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9th Jun '16 6:50:12 PM rjd1922
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9th Jun '16 6:49:57 PM rjd1922
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* I think that the message was that good deeds ''don't'' always help you, but that's no reason to not help people.

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* I think that the message was that good deeds ''don't'' always help you, but that's no reason to not help people. After all, "'''don't pay it back''', pay it forward."
14th Apr '16 5:26:21 PM rjd1922
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* I think that the message was that good deeds ''don't'' always help you, but that's no reason to not help people.
26th May '15 10:30:42 PM benda
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* All in all, the fact persists - he had made some absolutely self-centered and selfish people do something substantial for the others - probably for the first time in their life. That's the greatest miracle which proves that his deeds were not in vain.
19th Jun '14 3:35:09 PM eroock
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[[WMG: PayItForward's BrokenAesop is intentional.]]

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[[WMG: PayItForward's Film/PayItForward's BrokenAesop is intentional.]]
22nd Jan '13 5:57:18 AM MartialArtsMaster
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* So the real lesson is, "be self-absorbed, because other people don't count?" I prefer idealism if the alternative is embracing outright ''selfishness'' as a "way of life". Not every situation will turn out identically, you just have to be careful about who you choose to help and think it through first.
9th Feb '11 6:37:40 PM MagFlare
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* My God. I... I think I ''like'' the film now. '''[[BigNo Noooooooooooooooo!]]'''
17th Jan '11 9:00:59 PM sidakarya
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Every good deed Trevor does just ''barely'' escapes failure. The homeless man relapses into his drug habit; his mother's and Eugene's relationship turns sour not long after Trevor brings them together, and then fails ''again'' as her ex-husband comes back; and shortly after ''that'', the ex-husband becomes abusive again. Trevor only succeeds due to what appear to be very calculated plot points, and ''then'' with tons of angst on his part.

Also, why do [[spoiler:the bullies who murder Trevor, by all indication, got off scot-free? Not only that, but those people who allegedly "pay it forward" like Trevor ''for some reason'' don't do a bloody thing against them (possibly out of fright? apathy?). And what's worse, it's quite likely that many of Trevor's deeds are bound to be undone; for example, his mother might well become alcoholic again, due to grief from her son's death, which then turns their new relationship bad again, and so on.]]

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Every good deed Trevor does just ''barely'' escapes failure. The homeless man relapses into his drug habit; his mother's and Eugene's relationship turns sour not long after Trevor brings them together, and then fails ''again'' as her ex-husband comes back; and shortly after ''that'', the ex-husband becomes abusive again. Trevor only succeeds due to what appear to be very calculated plot points, and ''then'' with tons of angst on his part.

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Also, why do [[spoiler:the bullies who murder Trevor, by all indication, got off scot-free? Not only that, but those people who allegedly "pay it forward" like Trevor ''for some reason'' don't do a bloody thing against them (possibly out of fright? fright of being killed? apathy?). And what's worse, it's quite likely that many of Trevor's deeds are bound to be undone; for example, his mother might well become alcoholic again, due to grief from her son's death, which then turns their new relationship bad again, and so on.]]
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Also also, the very premise of "pay it forward", as noted in the BrokenAesop entry, can mislead people into thinking that they only need to help people if someone has helped you, and after the quota of three people they don't need to help anyone else again. Who started this project? [[WideEyedIdealist Trevor, of course]]—and ''he's'' the only one who started helping people ''a priori''. A lot of people might have taken it up only for self-centered reasons, and didn't bother to continue the project because they had their own more important shit to do (which may explain why [[spoiler: they never bothered to bring the bullies to justice]])



* Good deeds only work up to a limited scale. Beyond that, they're bound to backfire and hurt you;

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* Good [[HumansAreBastards People don't help other people for sincere reasons]];
* If you ''are'' sincere, your good
deeds only work up to a limited scale. Beyond that, they're are bound to backfire and hurt you;



* All the good you do doesn't stop [[TheBadGuyWins the bad guys from winning]];

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* All the good you do doesn't stop [[TheBadGuyWins [[KarmaHoudini the bad guys from winning]];
17th Jan '11 8:47:29 PM sidakarya
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17th Jan '11 8:42:57 PM sidakarya
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Also also, the very premise of "pay it forward" can imply, as noted in the BrokenAesop entry, that you only need to help people if someone has helped you, and after your quota of three people you don't need to help anyone else again. Who started this project? Trevor, of course—and ''he's'' the only one who started helping people ''a priori''. For all we know, people might have taken it up only out of self-centered and self-inflating motives, and didn't bother to continue the project because they had their own more important shit to do.



* [[HumansAreBastards People don't help others for sincere reasons]];
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