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25th Apr '16 10:02:21 AM GrigorII
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[[WMG:Charlie Brown will kill Sally and the little red haired girl someday]]

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[[WMG:Charlie Brown will kill Sally and the little red haired girl Linus someday]]



Sounds crazy? See [[https://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/peanuts_by_frank_miller_4.jpg here]]!

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Sounds crazy? See [[https://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/peanuts_by_frank_miller_4.jpg here]] and [[http://orig15.deviantart.net/dd71/f/2009/066/3/2/32f4a3507223695635a1b18c4b034dff.jpg here]]!

[[WMG:Alternatively, Charlie Brown is Kevin]]
See [[http://supercluster-hong.deviantart.com/art/Charlie-Brown-59907755
here]]!
25th Apr '16 9:51:45 AM GrigorII
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[[WMG:Charlie Brown will kill Sally and the little red haired girl someday]]
It will be after moving to ComicBook/SinCity, growing up, and losing his neverending optimism in the process.

Sounds crazy? See [[https://latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/peanuts_by_frank_miller_4.jpg here]]!
25th Apr '16 7:38:13 AM GrigorII
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* Hm. Tonight, a kite-eating tree was cut in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows.
17th Mar '16 3:25:36 AM GrammarNavi
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* In the immortal words of Ben Harper from ''MyFamily'', after telling his wife that the father of their daughter's baby was named Keanu Brown: "With the number of Browns there are in the phone book, it should keep your mother off your back until the baby's first steps. ...Heaven help the boy if there really is a Keanu Brown." It's a common surname, so assuming any Brown is related to any other Brown is pretty chancy.

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* In the immortal words of Ben Harper from ''MyFamily'', ''Series/MyFamily'', after telling his wife that the father of their daughter's baby was named Keanu Brown: "With the number of Browns there are in the phone book, it should keep your mother off your back until the baby's first steps. ...Heaven help the boy if there really is a Keanu Brown." It's a common surname, so assuming any Brown is related to any other Brown is pretty chancy.
17th Jan '16 6:40:49 PM WhatArtThee
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[[WMG: Lucy is a Time Lord and her psychiatry booth is her TARDIS]]
* Come on! Why else would it say ''The Doctor'' is in?
2nd Jan '16 2:00:28 AM DCfanboyOfTheFLASH
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* Both parts of this Wild Mass Guess were confirmed in [[WesternAnimation The Peanuts Movie]]
14th Nov '15 11:43:22 PM Soufriere
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[[WMG: Alternatively, all the adults have a disease.]]
In this universe, it's common for adults to have a throat disease that results in their voices sounding this way. The disease is so common that all the kids have gotten used to it, and they can understand the grown ups even though we can't.



* Patty--speaking to her friend--makes an obliquely-slangy remark which (in effect) compares Marcie to Billie Jean King. (Who she ''does'' kinda look like.) BTW Charles Schulz (a straight among straights) was good friends with King in RealLife. Which is suspicious, because Charles Schulz '''never had''' friends.
* It's made clear that they also like Charlie Brown. They even have pet names for him: Marcie calls him "Charles", Peppermint Patty calls him "Chuck".

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* Patty--speaking to her friend--makes an obliquely-slangy remark which (in effect) compares Marcie to Billie Jean King. King (Who she ''does'' kinda look like.) like). BTW Charles Schulz (a straight among straights) was good friends with King in RealLife. Which is suspicious, because Charles Schulz '''never had''' friends.
* It's made clear that they also both like Charlie Brown. They even have pet names for him: Marcie calls him "Charles", Peppermint Patty calls him "Chuck".



*** It's [[Tropers/EvilMidnightLurker my]] firm belief that, six to ten years in their nebulous future, Charlie Brown will wake up one morning and realize that [[OT3 (a) last night wasn't a dream, (b) those really are Peppermint Patty snuggled up to one side of him and Marcie snuggled up to the other, (c) this is pretty much the way it's going to be from now on, and]][[EarnYourHappyEnding (d) all the suckiness of his preteen years was totally worth it.]]

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*** It's [[Tropers/EvilMidnightLurker my]] firm belief that, six to ten years in their nebulous future, Charlie Brown will wake up one morning and realize that [[OT3 (a) last night wasn't a dream, (b) those really are Peppermint Patty snuggled up to one side of him and Marcie snuggled up to the other, (c) this is pretty much the way it's going to be from now on, and]][[EarnYourHappyEnding and]] [[EarnYourHappyEnding (d) all the suckiness of his preteen years was totally worth it.]]



* In that case, the Valentine's Day special makes Linus into a horrible person. Charlie Brown says he can't remember anything about the night before and Linus says that he danced with the Red Haired Girl all night...that's horrible!

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* In that case, the Valentine's Day [[strike:Valentine's Day]] Homecoming special makes Linus into a horrible person. Charlie Brown says he can't remember anything about the night before and Linus says that he danced with the Red Haired Girl all night...that's horrible!horrible!
** Schulz declared that special non-canon. Sure he said that the cartoons in general "don't count", but ''It's Your First Kiss'' is the only one that ''really'' goes against the strip to the point he had to say something.



* And (linked to on the Heartwarming page) Peppermint Patty met her once.

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* And (linked to on the Heartwarming page) and Tearjerker pages) Peppermint Patty met her once.



* Just to screw with Charlie Brown's head.
** And with us, the readers... The only thing that would be half a mile away from proof would be that [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech Speech]] he gave. And then again, motives ARE important.

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* Just to screw with Charlie Brown's head.
** * And with us, the readers... The only thing that would be half a mile away from proof would be that [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech Speech]] he gave. And then again, motives ARE important.
** Yeah, unfortunately for this theory, there was that series of strips in 1977 where Peppermint Patty met the Little Red Haired Girl face-to-face and recounted the story ''to Linus''.
















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* Was the lemonade ever any good?



** [[strike:Eugenics]] Genetics, just like her older brother.



** [[strike: Eugenics]] Genetics, just like her older brother.
* Schulz was born in the Twin Cities, which is known for... German Americans, including himself. This is why most surnames in Peanuts are either German or Dutch.

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** [[strike: Eugenics]] Genetics, Eh, technically Patty (the original) has blonde hair too; it's just like her older brother.
a sort of strawberry-blonde.
* Schulz was born in the Twin Cities, UsefulNotes/TheTwinCities, which like the rest of that region is known for... German Americans, people of Germanic ancestry, including himself. This is why most surnames in Peanuts are either German or Dutch.
* Have you ever seen naturally-true-blond (i.e. with no other colours mixed in) kids when they're little? Before they hit puberty, their hair is just a couple shades off of albino. There's even a name for it: "Towhead". Now as these kids get older, their hair almost always darkens to some degree or another depending on genetics.
** Fun Fact: Northern Europeans are by far the most likely (as in, pretty much the ONLY) racial group to have blond hair. In a place like the upper-Midwest and Northern Great Plains, which is made up chiefly of descendents of immigrants from that part of the world, kids with hair like the Browns' or Schroeder's is not uncommon… and was probably standard back in the 20's-30's when Schulz grew up there (before people from different ethnic/racial backgrounds moved in and diversified the gene pool).



** But one year, Sally and her friend Eudora waited for the Great Pumpkin (they didn't see him) and Linus and Charlie Brown didn't. Does that mean that Linus and Charlie Brown actually saw the Great Pumpkin, then?

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** * But one year, Sally and her friend Eudora waited for the Great Pumpkin (they didn't see him) and Linus and Charlie Brown didn't. Does that mean that Linus and Charlie Brown actually saw the Great Pumpkin, then?



[[WMG: Frieda is the little red-haired girl]]
Frieda, for those of you who don't know, was a [[BrotherChuck brother chucked]] minor character who was very proud of her naturally curly red hair. It could be that, after she was introduced, Charlie Brown developed a crush on her, and wanted to tell everyone about how LoveHurts and etc., but he didn't want to say the name of the girl he liked to avoid embarassment. So, to subtly hint that it was Frieda, he refered to her as "The Little Red-Haired Girl", since refering to her as the "Naturally Curly-Haired Girl" would be way to obvious. That also explains why Charlie Brown seems to be almost 100% sure that she doesn't like him back, because a few strips have shown that Frieda has a crush on Schroeder.

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[[WMG: Frieda is the little red-haired girl]]
Frieda, for those of you who don't know, was a [[BrotherChuck brother chucked]] minor character who was very proud of her naturally curly red hair. It could be that, after she was introduced, Charlie Brown developed a crush on her, and wanted to tell everyone about how LoveHurts and etc., but he didn't want to say the name of the girl he liked to avoid embarassment. embarrassment. So, to subtly hint that it was Frieda, he refered to her as "The Little Red-Haired Girl", since refering referring to her as the "Naturally Curly-Haired Girl" would be way to too obvious. That also explains why Charlie Brown seems to be almost 100% sure that she doesn't like him back, because a few strips have shown that Frieda has a crush on Schroeder.






*** Times change. For those of us who grew up with Peanuts in the '50-through-early-'70s, you remember: being a boy who was ''friendly'' to girls made you (at least) sissy, and probably queer. Also: see next entry.

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*** Times change. For those of us who grew up with Peanuts in the '50-through-early-'70s, you remember: remember – being a boy who was ''friendly'' to girls made you (at least) sissy, and probably queer. Also: see next entry.



This is a LighterAndSofter version of ''TheSimpsons'' "Treehouse of Horror" short a few years ago, where the Great Pumpkin {{Expy}} becomes enraged at the idea of Jack-O-Lanterns, pumpkin bread, and roasted pumpkin seeds. It also explains why he never shows up.

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This is a LighterAndSofter version of ''TheSimpsons'' ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'' "Treehouse of Horror" short a few years ago, where the Great Pumpkin {{Expy}} becomes enraged at the idea of Jack-O-Lanterns, pumpkin bread, and roasted pumpkin seeds. It also explains why he never shows up.



[[WMG: On [[ItsTheGreatPumpkinCharlieBrown Halloween]], Charlie Brown dressed up as [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} Rorschach]] ]]
[[http://cheezburger.com/faerdin/lolz/View/2802836992 Here's the proof.]] Exactly why Charlie Brown would dress up Rorschach has yet to be explained, however.

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[[WMG: On [[ItsTheGreatPumpkinCharlieBrown [[WesternAnimation/ItsTheGreatPumpkinCharlieBrown Halloween]], Charlie Brown dressed up as [[ComicBook/{{Watchmen}} Rorschach]] ]]
[[http://cheezburger.com/faerdin/lolz/View/2802836992 Here's the proof.]] Exactly why Charlie Brown would dress up as Rorschach has yet to be explained, however.



You may recall Creator/GrantMorrison and his claim that in his book ''ComicBook/TheInvisibles'', his author avatar got lucky as part of a magical working to bring him similar... luck. The entirety of ''{{Peanuts}}'' is a reversal of that working.

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You may recall Creator/GrantMorrison and his claim that in his book ''ComicBook/TheInvisibles'', his author avatar got lucky as part of a magical working to bring him similar... luck. The entirety of ''{{Peanuts}}'' ''Peanuts'' is a reversal of that working.



[[WMG: The Great Pumpkin is [[WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas Jack Skellington...]]]]

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[[WMG: The Great Pumpkin is [[WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas Jack Skellington...]]]]Skellington]]…]]



[[WMG: Marcie grew up to be Honey from Doonesbury.]]
Marcie was born in China and given the name Hua Ni. When her parents immigrated to America, her name was changed to Marcie so she'd have an easier time fitting in. She was smart and friendly and good at learning languages. (She learned English, Mandarin and French fluently before age 10) It would explain why her family never celebrated Easter and why she made egg drop soup when Peppermint Patty told her to cook the eggs. In adolescence, Marcie was bitterly disappointed in her unreturned love for Charlie Brown. She moved back to China and went back to her birth name and got a job as a translator. She met Uncle Duke, who pronounced her name as "Honey". Honey looks like an adult Marcie with dark, jaw length hair and thick glasses. She is unfailingly polite, calling Duke "sir" constantly, but having occasional outbursts when her sense of right and wrong is challenged. Unfortunately for her, her love for Uncle Duke will end as tragically as it did for Charlie Brown, if not more so.
** I always thought that Marcie might be Chinese for some odd reason, too (but I don't read ''Doonesbury'').
** I thought of the Marcie/Honey connection decades ago -- it doesn't hurt that both Marcie's and Honey's cohorts are CloudCuckooLanders, and both character pairs resided in locales removed from their strips' ''main'' settings. (And of course, the "sir" bit clinches it!)

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[[WMG: Marcie grew up to be Honey from Doonesbury.''ComicStrip/{{Doonesbury}}''.]]
Marcie was born in China and given the name Hua Ni. When her parents immigrated to America, her name was changed to Marcie so she'd have an easier time fitting in. She was smart and friendly and good at learning languages. (She learned English, Mandarin Mandarin, and French fluently before age 10) It would explain why her family never celebrated Easter and why she made egg drop soup when Peppermint Patty told her to cook the eggs. In adolescence, Marcie was bitterly disappointed in her unreturned love for Charlie Brown. She moved back to China and went back to her birth name and got a job as a translator. She met Uncle Duke, who pronounced her name as "Honey". Honey looks like an adult Marcie with dark, jaw length hair and thick glasses. She is unfailingly polite, calling Duke "sir" constantly, but having occasional outbursts when her sense of right and wrong is challenged. Unfortunately for her, her love for Uncle Duke will end as tragically as it did for Charlie Brown, if not more so.
** * I always thought that Marcie might be Chinese for some odd reason, too (but I don't read ''Doonesbury'').
** I thought of the Marcie/Honey connection decades ago -- it doesn't hurt that both Marcie's and Honey's cohorts are CloudCuckooLanders, CloudCuckoolanders, and both character pairs resided in locales removed from their strips' ''main'' settings. (And of course, the "sir" bit clinches it!)




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* Why 1942? It's pretty clear the kids were a bit younger in the early 50's (Charlie Brown could barely read, for one), so it's more likely they'd have been born in 1945 or 1946.



** Sally may not have dyed her hair dark; it may have just darkened naturally as she aged.



[[WMG: One day Charlie Brown will [[EarnYourHappyEnding Earn His Happy Ending.]]]]

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[[WMG: One day Charlie Brown will [[EarnYourHappyEnding Earn His Happy Ending.]]]]Ending]].]]



He gets along fine w/ some; others, not so much. Obsessed with Beethoven and his piano. Likes being around all the dancing fun, but doesn't dance, just plays DJ. Possible savant. Plus, Schulz has already recognized mental irregularity (Lucy's psychiatry stand), which was pretty advanced for its time. In Schroeder, he's shown children that differently-abled citizens can be fun, productive, highly-skilled pals.

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He gets along fine w/ with some; others, not so much. Obsessed with Beethoven and his piano. Likes being around all the dancing fun, but doesn't dance, just plays DJ. Possible savant. Plus, Schulz has already recognized mental irregularity (Lucy's psychiatry stand), which was pretty advanced for its time. In Schroeder, he's shown children that differently-abled citizens can be fun, productive, highly-skilled pals.






** Considering that Snoopy is a non-human who behaves like a human, has lived in several different eras, knows a number of historically-noteworthy people, is far more intelligent than he appears, has a constant Companion, and lives in a shelter that's bigger inside than outside...Holy Rassilon, Snoopy is the [[Series/DoctorWho Fourteenth Doctor]]!

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** * Considering that Snoopy is a non-human who behaves like a human, has lived in several different eras, knows a number of historically-noteworthy people, is far more intelligent than he appears, has a constant Companion, and lives in a shelter that's bigger inside than outside...Holy Rassilon, Snoopy is the [[Series/DoctorWho Fourteenth Doctor]]!



We never actually see the interior, except in animation. Only once, in a very early strip, do we see several kids going in/coming out. Later, Peppermint Patty's head sticks out the door. The exceptional size and elaborate furninshings of the doghouse's interior could easily be part of Snoopy's fantasies that somehow get the kids involved.

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We never actually see the interior, except in animation. Only once, in a very early strip, do we see several kids going in/coming out. Later, Peppermint Patty's head sticks out the door. The exceptional size and elaborate furninshings furnishings of the doghouse's interior could easily be part of Snoopy's fantasies that somehow get the kids involved.



The strip hit the peak of its popularity in the sixties. Linus was very deep, intelligent, poetic, wise beyond his years and even a bit [[CloudCuckoolander "out there"]] at times. He was almost always relaxed and at peace with himself. He believed in an imaginary pumpkin. He even briefly wore [[LennonSpecs John Lennon-style glasses]] as early as 1962. Not to mention that the specials produced during this period [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs tend to feature psychadelic imagery]].

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The strip hit the peak of its popularity in the sixties. Linus was very deep, intelligent, poetic, wise beyond his years years, and even a bit [[CloudCuckoolander "out there"]] at times. He was almost always relaxed and at peace with himself. He believed in an imaginary pumpkin. He even briefly wore [[LennonSpecs John Lennon-style glasses]] as early as 1962. Not to mention that the specials produced during this period [[WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs tend to feature psychadelic imagery]].




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* Peak of its popularity from a critical standpoint in hindsight, perhaps, but the ''actual'' peak of the series' popularity was almost certainly in the 70's or 80's, when the vast majority of the films and TV specials were made.





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\n* The canon on this one is extremely muddled, a rarity for this series. It's plausible, though. Ms. Othmar could just be a different teacher in Charlie Brown's grade. This of course ignores the (not-canon) cartoons that put all of the gang in the same class.
* [[AC:Fun Fact]]: As a kid, Charles Schulz was deemed 'gifted' by his school and skipped ahead two grades… without his consent. Having to constantly be around kids who were much bigger and more emotionally developed than him pretty much destroyed his psychological well-being and gave him the inferiority complex that would haunt him for the rest of his life.



Charlie Brown: When he kicks a stack of hats, they all land on his head. When Lucy pulls the football away, he goes flying, implying an awful lot of force. His power: Super Kick.
Alternatively, he emits a failure aura. This is why his team loses if he's there, but wins if he isn't- they're actually a good team, but they must lose because of Charlie Brown's aura. Obviously, it diminishes with distance, and affects Charlie Brown most, which is why he is the one who fails.

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Charlie Brown: When he kicks a stack of hats, they all land on his head. When Lucy pulls the football away, he goes flying, implying an awful lot of force. His power: Super Kick.
Alternatively,
Kick. …Alternatively, he emits a failure aura. This is why his team loses if he's there, but wins if he isn't- isn't – they're actually a good team, but they must ''must'' lose because of Charlie Brown's aura. Obviously, it diminishes with distance, and affects Charlie Brown most, which is why he is the one who fails.



Peppermint Patty: an adolescent, female ''spiderman'' analogue.

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Peppermint Patty: an adolescent, female ''spiderman'' ''Spiderman'' analogue.



* Similar first names.
* A magazine article stated that Charlie Brown's father is a barber just like Schulz's father. [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oLuuvfUos2E/Tf5lG6PhveI/AAAAAAAAC-Y/D0DhLQjauFg/s1600/peanutsviolet.jpg Also confirmed in the comic strips.]]

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* Similar first names.
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names. Also, A magazine article stated that Charlie Brown's father is a barber just like Schulz's father. [[http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-oLuuvfUos2E/Tf5lG6PhveI/AAAAAAAAC-Y/D0DhLQjauFg/s1600/peanutsviolet.jpg Also confirmed in the comic strips.]]
* Although they may be similar in personality, Charlie Brown was actually named after one of Schulz's coworkers at the Art Instruction School (with permission). Ironically, the real Charlie Brown was, according to Schulz, the life of any party. That "Charles Brown" is about as [[TheEveryman everyman]] a name as you can get doesn't hurt either.



** There's also the cases of Lucy and Shcroeder. When they're introduced, both of them are toddlers whom the older Charlie Brown tries to take care of sometimes. They age rapidly until they are about Charlie Brown's age, and once again are in his grade at school.

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** There's also the cases of Lucy and Shcroeder.Schroeder. When they're introduced, both of them are toddlers whom the older Charlie Brown tries to take care of sometimes. They age rapidly until they are about Charlie Brown's age, and once again are in his grade at school.



** When we bring Linus in on the comparison, it gets even clearer. Linus is introduced in 1952 as a baby, but like Sally after him, he ages faster than the older kids like Charlie Brown. In 1959 he's about five -- which we know because [[http://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1959/06/10 this strip from shortly after Sally's birth]]. Since Charlie Brown is about four when Linus is born and about six when Sally is born, the only way Linus can be five years older than Sally is if he's been aging faster than Charlie Brown.

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** When we bring Linus in on the comparison, it gets even clearer. Linus is introduced in 1952 as a baby, but like Sally after him, he ages faster than the older kids like Charlie Brown. In 1959 he's about five -- which we know because [[http://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1959/06/10 this strip from shortly after Sally's birth]]. birth.]] Since Charlie Brown is about four when Linus is born and about six when Sally is born, the only way Linus can be five years older than Sally is if he's been aging faster than Charlie Brown.



** This is confirmed. Charlie Brown has mentioned several times that his father is a barber, and WordOfGod has stated that he's not bald, but has very light, short, blonde hair.

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** * This is confirmed. Charlie Brown has mentioned several times that his father is a barber, and WordOfGod has stated that he's not bald, but instead has very light, very short, blonde hair.




Usually, when a girl is mean to a guy, she usually has a crush on him. And look at the times where Lucy is actually nice to Charlie Brown, she just doesn't know her true feelings for him yet.

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\nUsually, Often, when a little girl is mean to a guy, little boy, it means she usually has a crush on him. And look at the times where Lucy is actually nice to Charlie Brown, she just doesn't know her true feelings for him yet.
* Schulz of course never confirmed this – [[ToyShip his characters are around eight years old after all]], even if they don't talk like it – but it's at least plausible. After all, whenever something truly bad (as in life-threatening) happens to Charlie Brown, Lucy becomes a nervous wreck.




In her early appearances, one of the most common gags was for her to yell at Charlie Brown to leave and never come back, but then invite him in/to stay as if she hadn't said anything. Since she identified as Charlie Brown's girl friend at the time, she was imitating her mother yelling at her father to leave, since she thought that's what you were supposed to say to somebody you love.

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\nIn her early appearances, one of the most common gags was for her to yell at Charlie Brown to leave and never come back, but then invite him in/to stay as if she hadn't said anything. Since she identified as Charlie Brown's girl friend girl-friend at the time, she was imitating her mother yelling at her father to leave, since she thought that's what you were supposed to say to somebody you love.love.

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14th Nov '15 10:04:36 PM ConMan1226
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[[WMG: Alternatively, all the adults have a disease.]]
In this universe, it's common for adults to have a throat disease that results in their voices sounding this way. The disease is so common that all the kids have gotten used to it, and they can understand the grown ups even though we can't.
14th Nov '15 4:35:55 PM nombretomado
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* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' [[Main/ItsBeenDone Did It]].
** MAD did it ''long'' before ''Family Guy'' (or ''RobotChicken'').

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* ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'' [[Main/ItsBeenDone [[ItsBeenDone Did It]].
** MAD did it ''long'' before ''Family Guy'' (or ''RobotChicken'').''WesternAnimation/RobotChicken'').
18th Oct '15 2:09:41 AM rotheryAM
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* Which is rather unfortunate because the dramatic irony's just too much to not let it be my headcanon. She's pretty much the only one on the baseball team who doesn't berate him--suggesting at the very least that she's legitimate friend alongside Linus. And there's an arc in the '70s where the Little Red-Haired Girl moves away, and Frieda stops appearing around the same time.
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