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21st Mar '16 9:09:47 PM Johnny2071
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This is why you can easily become real-world comatose if you fall in the thing without something to rescue you at the last second. Nothing will drag you up. Night Overs still occur during Bellbridge and Twin Seeds because the Ideya of Courage is willing to substitute and drag you out if you fail.

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This is why you can easily become real-world comatose if you fall in the thing without something to rescue you at the last second. Nothing will drag you up. Night Overs still occur during Bellbridge and Twin Seeds because the Ideya of Courage is willing to substitute and drag you out if you fail.fail.

[[WMG: Both Twin Seeds and Bellbridge are set in the same universe as [[SonicAdventure Station Square]].]]
11th Dec '14 2:50:26 PM Taxima
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** This third Troper is impressed too. Putting it another way, he-NiGHTS is the Superego, and she-NiGHTS is the Id, and by coming together the Ego is created. It's impressive stuff.

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** This third Troper is impressed too. Putting it another way, he-NiGHTS is [[TheSpock the Superego, Superego]], and she-NiGHTS is [[TheMcCoy the Id, Id]], and by coming together [[TheKirk the Ego is created.created]]. It's impressive stuff.
29th Aug '14 1:18:49 PM Taxima
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** This third Troper is impressed too. Putting it another way, he-NiGHTS is the Superego, and she-NiGHTS is the Id, and by coming together the Ego is created. It's impressive stuff.
19th Jul '14 8:00:44 AM nedben
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* In dreams, Ideya holds a great deal of power, and Wizeman's goal has always been stealing the Ideya of Visitors. Wearing the Ideya grants Wizeman his godlike strength. It serves as NightmareFuel as well considering how much ''more'' jewelry he has in ''Journey of Dreams'' compared to ''into Dreams''

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* In dreams, Ideya holds a great deal of power, and Wizeman's goal has always been stealing the Ideya of Visitors. Wearing the Ideya grants Wizeman his godlike strength. It serves as NightmareFuel as well considering how much ''more'' jewelry he has in ''Journey of Dreams'' compared to ''into Dreams''Dreams''

[[WMG: Awakers do not spawn in the Black Sea.]]
This is why you can easily become real-world comatose if you fall in the thing without something to rescue you at the last second. Nothing will drag you up. Night Overs still occur during Bellbridge and Twin Seeds because the Ideya of Courage is willing to substitute and drag you out if you fail.
17th Feb '13 11:05:10 AM Taxima
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** May this Troper just say that's absolutely brilliant?



[=NiGHTS=] doesn't seem to have wrists or a neck, and just look at Jackle.

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[=NiGHTS=] doesn't seem to have wrists or a neck, and just look at Jackle.Jackle.

[[WMG: The jewels Wizeman wears are stolen Ideya]]
* In dreams, Ideya holds a great deal of power, and Wizeman's goal has always been stealing the Ideya of Visitors. Wearing the Ideya grants Wizeman his godlike strength. It serves as NightmareFuel as well considering how much ''more'' jewelry he has in ''Journey of Dreams'' compared to ''into Dreams''
30th Jun '12 10:02:46 AM nedben
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*I think he DID fall into the Black Sea. Dualization with a Nightmaren extends the time limit before Awaker-ghost-thingies, giant alarm clocks, and Night Over screens will force you to wake up. Falling into the Black Sea gives you an endless nightmare and a coma. Connect the dots.

[[WMG: Nights survived Wizeman's destruction/defeat/death/indeterminant-hibernation-dreamless-sleep, as did a couple other Nightmarens, due to having part of an Ideya.]]
* Interestingly, the red jewel on NiGHTS chest is supposed to be part of a Red Ideya that attached there. Building upon the above WMG, that may be WIZEMAN'S Red Ideya.
* Also, Nights helped at least 4 people find Ideya, judging by what Nights is, perhaps Dualization temporarily shared those Ideya with him?
31st Mar '12 7:36:11 PM Luigifan
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So he goes on, creating more and more Nightmarens and becoming the God of Nightmare. For years he has been trying to get a Red Ideya, but has failed so often--so very, very often--that over time he has completely forgotten what he had initially set out for. He loses himself, going crazy to try and get at his Red Ideya, that he leaves his waken life completely, even forgetting that he is a Visitor. This causes problems for his 'Real Life' body, which is still asleep. While the Wizeman of the Night Dimension goes on a reign of terror and malice, in a desperate attempt to finally get his blasted Ideya, the Wizeman of the Real World is still a child, doodling designs for Nightmaren and the faces of other Visitors, but only as a subconscious reflex. In fact, Wizeman has become convinced that getting a Red Ideya will wake him, forgetting that it is of his own free will that he awakens.

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So he goes on, creating more and more Nightmarens and becoming the God of Nightmare. For years he has been trying to get a Red Ideya, but has failed so often--so often -- so very, very often--that often -- that over time he has completely forgotten what he had initially set out for. He loses himself, going crazy to try and get at his Red Ideya, that he leaves his waken life completely, even forgetting that he is a Visitor. This causes problems for his 'Real Life' body, which is still asleep. While the Wizeman of the Night Dimension goes on a reign of terror and malice, in a desperate attempt to finally get his blasted Ideya, the Wizeman of the Real World is still a child, doodling designs for Nightmaren and the faces of other Visitors, but only as a subconscious reflex. In fact, Wizeman has become convinced that getting a Red Ideya will wake him, forgetting that it is of his own free will that he awakens.



At the end of ''Journey of Dreams'', when [[spoiler:Helen plays [=NiGHTS=] song]], she nods and has a nostalgic smile on her face. When she was younger she managed to get through the Dream Gate without losing her Ideya, and met [=NiGHTS=], who helped her overcome her fears the same way s/he helped the protagonists. That's precisely ''why'' she has such a look on her face: not only is she proud of her daughter, but she [[spoiler:''recognizes'' the song]] and has instantly figured out what happened.

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At the end of ''Journey of Dreams'', when [[spoiler:Helen plays [=NiGHTS=] [=NiGHTS=]'s song]], she nods and has a nostalgic smile on her face. When she was younger younger, she managed to get through the Dream Gate without losing her Ideya, and met [=NiGHTS=], who helped her overcome her fears the same way s/he helped the protagonists. That's precisely ''why'' she has such a look on her face: not only is she proud of her daughter, but she [[spoiler:''recognizes'' the song]] and has instantly figured out what happened.



The creator of [=NiGHTS=] was once quoted as his inspiration for [=NiGHTS=] coming to him in a dream. The series is, of course, about children going into their dreams and conquering their fears and nightmares. Notice how the goals for each human character outside the dream world are completely realistic goals for children to have; boy wants to defeat rival basketball team, girl wants to overcome stage fright to audition for a singing role, girl wants to balance time with mother and time with friends, boy wants his dad around more in order to boost his self-confidence. Nothing fantastic, nothing magical. Just normal kids who all happen to have access to a unified dream dimension where a certain jester-like humanoid creature lives. If these kids can go there...why can't anyone? Anyone including, say, a grown man who works for a videogame designing company?

The meat of my theory is this: [=NiGHTS=] met the game's creator in a dream. They became close friends within the dreamscape, and [=NiGHTS=] begins to tell the man stories of other dreamers s/he has met. The man, after listening to these stories, decides basing a new game off these stories is easier than being original, and so begins creation and production of Nights Into Dreams. Sadly, [=NiGHTS=]' visits with him soon become rarer until s/he stops appearing altogether...until eleven years have passed, when [=NiGHTS=] finally returns with new stories to tell.

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The creator of [=NiGHTS=] was once quoted as his inspiration for [=NiGHTS=] coming to him in a dream. The series is, of course, about children going into their dreams and conquering their fears and nightmares. Notice how the goals for each human character outside the dream world are completely realistic goals for children to have; boy wants to defeat rival basketball team, girl wants to overcome stage fright to audition for a singing role, girl wants to balance time with mother and time with friends, boy wants his dad around more in order to boost his self-confidence. Nothing fantastic, nothing magical. Just normal kids who all happen to have access to a unified dream dimension where a certain jester-like humanoid creature lives. If these kids can go there... why can't anyone? Anyone including, say, a grown man who works for a videogame designing company?

The meat of my theory is this: [=NiGHTS=] met the game's creator in a dream. They became close friends within the dreamscape, and [=NiGHTS=] begins to tell the man stories of other dreamers s/he has met. The man, after listening to these stories, decides basing a new game off these stories is easier than being original, and so begins creation and production of Nights Into Dreams. Sadly, [=NiGHTS=]' visits with him soon become rarer until s/he stops appearing altogether... until eleven years have passed, when [=NiGHTS=] finally returns with new stories to tell.



[[WMG: Journey of Dreams is actually a prequel to NiD.]]
[[WMG: NiGHTS has two separate personalities, one male and one female.]]
NiGHTS is androgynous by Word of God, yes? This is because se’s both male and female. The Visitor meets the personality that he or she would more comfortable with. This is evident because NiGHTS acts very differently in each dream in Journey of Dreams, and also because either NiGHTS doesn’t seem to know about the other Visitor’s existence until both children rescue hir in the clock tower. By that point, NiGHTS’s personalities had again merged into one.
* He-NiGHTS is the personality that Will meets. He is the calmer, considerate, tougher half.

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[[WMG: Journey of Dreams is actually a prequel to NiD.[=NiD=].]]

[[WMG: [=NiGHTS=] has two separate personalities, one male and one female.
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[[WMG: NiGHTS has two separate personalities, one male and one female.]]
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[=NiGHTS=] is androgynous by Word of God, yes? This is because se’s xe’s both male and female. The Visitor meets the personality that he or she would feel more comfortable with. This is evident because NiGHTS [=NiGHTS=] acts very differently in each dream in Journey of Dreams, and also because either NiGHTS [=NiGHTS=] doesn’t seem to know about the other Visitor’s existence until both children rescue hir in the clock tower. By that point, NiGHTS’s [=NiGHTS=]’s personalities had again merged into one.
* He-NiGHTS He-[=NiGHTS=] is the personality that Will meets. He is the calmer, considerate, tougher half.



** When he talks to Reala, he does so calmly, not giving Reala all of the attention that he wants. While he does challenge Reala to a fight, he does so in the same, calm tone of voice that he always uses towards his brother, and when it appears that Reala is injured he tries to help him.
** Reala knows that he-NiGHTS values Will’s safety most, and gets him to surrender in the desert by taking Will prisoner first and threatening the boy’s life.
* She-NiGHTS is the personality that Helen meets. She is the hyper, abrasive, more emotional half.

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** When he talks to Reala, he does so calmly, not giving Reala all of the attention that he wants. While he does challenge Reala to a fight, he does so in the same, same calm tone of voice that he always uses towards his brother, and when it appears that Reala is injured injured, he tries to help him.
** Reala knows that he-NiGHTS he-[=NiGHTS=] values Will’s safety most, and gets him to surrender in the desert by taking Will prisoner first and threatening the boy’s life.
* She-NiGHTS She-[=NiGHTS=] is the personality that Helen meets. She is the hyper, abrasive, more emotional half.



** She basically dive-bombs into the game, showing her more wild tendencies from the start. She-NiGHTS is very gung-ho, readily throwing herself and Helen into dangerous situations without much preamble and vehemently denying her being afraid of anything.

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** She basically dive-bombs into the game, showing her more wild tendencies from the start. She-NiGHTS She-[=NiGHTS=] is very gung-ho, readily throwing herself and Helen into dangerous situations without much preamble and vehemently denying her being afraid of anything.



** Her being a Nightmaren appears to weigh heavily on her mind. In an early scene, she enters wearing her persona, but quickly throws it away and changes the subject when Helen asks about it. When Reala tells Helen that NiGHTS is a Nightmaren, NiGHTS freezes up, unable to deny it, and spends the rest of the scene standing there uselessly.
** She-NiGHTS’s relation with Reala seems to be a bit complicated. In his first appearance, Reala shoves her against the door and strangles her, probably because he doesn’t want to give her the chance to attack him, which knowing the rest of her personality she would quickly do. However, she may have met with Reala off-screen, since she enters one cutscene wearing her persona. When Reala shows up in the Forest of Memories, she-NiGHTS hesitates, is easily put down by his persuasion of Helen, and apparently gives up without much of a fight after Helen is sent out of her dream world.
** Reala knows that she-NiGHTS values Helen’s trust and friendship most, and disables her by telling Helen that NiGHTS is a Nightmaren. Helen’s reaction at being “betrayed” was enough to make she-NiGHTS lose her desire to fight back.
* NiGHTS hirself is only really there when the two personalities are combined. Se is more mature than either half, [[spoiler:calmly accepting hir “death” at the end of the game]]. Se has he-NiGHTS’s calmness, she-NiGHTS’s fearlessness, and exhibits the caring for her friends that both halves show.

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** Her being a Nightmaren appears to weigh heavily on her mind. In an early scene, she enters wearing her persona, but quickly throws it away and changes the subject when Helen asks about it. When Reala tells Helen that NiGHTS [=NiGHTS=] is a Nightmaren, NiGHTS [=NiGHTS=] freezes up, unable to deny it, and spends the rest of the scene standing there uselessly.
** She-NiGHTS’s She-[=NiGHTS=]’s relation with Reala seems to be a bit complicated. In his first appearance, Reala shoves her against the door and strangles her, probably because he doesn’t want to give her the chance to attack him, which which, knowing the rest of her personality personality, she would quickly do. However, she may have met with Reala off-screen, since she enters one cutscene wearing her persona. When Reala shows up in the Forest of Memories, she-NiGHTS she-[=NiGHTS=] hesitates, is easily put down by his persuasion of Helen, and apparently gives up without much of a fight after Helen is sent out of her dream world.
** Reala knows that she-NiGHTS she-[=NiGHTS=] values Helen’s trust and friendship most, and disables her by telling Helen that NiGHTS [=NiGHTS=] is a Nightmaren. Helen’s reaction at being “betrayed” was enough to make she-NiGHTS she-[=NiGHTS=] lose her desire to fight back.
* NiGHTS [=NiGHTS=] hirself is only really there when the two personalities are combined. Se Xe is more mature than either half, [[spoiler:calmly accepting hir “death” at the end of the game]]. Se Xe has he-NiGHTS’s he-[=NiGHTS=]’s calmness, she-NiGHTS’s she-[=NiGHTS=]’s fearlessness, and exhibits the caring for her hir friends that both halves show.



Nights doesn't seem to have wrists or a neck, and just look at Jackle.

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Nights [=NiGHTS=] doesn't seem to have wrists or a neck, and just look at Jackle.
31st Jan '12 11:11:17 AM shygirl
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[[WMG: Nightmarens' entire bodies are invisible except for their heads.

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[[WMG: Nightmarens' entire bodies are invisible except for their heads.]]
31st Jan '12 11:11:05 AM shygirl
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[[WMG: Nightmarens' entire bodies are invisible except for their heads.
Nights doesn't seem to have wrists or a neck, and just look at Jackle.
10th Jan '12 10:02:13 PM katzsoa
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** She is a bit more self-centered, openly mocking Helen’s fearfulness and only agreeing to go along with Helen’s wishes when it is obvious that the girl is truly upset

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** She is a bit more self-centered, openly mocking Helen’s fearfulness fearfulness, leaving her alone in a forest that she'd just said a moment ago was dangerous, and only agreeing being reluctant to go along help Helen with Helen’s wishes when it is her dream until it's obvious that the girl is truly upsetupset.
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