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* In Night and Silence [[spoiler: When tobi questions her about the thin blooded she brings up the War with the Merlins as a reason she doesn't dabble in anti-fae charms. this is the first time in all the books marcia ever gets defensive about tobi asking questions. She mentions about the war with the merlins as if she was there but the war with the merlins must've happened more than 100 years ago. Why would that be mentioned as a huge enough event?]]
* In A Killing Frost [[spoiler: She manages to convince Goldengreens defenses/wards to shunt anyone coming from the coveside entrance to the Eiras original hallway. She managed to hide there from Simon who was using Eiras blood to fuel his magic spells which should have let him attune to Goldengreen enough to track her down. When the Luidaeg asked her how she gained access to Goldengreen's defences her answer was since she was the seneschal to Goldengreens count she can use that to ask the knowe to help her out but Dean was still alive.]]
* Also [[spoiler: She was somewhat injured with a split lip and brown spots on her skirt when toby and the Luidaeg found her in that hallway. But, Simon was attacking with transformation and no blood was spilled in the courtyard otherwise toby would have picked it up. She said dean told her to run when simon attacked but would she really abandon her liege and friends to Simons spells? Quintin was certain that no one was left alive in Goldengreen and even saw her in the courtyard and he was with Simon for the entire attack. ]]
* [[spoiler: She knew which tree was dean despite toby not being able to recognize them based on that. How did she know which tree dean became? She must've seen his transformation. ]]
* [[spoiler: So i think she *was* turned into a tree but due to her nature it broke the transformation (which was so strong that even *toby* couldn't see the magic and required one of the firstborn to break). The Luidaeg also noted that Marcia shouldn't feel guilty about not being able to stop Simon since even *her own mother*(Maeve) couldn't have stopped him and she literally can't lie. ]]
* [[spoiler: when simon apologized to her about his actions she made a statement about inability to tell right and wrong doesn't mean she goes around turning people who aren't her allies into trees. Tobi noted that Simon looked like he wanted to point out that she couldn't due to her bloodline being as thin as it is but thought better of it. I wonder why she phrased it like that?]]
* Tobi [[spoiler: Doesn't know what fae bloodline Marcia is despite smelling her blood up close. We don't even know the elements of her magic and tobi is particularly sensitive to things like that.]]
* Since [[spoiler: Oberon completely sealed himself as human until someone found him it is possible for Oberon to do the same to Titania. It would be a fitting punishment for someone who betrayed faerie (for her and Eiras role in breaking Maeve's last ride). Making it so she stayed at the lowest rung of Fae society and only able to regain her fae nature once things are repaired/returned to balance.]]

* So this one might be a little silly, but in A Red Rose Chain, while in a forest near Portland, OR (or at least the Summerlands equivalent), Toby describes the strong scent of pine trees, and that it reminds her of Christmas trees. However forests around Portland are mostly made up of douglas fir, and douglas and noble firs are the most common trees used for Christmas trees. Other Summerlands forests tend to roughly have similar flora to their human world counterparts (redwoods in the Mists, maples in Canada). While the sheer amount of douglas fir present around Portland now is partly a result of humans replanting them after logging, even before the logging happened the forests of the area were mostly western red cedar, fir, and hemlock; pine forests are more common east of the Cascades in the high desert of central & eastern Oregon, and west along the coast, not in the Willamette Valley. It might just be a case of authors assuming [[MisplacedVegetation every evergreen is a pine]], but given how much emphasis is put on Toby's ability to identify and distinguish scents in the same book, it seems like an odd thing to mess up.

* Fand is a possiblity - an early Irish sea goddess
* Not to be confused with Fland, a lake goddess who liked drowing people. Could be linked to the comment above about the Lady of the Lake.

* Toby sees someone with Amadine's hair and figure who runs from her at [[spoiler: Jan's funeral.]] Except it wasn't Amadine, it was [[spoiler: August, Toby's half sister. Half Dochas Sidhe and half Doine Sidhe, it would be easy to mistake her for Amadine at a distance.]]

[[spoiler: Partially Confirmed in A Killing Frost. Oberon sealed himself and became a human who is Officer Peter Thornton. The Ludawig was not involved in that and in fact didnt know despite having him sleeping in her apartment for months.]]

* Marcia has had alot of mystery surrounding her origins, history, and abilities. She is just a thin-blooded changeling but several things about her just dont make sense.
* In A Late Eclipse she mentions offhandedly how her family doesnt even acknowledge her.

* In A Winter Long [[spoiler: She appears to be completely unconcerned when Evening is attacking goldengreen despite Evening sealing the wards at goldengreen despite Dean being inside at the time and Evening already killed multiple members of Goldengreens denizens. Also she completely No-selled Evenings Knockdown spell that hit literally everyone else from goldengreen. There is no way Evening deliberately ignored marcia when launching that spell. Especially considering how Evening feels about 'Filthy changelings' and how I don't think Evening is bound against all descendants of oberon like her sister is against the descendants of titania so her magic should have affected her even if she was descended from oberon.]]

* Even [[spoiler:Amphitritie]] and the Ludawig noticed something is off about her. Marcia was able to enter the room with 2 firstborn and act pretty normal (even talking back to Captain Pete). Captain pete outright asked her about who she is since there is *something* off about her. Toby interrupted before pete could press Marcia further.
* She is able to resist the sirens call of the selkie skin despite being a thin-blooded changeling and as close to the sea without being in it. Toby had difficulty resisting it and she was mostly fae. When the ludawig asked her about it her reason given was oddly put since it seems she thinks she has another path to faerie that doesnt require the selkie skin.
* In Night and Silence [[spoiler: When tobi questions her about the thin blooded she brings up the War with the Merlins as a reason she doesnt dabble in anti-fae charms. this is the first time in all the books marcia ever gets defensive about tobi asking questions. She mentions about the war with the merlins as if she was there but the war with the merlins mustve happened more than 100 years ago. Why would that be mentioned as a huge enough event?]]
* In A Killing Frost [[spoiler: She manages to convince Goldengreens defenses/wards to shunt anyone coming from the coveside enterence to the Eiras original hallway. She mangaged to hide there from simon who was using Eiras blood to fuel his magic spells which should have let him attune to goldengreen enough to track her down. When the Ludawig asked her how she gained access to goldengreens defences her answer was since she was the senechal to goldengreens count she can use that to ask the knowe to help her out but Dean was still alive.]]
* Also [[spoiler: She was somewhat injured with a split lip and brown spots on her skirt when toby and the ludawig found her in that hallway. But, Simon was attacking with transformation and no blood was spilled in the courtyard otherwise toby would have picked it up. She said dean told her to run when simon attacked but would she really abandon her liege and friends to Simons spells? Quintin was certain that no one was left alive in goldengreen and even saw her in the courtyard and he was with Simon for the entire attack. ]]
* [[spoiler: She knew which tree was dean despite toby not being able to recognize them based on that. How did she know which tree dean became? She mustve seen his transformation. ]]
* [[spoiler: So i think she *was* turned into a tree but due to her nature it broke the transformation (which was so strong that even *toby* couldnt see the magic and required one of the firstborn to break). The ludawig also noted that Marcia shouldnt feel guilty about not being able to stop Simon since even *her own mother*(Maeve) couldnt have stopped him and she literally can't lie. ]]

* Tobi [[spoiler: Doesnt know what fae bloodline Marcia is despite smelling her blood up close. We dont even know the elements of her magic and tobi is particularly sensitive to things like that.]]
* Since [[spoiler: Oberon completely sealed himself as human until someone found him it is possible for Oberon to do the same to Titania. It would be a fitting punishment for someone who betrayed faerie (for her and Eiras role in breaking Maeves last ride). Making it so she stayed at the lowest rung of Fae society and only able to regain her fae nature once things are repaired/returned to balance.]]

** Also, it's noted that [[spoiler:Stacy is ''vehemently'' against any of her children dating, and this is uncharacteristic enough to surprise Toby when she hears about it. Is it possible she's trying to hide the fact that there are now five new Firstborn running around in disguise?]]

* "The Fixed Stars" establishes that the merlins have only one magical scent. The Queen is often described with just one magical scent, that of rowan. (This isn't consistent - in the earlier books she also has the scent of damp sand, but that description is dropped as the series goes on.) The Queen has also said she traded away her name a long time ago. What did she trade it for? Maybe a change in the balance of her blood? Removing the human from it, perhaps?

* Also in addition to the above in ''The Unkindest Tide'' gives more support to the theory that Marcia is more than she seems. [[spoiler: Both the ludawig and the Amphitrite note how there is something off about marcia but dont seem to be able to tell what it is. Toby interfered when Amphitrite tried asking marcia directly. ludawig asked her about the fact that she seems like she can resist the sirens call of the selkie hide near the water (toby had issues with containing the desire to put it on and she is mostly fae). It seems like she was unaffected by the crossing to the summerlands as well (toby was almost knocked down when entering the duchy of ships). It doesnt seem like shes marianne since Nolan came to the duchy to find out what happened to Marianne. ]].

* Several people in the books have commented on the Brown kids (Karen and Cassandras especially) weird look. Arden, for example, mentions that she was tought about all races of fae living in the Mists, but she has no idea what Cassandra Brown is. At least two of them have also developed prophetic abilities, dream walking and reading air omens, when seers and prophetic abilities are really, really rare. Now, "ultra rare race of fae that has a tendency to produce seers and prophets" is pretty much a short description of the Roane. I believe one of the earlier books mentioned that merlins can appear completely human, until and unless their magic awakens. Someone in the Browns human ancestry was actually a Roane merlin and for some reason the Roane genes have become prominent in the youngest generation.

[[WMG: Amandine's Mother [[spoiler: was a Janet, of the Ballad of Tam Lin]] ]]

* Several people in the books have commented on the Brown kids (Karen and Cassandras especially) weird look. Arden, for example, mentions that she was tought about all races of fae living in the Mists, but she has no idea what Cassandra Brown is. At least two of them have also developed prophetic abilities, dream walking and reading air omens, when seers and prophetic abilities are really, really rare. Now, "ultra rare race of fae that has a tendency to produce seers and prophets" is pretty much a short description of the Roane. I believe one of the earlier books mentioned that merlins can appear completely human, until and unless their magic awakens. Someone in the Browns human ancestry was actually a Roane merlin and for some reason the Roane genes have become prominent in the youngest generation.

* Several people in the books have commented on the Brown kids (Karen and Cassandras especially) weird look. Arden, for example, mentions that she was tought about all races of fae living in the Mists, but she has no idea what Cassandra Brown is. At least two of them have also developed prophetic abilities, dream walking and reading air omens, when seers and prophetic abilities are really, really rare.
Now, "ultra rare race of fae that has a tendency to produce seers and prophets" is pretty much a short description of the Roane.
I believe one of the earlier books mentioned that merlins can appear completely human, until and unless their magic awakens. Someone in the Browns human ancestry was actually a Roane merlin and for some reason the Roane genes have become prominent in the youngest generation.

Several people in the books have commented on the Brown kids (Kareen and Cassandras especially) weird look. Arden, for example, mentions that she was tought about all races of fae living in the Mists, but she has no idea what Cassandra Brown is. At least two of them have also developed prophetic abilities, dream walking and reading air omens, when seers and prophetic abilities are really, really rare.

* In the beginning Luna was a loving substitute mother figure for Toby while Raysel was driven axe crazy by her biology. Now Luna has been getting more and more jaded and hostile over the last few books while Raysel seemed friendly if somewhat insecure when Toby changed her blood. Once Rayseline awakens from her elf-shot she will join Tobys gaggle of teenagers and ironically turn into a replacement daughter for Gillian while Luna will (driven by her anger at having lost her daughter because of Toby ''again'') end up becoming one of the main antagonists.