are "just bricks in the wall"). She attempts to fill the "empty spaces" with music-themed violence, but this only worsen her situation. Finally, the says "goodbye cruel world" in the station and traps herself in her personal mind desert. Sure, she still wants to be with Kyosuke, but since the barrier is the Wall, it warps her "hey you" into an obscure cypher language. Sadly, there is no "trial" for the poor girl; she can't realize she became the same evil force that led her story - witches ([[MythologyGag okay, "hammer army"]]).


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\n** Homura's soulgem being on her hand represents how her wish is attempting to change the system however indirectly or minorly by force: She's going back in time, grabbing the wheel of time to try and grab Madoka out of her suffering.
** Mami's soulgem being on her head is a matter of how survival was an immediate concern at that point. She wished to live.
** Madoka's wish was initially to save a cat and eventually to save everyone, thus from the heart, thus Kyoko-like placement at the heart. Godoka/Madokami/What-Have-You's bigass multisoulgem-whatever is her eventually absorbing all magical girls to safety a la Kriemhild Gretchen sans the witches.

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Overprinting of Fiat credit money will also eventually cause Inflation, or the dilution of the money's inherent value to the point of worthlessness because the new money steals rarity value from the money supply. When the global Fiat Credit system started to replace other forms of hard currencies such as the Gold or Silver Standard especially with the establishment of the Federal Reserve, the purchasing power of the dollar began to decline by 95%. One of the most iconic examples of Fiat Inflation Failure was Germany during the Great Depression. Destroyed by the war and without a single penny left to pay the war debt, Germany had no choice but to run the presses until the whole debt was paid; as a result, the Mark's value collapsed, and the biggest banknote ever printed was the 100 quadrillion Mark bill, ''which was worth something around 24 US dollars!'' Overprinting did reach a point when a newspaper cost 100 billion marks, and you literally needed wheelbarrows of marks just to buy groceries. In some cases, the wheelbarrow itself was worth more than its contents. Germans of that era would burn wads of banknotes as fuel during the winter, owing to the money being cheaper to burn than the wood/paraffin alternative.

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Overprinting of Fiat credit money will also eventually cause Inflation, or the dilution of the money's inherent value to the point of worthlessness because the new money steals rarity value from the money supply. When the global Fiat Credit system started to replace other forms of hard currencies such as the Gold or Silver Standard especially with the establishment of the Federal Reserve, the purchasing power of the dollar began to decline has declined by 95%. One of the most iconic examples of Fiat Inflation Failure was Germany during the Great Depression. Destroyed by the war and without a single penny left to pay the war debt, Germany had no choice but to run the presses until the whole debt was paid; as a result, the Mark's value collapsed, and the biggest banknote ever printed was the 100 quadrillion Mark bill, ''which was worth something around 24 US dollars!'' Overprinting did reach a point when a newspaper cost 100 billion marks, and you literally needed wheelbarrows of marks just to buy groceries. In some cases, the wheelbarrow itself was worth more than its contents. Germans of that era would burn wads of banknotes as fuel during the winter, owing to the money being cheaper to burn than the wood/paraffin alternative. \n

When everybody realized they should stop making loans, it was too late. Instead of falling prices, now there was less money in the money supply to pay for the debt. Defaults and unemployment were common. This was called Deflation. One of the most infamous cases of Inflation-Deflation was TheGreatDepression that happened after the credit bubble that was the Roaring Twenties, when the Federal Reserve contracted the money supply. Everybody can no longer pay their debts, and thus the Wall Street Stockholders sold off their worthless American investments, causing the cascade of suicides that was the Wall Street Crash. Deflation can only be beneficial when there is no debt.



Entire superpowers such as the United States of America are in foreign and war debt in the trillions, threatening the collapse of the dollar. America's debt now exceeds 100% of its GDP, and multiplying, which means that they will never be able to pay back those debts. Ever. If the dollar crashes due to RidiculousFutureInflation, it will bring other economies down with it. Perpetual Debt will eventually a Malthusian population catastrophe where starving people will no longer have a lot of children because there will no longer be enough resources to pay for the debt. Despair and war for resources will be rife. The suicide of human civilization, all because of a dishonest form of currency. The Debt [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Nemesis]]. This apocalyptic future of DespairEventHorizon is what Kriemhild Gretchen represents. However, the central bankers on the other hand are too big to fail. Kyubey got his energy quota. The Rothschilds and other plutocrats at the top of the debt machine, along with sane people such as Chinese investors who knew what was going on, bought up 80% of the gold supply.

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Entire superpowers such as the United States of America are in foreign and war debt in the trillions, threatening the collapse of the dollar. America's debt now exceeds 100% of its GDP, and multiplying, which means that they will never be able to pay back those debts. Ever. If the dollar crashes due to RidiculousFutureInflation, it will bring other economies down with it. Perpetual Debt will eventually a Malthusian population catastrophe where starving people will no longer have a lot of children because there will no longer be enough resources to pay for the debt. Despair and war for resources will be rife. The suicide of human civilization, all because of a dishonest form of currency. The Debt [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Nemesis]]. This apocalyptic future of DespairEventHorizon a Great Depression is what Kriemhild Gretchen represents. However, the central bankers on the other hand are too big to fail. Kyubey got his energy quota. The Rothschilds and other plutocrats at the top of the debt machine, along with sane people such as Chinese investors who knew what was going on, bought up 80% of the gold supply.

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[[DealWithTheDevil Contracts]] = [[LoanShark loans]]. The Incubators grant wishes by letting desperate girls borrow some of their energy, however in turn the girls will have to pay back more in terms of energy. Replace "girl" with "debtor" and "energy" with "money". The debt spiral that the girls are hopelessly stuck in is the same in the modern Real Life Fiat Currency Debt system. Fiat, from the Latin for "Let there be" (money), is inherently worthless paper or digital money with no commodity to back it except the faith the people place on it and that we must pay our transactions and taxes through it, unlike commodity-currency systems such as the gold-silver standard. We know that Central Banks have the right to print fiat money. If the Central Banks can print fiat money to pay for everybody's debt, then how come everybody is still in unpaid debt? Because banks profit ''exactly'' out of debt. Banks are not charity to make free money.

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[[DealWithTheDevil Contracts]] = [[LoanShark loans]]. The Incubators grant wishes by letting desperate girls borrow some of their energy, however in turn the girls will have to pay back more in terms of energy. Replace "girl" with "debtor" and "energy" with "money". "money" and "Incubator" with "banker". Banks do serve as ''incubators'' for money and wealth. The Incubators even act like [[ObstructiveBureaucrat stereotypical salarymen working for some large faceless financial corporation]].The debt spiral that the girls are hopelessly stuck in is the same in the modern Real Life Fiat Currency Debt system. Fiat, from the Latin for "Let there be" (money), is inherently worthless paper or digital money with no commodity to back it except the faith the people place on it and that we must pay our transactions and taxes through it, unlike commodity-currency systems such as the gold-silver standard. We know that Central Banks have the right to print fiat money. If the Central Banks can print fiat money to pay for everybody's debt, then how come everybody is still in unpaid debt? Because banks profit ''exactly'' out of debt. Banks are not charity to make free money.



Even the Central Banks do this. Central Banks, such as the Bank of England (insert Rothschild conspiracies here) and the Federal Reserve, are actually partially privately owned and derived their power, not directly from the Government, but also from independent private stockholders for profit, like for example lobbyists such as JP Morgan behind the Federal Reserve. Without usury, banks would just be nothing more than an honest state-run service that answers to the will of the people, and there would be no such thing as national debt.

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Even the Central Banks do this. Central Banks, such as the Bank of England (insert Rothschild conspiracies references here) and the Federal Reserve, are actually partially privately owned and derived their power, not directly from the Government, but also from independent private stockholders for profit, like for example lobbyists such as JP Morgan behind the unconstitutional establishment of the Federal Reserve. Infact, only the US Treasury that answers directly to Congress has the right to coin in actual gold and silver, and will only issue debt-free fiat money when absolutely necessary during times of war, such as Continentials and Lincoln greenbacks. Federal Reserve is no more federal than Federal Express. Without usury, banks would just be nothing more than an honest state-run service that answers to the will of the people, and there would be no such thing as national debt.National Debt.



The system enforced by Incubators is unstable due to their expectation that the girls (who obviously represent the labour of the indebted) should violate EquivalentExchange and pay back more. When they can no longer pay their requirement of Grief Seeds, they default and turned into Grief Seeds themselves to be used as collateral for the Incubators' energy requirements. Similarly, an economy based on usury, credit and Perpetual Debt is an ultimately unsustainable descent into despair because the principal, or initial money supply, will never be equal with the demands of the bank, the interest. Usury violates EquivalentExchange and disproportionately forces people to work like serfs just to repay the interest. There will always be people who despair and default because there will always be more interest than the current money supply.

Homura tried to repay back her debts to the Incubators through her own effort so that they would not approach Madoka for a loan contract instead. However, because she still worked under the Incubators' debt system, her EndlessRecursionOfTime used up energy and therefore created more energy-borrowing and perpetual debt that only resulted in Madoka becoming a bigger form of collateral, i.e. witch. Her inability to defeat Walpurgis, and Madoka's inevitable mutation into a witch, respresents her inability to repay back her compounding debt. Inevitably she will either be forced to reverse time to create more debt, or commit suicide, or default as a witch, or have Madoka bail her out. Similarly, eventually, people in debt will borrow to pay back the previous debt, like fixing a hole with more holes, or curing cancer with more cancer. And the banks will make Credits, gotta keep making Contracts. Banks call these Bailouts from the Central Bank. Debt will be paid through credits which create debt. An Endless Recursion of Debt. This results into a cancerous vicious cycle of devaluation, inflation, high taxes, high prices, constant borrowing and perpetual debt that continues from generation to generation. [[MemeticMutation Yo dawg, I heard you like Debt, so I put some Debt in your Debt so that you can pay back Debt while you pay back Debt... with Debt. Debtception.]]

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The system enforced by Incubators is unstable due to their expectation that the girls (who obviously represent the labour of the indebted) should violate EquivalentExchange and pay back more. When they can no longer pay their requirement of Grief Seeds, they default and turned into Grief Seeds themselves to be used as collateral for the Incubators' energy requirements. Similarly, an economy based on usury, credit and Perpetual Debt is an ultimately unsustainable descent into despair because the principal, or initial money supply, will never be equal with the demands of the bank, the interest. Usury violates EquivalentExchange and disproportionately forces people to work like serfs just to repay the interest. There will always be people who despair and default because there will always be more interest than the current money supply. Why Incubators justify themselves with tales about how letting the universe go into entropy is worse? Because having a form of currency is still better for a functioning civilization than not having it at all.

Homura tried to repay back her debts to the Incubators through her own effort so that they would not approach Madoka for a loan contract instead. However, because she still worked under the Incubators' debt system, her EndlessRecursionOfTime used up energy and therefore created more energy-borrowing and perpetual debt that only resulted in Madoka becoming a bigger form of collateral, i.e. witch. Her inability to defeat Walpurgis, and Madoka's inevitable mutation into a witch, respresents her inability to repay back her compounding debt. Inevitably she will either be forced to reverse time to create more debt, or commit suicide, or default as a witch, or have Madoka bail her out. Similarly, eventually, people in debt will borrow to pay back the previous debt, like fixing a hole with more holes, or curing cancer with more cancer. And the banks will make Credits, gotta keep making Contracts. Banks call these Bailouts from the Central Bank. Debt will be paid through credits which create debt. An Endless Recursion of Debt. This results into a cancerous vicious cycle of devaluation, inflation, high taxes, high prices, constant borrowing and perpetual debt An Endless Recursion of Debt that continues from generation to generation. [[MemeticMutation Yo dawg, I heard you like Debt, so I put some Debt in your Debt so that you can pay back Debt while you pay back Debt... with Debt. Debtception.]]



Creator/ThomasJefferson puts it this way: ''To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses, and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers.''.



Creator/ThomasJefferson puts it this way: ''To preserve our independence, we must not let our rulers load us with perpetual debt. We must make our election between economy and liberty, or profusion and servitude. If we run into such debts as that we must be taxed in our meat and in our drink, in our necessaries and our comforts, in our labors and our amusements, for our callings and our creeds, as the people of England are, our people, like them, must come to labor sixteen hours in the twenty-four, give the earnings of fifteen of these to the government for their debts and daily expenses, and the sixteenth being insufficient to afford us bread, we must live, as they now do, on oatmeal and potatoes, have no time to think, no means of calling the mismanagers to account, but be glad to obtain subsistence by hiring ourselves to rivet their chains on the necks of our fellow-sufferers.''.

Why Incubators justify themselves with tales about how letting the universe go into entropy is worse? Because having a form of currency is still better for a functioning civilization than not having it at all. The Incubators even act like [[ObstructiveBureaucrat stereotypical salarymen working for some large faceless financial corporation]].
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Homura tried to repay back her debts to the Incubators through her own effort so that they would not approach Madoka for a loan contract instead. However, because she still worked under the Incubators' debt system, her EndlessRecursionOfTime used up energy and therefore created more borrowing and perpetual debt that only resulted in Madoka becoming a bigger form of collateral, i.e. witch. Her inability to defeat Walpurgis, and Madoka's inevitable mutation into a witch, respresents her inability to repay back her accumulating debt. Inevitably she will be either forced to commit suicide, default as a witch, or have Madoka bail her out. Similarly, eventually, people in debt will borrow to pay back the previous debt, like fixing a hole with more holes, or curing cancer with more cancer. And the banks will make Credits, gotta keep making Contracts. Banks call these Bailouts from the Central Bank. Debt will be paid through credits which create debt. An Endless Recursion of Debt. This results into a cancerous vicious cycle of devaluation, inflation, high taxes, high prices, constant borrowing and perpetual debt that continues from generation to generation. [[MemeticMutation Yo dawg, I heard you like Debt, so I put some Debt in your Debt so that you can pay back Debt while you pay back Debt... with Debt. Debtception.]]

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Homura tried to repay back her debts to the Incubators through her own effort so that they would not approach Madoka for a loan contract instead. However, because she still worked under the Incubators' debt system, her EndlessRecursionOfTime used up energy and therefore created more borrowing energy-borrowing and perpetual debt that only resulted in Madoka becoming a bigger form of collateral, i.e. witch. Her inability to defeat Walpurgis, and Madoka's inevitable mutation into a witch, respresents her inability to repay back her accumulating compounding debt. Inevitably she will be either be forced to reverse time to create more debt, or commit suicide, or default as a witch, or have Madoka bail her out. Similarly, eventually, people in debt will borrow to pay back the previous debt, like fixing a hole with more holes, or curing cancer with more cancer. And the banks will make Credits, gotta keep making Contracts. Banks call these Bailouts from the Central Bank. Debt will be paid through credits which create debt. An Endless Recursion of Debt. This results into a cancerous vicious cycle of devaluation, inflation, high taxes, high prices, constant borrowing and perpetual debt that continues from generation to generation. [[MemeticMutation Yo dawg, I heard you like Debt, so I put some Debt in your Debt so that you can pay back Debt while you pay back Debt... with Debt. Debtception.]]
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Only a Godlike scale of force to restructure the entire financial system can save us from such a {{dystopia}}n future, as with the restructuring of the energy system by Madokami to forgive everybody's debt. Not to say that Madokami represents socialism, but rather a more honest resource-economy free of debt. The fate of the magical girls will no longer be based on the perpetual debt machine of Witchification, but rather on their capability to earn resources and capture as may demons in the real world as they can to sell to Incubators in exchange for cooperation. More like a capitalist economy.

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Only a Godlike scale of force to restructure the entire financial system can save us from such a {{dystopia}}n future, as with the restructuring of the energy system by Madokami to forgive everybody's debt. Not to say that Madokami represents socialism, but rather a more honest resource-economy economy free of debt. debt, like the gold standard or Lincoln greenbacks. The fate of the magical girls will no longer be based on the perpetual debt machine of Witchification, but rather on their individual capability to earn resources and capture as may many demons in the real world as they can to sell to Incubators in exchange for cooperation. More like a capitalist economy.

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[[DealWithTheDevil Contracts]] = [[LoanShark loans]]. The Incubators grant wishes by letting desperate girls borrow some of their energy, however in turn the girls will have to pay back more in terms of energy. Replace "girl" with "debtor" and "energy" with "money". The debt spiral that the girls are hopelessly stuck in is the same in the modern Real Life Fiat Currency Debt system. We know that Central Banks have the right to print fiat money. If the Central Banks can print fiat money to pay for everybody's debt, then how come everybody is still in unpaid debt? Because banks profit ''exactly'' out of debt. Banks are not charity to make free money.

The most lucrative business in banking is Usury, aka {{Loan shark}}ing. The lender and borrower will pledge into, well, a Contract. The lender will lend his money at first, but some time in the future force the borrower to pay back more. Interest is where the debt multiplies over time. If the borrowers can no longer pay back the interest, then bad things (bankruptcy, foreclosure, seizing your bankrupt assets as collateral, or even debt slavery) happen. Usury was like the classic tale of Faust (the basis for ''Madoka'') selling his soul to Mephistopheles in exchange to borrow temporary knowledge and power. Banks make money by making loans, by selling debt. Therefore, the banks will not just give money, they will sell the money in the form of Loan Contracts, to be loaned with interest to be repaid in the form of assets with actual value, such as labour.

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[[DealWithTheDevil Contracts]] = [[LoanShark loans]]. The Incubators grant wishes by letting desperate girls borrow some of their energy, however in turn the girls will have to pay back more in terms of energy. Replace "girl" with "debtor" and "energy" with "money". The debt spiral that the girls are hopelessly stuck in is the same in the modern Real Life Fiat Currency Debt system. Fiat, from the Latin for "Let there be" (money), is inherently worthless paper or digital money with no commodity to back it except the faith the people place on it and that we must pay our transactions and taxes through it, unlike commodity-currency systems such as the gold-silver standard. We know that Central Banks have the right to print fiat money. If the Central Banks can print fiat money to pay for everybody's debt, then how come everybody is still in unpaid debt? Because banks profit ''exactly'' out of debt. Banks are not charity to make free money.

The most lucrative business in banking is Usury, aka {{Loan shark}}ing.Money Lending. The lender and borrower will pledge into, well, a Contract. The lender will lend his money at first, but some time in the future force the borrower to pay back more. Interest is where the debt multiplies over time. If the borrowers can no longer pay back the interest, then bad things (bankruptcy, foreclosure, seizing your bankrupt assets as collateral, or even debt slavery) happen. Usury was like the classic tale of Faust (the basis for ''Madoka'') selling his soul to Mephistopheles in exchange to borrow temporary knowledge and power. Banks make money by making loans, by selling debt. Therefore, the banks will not just give money, they will sell the money in the form of Loan Contracts, to be loaned with interest to be repaid in the form of assets with actual value, such as labour.



The system enforced by Incubators is unstable due to their expectation that the girls (who obviously represent the labour of the indebted) should violate EquivalentExchange and pay back more. When they can no longer pay the Grief Seeds, they default and turned into Grief Seeds themselves to be used as collateral for the Incubators' energy requirements. Similarly, an economy based on usury, credit and Perpetual Debt is an ultimately unsustainable descent into despair because the principal, or initial money supply, will never be equal with the demands of the bank, the interest. Usury violates EquivalentExchange and disproportionately forces people to work like serfs just to repay the interest. There will always be people who despair and default because there will always be more interest than the current money supply.

Eventually, people in debt will borrow to pay back the previous debt, like fixing a hole with more holes, or curing cancer with more cancer. And the banks will make Credits, gotta keep making Contracts. Banks call these Bailouts from the Central Bank. Debt will be paid through credits which create debt. This results into a cancerous vicious cycle of devaluation, inflation, high taxes, high prices, constant borrowing and perpetual debt that continues from generation to generation. [[MemeticMutation Yo dawg, I heard you like Debt, so I put some Debt in your Debt so that you can pay back Debt while you pay back Debt... with Debt. Debtception.]] [[spoiler:Homura trying to rewind time only to make Madoka an even more destructive witch = Trying to get out of debt only to end up in even more debt.]]

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The system enforced by Incubators is unstable due to their expectation that the girls (who obviously represent the labour of the indebted) should violate EquivalentExchange and pay back more. When they can no longer pay the their requirement of Grief Seeds, they default and turned into Grief Seeds themselves to be used as collateral for the Incubators' energy requirements. Similarly, an economy based on usury, credit and Perpetual Debt is an ultimately unsustainable descent into despair because the principal, or initial money supply, will never be equal with the demands of the bank, the interest. Usury violates EquivalentExchange and disproportionately forces people to work like serfs just to repay the interest. There will always be people who despair and default because there will always be more interest than the current money supply.

Eventually, Homura tried to repay back her debts to the Incubators through her own effort so that they would not approach Madoka for a loan contract instead. However, because she still worked under the Incubators' debt system, her EndlessRecursionOfTime used up energy and therefore created more borrowing and perpetual debt that only resulted in Madoka becoming a bigger form of collateral, i.e. witch. Her inability to defeat Walpurgis, and Madoka's inevitable mutation into a witch, respresents her inability to repay back her accumulating debt. Inevitably she will be either forced to commit suicide, default as a witch, or have Madoka bail her out. Similarly, eventually, people in debt will borrow to pay back the previous debt, like fixing a hole with more holes, or curing cancer with more cancer. And the banks will make Credits, gotta keep making Contracts. Banks call these Bailouts from the Central Bank. Debt will be paid through credits which create debt. An Endless Recursion of Debt. This results into a cancerous vicious cycle of devaluation, inflation, high taxes, high prices, constant borrowing and perpetual debt that continues from generation to generation. [[MemeticMutation Yo dawg, I heard you like Debt, so I put some Debt in your Debt so that you can pay back Debt while you pay back Debt... with Debt. Debtception.]] [[spoiler:Homura trying to rewind time only to make Madoka an even more destructive witch = Trying to get out of debt only to end up in even more debt.]]
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Entire superpowers such as the United States of America are in foreign and war debt in the trillions, threatening the collapse of the dollar. America's debt now exceeds 100% of its GDP, and multiplying, which means that they will never be able to pay back those debts. Ever. If the dollar crashes due to RidiculousFutureInflation, it will bring other economies down with it. Perpetual Debt will eventually a Malthusian population catastrophe where starving people will no longer have a lot of children because there will no longer be enough resources to pay for the debt. Despair and war for resources will be rife. The suicide of human civilization, all because of a dishonest form of currency. The Debt [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Nemesis]]. This apocalyptic future of DespairEventHorizon is what [[spoiler:Kriemhild Gretchen]] represents. Only a Godlike scale of force to restructure the entire financial system can save us from such a {{dystopia}}n future [[spoiler:as with the restructuring of the energy system by Madokami]].

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Entire superpowers such as the United States of America are in foreign and war debt in the trillions, threatening the collapse of the dollar. America's debt now exceeds 100% of its GDP, and multiplying, which means that they will never be able to pay back those debts. Ever. If the dollar crashes due to RidiculousFutureInflation, it will bring other economies down with it. Perpetual Debt will eventually a Malthusian population catastrophe where starving people will no longer have a lot of children because there will no longer be enough resources to pay for the debt. Despair and war for resources will be rife. The suicide of human civilization, all because of a dishonest form of currency. The Debt [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Nemesis]]. This apocalyptic future of DespairEventHorizon is what [[spoiler:Kriemhild Gretchen]] Kriemhild Gretchen represents. However, the central bankers on the other hand are too big to fail. Kyubey got his energy quota. The Rothschilds and other plutocrats at the top of the debt machine, along with sane people such as Chinese investors who knew what was going on, bought up 80% of the gold supply.

Only a Godlike scale of force to restructure the entire financial system can save us from such a {{dystopia}}n future [[spoiler:as future, as with the restructuring of the energy system by Madokami]].
Madokami to forgive everybody's debt. Not to say that Madokami represents socialism, but rather a more honest resource-economy free of debt. The fate of the magical girls will no longer be based on the perpetual debt machine of Witchification, but rather on their capability to earn resources and capture as may demons in the real world as they can to sell to Incubators in exchange for cooperation. More like a capitalist economy.

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The system enforced by Incubators is unstable due to their expectation that the girls (who obviously represent the labour of the indebted) should violate EquivalentExchange and pay back more. When they can no longer pay the Grief Seeds, they default and turned into Grief Seeds themselves to be used as collateral for the Incubators' energy requirements. Similarly, an economy based on usury, credit and Perpetual Debt is an ultimately unsustainable descent into despair because the principal, or initial money supply, will never be equal with the demands of the bank, the interest. Usury violates EquivalentExchange and disproportionately forces people to work like serfs just to repay the interest. Eventually, people in debt will borrow to pay back the previous debt, like fixing a hole with more holes, or curing cancer with more cancer. And the banks will make Credits, gotta keep making Contracts. Banks call these Bailouts from the Central Bank. Debt will be paid through credits which create debt. This results into a cancerous vicious cycle of devaluation, inflation, high taxes, high prices, constant borrowing and perpetual debt that continues from generation to generation. [[MemeticMutation Yo dawg, I heard you like Debt, so I put some Debt in your Debt so that you can pay back Debt while you pay back Debt... with Debt. Debtception.]] [[spoiler:Homura trying to rewind time only to make Madoka an even more destructive witch = Trying to get out of debt only to end up in even more debt.]]

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The system enforced by Incubators is unstable due to their expectation that the girls (who obviously represent the labour of the indebted) should violate EquivalentExchange and pay back more. When they can no longer pay the Grief Seeds, they default and turned into Grief Seeds themselves to be used as collateral for the Incubators' energy requirements. Similarly, an economy based on usury, credit and Perpetual Debt is an ultimately unsustainable descent into despair because the principal, or initial money supply, will never be equal with the demands of the bank, the interest. Usury violates EquivalentExchange and disproportionately forces people to work like serfs just to repay the interest. There will always be people who despair and default because there will always be more interest than the current money supply.

Eventually, people in debt will borrow to pay back the previous debt, like fixing a hole with more holes, or curing cancer with more cancer. And the banks will make Credits, gotta keep making Contracts. Banks call these Bailouts from the Central Bank. Debt will be paid through credits which create debt. This results into a cancerous vicious cycle of devaluation, inflation, high taxes, high prices, constant borrowing and perpetual debt that continues from generation to generation. [[MemeticMutation Yo dawg, I heard you like Debt, so I put some Debt in your Debt so that you can pay back Debt while you pay back Debt... with Debt. Debtception.]] [[spoiler:Homura trying to rewind time only to make Madoka an even more destructive witch = Trying to get out of debt only to end up in even more debt.]]



Entire superpowers such as the United States of America are in foreign and war debt in the trillions, threatening the collapse of the dollar. America's debt now exceeds 100% of its GDP, and multiplying, which means that they will never be able to pay back those debts. Ever. If the dollar crashes due to RidiculousFutureInflation, it will bring other economies down with it. Perpetual Debt will eventually a Malthusian population catastrophe where starving people can no longer have a lot of children because there is no longer enough resources to pay for the debt. Despair and war for resources will be rife. The suicide of human civilization, all because of a dishonest form of currency. The Debt [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Nemesis]]. This apocalyptic future of DespairEventHorizon is what [[spoiler:Kriemhild Gretchen]] represents. Only a Godlike scale of force to restructure the entire financial system can save us from such a {{dystopia}}n future [[spoiler:as with the restructuring of the energy system by Madokami]].

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Entire superpowers such as the United States of America are in foreign and war debt in the trillions, threatening the collapse of the dollar. America's debt now exceeds 100% of its GDP, and multiplying, which means that they will never be able to pay back those debts. Ever. If the dollar crashes due to RidiculousFutureInflation, it will bring other economies down with it. Perpetual Debt will eventually a Malthusian population catastrophe where starving people can will no longer have a lot of children because there is will no longer be enough resources to pay for the debt. Despair and war for resources will be rife. The suicide of human civilization, all because of a dishonest form of currency. The Debt [[Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann Spiral Nemesis]]. This apocalyptic future of DespairEventHorizon is what [[spoiler:Kriemhild Gretchen]] represents. Only a Godlike scale of force to restructure the entire financial system can save us from such a {{dystopia}}n future [[spoiler:as with the restructuring of the energy system by Madokami]].

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