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23rd Jun '17 11:59:02 PM DFDelta
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* I will go even further. Marcia is not only Marianne, she is also the latest secret alias of the Coblynau Firstborn. In ''Dreams and Slumbers'' we learn that the Luidaeg knew Marianne and apparently liked her (if her reaction after hearing Mariannes name is anything to go by), the Luidaeg liking somebody is already noteworthy. Marianne also seemed to know more about the Luidaeg then most people do, the Luidaeg seemed surprised that Arden already knew about how she operated and Marianne was the one who told Arden about the Luidaeg. As for Marcia, the way she drops her ditzy behavior when things are really serious seems suspicious. For example when Eira invaded Goldengreen; everyone was busy crapping their pants, Dean was angry, but Marcia was completely calm. At first I thought that to be "things are sooo far beyond panic" fatalism, but what if Marcia really was that calm? Because she knew that if she really had to she could take Eira on? Marcia/Marianne being Firstborn would also explain the apparent change from pureblood to changeling. Toby mentions several times that the Luidaegs human disguise is so good that even when she knows what to look for she can't even see any ''hints'' that an illusion is there. Who says another Firstborn can't weave disguises that are just as good?
17th Jun '17 5:59:00 PM DFDelta
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* Amandine is known as [[spoiler: the daughter of the Great Betrayal, or something similar.]] So what if [[spoiler:Tam Lin]] was actually [[spoiler:Oberon]]?

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* Amandine is known as [[spoiler: the daughter of the Great Betrayal, or something similar.]] So what if [[spoiler:Tam Lin]] was actually [[spoiler:Oberon]]?[[spoiler:Oberon]]?

[[WMG: Raysel and Luna will swap roles after Rayselines blood has been changed.]]
* In the beginning Luna was a loving substitute mother figure for Toby while Raysel was driven axe crazy by her biology. Now Luna has been getting more and more jaded and hostile over the last few books while Raysel seemed friendly if somewhat insecure when Toby changed her blood. Once Rayseline awakens from her elf-shot she will join Tobys gaggle of teenagers and ironically turn into a replacement daughter for Gillian while Luna will (driven by her anger at having lost her daughter because of Toby ''again'') end up becoming one of the main antagonists.
11th May '17 1:52:25 PM FordPrefect
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* [[spoiler: Confirmed in The Winter Long. She faked her death via a combination of Firstborn powers and bribing the nighthaunts.]]

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* [[spoiler: Confirmed in The ''The Winter Long.Long''. She faked her death via a combination of Firstborn powers and bribing the nighthaunts.]]



* [[spoiler: Confirmed in The Winter Long]]

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* [[spoiler: Confirmed in The ''The Winter Long]]Long''.]]



* [[spoiler: Confirmed in The Winter Long]]

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* [[spoiler: Confirmed in The ''The Winter Long]]Long''.]]



* [[spoiler: In The Winter Long she is revealed to be a Firstborn so she counts as an aunt]]

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* [[spoiler: In The ''The Winter Long Long'' she is revealed to be a Firstborn so she counts as an aunt]]aunt.]]



[[WMG: Quentin is a close relative of King Aethlin Sollys and Queen - the fae rulers of all of North and South America. Either a son or maybe a nephew.]]

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[[WMG: Quentin is a close relative of King Aethlin Sollys and his Queen - the fae rulers of all of North and South America. Either a son or maybe a nephew.]]



* [[spoiler: Confirmed as of Chimes at Midnight: Quentin Sollys, Crown Prince]]

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* [[spoiler: Confirmed as of Chimes ''Chimes at Midnight: Midnight'': Quentin Sollys, Crown Prince]]
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* [[spoiler: jossed Eira Rosynhwyr/Evening Winterrose is the culprit.]]

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* [[spoiler: jossed Jossed, Eira Rosynhwyr/Evening Winterrose is the culprit.]]



* [[spoiler: Confirmed in The Winter Long. Toby has a half sister named August. Her father is Simon and her fate after the earthquakes is "unknown but not dead"]]

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* [[spoiler: Confirmed in The ''The Winter Long.Long''. Toby has a half sister named August. Her father is Simon and her fate after the earthquakes is "unknown but not dead"]]dead".]]



** Well, that Josses pretty much everything I've guessed, but it's really satisfying to get an answer. It was driving me up the wall. (I guess the difference in spelling defeated my Google-Fu.) Thanks! Interestingly, the description of her haunting pools still leaves the possibility that the Luidaeg is the Lady of the Lake Toby has been told to beware.
* In Chimes at Midnight it's revealed that her real name is [[spoiler: Antigone of Albany, the first child of Maeve and Oberon. ]]

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** Well, that Josses pretty much everything I've guessed, but it's really satisfying to get an answer. It was driving me up the wall. (I guess the difference in spelling defeated my Google-Fu.) Thanks! Interestingly, the description of her haunting pools still leaves the possibility that the Luidaeg is the Lady of the Lake that Toby has been told to beware.
* In Chimes ''Chimes at Midnight Midnight'' it's revealed that her real name is [[spoiler: Antigone of Albany, the first child of Maeve and Oberon. ]]



** [[spoiler: It's explained in The Winter Long that if parents split up, faerie children have to choose which parent they will follow - most of the faerie races are only said to be descended from one person]]

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** [[spoiler: It's explained in The ''The Winter Long Long'' that if parents split up, faerie children have to choose which parent they will follow - most of the faerie races are only said to be descended from one person]]person.]]



** [[spoiler: Mab and Maeve being the same person has been confirmed [[http://seananmcguire.tumblr.com/post/112513219765/so-seanan-of-course-you-never-have-to-answer by Word of God]] ]]

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** [[spoiler: Mab and Maeve being the same person has been confirmed [[http://seananmcguire.tumblr.com/post/112513219765/so-seanan-of-course-you-never-have-to-answer by Word of God]] God]]. ]]



* In The Winter Long, the Luidaeg tells Toby that [[spoiler: she]] is also known as Viviane. In Arthurian legend Viviane/Nyneve/Nimue learns what she can from Merlin then seals him up in a cave. OK, there's UnfortunateImplications there, but frankly there's incest implications among most of the early generation of faerie if you look too hard. Blind Michael and Acacia are half-siblings after all.
** Jossed in short story 'The Fixed Stars', which features the Luidaeg's [[spoiler: great-grandson, Emrys, better known as Merlin, who is almost completely human. He calls her Nimue, but no UnfortunateImplications, since she's more of an advisor, and not a lover.]] Regarding Acacia and Blind Michael, per WordOfGod, they were not half-siblings: [[http://seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com/633862.html Oberon is not Acacia's father]].

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* In The ''The Winter Long, Long'', the Luidaeg tells Toby that [[spoiler: she]] is also known as Viviane. In Arthurian legend legend, Viviane/Nyneve/Nimue learns what she can from Merlin Merlin, then seals him up in a cave. OK, there's UnfortunateImplications there, but frankly there's incest implications among most of the early generation of faerie if you look too hard. Blind Michael and Acacia are half-siblings half-siblings, after all.
** Jossed in the short story 'The "The Fixed Stars', Stars", which features the Luidaeg's [[spoiler: great-grandson, Emrys, better known as Merlin, who is almost completely human. He calls her Nimue, but no UnfortunateImplications, since she's more of an advisor, and not a lover.]] Regarding Acacia and Blind Michael, per WordOfGod, they were not half-siblings: [[http://seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com/633862.html Oberon is not Acacia's father]].



* Starting in An Artificial Night, the series brings up multiple times how [[spoiler: Maeve's Ride]] was broken as indicated in [[spoiler:that ballad.]]

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* Starting in An ''An Artificial Night, Night'', the series brings up multiple times how [[spoiler: Maeve's Ride]] was broken as indicated in [[spoiler:that ballad.]]
6th Oct '16 5:26:51 PM SPhaedrus
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* Alternatively, it was [[spoiler: Amandine]] that caused the earthquake in 1906 in the first place because [[spoiler: August's disappearance made her so upset she made the world shake.]] In Chimes at Midnight, [[spoiler: Arden]] actually indicates this during the conversation when she learns that [[spoiler: Amandine is Firstborn.]]



* [[spoiler: August]] was last seen heading off with a candle from the Luidaeg, just like Toby did in ''An Artificial Night.'' Even though she didn't seem to turn up in that book (I went back through and reread it looking for blondes, didn't find any), it's a possibility. It does sound like she got herself into some kind of trouble where her parents knew she was alive but were looking for people to make deals with, for some reason. I wonder what would happen if Toby asked the Luidaeg about the situation? Or if the Luidaeg would be able to answer if it interferes with her geas?

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* [[spoiler: August]] was last seen heading off with a candle from the Luidaeg, just like Toby did in ''An Artificial Night.'' Even though she didn't seem to turn up in that book (I went back through and reread it looking for blondes, didn't find any), it's a possibility. It does sound like she got herself into some kind of trouble where her parents knew she was alive but were looking for people to make deals with, for some reason. I wonder what would happen if Toby asked the Luidaeg about the situation? Or if the Luidaeg would be able to answer if it interferes with her geas?geas?

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[[WMG: Amandine's Mother [[spoiler: was a Janet, of the Ballad of Tam Lin]] ]]
* [[spoiler:When Toby finds out she's Dochas Sidhe]], the Luidaeg can't answer who Amandine's mother is, only that the answer is important.
* Starting in An Artificial Night, the series brings up multiple times how [[spoiler: Maeve's Ride]] was broken as indicated in [[spoiler:that ballad.]]
* In Once Broken Faith, Toby gets a blood memory of [[spoiler:the Luidaeg begging her mother, Maeve, not to go on the ride because they are betrayed, it is already broken.]]
* Amandine is known as [[spoiler: the daughter of the Great Betrayal, or something similar.]] So what if [[spoiler:Tam Lin]] was actually [[spoiler:Oberon]]?
5th Aug '16 6:10:48 PM jenfullmoon
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: August]] went missing while searching for Blind Michael.]]
* She was last seen heading off with a candle from the Luidaeg, just like Toby did in ''An Artificial Night.'' Even though she didn't seem to turn up in that book (I went back through and reread it looking for blondes, didn't find any), it's a possibility. It does sound like she got herself into some kind of trouble where her parents knew she was alive but were looking for people to make deals with, for some reason. I wonder what would happen if Toby asked the Luidaeg about the situation? Or if the Luidaeg would be able to answer if it interferes with her geas?

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[[WMG: [[spoiler: August]] Someone else went missing while searching for Blind Michael.]]
* She [[spoiler: August]] was last seen heading off with a candle from the Luidaeg, just like Toby did in ''An Artificial Night.'' Even though she didn't seem to turn up in that book (I went back through and reread it looking for blondes, didn't find any), it's a possibility. It does sound like she got herself into some kind of trouble where her parents knew she was alive but were looking for people to make deals with, for some reason. I wonder what would happen if Toby asked the Luidaeg about the situation? Or if the Luidaeg would be able to answer if it interferes with her geas?
5th Aug '16 6:09:46 PM jenfullmoon
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[[WMG: [[spoiler: August]] went missing while searching for Blind Michael.

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[[WMG: [[spoiler: August]] went missing while searching for Blind Michael.]]
5th Aug '16 6:09:10 PM jenfullmoon
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* Yeah, but how and why would a pureblood (I'm assuming since it's always mentioned if someone ISN'T a pureblood) Coblynau pass herself off as a quarter-blooded changeling? That seems like a stretch, to say the least. My theory is that Marcia has been suborned into being a spy for some bad guy or girl (she doesn't seem happy in certain reactions that have been mentioned) and has to report back on anything she hears, and knows just enough to mentally red flag at Windermeres.



* At one point, Toby sees a picture of Quentin and Dean with their arms around each other, Quentin blushes, and Toby and makes a conscious decision not to ask. Quentin and Raj were very close for a while, after Raj's girlfriend Helen stopped being mentioned. Toby says in ''An Artificial Night'' that Faerie isn't too hung up on sexual orientation, so any of them could be bi- or pansexual.

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* At one point, Toby sees a picture of Quentin and Dean with their arms around each other, Quentin blushes, and Toby and makes a conscious decision not to ask. Quentin and Raj were very close for a while, after Raj's girlfriend Helen stopped being mentioned. Toby says in ''An Artificial Night'' that Faerie isn't too hung up on sexual orientation, so any of them could be bi- or pansexual.pansexual.
* Confirmed in the novelette ''Full of Briars.'' Quentin says that he and Raj could never date due to politics, and he asks Dean out. Raj and Helen are still together as of that novelette, apparently.

[[WMG: There was some giant plot going on during 1906.]]
* The earthquake might not have been planned (though with faerie magic, one might wonder if it could have been), but it sure did cover up the [[spoiler: murder of King Gilad]], at least. Everyone seems to date the period of time when the Kingdom of the Mists went to hell around then. [[spoiler: August]] disappeared around then as well. I just get the feeling that something major went down then besides the earthquake and throne stealing that we haven't figured out yet.

[[WMG: [[spoiler: August]] went missing while searching for Blind Michael.
* She was last seen heading off with a candle from the Luidaeg, just like Toby did in ''An Artificial Night.'' Even though she didn't seem to turn up in that book (I went back through and reread it looking for blondes, didn't find any), it's a possibility. It does sound like she got herself into some kind of trouble where her parents knew she was alive but were looking for people to make deals with, for some reason. I wonder what would happen if Toby asked the Luidaeg about the situation? Or if the Luidaeg would be able to answer if it interferes with her geas?
29th Feb '16 11:30:36 AM miss-minutia
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* ''Chimes at Midnight'' is full of little references to Marcia having been somehow involved with the Windermere family. When Toby first mentions King Gilad, Marcia drops the plate of sandwiches she's holding. When Toby introduces Arden, Marcia goes pale and stares at her. We find out from Arden that their nursemaid was their protector, who helped the kids hide after Gilad and Sebille died. What if that was Marcia, and she has since shifted the balance of her blood (either through a Hope Chest, Amandine, or [[spoiler: August]]) so that she looks more human and Arden doesn't recognize her? Also, do we ever find out exactly what Marcia is a quarter-blood of? Marianne was apparently a Coblynau, which are one of the few races that can put permanent spells into objects. Even if Marcia doesn't turn out to be Marianne, something is definitely up with her and the Windermeres.

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* ''Chimes at Midnight'' is full of little references to Marcia having been somehow involved with the Windermere family. When Toby first mentions King Gilad, Marcia drops the plate of sandwiches she's holding. When Toby introduces Arden, Marcia goes pale and stares at her. We find out from Arden that their nursemaid was their protector, who helped the kids hide after Gilad and Sebille died. What if that was Marcia, and she has since shifted the balance of her blood (either through a Hope Chest, Amandine, or [[spoiler: August]]) so that she looks more human and Arden doesn't recognize her? Also, do we ever find out exactly what Marcia is a quarter-blood of? Marianne was apparently a Coblynau, which are one of the few races that can put permanent spells into objects. Even if Marcia doesn't turn out to be Marianne, something is definitely up with her and the Windermeres.Windermeres.

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[[WMG: Quentin is romantically involved with Dean and may have been with Raj at some point.]]
* At one point, Toby sees a picture of Quentin and Dean with their arms around each other, Quentin blushes, and Toby and makes a conscious decision not to ask. Quentin and Raj were very close for a while, after Raj's girlfriend Helen stopped being mentioned. Toby says in ''An Artificial Night'' that Faerie isn't too hung up on sexual orientation, so any of them could be bi- or pansexual.
4th Jan '16 1:35:17 PM hollygoolightly
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** Jossed in short story 'The Fixed Stars', which features the Luidaeg's [[spoiler: great-grandson, Emrys, better known as Merlin, who is almost completely human. He calls her Nimue, but no UnfortunateImplications, since she's more of an advisor, and not a lover.]] Regarding Acacia and Blind Michael, per WordOfGod, they were not half-siblings: Oberon is not Acacia's father.

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** Jossed in short story 'The Fixed Stars', which features the Luidaeg's [[spoiler: great-grandson, Emrys, better known as Merlin, who is almost completely human. He calls her Nimue, but no UnfortunateImplications, since she's more of an advisor, and not a lover.]] Regarding Acacia and Blind Michael, per WordOfGod, they were not half-siblings: [[http://seanan-mcguire.livejournal.com/633862.html Oberon is not Acacia's father.
father]].
4th Jan '16 1:29:18 PM hollygoolightly
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** Jossed in short story 'The Fixed Stars', which features the Luidaeg's [[spoiler: great-grandson, Emrys, better known as Merlin, who is almost completely human. He calls her Nimue, but no UnfortunateImplications, since she's more of an advisor, and not a lover.]] Regarding Acacia and Blind Michael, per WordOfGod, they were not half-siblings: Oberon is not Acacia's father.
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